Concerns growing about militia members at Bundy ranch

[951-Riverside]

Source: CBS - Las Vegas

LAS VEGAS -- Concerns are growing about members of the militia surrounding rancher Cliven Bundy.

Democratic Rep. Steven Horsford, sent a letter to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie about the safety of residents in the Bunkerville area. Horsford says his constituents have "expressed concern" over the presence of armed militia groups from out of state.

According to Horsford, his constituents say the militia have set up checkpoints where residents must prove they live in the area before they are allowed to pass and have set up a "persistent presence" along federal highways, and state and county roads. They also claim some have established an armed presence in the community.

Horsford told the sheriff that the militia are making people feel unsafe.

Armed people from across the country arrived in Bunkerville weeks ago to support Bundy in his fight with the Bureau of Land Management over cattle the agency says are illegally grazing on federally managed lands.

Horsford's concerns come at the same time the U.S. Capitol Police confirmed they are looking into threatening statements made against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

Read more: http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25371465/concerns-growing-about-militia-members-at-bundy-ranch

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[Kingofalldems]

1. Gun worshipers.

[JohnnyRingo]

65. I know a few gun worshippers...

... and most of them don't have sick delusions about secession or taking over the govt. They just collect firearms and enjoy shooting. I'm not covering for them, but It's all about the gun and going to work to buy more guns to them.

These guys in Nevada see their guns as functional tools for their absurd and unreasoned goal of sovereignty. While a gun nut might accidentally shoot you, these people might accidentally miss. It's all about intent, and this is the worst.

Just sayin' that calling these people "gun worshippers" is like calling them "men". It's absolutely true, but it has nothing to do with what they're up to.

[Scuba]

123. "Small Penis Brigade".

[JohnnyRingo]

141. That's a sexist comment used by those who have no interest in something.

I hear it often from people who are happy driving a Saturn to someone else who buys a Dodge Viper. Those who don't like guns love to use the barb as an excuse why someone would buy a Colt Viper. Either way, there are myriad reasons why people buy things that others don't care much for.

What that blanket generalization ignores, is that often people are just interested in performance, aesthetics, or financial investment. A bright red 1956 Ferrari 250 GTO isn't just a statement of the sexual id, it's viewed by many a vintage work of automotive art. Not many enthusiasts a Honda Hayabusa because they got shunned in the bedroom, and few buy a hundred year old Smith & Wesson because of sexual shortcomings.

Sometimes it's an investment, appreciation of the design, or maybe even as a deathwish, but I don't believe everything revolves around the male sexual ego. I wouldn't dream of telling a woman that the number of shoes she owns is equates to her inability to sate a sexual partner, but a sexist might.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes it's just about the aromatic enjoyment. I don't like cigars, but I wouldn't assume others do only because they have a tiny dick.

In this case, I'm sure those men are gun nuts, but they see their guns as tools for anti govt action. They aren't typical of most gun owners, just as not every Lamborghini owner isn't a divorced orthodontist trying to recapture his glory days.

[Scuba]

153. I agree; it's not the ownership of the gun, it's the shoot-out fantasy these guys are having.

[JohnnyRingo]

168. I wish it was a fantasy world they live in.

World of Warcraft is a fantasy, this is more serious.

Unfortunately, these kooks seriously believe they're needed by the rest of us to salvage our freedom. Much like every armed political activist since JW Booth, they think the public will hoist them upon our collective shoulders and parade through the streets after they emerge victorious.

Many more are waiting at home, hopeful that some of them will be martyred for the cause. As much a spectacle as this is, a paramilitary honor guard at the national funeral will be much bigger as groups like the Hutaree join in. Instigators like Hannity will declare that "their only crime was loving their country too much". "Gun nut" doesn't begin to define these people and their woeful ambition.

I believe that's why the Feds stood down. This has the potential to become the nucleus of a very real armed movement in the US. It's a monsterous byproduct created by over 200 years of poorly regulated freedom.

I'm not trying to be overcritical of you, but this stuff makes me nervous, and I don't have a solution that puts the Genie back in the bottle. If another democratic president takes the oath in 2016, and I hope that one does, it may be the bloodiest first term since Lincoln. Thanx Fox News.

[Maraya1969]

113. I usually don't post links to my own posts but here I think it is appropriate. Let those asses

know what they are really up against and they'll run right home to Mommy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024872081

[heaven05]

2. seditious terrorists

idiots with a cause, very dangerous. very dangerous.

[Bigmack]

3. I don't want violence...

.. but I am curious about whether or not the Federal government can enforce Federal laws.

I'm curious about whether groups of armed men can control public land and highways.

I'm curious about whether groups of armed men can threaten Senators.

These assholes will probably just lose interest and go away, but what's to keep them from doing it again?

Just sayin'....

[Kelvin Mace]

6. Violence is inevitable

The rhetoric on the right has been escalating for years. They are painting themselves into a corner where violence will be the only way out.

[mikekohr]

23. It'll be well over a hundred in a few months, they'll wilt like pansies on a hot griddle.

While this standoff will probably peter out, sooner or later there will be blood. These kinds of things always end badly.
Inspite of the most ardent attempts to avoid violence on behalf of the Feds something, someone, from either side, will ignite a firefight.
As President John F. Kennedy said, "There's always some son of a bitch that never gets the message."

