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Omaha Steve

(99,674 posts)
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 07:44 PM Dec 2013

Weak US card security made Target a juicy target

Source: AP-Excite

By JONATHAN FAHEY

NEW YORK (AP) - The U.S. is the juiciest target for hackers hunting credit card information. And experts say incidents like the recent data theft at Target's stores will get worse before they get better.

That's in part because U.S. credit and debit cards rely on an easy-to-copy magnetic strip on the back of the card, which stores account information using the same technology as cassette tapes.

"We are using 20th century cards against 21st century hackers," says Mallory Duncan, general counsel at the National Retail Federation. "The thieves have moved on but the cards have not."

In most countries outside the U.S., people carry cards that use digital chips to hold account information. The chip generates a unique code every time it's used. That makes the cards more difficult for criminals to replicate. So difficult that they generally don't bother.

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In this Jan. 18, 2008 file photo, a customer signs his credit card receipt at a Target store in Tallahassee, Fla. The U.S. is the juiciest target for hackers hunting credit card information. And experts say incidents like the recent data theft at Target's stores will get worse before they get better. That's in part because U.S. credit and debit cards rely on an easy-to-copy magnetic strip on the back of the card, which stores account information using the same technology as cassette tapes. The breach that exposed the credit card and debit card information of as many as 40 million Target customers who swiped their cards between Nov. 27 and Dec. 15 is still under investigation. (AP Photo/Phil Coale, File)

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Weak US card security made Target a juicy target (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 2013 OP
Too bad the NSA is busy policing Potential terrorists orpupilofnature57 Dec 2013 #1
True. In Canada, the cards have chips in them. marmar Dec 2013 #2
Aren't the chips an even easier target, with the readers? SoapBox Dec 2013 #7
I don't think the chips are constantly "barking" anything, drm604 Dec 2013 #11
IIRC you also need to use your pin for every transaction Major Nikon Dec 2013 #12
But the system also requires the secret code from the chip, which changes every time. drm604 Dec 2013 #13
I have no idea how the chip works Major Nikon Dec 2013 #14
They are much more secure. drm604 Dec 2013 #15
Maybe its time the US join the 21st century. iandhr Dec 2013 #3
USA! USA! USA! silverweb Dec 2013 #4
Actually it's a function of being early adopters of widespread card use. Codeine Dec 2013 #9
That makes sense. silverweb Dec 2013 #10
I`m also thinking . . . aggiesal Dec 2013 #16
This is why PatrynXX Dec 2013 #5
As a very wise man once said to me Sherman A1 Dec 2013 #6
Profits are the problem. RC Dec 2013 #8
You Bolded The Definitive Statement DallasNE Dec 2013 #18
It would only take one very smart US bank go west young man Dec 2013 #17
This Is Complicated DallasNE Dec 2013 #19
A lot of international cards have the chip, RFID and magnetic strip Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2013 #22
We really need to change from "swipe and sign" to "dip and pin" like the rest of the world. GodlessBiker Dec 2013 #20
There are almost 7,000,000 Point-of-Sale terminals in the US Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2013 #21

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. Aren't the chips an even easier target, with the readers?
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 08:11 PM
Dec 2013

Hell , the crooks don't even need you to swipe the card, when you have a chip that is barking out your information...they just walk by you.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
11. I don't think the chips are constantly "barking" anything,
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 08:48 PM
Dec 2013

and when they are used, it's a different code every time, like a car's key fob. So even if someone could capture the code, it could be used once, at most.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
12. IIRC you also need to use your pin for every transaction
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:06 PM
Dec 2013

When I was in Europe the last time I noticed the locals were all entering their pin each time they used their card.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
13. But the system also requires the secret code from the chip, which changes every time.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:09 PM
Dec 2013

So even if you capture the pin and the code, it won't accept that code a second time.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
14. I have no idea how the chip works
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:13 PM
Dec 2013

I just know that the cards my European friends used were different and more secure.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
15. They are much more secure.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:22 PM
Dec 2013

This is a subject that I know something about. If the European chip system works the way I think it does then it's inherently much more secure.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
4. USA! USA! USA!
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 08:01 PM
Dec 2013

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]And we're behind the technological 8-ball again because ... ???

