Ohio Executions Face Obstacles After Unusual Death
Source: Associated Press
Ohio Executions Face Obstacles After Unusual Death
LUCASVILLE, Ohio January 17, 2014 (AP)
By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS AP Legal Affairs Writer
Ohio's capital punishment system likely faces new challenges following an unusually long execution in which the condemned man appeared to gasp several times.
Family members of death row inmate Dennis McGuire planned a Friday news conference to announce a lawsuit over McGuire's death, which they are calling unconstitutional. And it's almost certain lawyers will use McGuire's Thursday execution to challenge Ohio's plans to put a condemned Cleveland-area killer to death next month.
"All citizens have a right to expect that they will not be treated or punished in a cruel and unusual way," defense attorney Jon Paul Rion, representing McGuire's adult children, said Thursday. "Today's actions violated that constitutional expectation."
McGuire's attorney Allen Bohnert called the convicted killer's death "a failed, agonizing experiment" and added: "The people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."
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A few minutes before McGuire was put to death, Ohio prison director Gary Mohr said he believed the state's planning would produce "a humane, dignified execution" consistent with the law.
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delrem
(9,688 posts)warrant46
(2,205 posts)A historically quaint custom used to eliminate evil
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I still have my doubts. Mr. Mohr should try this method on himself, then he can report first-hand how painless and humane it is.
7962
(11,841 posts)THAT was a botched execution. Earlier OP on this describes a man with sleep apnea snoring.
Whatever the family sues for, the victims family should file a suit against them asking for double.
The real tragedy is that it took 25 years to get rid of a man who stabbed a pregnant woman to death.
Joy Stewart was 8 months pregnant when McGuire raped her and stabbed her to death. That didnt make national news. Her murderer gets a worldwide story. Another tragedy.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)No?
Then it's not fucking "justice".
Killing another person solves nothing. There will be no "closure." There never is.
7962
(11,841 posts)Useless argument.
Read what her family had to say about it.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)So what's the argument for killing him then?
7962
(11,841 posts)Obviously some people are scared of it.
The travesty is that it took 25 years to do it.
We're not lowering ourselves at all. If we wanted to do that, we'd take him out, rape him, and then stab him repeatedly.
If you really want it to have an impact, stop letting them sit in a cell for decades before you execute them.
Other countries who dont have the DP also dont have the type murders that we have here in the numbers we have here.
christx30
(6,241 posts)the other day. If the McGuire family sues the state over the rapist/murder's death, Pam Stewart's family should be able to sue them into bankruptcy for her wrongful death. She was completely innocent, but died horribly. Dennis McGuire was guilty as hell. He chose to do what he did. He weighed the options. He tried to hide his crime and blame someone else, because he knew the consequences. But he got caught.
I have no sympathy for Dennis McGuire. He had a choice. Sexually assault this woman, ignore her. If he had ignored her, she would be with her family right now, and he wouldn't have spent the last 20 years in prison. He would still be alive. But he felt the need to hurt someone. He stabbed a pregnant woman after raping her. She died a cruel and unusual death. His was comparativly peaceful. Let him rot.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)....better than those people have treated them or others.
That does not mean act like a pushover. It does, however, mean that acting at their level only brings everyone down to said level.
So how is your "let him rot" attitude helping anything?
christx30
(6,241 posts)protects it's citizens from monsters like this.
My 'let him rot' means exactly that. This man made a choice and brutally murdered a pregnant woman.
How would having him on the planet help anyone? What possible good could he do? He killed once, and I think he'd do it again. Best just to remove him from the planet.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Society is protected. Problem solved.
So what's the need to kill him, now that society is protected?
christx30
(6,241 posts)Death penalty without execution. He gets a 5'x9' cell, which he never leaves. One meal a day. He has no TV. No Internet. No books. The only person only meet with is his lawyer for appeals. He does not get medical treatment. And he's there until he dies.
Gives a chance to protect the wrongfully convicted. This is different from life in prison in that he will have absolutely no way of getting or losing privilages. He sits on his bed until he dies.
rexcat
(3,622 posts)I particularly care for your ethics or values considering the screed you typed.