[Warpy]

43. I think the hope now is that they get drunk and start shooting each other

In the meantime, they're just adding to the charges against Freeloader Bundy by being his personal army, raised to challenge the the US of A.

Every one of those traitors belongs in a cell in Gitmo. Since Obama was forced by a GOP Congress to keep the place open, we might as well put it to appropriate use.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

101. If only the world worked like that. You know, fairly. Unfortunately, in real life

justice is seldom served. And these bastards will by martyrs if the Feds hurt one little hair on their seditious little heads.

[Warpy]

103. Let's hope Mrs. Bundy gets sick of cooking for the whole shebang

and Mr. Bundy gets sick of the garbage around their accommodations and they both get sick of the lines at the bathroom.

Having the Feds pick them off one at a time with no fanfare would be ideal.

[RobinA]

104. Yep

Ya got that right. The government can't win in these things.

[Sunlei]

98. you're not kidding it gets hot out there in Americas remote Nevada desert public lands.

If Bundys' friends/family want to continue to guard his driveway dirt road, they better get some shade built or those guns will get to hot to touch.

[hopemountain]

155. no doubt water availability

along with a shortage of beef and bacon will become issues.

although, there are those who thrive on desperation.

[LiberalLoner]

95. +1

[calimary]

119. Sometimes I wonder...

whether folks like these are WANTING this. The whole idiotic, misguided "go out in a blaze of glory" thing. And. They. Are. IDIOTS!

Must have watched way too many Steven Seagal and Rambo movies. Or something. Blaze of glory, yeah, suuuuuuure. Some sort of twisted purported fantasy "martyrdom," I suspect is what it boils down to. Makes me wonder what their versions of those fanciful "78 virgins in heaven" would be.

Domestic terrorists. That pretty well sums it up. A completely and thoroughly accurate label, seems to me. The only difference is the language spoken, and the style of dress. Otherwise, very little difference between shouting "Allah akbar" and "freedom-freedom!"

However, I haven't yet heard of any Islamic version of "get yer gummnt hands off mah Medicare!"

[Saviolo]

142. It'll be the next...

Ruby Ridge or Waco if things progress as they seem to be. One of those loons will accidentally (or intentionally) pop off at a federal agent or a civilian, blood will be shed, and the national guard will rain down teargas before they can say "RKBA."

They're on the wrong side of the law and the wrong side of history. They're bringing it all down upon themselves.

[freshwest]

42. They will do it again. n/t

[Maraya1969]

115. Yea they can. It's called Predator Drones.

[The Stranger]

127. Why are you "curious" about what are unquestionably crimes and violations of criminal statutes?

Of course the federal government can and should enforce the law.

No one -- but no one -- is above the law.

[glinda]

134. Jail. If they can arrest peaceful protestors they can arrest these people. They are just lazy and

fearful.

[Ash_F]

146. It is not just that.

Last edited Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:16 PM - Edit history (3)

For the Feds, this is like going after their own. They would be hungry to break out their own guns out if these were minorities.

Yes, we have a Black President because the demographics of the country are changing, but there is going to be decades of lag before that shift cascades through the entire bureaucracy.

This conflict is about the balance of power in the country among ethnic groups. 'Sovereignty' is just a euphemism.

What you see here is White racists lashing out as they feel their power slipping away, trying to assert themselves. Since they are currently getting away with it, it looks like they are asserting themselves quite well.

[Ash_F]

145. They can if they are white. /nt

[jmowreader]

4. Hang on for a second here...

People who want to pass have to prove they live in the area, to people who don't? VERY few of Bundy's militia supporters are from that part of Nevada; they've come from Idaho and other out-of-area places.

[Ruby the Liberal]

10. Thats what stood out to me too

Who gave them the right to blockade streets and demand proof of citizenship?

They need to be taken down a peg or two before some kid gets shot by some yahoo waving a loaded weapon around.

[blaze]

14. Wonder how they would respond

if people set up similar blockades around their own homes...

[Ruby the Liberal]

29. With their stand-yer-ground sekond amendment rights

They would be impeded by 'foreigners' afterall...

[951-Riverside]

37. Ironically they cannot stand checkpoints of any type even at airports and borders

Yet they subject citizens to ILLEGAL checkpoints on public roads and the dopey sheriff, the inept FBI, the clowns at the Nevada Highway Patrol and the bozos at Homeland security allows this.

Oh and what happens if you don't live in the area and don't feel like explaining to Mr Beer Gut that it's none of his damn business to check who you are on public land?

The Nevada Highway Patrol actually shut down a major highway and helped these bozos go after the BLM a few weeks ago.

[Ruby the Liberal]

38. That would be the g'ubmit

They are the well regulated unregulated militia that the founding fathers (insert cherubic choir) referenced...

[Bartlet]

76. Pretty sure

These guys aren't militia the founders were contemplating considering considering one of the founders, Washington, had to put down a rebellion from just such a group of "militia".

[Ikonoklast]

162. They also hated paying taxes imposed by a federal government.

And considered themselves "true patriots".


States Rights, yanno.


Same shit for three hundred years now.

[freshwest]

53. Can you link that so I can read the full story on the NHP shutting the highway down? TIA.

[VanillaRhapsody]

39. What I find astonishing is.....the people who claim govt is too intrusive....

have "intruded" THEMSELVES into the people of this towns lives.....of course they are born without an irony meter...so there is that!