I'm guessing it's because chips in cards cost $0.001 cent more apiece than the magnetic strips and, you know... profits trump customer security.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
9. Actually it's a function of being early adopters of widespread card use.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 08:33 PM
Dec 2013

An enormous infrastructure was built up around the older card technology here, while slower adoption by Europe meant that more modern equipment was the norm there. That's what I've read about the disparity, anyway.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
10. That makes sense.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 08:44 PM
Dec 2013

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]And it still comes down to profits because it would cost money to change the technological infrastructure.

On edit: I'm thinking about canceling all debit/credit cards except one, and letting involved institutions know that I'll reinstate only after they upgrade to the more secure chip technology the rest of the 21st Century world is using. It'll be slightly inconvenient, but I'll manage.

aggiesal

(8,920 posts)
16. I`m also thinking . . .
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:17 PM
Dec 2013

that banks don`t want to swap out the millions of ATM machines
to handle the newer technology.

The store vendors would have to swap out their card machines and
upgrade their systems to handle the new technology.

So I agree with your premise that profits trump security evertytime.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
6. As a very wise man once said to me
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 08:09 PM
Dec 2013

"Most Wounds Are Self-Inflicted".

Nothing like that "penny-wise, pound-foolish" approach to doing business.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
8. Profits are the problem.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 08:18 PM
Dec 2013
Another problem: retailers, banks and credit card companies each want someone else to foot most of the bill. Card companies want stores to pay to better protect their internal systems. Stores want card companies to issue more sophisticated cards. Banks want to preserve the profits they get from older processing systems.


Nobody want to spend part of their profits to fix the system, when that cuts into executive's bonuses and stock options.

More reason to get the corporations back under control.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
18. You Bolded The Definitive Statement
Reply to RC (Reply #8)
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 12:28 AM
Dec 2013

With a slight correction. They should say "card processors" because banks may process less than half of these transactions. First Data is by far the largest processor (are they still called that?). Because a different set of data would be transmitted there would be substantial reprogramming and new processing errors would happen following roll-out -- the old systems are old, stable, almost error free and profitable because of that.

The comment about the merchant being the weak link is my experience. Once, back in the days of imprint transactions I had a $600 charge for sports equipment. Apparently a local merchant had someone go through their waste paper and found the carbon paper from a transaction. The fraud transaction didn't even have the correct first name and was even a call in order for delivery. It should have smelled like fraud. Another time I had 2 charges from California show up. I only did business with one merchant in California and had faxed my card information to them for recurring billing. When I called them up they played dumb suggesting that no it could not be them. When I asked them about who all had access to the fax machine they finally confessed that the fax machine was next to the office copier and that they had recently fired an employee because another customer had also reported a card issue. I had a 3rd breach but don't recall that we ever got to the bottom of it. In all cases the charges were cancelled. But over a 35 year period that is not bad.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
17. It would only take one very smart US bank
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 11:32 PM
Dec 2013

implementing the new technology for the rest to follow suit. Once everybody started using that secure card it becomes a race for the rest of these mainstream lazy greedy ass banks to move their asses.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
19. This Is Complicated
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 01:30 AM
Dec 2013

And would be more complex by far than when Visa and MasterCard expanded the cardholder number from 13 to 16 positions (when they were running out of numbers). There are also Amex, Discoverer, private gift cards and other cards.

Obviously, merchants would need to be able to process both kinds of cards for a period of a few years. Now they could transmit a single file to the card processor as long as they passed a code in their header record to indicate which type of detail transaction follows. Programs would then need code to process both ways. Often subroutines are developed meaning the program would look at code in the header to see whether to call the old subroutine or call a newly written subroutine for the new transaction type. Reports, screens, etc. would also need to be modified to print the appropriate set of data.

As you can see, the current configuration does not lend itself to a single bank (issuer) going first and force the others to follow. The bottleneck is the merchant base, not the bank/processor (issuer or acquirer).

Question, what do visitors currently do when they come to this country and only have cards with chips and what do American's do when they go overseas with swipe cards? The cards are international so I might be behind the times on current capabilities. This alone should force the issue.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
22. A lot of international cards have the chip, RFID and magnetic strip
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 04:27 PM
Dec 2013

The real pain was when some EU issuers did away with raised numbers.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
21. There are almost 7,000,000 Point-of-Sale terminals in the US
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 04:22 PM
Dec 2013

Retailers just aren't willing to make the investment when the liability for card swiped transactions isn't theirs and for card issuers the total losses from fraud just aren't that great and their internal loss-prevention systems are pretty effective.

All the impetus is on card-less transactions.

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