Granted he did kill a women and her fetus which is absolutely appalling. I don't see going to the low level you suggest would benefit our society. The way you would treat him if he were to receive a prison sentence without parole does no one any good. What you are suggesting borders on torture and probably goes over the line. What I hear you saying is a base society should be more valued than a humane society, similar to what our military, CIA and FBI did to Iraqis and for all we know continues with the Afghans.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Most people serving LWOP spend very little time outside their cell. Meals are menial. "Health care" is bare bones. And contact with outsiders is limited. The notion that people serving LWOP are living somehow a cushy life is ludicrous.
And I'm okay with that particular arrangement. Granted, if someone happens to be wrongfully convicted, it is an unimaginable hell, but we can only hope to be more vigilant with DNA testing and safeguards against coerced confessions and improper identification.
I can't say I'd go quite as far as what you've suggested, because for someone who might be wrongfully convicted, that type of sensory depravation and isolation would just be horrifically cruel. I'm fine with withholding TV and internet privileges. I wouldn't take away books because there has to be some sort of mental stimulation, and you can only hope over the years of confinement one can slowly come to grips of what they've done and where they are and accept their situation and their punishment.
7962
(11,841 posts)Because they're no longer a threat, they're too old, its cruel to leave them in prison at that age, etc.
Just wait, its coming.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)....I'm fine with keeping them in until the day they die.
As are most people.
7962
(11,841 posts)Botany
(70,506 posts)... better then how his victim was murdered after she was raped. So what he coughed
and snored as he was unconscious? I feel somewhat bad for his family watching it
but I feel much more sympathy for his victim, her family, and friends.
I am against the death penalty because it costs too much, it takes too long,
and in many cases the convicted person does not get good legal help but as long
as we have that law on the books this guy was a perfect person for it. I fail to understand
why we can't just put 2 or 3 .32 caliber soft nosed slugs into their brain stem and
be done with it rather then fooling around with all this other "stuff." Quick, painless,
cheap, and a 100% guaranteed success rate.
I would prefer that we had a life w/out parole law across the country but anybody
running for judge, D.A., or sheriff who says he/she is against the death penalty
will face a tough time getting elected.
George II
(67,782 posts).....will face a tough time getting elected"
Dan Malloy did in Connecticut. We no longer have the death penalty here.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)It can be done, but it helps to be in a blue state.
I'd love for that mindset to come down here to Florida, but I fear that won't happen in my lifetime. "Tough on crime" is a easy selling point to the masses, even though the death penalty does zilch to deter crime.
Botany
(70,506 posts).... told me that even if somebody running for judge, DA, or sheriff did not support the
death penalty they would be painted as "soft on crime" if they spoke publicly about
what they thought about the D.P..
Again I wish they would get rid of the D.P. for a number of reasons but when you get to
the case by case level for the D.P. it is hard for me to have a lot of sympathy for the
murderers / rapists. I had a friend murdered because she fought a rapist years ago
and that has harden my feelings about these people for life.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)At least one good thing would come out of this debacle if they put a halt to executions.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)What the hell is wrong with us?
Baalzamon
(21 posts)& unusual punishment.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Joy Stewart was last seen alive on February 11, 1989. That morning, she had breakfast with her neighbors between 9 and 10. She went there alone that morning because her husband, Kenny Stewart, a truck driver, worked that day from approximately 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.
The following day, February 12, two hikers found the body of Joy Stewart in some woods near Bantas Creek. The front of her shirt was saturated with blood. One deputy sheriff at the scene, Larry Swihart, also noted that there appeared to be a blood wipe mark on her right arm.
The body was taken to the Montgomery County Coroners Office, where an autopsy was performed. The autopsy revealed that Joy had been stabbed twice. One wound, located above the left collarbone, caused no significant injury. The critical wound was a four-and-a-half-inch-deep cut in the throat, which completely severed the carotid artery and jugular vein. The doctor determined that Joy was alive when she received the wound, and that such a wound could have been caused by a single-edged blade shorter than four and a half inches, due to how soft and moveable the tissues are in the neck.
The autopsy also revealed abrasions around the neck, impressed with the cloth pattern of Joys shirt. The coroners office also took vaginal, oral, and anal swabs. The coroner found an abundant amount of sperm on the anal swab, some sperm on the vaginal swab, and none on the oral swab. The coroner indicated that sperm could be detected in the vagina for days or sometimes weeks after ejaculation; however, sperm in the rectum could be detected for a lesser time because the environment is fairly hostile for sperm, and a bowel movement usually will purge the rectum of any sperm.