[Thinkingabout]

51. I agree, too much over reach by the anti-guberment bunch, they are setting up check

points and Bundy grazes his cattle on public lands, guess who the real intruder is.

[VanillaRhapsody]

92. Yeah you cannot write this stuff......

they are in the midst of setting up a Police State....yet they have no self-awareness of it at all!

[underpants]

128. That was my question too

You can't just drive down a state road

[Bjorn Against]

5. So now gun nuts think they can set up armed checkpoints

These thugs say they are protecting freedom, but armed checkpoints are not things you see in a free country they are things you see in a fascist country. It is appalling that these nuts are being allowed to threaten the community like this.

[AAO]

36. If you refused to stop would they shoot ya? We're bound to find out.

[2naSalit]

79. Let's see...

Things I've from the mouths of their ilk,

"Freedum is somethin' worth fightin' for (ergo) it ain't freedum if you didn't haf ta fight."

And the ubiquitous...

"Ever heard of SSS?"

These guys see all disagreement as a fight to the death... and of course they are always right and somebody has to pay for disagreeing with their life or at least their future physical well-being.

just sayin'... besides -

This is unquestionably an armed insurrection that needs some attention (which I'm sure it's getting, just not on the evening nooz).

Seems like they've pulled off just about enough rope o hang themselves... one of 'em will kick the chair out soon.

[kentauros]

124. Borrow a tanker of low-level medical waste,

preferably the bio-hazardous kind (radioactive would work, too.) I doubt they'd shoot at that! Just be sure to wear a bright yellow Dev-O suit as well as a respirator

If they ask you to turn around because they don't want it going through their "territory" make sure you get it stuck in a ditch or tangled up in the barbed-wire fencing

[bloomington-lib]

7. If this was in the day of their beloved Founding Fathers, the govt would send in an army to fix

this problem.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. Armed checkpoints just like the pro-Russian militias in Ukraine. Next is

Next up, kidnappings?

Except for the guns this would be a bunch of immatures parading around thinking they are important.

[freshwest]

44. The MO is the same. Claim elected authority is illegitimate, intimidate those who don't agree. n/t

[glinda]

135. Right out of the Russian playbook.

[penultimate]

167. It is very similar, aye?

[jalan48]

9. Brown Shirts

These folks are the oligarch's Brown Shirts. They're chomping at the bit to be in charge and "take back their country".

[BlancheSplanchnik]

21. yes, exactly. :( n/t

[mountain grammy]

41. Yes, that's it. Itching to start something. Don't they have jobs or are they all on welfare?

[freshwest]

45. Yes, that's exactly what it is... It ain't aout 'Murika.'

[deek]

49. This is the crux eom

.

[RKP5637]

78. Yep, pretty much cut from the same cloth IMO. And these are domestic terrorists! And

they are getting a free pass. I'm of the nature that I would refuse to stop and let these assholes bully me. Fuck Them!!!

[Stargazer09]

129. They would not hesitate to shoot you

They are proud of what they are doing. Letting you bypass their checkpoint would be adequate grounds to kill you, in their eyes.

[RKP5637]

148. I have absolutely no doubt about that, and from what I've read, the local authorities would not

give a damn. This, is an example of the wild land these individuals want, running around shooting people up in the name of their warped concept of patriotism, wherein our forefathers would have rounded them up and jailed them all.

[Stargazer09]

151. Agreed

They make me very ill. And angry.

[Cha]

11. Ya think!

Steven Horsford!

[SummerSnow]

12. These images speak volumes...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oJPnz-tJoZ0/UpBIGudJbnI/AAAAAAAACCA/HFQsU6RA-k0/s1600/gun+nut+obama.jpg

[freshwest]

163. Meanwhile, in Colorado... SSDD...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014778297#post21

And earlier in the Eastern USA:

And Koch money behind all of it. Remember how Charles Koch crawled out from his rock to confront Harry Reid for calling out the GOP doing the bidding of the Koch brothers, with links and everything.

Now the media went off those facts so damaging to them, unless they were never on it in the first place, and this happens, and in Harry's state. Also there have been death threats made against Reid.

This is brownshirt facism on steroids, fueled by the social and network media that these people live by. And it's national.

[Martin Eden]

13. Those smiling pricks think their dicks are getting longer by strutting around with gunz.

But their idiotic fantasy will not end in satisfaction for them, and probably worse.

[RKP5637]

80. Yep, they are just itching to jerk off their guns in a confrontation. What a bunch of losers! n/t

[muntrv]

15. Cliven, you lay down with the dogs, you get fleas!

[cosmicone]

16. I'll say this once again and in the interest of peace

The federal government must use maximum and overwhelming power to suppress and silence these people forever with the use of helicopter gunships and tanks if necessary.

They seem to think that guns are the only way to seek justice -- then let it be.

I don't care if it is another Ruby Ridge or Waco -- these people are dangerous and an opportunity to get them en masse is a golden one.

[A Simple Game]

25. I hate to do this because it isn't the way I usually feel, but I agree with you.

If the reporting is true it is insurrection and must be squashed. You are right, use overwhelming force and make sure Bundy is in the circle when it closes. We still have Blackwater, or whatever they call themselves now, on speed dial don't we? Give them an hour to surrender and there are no negotiations. Sounds like they don't like drones so time it so there are 5 or 6 low flying drones overhead which are carrying ominous packages when they receive the no negotiation message.

