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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:26 PM Jul 2014

4 Israeli Soldiers Hurt In Ground Attack On Gaza Rocket Site

Source: Associated Press

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Ignoring international appeals for a cease-fire, Israel widened its range of Gaza bombing targets to civilian institutions with suspected Hamas ties and deployed ground troops inside Gaza for the first time early Sunday to raid a rocket launching site in the Palestinian territory. More than 156 Palestinians have been killed in five days of bombardment.

Four Israeli soldiers were hurt in clashes during the brief incursion to destroy a rocket launching site in northern Gaza, the military said. It said they have returned to Israeli territory.

It was the first time that Israeli ground troops are known to have entered Gaza in the current offensive. But the operation was carried out by special forces and did not appear to be the beginning of a broad ground offensive.

On Saturday, Israel announced it would hit northern Gaza “with great force” to prevent rocket attacks from there on Israel.

Read more: http://nypost.com/2014/07/12/4-israeli-soldiers-hurt-in-ground-attack-on-gaza-rocket-site/

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4 Israeli Soldiers Hurt In Ground Attack On Gaza Rocket Site (Original Post) Purveyor Jul 2014 OP
the abyss jonjensen Jul 2014 #1
4 Israelis hurt is about like 400 Palestinians killed, right? DLnyc Jul 2014 #2
Reminds me of that old joke, only in reality anti partisan Jul 2014 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #4
Are we watching just another horror show produced by the Israeli government . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #5
Neither hack89 Jul 2014 #6
I disagree . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #7
There will be changes no doubt. hack89 Jul 2014 #8
In the very short term, perhaps . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #9
And in the long term too hack89 Jul 2014 #10
There are quite a few they could "discuss peace with" now . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #11
Not Hamas hack89 Jul 2014 #12
Has Israel ever even tried to talk to Hamas? another_liberal Jul 2014 #14
Can you show Hamas making a peace offering to Israel? hack89 Jul 2014 #15
They offered to renew a mutual ceasefire within the last two days . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #16
A short term ceasefire does no one any good in the long term hack89 Jul 2014 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #13
 

jonjensen

(168 posts)
1. the abyss
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 12:20 AM
Jul 2014

When you look into the abyss the abyss looks into you! nietzsche. Netanayhu doesn't think about the future only himself and abbas is very weak. The future will sort itself out. Too bad too sad.

DLnyc

(2,479 posts)
2. 4 Israelis hurt is about like 400 Palestinians killed, right?
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 12:53 AM
Jul 2014

The news coverage seems to equate 100 Palestinian deaths to 1 Israeli injured. A sick and twisted calculus.

anti partisan

(429 posts)
3. Reminds me of that old joke, only in reality
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 01:07 AM
Jul 2014

You're supposed to tell someone that the Nazis killed 6 million Jews and 1 clown. The other person is supposed to ask about the clown, in which case you're supposed to call them heartless Jew-haters cause they care more about the one clown than the 6 million. When in reality the reason they may ask about the clown is because they already have heard of the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, and so they are more interested in the part that they haven't heard about simply because it seems unusual, and out of the typical narrative.

That is exactly the deal with Palestinians, who our culture has accepted as being in the "likely to die" category, so even when they are reported on, we've already heard this story before, and there's the Islamophobic element to it as well - they are Muslims, certainly they deserve it! I do feel the deaths of innocent Israelis are indeed very tragic, but they should not be put on a higher pedestal than the hundreds of lives lost by completely innocent Palestinians.

This same effect even happened with US soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. They die so often that we can't preoccupy ourselves with their plight, but when a US Ambassdor gets killed, the same people that think we should stay in Iraq for 100 years are screaming at the top of their lungs about Benghazi.

And the sick and twisted irony of it all is a lot of these people that put so extremely little disregard on human life in these tragic cases are often fighting most vigorously for what they call the "pro-life" cause.

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another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
5. Are we watching just another horror show produced by the Israeli government . . .
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:39 AM
Jul 2014

Or are we seeing what will one day be recognized as the beginning of the end of the modern State of Israel?

Netanyahu's government is telling the rest of the World (including the UNSC) to go screw itself, because Israel is above international law. That attitude is an insult to every person who cares about justice and the principle of human rights.

Just how long does Israel think she can continue to exist without international support and aid?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
6. Neither
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:00 AM
Jul 2014

Last edited Sun Jul 13, 2014, 03:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Everytime the rockets start flying in Gaza the hyperbole also starts flying. When events in Syria and Iraq are literally reshaping the Middle East, the notion that this is somehow a watershed event is nonsense. Now the destruction of Iranian influence in the area would be a watershed event because it would severely undermine the power of both Hamas and Hezbollah. With any luck it will lead to their demise. Now that would be a positive game changer.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
7. I disagree . . .
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 03:01 PM
Jul 2014

Enormous changes are currently happening all over the Middle East region. Are you really that confident change won't come to Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories as well?

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
9. In the very short term, perhaps . . .
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jul 2014

But at what a price!

Think of the fate which could befall so many ordinary Israelis if the balance of military might shifts (as it always does).

Much better would be that they come to their senses and start to act in ways to save what they can of their country's international good will. That precious commodity, along with hard, determined work, is what built modern Israel, not brutal, self-defeating military aggression.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
10. And in the long term too
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 03:40 PM
Jul 2014

Imagine Hamas and Hezbollah out of the picture and less radical Arab voices allowed to speak. Israel might actually have someone to discuss peace with.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
11. There are quite a few they could "discuss peace with" now . . .
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jul 2014

The Israeli government just can't demand surrender as a precondition.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
14. Has Israel ever even tried to talk to Hamas?
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 03:57 PM
Jul 2014

They didn't do so even after Hamas won fair, democratic elections to head the government of Gaza and the West Bank, in 2006. Israel's reaction to the Palestinian peoples' choice for a representative government was to lock up every Hamas member they could find, and install a more pliant and cooperative leader for the Palestinian Authority.

A different attitude might be required on Israel's part.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. Can you show Hamas making a peace offering to Israel?
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 04:25 PM
Jul 2014

They have never retracted their claim that all of Israel = Palestine. And why are you glossing over their violent coup in 2007? Who actually represents the Palestinians? Hamas or the PA? If Hamas and the PA can't agree with each other then just who are the Israelies supposed to talk to?

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
16. They offered to renew a mutual ceasefire within the last two days . . .
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jul 2014

I haven't heard that the Israeli government has accepted.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. A short term ceasefire does no one any good in the long term
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 04:52 PM
Jul 2014

That is merely tactical maneuvering to survive or gain strength. They have never committed to peaceful coexistence alongside a Jewish state. Never.

Response to another_liberal (Reply #5)

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