Investigator David Lindloff of the Preble County Prosecutors Office investigated the murder, but to no immediate avail. However, in December 1989, Lindloff was notified that McGuire wanted to talk to him about information concerning a murder in Preble County. McGuire was in jail at the time on an unrelated offense and told a corrections officer that he needed to talk to Investigator Lindloff and Deputy Swihart. Joseph Goodwin, the corrections officer McGuire initially talked to, took him to a private room to talk, where McGuire told him that he knew who had killed Joy Stewart. McGuire stated that Jerry Richardson, McGuires brother-in-law, had killed Joy with a knife, and he could lead investigators to it.
McGuire explained to Officer Goodwin that Richardson had wanted to have sex with Joy, but she had refused. McGuire claimed that Richardson then pulled a knife on her, and forced her to have oral sex with him. McGuire then said Richardson anally sodomized her because he couldnt have regular sex with her because she was pregnant. He also said Richardson stabbed her in the shoulder bone and cut her throat.
Based on these details, Goodwin contacted Investigator Lindloff, who talked to McGuire on December 22, 1989. McGuire told Lindloff that Richardson committed the murder, that he stabbed Joy twice in the neck, and that the first time it didnt go in. He pulled the knife back out and stuck her again. Lindloff was interested, since the fact that Joy had been stabbed twice in the neck and anally sodomized had not been revealed to the public at that time.
McGuire also described in detail the area where Joys body had been found. McGuire then led Lindloff and deputies to the murder weapon, on a local farm where he and Richardson had occasionally worked. McGuire led the officers to the hayloft and showed them where a knife was hidden behind a beam.
He ended up killing Joy for fear that he would go to jail for raping a pregnant woman.
On December 22, 1993, McGuire was indicted on one count of aggravated murder, with one felony-murder specification for rape and was also indicted on two counts of rape (vaginal and anal) and one count of kidnapping. On December 8, 1994, the jury returned a guilty verdict on the aggravated murder and specification charge. McGuire was also convicted of anal rape and kidnapping. After a sentencing hearing, the jury recommended a sentence of death for the aggravated murder. The trial judge sentenced McGuire to death, and the court of appeals affirmed.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)No?
Then what's the point?
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Too much time is spent worrying about the convicted murdering rapist instead of the victim if you ask me.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)So in the end, it's a futile exercise. It's not a deterrent. It offers no real closure. It's not a matter of self-defense. Way too often it's been wrongly applied--innocent people have been executed. And it makes zero logical sense.
Death penalty apologists as if just because a killer is spared the death penalty, that's somehow coddling that person or that it constitutes a miscarriage of justice. I don't see it as anything of the sort. That person is forfeiting his freedom for the rest of his life, and in my opinion, that's as far as the state can reasonably go.
840high
(17,196 posts)Shemp Howard
(889 posts)Imprisonment of the murderer would not bring the victims back to life either. So by your line of reasoning, there's no point to imprisonment.
There are good arguments to be made against the death penalty, but, sorry, your line of reasoning is not one of them.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Someone kills someone else, so people insist that that person himself be killed.
But then you just end up with more dead people. How is that justice?
warrant46
(2,205 posts)Like cutting off the hand of a thief or stoning an adulteress
7962
(11,841 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)person you can rectify the mistake to a greater or lesser extent. Our vengeful blood lust should not equal that of these morally bankrupt killers. We should be better than this. How many innocent men have been put to death just in Texas? How many innocent men on death row, or serving life in prison have been set free by "The Innocence Project?" Juries frequently get it wrong. Prosecutorial misconduct, especially withholding exculpatory evidence happens. We should not be this barbaric and stupid!
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)In one of my old political science classes, I remember reading about the Soviet constitution under Stalin. That constitution allowed for capital punishment (no surprise there), but prohibited any prison sentence more than ten years.
The theory was that a sentence longer than ten years was actually more agonizing to a human being than the death penalty.
I'm not endorsing that idea, just throwing it out for discussion.
As an aside, Stalin got around that maximum by charging his enemies with new 10-year crimes as they were completing their old 10-year sentences.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Maybe it is time for the US to move forward with the rest of the first world and eliminate the death penalty.