Or what might work better is spread the rumor that the BLM is giving the names of all militia members to Social Security to see if any of them are on disability or SSI. That should clear out a lot of them.

The local sheriff is obviously incompetent and/or sympathetic to the militia. No state police in Nevada?

[Fred Sanders]

28. I disagree. Blocking some dirt roads will grow tiresome, and the locals will either kick them out

or the idiot militia will start something and forever be scorned by America and the press.

[VanillaRhapsody]

40. Nominate idea number 2 as as DUzy

I literally laughed out loud....thankful I wasn't taking a sip of something at that moment!

[Habibi]

68. Do these idiots have a FB page for their "cause"?

'Cause that would be an excellent place to start spreading this rumor.

On edit: Yes, yes they do, and it is something to behold: https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch

[JohnnyRingo]

73. Hand their names over to the justice dept for a fishing expedition?

That's funny because that's how right wingers discourage minorities from voting, and I'm pretty sure this group of idiots thinks that's a good thing. Serve 'em right.

[Stargazer09]

132. Let's not make it a rumor

The authorities have probably already identified these seditious idiots, so force them to prove that they are still entitled to disability and/or SSI payments. If they are threatening the United States government and have been labeled terrorists, they certainly don't need our financial support.

[LanternWaste]

125. What specifically leads you to believe additional violence is the most effective and efficient means

Violence is rarely the most effective or efficient manner in which to prevent more violence. Patience on the other hand, is.

What specifically leads you to believe additional violence is the most effective and efficient means?

[cosmicone]

139. At what point would you consider an all out attack?

Do people have to die before that happens?

What if they never kill anyone but beat some guy up thinking he is a federal agent - then what? We beat up a random teabagger or NRA member?

They are setting up checkpoints to prevent free passage of Americans on American land. How much longer before they set up their own (kangaroo) court system and punishing those who are against teabaggers/NRA types?

What is your limit at which point you'd order a full fledged invasion of the compound?

[LanternWaste]

174. An overt, intimidating, and aggressive act of collective violence on their part...

"What is your limit at which point you'd order a full fledged invasion of the compound?"
An overt, intimidating, and aggressive act of collective violence on their part...



Yet I still wonder, what specifically leads you to believe that government sanctioned violence is the most effective and efficient way to deal with this particular concern?

[alittlelark]

17. Don't these whackos have JOBS ?!?

How are they able to just 'come a runnin' .... Families?.... WHO is paying them for this?

[951-Riverside]

77. *cough* Disability checks and EBT cards *cough*

They probably got a massive tax payout from the IRS for the 6 kids they don't actually have but a few of them are probably felons hiding out on the ranch.

[Fred Sanders]

18. Leave them there until it gets over 120 in the shade, until then the locals and the idiots can sort

it out.

Patience, they will do themselves in all on their own, or go bankrupt.

[JohnnyRingo]

74. We know they have a good supply of steaks out back.

Hahahaha. Let 'em eat Bundy out of house & home.

[Earth_First]

19. The longer this shit is allowed to happen...the more emboldened they become.

This is happening because someone at a law enforcement level ALLOWS it to happen.

This could have been stopped YESTERDAY.

Nothing good will become of this...

[Ilsa]

64. Exactly. And I don't understand why the neighbors

Aren't screaming bloody murder on having to answer to these shitheads blocking public roads.

[951-Riverside]

82. Actually I can't blame them for that I'd stay low too

These armed insurgents answer to no one and are accountable to no one. All it takes is one lone nut to show up at your house if you start speaking up.

This is why we have law enforcement but apparently they're standing down.

Bundy: "I wanna continue mooching off public land!"
Gov: "Sure thing Mister Bundy!"
Bundy: "I's gonna set up checkpoints near my house on public roads, check townspeople for I.Ds and tear down toll booths, I don't want know trouble you hear?"
Gov: "Yes sir Mister Bundy! You won't get any trouble from us Mister Bundy!"
Bundy: "And I don't want any liens placed on my land, cattle or properties!"
Gov: "You betcha Mister Bundy! We're sorry Mister Bundy!"
Insurgents: "YOU SEE!!!! ...You SEE how they is harassin' Cliven? MSNBC... Al Sharpton ...Incomplete sentences ...They's a-comin' fer our GURNS!!!!!!"

[JohnnyRingo]

72. On the other hand...

The longer this goes on without undue media attention, the more bored they become. Having the Feds show up with muscle will bring it all back to full boil.

Regardless of how one feels about Occupy Wall St, once the TV cameras disappeared, so did the protesters. I just hope the lack of attention doesn't make them trigger happy, because then the Feds can't sit back & watch from a distance (which I'm sure they are).

[951-Riverside]

86. I agree with the idea of waiting them out but...

I think the main problem here is the checkpoints and harassment of locals in this town.

[JohnnyRingo]

88. I know I wouldn't be happy.

I get upset that I have to stop at DUI checkpoints. I'd probably get in trouble if some carpet baggin' yahoos thought they could detain me without cause.

I believe it's possible that the locals will dismiss them on their own without violence. Once the ringleader quits (whoever that is), they'll all go home. They're only in town because they've been led to believe they're welcome and needed. That sentiment appears to be evaporating by the day.

[geckosfeet]

20. I am still trying to get my head around the fact that someone is actually named Cliven.

[The Wizard]

22. Surround them with military armor

and start walking artillery rounds into them. A few 8 inch rounds landing in close proximity will have them soiling their drawers. Have some fighter jets fly over at treetop level The white flag will be up in short order. After they surrender charge them with treason and punish accordingly. Patriots don't take up arms against their own country because the President is a shade darker than they are.

[freshwest]

47. That's what they want to have happen. Obama won't give them that kind of show. n/t

[RobinA]

105. No Show

Let them get bored and go away. I'm getting Waco flashbacks. And Ruby Ridge. Even MOVE in Philadelphia in some respects.

[RKP5637]

81. When jerks like this use the word patriot, I wonder what country they are patriots of, becasue

they certainly do not represent America, but rather just their warped authoritarian values.

[jmowreader]

94. All the M110 howitzers have been retired

And they'd be WAY too much firepower anyway. The Nevada National Guard has at least one platoon of 88mm mortars, and mortar fire would be more than sufficient.

[ProfessorGAC]

106. Yikes! An 8" Round?

There's a lot of bang in the warhead in a shell that large.

As you get closer, the shock wave is too big and colaterial damage risk goes way too high.

Must be a better idea than that.

[The Wizard]

108. In 1968, in Dian, Vietnam

I was in a bunker and an 8 inch landed too close for comfort. I thought it was the end of the world.

[Fred Sanders]

24. Word is out in the Las Vegas press also:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/slash-politics/feds-probe-reid-threats-tensions-remain-high-near-bundy-ranch

Text of Rep. Horsford's letter to local law enforcement:

http://www.scribd.com/document_downloads/direct/220836758?extension=pdf&ft=1398733426<=1398737036&source=embed&uahk=OCFnuEoHJSg0HzK6kdrhyjMiGNM

[greenman3610]

26. this needs to be exposed far and wide

these are the real "show us your papers" quasi-taliban fascists.

[freshwest]

107. Nailed it. n/t

[onehandle]

27. Have they tried Viagra? nt

[Skittles]

164. eh

I thought with viagra there would be fewer wars but......

[tom_kelly]

30. How long before

one of these baggers shoot themselves or someone else by accident?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

59. How long before their paranoia tells them it was all a trap....

Let's tell them we got all of their license plates and their faces and IDs are recorded in the FBI database.

<scary voice> We know who you are and where you live. </scary voice>

[billh58]

31. All of them are

"responsible" gun owners just exercising their Second Amendment rights to water the tree of Liberty with a little blood -- perfectly understandable if you support the right-wing gun lobby.

Or, conversely they are right-wing NRA dickheads looking to "skeer" somebody with their big old guns, and prove their non-existent manhood, as seen by the rest of us.

YMMV depending on your political point-of-view.

[Blue Owl]

32. Looks like Ted Nugent back there

Puttin' the dung in his dungarees, no doubt...

[Ahpook]

158. Yeah where is the Motor Mouth Madman?

Hiding again when his country needs him?

He's such an ass

[AAO]

33. Hypothetically speaking of course: 1 MOAB would end the problem.

[kentauros]

93. Or a spent rocket booster, landing "off course."

Or a "misfire" of one of the orbital x-ray laser platforms. Which reminds me of the "news" in Robocop

[AAO]

100. Of course, this is all theoretical...

[kentauros]

120. Trajectories were theoretical at one time, too.

[AAO]

154. As long as the big boom is recorded and put on youtube I had nothing to do with it!

[think4yourself]

34. Disgusting.

The DoD has some incredible non-lethal weapons and I have a feeling they'll be activating them soon.
If I lived there and some out of town pissant asked me for MY papers?!! Holy cow these fools are pathetic.

[Owl]

35. Immature clowns.

[GReedDiamond]

46. What would these armed assholes do if...

...somebody just ignored them, and blew through their "checkpoints"?

How is what they're doing not unlawful detainment?

And why does local "law enforcement" allow these freaks to set up checkpoints?

Just wondering...because if it were me, I'd refuse to stop for them.

[freshwest]

52. Don't stop! Especially if one is female, who might be kidnapped for use as a human xhield! n/t

[Major Nikon]

56. The problem is you're talking about people who are a few fries short of a happy meal

Anyone stupid enough to set up a non-governmental checkpoint on a public road is certainly stupid enough to shoot at you if you ran it.

From what I've seen so far the checkpoint story seems to have originated from an email sent to Rep. Horsford. If it is true and the Sheriff's office won't do anything about it, I think it's time for the state police to move in and make sure the roads stay clear of the armed shitstains.

[GReedDiamond]

61. I hear ya, they probably would shoot a "checkpoint" runner, wouldn't they?

In which case, "law enforcement" would have no choice but to confront them and put them down like the rabid fucks they are.

Better that they are dealt with before that can happen, but the longer they are allowed to run their vigilante checkpoints, the more likely it will not end well.

[Jerry442]

48. I'm not a lawyer, but...

...it would seem to me that Bundy's debts have now reached such a level that the BLM could legally seize his ranch. Once they have legal control over the ranch, wouldn't it be then straightforward to get a court order requiring all present on the ranch to either vacate the premises, or to have warrants made out for their arrest for contempt of court? How many of these Walter Mittys do you think will hang around when they realize that if they do, they'll have an outstanding warrant on their butts for the next forever? Do you think they all will be cool with living on the run for a long, long time? I doubt it.

[SeattleVet]

62. I'd lay even money that some of them *already* have

outstanding arrest warrants, and that they really don't care.

[El Shaman]

50. Lots of

surplus , Iraqi war, drones, laying around, that could be put to good use!!!

[Thinkingabout]

54. Investigate the militia as domestic terrorists, see if they have warrants, see if they are

on disability. If they are on disability then they should not be out playing war games. Shut down the cameras, leave them to try to get their story out, maybe Cliven will be able to take the tie off, what a fake.

[Kablooie]

55. Sounds like they are itching for a fight.

These jerks have spent so much time and money gearing up for war they must see this as their opportunity to finally kill somebody.

The government had better prepare because they may deliberately push the limits and break the law in order to force the government to try and arrest them.

If this doesn't happen here, it seems at some point this boiling kettle of hate will have to spill over somewhere, for no reason other than to please imbeciles who want to destroy the government and become martyrs in the process.

[olddad56]

57. why are these people referred to as militia rather that terrorists?

[RKP5637]

83. Excellent point! n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

58. The main concern,...don't these guys have a life?

[Efilroft Sul]

66. If they keep pushing it, they soon won't. n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

87. Must be nice to take a few weeks off to stop and smell the cow manure.

[glinda]

137. Yes....possibly subsidized by the taxpayers.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

156. Or their parents.

[glinda]

165. Oh it's you again! lol! I totally agree.

[oneofthe99]

60. This isn't correct for the check points and Rep. Steven Horsford was misinformed

It is the dirt road where Bundys ranch is , he owns the dirt road it's not public.

They do not have check points on public roads stopping cars and people walking
asking to prove if they live there.

[freshman22]

63. Send in

Seal team 6.And a tank

[JohnnyRingo]

67. Checkpoints?

Isn't that against the very freedom they tout so patriotically?

Way to go Bundy, you turned your ranch into a right wing circus of potential violence, drawn there like nutty UFO hunters to Roswell. I hope your hospitality and beef supply outlasts their steely eyed determination to make a stand, or you may lose the farm to another more malevolent form of governance.

Dumbass.

[Shadowflash]

69. Yup.

[geek tragedy]

70. At what point does this become an armed insurrection to which the national guard

becomes the appropriate responders?

[SansACause]

71. Waco (nt)

nt

[truebluegreen]

75. Anybody remember the Freemen in Montana?

Wait 'em out. Summer is coming.

[HooptieWagon]

84. The question the WH should be asking...What is the most effective response...

Predator, Blackhawk, or A-10?

[James48]

97. ++

Double plus good

[sweetapogee]

172. sorry

no A-10 retired.

[Auntie Bush]

85. Poor neighbors! I'd sure hate it to have those terrorists in my community!

It's an outrage we have laws that support this behavior. Thank you SCJ Roberts! What the hell was he thinking?

[KittyWampus]

89. Imagine if these were Muslims or African Americans setting up check points w/guns?

[Historic NY]

90. Homeland Security should send over a drone....

and a few porta-potties.

[DeSwiss]

91. These patriotic losers are living-out their greatest orgasmic fantasy......

...with guns and camp outs and sage and bugs and snakes and farts at night under the full moonlight and dreaming about white women (for front line protection) and songs by the campfires. All served with gallons of beer. Hurrah.

- So do these people have jobs, or are they all on Social Security-Disability like the scout troop guy who turned over the standing stones???

K&R

[Sunlei]

96. He can let people camp on his 150 acre, hot, remote, desert scrub land forever if he wants.

Far as I know that is legal. Sure must be 'fun' to have 100 or so people asking to use your tiny homes restroom or peeing on the bushes in your back yard.

[GeorgeGist]

99. Isn't this the kind of gathering of terrorists that drones are good for?

[KittyWampus]

131. not until there's a wedding.

sorry, feeling unbelievably snarky today.

[jberryhill]

133. Bound to be one sooner or later in Nevada

Maybe set up a decoy wedding chapel to lure them out.

[JoeyT]

102. The feds had better get off their asses and do something about them.

Preferably before someone refuses to be subjected to one of their bullshit searches and demands for papers and gets shot.

[tammywammy]

109. WTF? Armed checkpoints?

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

110. Just like a third world nation.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

111. Sheriff urged to clamp down on armed militiamen around Bundy ranch

Hat tip, Gawker: Nevada Militia Sets Up Armed Checkpoints, Demands to See Drivers' I.D.

Sheriff urged to clamp down on armed militiamen around Bundy ranch

By Kyle Roerink
Monday, April 28, 2014 | 4:16 p.m.

A growing number of Bunkerville residents want to see the armed militiamen guarding rancher Cliven Bundy leave Nevada, according to a letter from Rep. Steven Horsford, D-Nev., to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie.

Horsford, whose congressional district includes Bunkerville, wrote that his constituents are concerned about Bundy supporters carrying weapons near local churches, schools and elsewhere.
....

The letter also says militiamen have a presence on state and local roads as well as federal highways. In some areas, according to the letter, militiamen have set up checkpoints where drivers are stopped and asked to provide a proof of residency.
....

Bundy owes the BLM $1 million in grazing fees. Earlier this month, the agency called off a roundup of Bundy’s cattle after escalating tensions between federal agents and militia members.

STEVE MARCUS

Reid Hendricks of Camden, Tenn., and Jim (no last name provided) of Las Vegas take up a position on a hill by Cliven Bundy’s ranch near Bunkerville on Tuesday, April 15, 2014. Hendricks is a former Marine (honorably discharged) and has worked as a police officer and a high school history teacher, he said.

Hat tip to commenter "RedWhiteBlue" for this: THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEVADA, Article 1, Section 2

Sec:?2.??Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States.??All political power is inherent in the people[.] Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair[,] subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existance [existence], and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

[951-Riverside]

112. Bundy Ranch Supporter Talks About Shooting "Deserters" in the Back, Refers to Ranch as a Battlefield

Starting at 2:20 (They're referring to the Oafkeepers leaving the Ranch).

Insurgent wearing the black shirt: "This man and The people that obeyed that order have violated my personal creed."

Other insurgent: "Absolutely"

Insurgent wearing the black shirt: "You don't fucking walk in and say I'm sorry and you're back in brother, you can walk in and say you're sorry and you're lucky that you're not getting shot in the back because that's what happens to deserters on the battlefield"

Other insurgents: "Amen brother, amen"

[Catherine Vincent]

114. What is the local sheriff department doing about this?

Isn't the area their jurisdiction?

[951-Riverside]

121. He's respecting their 28th amendment right

The 28th amendment specifically says: "A militia member shall quarter public roads and install checkpoints when it is necessary to protect a wealthy rancher who doesn't want to pay his grazing fees but still wants to use public land to embiggen his own net worth. The militia shall have unlimited access to methamphetamine and ephebophilia shall be mandatory."

This is how it works:

Bundy: "I wanna continue mooching off public land!"
Gov: "Sure thing Mister Bundy!"
Bundy: "I's gonna set up checkpoints near my house on public roads, check townspeople for I.Ds and tear down toll booths, I don't want know trouble you hear?"
Gov: "Yes sir Mister Bundy! You won't get any trouble from us Mister Bundy!"
Bundy: "And I don't want any liens placed on my land, cattle or properties!"
Gov: "You betcha Mister Bundy! We're sorry Mister Bundy!"
Insurgents: "YOU SEE!!!! ...You SEE how they is harassin' Cliven? MSNBC... Al Sharpton ...Incomplete sentences ...They's a-comin' fer our GURNS!!!!!!"

[Oldtimeralso]

116. An Idea

Isn't this near Nellis AFB, the home of the Thunderbirds, maybe they could practice some low-level flybys,

[kentauros]

122. I was wondering what a MACH-1 or -2 low-level flyby

does to the human body, specifically, the ears...

However, someone could just paint up a crop duster in all the emblems of the militia, battle flags, and so forth, then do an Agent-Orange flyby. That way, they'd accept the plane and pilot as one of their own, until it's too late

[malthaussen]

117. Where's the 82nd Airborne when we need them?

I cannot believe these people are being allowed to get away with this crap. It must be an effort to give them enough rope to hang themselves. Well, mustn't it?

-- Mal

[tofuandbeer]

118. You do peaceful protesting in the U.S. and they hit you with pepper spray, rubber bullets and

create new devises to control and disperse you.
You take over a town with guns, and they stand down.

[maggies farm]

126. Mormon Militia and the Mountain Meadows Massacre

Cliven's great great grandfather is Dudley Leavitt.

Do you know about the Mountain Meadows Massacre?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

"The militia, officially called the Nauvoo Legion, was composed of Utah's Mormon settlers (members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or LDS Church). Intending to give the appearance of Native American aggression, their plan was to arm some Southern Paiute Native Americans and persuade them to join with a larger party of their own militiamen—disguised as Native Americans—in an attack. During the militia's first assault on the wagon train, the emigrants fought back and a five-day siege ensued. Eventually fear spread among the militia's leaders that some emigrants had caught sight of white men, and had likely discovered the identity of their attackers. As a result militia commander William H. Dame ordered his forces to kill the emigrants."

That is right. The Mormon polgaymist commune settled in Bunkerville around 1877. Some that came were people involved with the Mountain Meadows massecre. Mormons using indians (much like the Boston Tea Party) to kill white immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunkerville,_Nevada
http://www.mesquitenv.gov/mesquite-highlights/history

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Arlene Jefry Tober • 16 hours ago
You are not sure that maternal lineage legally matters? Are you serious?

The reason the 'place' was purchased in 1948 was that was when his parents were a young couple just starting out. Obviously family land was offered.

If you go to the BLM site you will see that the BLM did not get into tracking cattle on the lands in western states until the late 40s and into the 50s, so there is not record of who ran what cattle where before that point in time . . . often to the 70s in different areas. No one is going to have record of "IF" cattle were run on the land by family prior. I don't make too much of that.

Neither of my husband's grandparents had birth certificates. That doesn't mean that they were not born. It meant a heckuva time getting Metis certificates, mind you, in this world where people seem to believe if there was no paper record it did not happen . . . hard to explain the presence of his mother.

Cliven's ancestral rights come from these ancestors in this order: Cliven's mother Margaret Bodel JENSON-Bundy - (Cliven's grandmother), Margaret's mother; Abigail Christina ABBOTT-Jenson - (Cliven's great grandmother); Mary Jane LEAVITT-Abbott. (Abigail "Christina" Abbot-Jenson's mother); Cliven's great great grandfather Dudley Leavitt, (Mary Jane Leavitt-Abbott's father).

Rootsweb is the search for the certificates. This sight won't let me leave the link.

Jefry Tober Arlene • 3 hours ago
Arlene it is a delight to be able to talk to someone about the history of this region. I always appreciate anything regarding history,settlement of the west, Native Americans, homestead, etc. I am most interested in learning how Bundy and his relations interacted with the Paiute.

From the Mormon perspective they were bullied by non mormons and the US government.

From the Paiute perspective the Mormon monopolized the water and brought in too many cows and overgrazed the area.

From the white perspective we were murdered in schemes like the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

You have water rights affiliated to your real property nothing more and that is on paper. This is NOT the State of Deseret. We told you once and we will tell you again and again. No you can not make a theocratic state out of our country. You were once citizens of our country before the fraud of your religion was imagined.

You trashed the desert with your cows and I have been working for 30 years to end that.

A Mormon judge ruled against Clivens crazy talk. Better find better lawyers because I personally find you a threat with your guns and Militia's not the US government - me. Get your damn cows off public land and keep it on your private land. It is long done Clark County has the grazing allotment. You know it I know it. You need to get out of 1877 and move into 2014. I think you would have more savvy if you thought of it as a matter of overpopulation rather environment.

Mining fizzled in 1905, grazing fizzled in 1993 (which is Bundy's damn fault). recreation brings in more dollars. FACT. maybe that Bunkervile commune might invest their cattle herd to the Mormon polygamy sects in canada or mexico.

If Bundy has a right why not the Paiute?

Arlene the whole story is going to come out. I sure hope there are no child brides on that ranch. Right now you are riding on a wave of novelty coupled with frustration of cronyism and dysfunction of this government. You are capitalizing on a lie and a fraud. Reid and BLM are no saints either but not those Bundys/Leavits.

For the American public this appeared out of nowhere, but we in the west know this has been brewing for quiet awhile. We The People need a public discovery of ALL of the facts. All of the players Bundy, Clark County, BLM, Reid etc etc etc

Whatever proof Bundy has regarding his illusionary water rights he better prove it. All of this legal mumbo jumbo.... The Bunkerville Mormon commune stole the water from the Paiute. You know they do ceremony up in that allotment to this day correct?

[underpants]

130. In other news - Rock Ridge needs a new Sheriff

[lillypaddle]

136. I just want to slap the shit out of them

what a lot of mutherfuckin nerve! Damn.

[perdita9]

138. Non-gunowners appear to have no rights in this country

The gun toting lunatics can threaten us at will

[KansDem]

140. Drop a drone on them

If they're good enough for wedding parties in Yemen, they're good enough for American terrorists in Nevada.

[Ash_F]

143. If they weren't white, they'd be drone-bombed by now. /nt

[CrispyQ]

144. I wouldn't want these fuckers anywhere near my community.

I cannot believe they are allowed to do this:

...his constituents say the militia have set up checkpoints where residents must prove they live in the area before they are allowed to pass and have set up a "persistent presence" along federal highways, and state and county roads. They also claim some have established an armed presence in the community.

[toby jo]

147. Imagine these kooks on your street.

Kay...rist in a handbasket.

[secondvariety]

149. Play this

24 hours a day at ear bleeding levels;

They'd leave within a day.

[cntrygrl]

150. Still waiting for Sarah

(I can shoot the broad side of a caribou - NOT!) Palin to show up with her .225-caliber Winchester.

[Hoppy]

152. They must be blind.

The photo looks like there's a black man or at least an Hispanic at the front. They would never allow that if they could see the man's skin tone.

[mikeysnot]

157. No, these are just law abiding citizens

demonstrating their 2nd amendment rights...

nothing to see here. Good guys with guns.

[Swede Atlanta]

159. If these are public roads/highways......

the local sheriff needs to arrest them as they have no legal authority to block public roads/highways.

I believe the minimum sentence for this kind of vigilantism is 20 years. If it is a NV highway they will rot in a NV prison. If a federal highway it is something like 20 years.

[Rocknrule]

160. They want another Waco to make Obama look bad

And to inspire some McVeigh wannabe among them to "water the tree of liberty" again

[Curmudgeoness]

161. Don't these guys have jobs?

How do they have the time to hang out patrolling Bunkerville?

I suppose that they are all freeloaders.

[penultimate]

166. Well that sounds highly illegal. Time to send in the cavalry to clean these morons up

Unfortunatly I think that's what they're trying to get to happen.

[freshwest]

169. ANONYMOUS weighs in:

See how much support that will garner...

[StarryNite]

170. Oh brother.

Anonymous needs to get their facts straight and while they're at it, maybe a get new camera.

[freshwest]

171. Yeah, script was biased. Didn't like the music or the Ayn Rand Aryan Superman type at the end. n/t

[Arkana]

173. You mean that a bunch of violent, armed thugs are causing people distress?

Well I NEVER!