Boehner: No ‘Clean’ Votes on Reopening Government or Debt Ceiling Without Negotiations with Presiden

[TomCADem]

Source: ABC News

Boehner said repeatedly that he does not intend to have the nation default on its debt. But he declined to guarantee that he’d bring a debt-limit bill to the floor of the House without concessions from Democrats.

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Asked by Stephanopoulos whether that no negotiations means the country will default on its debt, Boehner responded: “That’s the path we’re on. Listen, the president canceled his trip to Asia. I assumed, well, maybe he wants to have a conversation. I decided to stay here in Washington this weekend. He knows what my phone number is. All he has to do is call.”

Boehner acknowledged that the showdown over government funding, aimed at scaling back the Obama health care law, isn’t a fight that he chose. He also appeared to confirm that, in conversations with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, he had previously sought to ensure full government funding, only to be convinced to take a different course after consulting with his fellow House Republicans.

“I and my members decided that the threat of Obamacare and what was happening was so important that it was time for us to take a stand. And we took a stand,” he said. “I thought the fight would be over the debt ceiling. But you know, working with my members, they decided, well, let’s do it now. And the fact is, this fight was going to come, one way or the other. We’re in the fight.”

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/boehner-no-clean-votes-on-reopening-government-or-debt-ceiling-without-negotiations-with-president-obama/

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Boehner explicitly threatens to shoot the hostage!!! He will not raise the debt ceiling unless the President agrees to "negotiate" over the ACA. Boehner also acknowledges that he broke a deal with Harry Reid on a clean CR. Finally, while demanding that the President negotiate and compromise, Boehner also announces that taxes are definitely off the table.

And, in the end, Boehner insists that President Obama and the Senate are at fault while George S. sits there letting Boehner spout his talking points.

[FarPoint]

1. Thank you for the post...

I was watching the program but struggled to comprehend the game at hand for the day...maybe for the week.

[KewlKat]

2. Wonder what the Markets will do in the morning given that

Boner vowed on Sunday not to raise the U.S. debt ceiling without a "serious conversation" about what is driving the debt. The powers that be don't have to wait to downgrade our credit again, costing how much more? plus the shutdown was 2 billion, now we're paying wages to folks that aren't working.....mighty costly error on the Gropers side. They're bitching at the costs of Obamacare but look what they've pissed away in what 6 days? I wished I had moved my paltry IRA to something else. Many of us don't have a lot of years left to see the IRAs recover and I only see dark days ahead with their attitudes holding a nation hostage.

[Orsino]

7. And yet Boehner's also on record saying that he won't let the US default.

What a weakling.

[RC]

32. If you have your IRA in the stock market, check with your local or regional bank for a safer deal.

Not any national banks. Local or regional bank or maybe a credit union. I have my IRA in what is actually a glorified CD that pays much more interest than a normal CD. It is insured under FDIC.

[pangaia]

3. Maybe I have been asleep

for the past umteen years, but I have NEVER, ever heard this man lie so much. He has really been gotten to

[tofuandbeer]

5. +1 ...it almost sounds like he's a hostage. Can't stand the bastard, regardless.

How do they look at themselves in the mirror each day?

[pangaia]

6. They have no inner conscience.

Looking in the mirror is easy because there is nothing looking back at them. Just..emptiness.

[KewlKat]

10. How can they look at themselves? It's easy.....

Vampires and Bloodsuckers have no reflection!

[freshwest]

35. Yeah, that's the one I was looking for!

[madrchsod]

4. the president does`t have to negotiate and the boner knows this

this is a bad political play that should have closed after opening night.

[TomCADem]

9. Of course, no one brings up Boehner's stance in January 2013 that he's done negotiating.

Last edited Sun Oct 6, 2013, 02:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Today, on the Sunday news, Boehner has been telling everyone who will listen that all he wants to do is negotiate with President Obama, that Obama has his number, and that the shutdown is due President Obama's refusal to negotiate. Not surprisingly, no one asked Boehner about his stance back in January that he was through negotiating with the President. I guess that would undermine the Republican talking point that Democrats are the ones refusing to negotiate.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/275295-boehner-tells-gop-hes-done-with-one-on-one-obama-talks

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is signaling that at least one thing will change about his leadership during the 113th Congress: he’s telling Republicans he is done with private, one-on-one negotiations with President Obama.

During both 2011 and 2012, the Speaker spent weeks shuttling between the Capitol and the White House for meetings with the president in hope of striking a grand bargain on the deficit.

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In closed-door meetings since leaving the “fiscal cliff” talks two weeks ago, lawmakers and aides say the Speaker has indicated he is abandoning that approach for good and will return fully to the normal legislative process in 2013 — seeking to pass bills through the House that can then be adopted, amended or reconciled by the Senate.

"He is recommitting himself and the House to what we've done, which is working through regular order and letting the House work its will,” an aide to the Speaker told The Hill.

[DWinNJ]

8. In the words of Forrest Gump

Stupid is as stupid does

He keeps painting himself in a corner.

A continuing resolution isn't even doing the job of congress. It's like asking the teacher for an extension because you couldn't get your assignment done in time. Now he's negotiating on how the assignment is graded.
The debt ceiling follows as something that should just be done.
Your house is on fire and you want to argue before you turn on the water.

[DCBob]

11. Looks like they are going to to try to force the President to do something extreme.

Like ignore the debt ceiling then they will try to impeach him. I think that's their ultimate goal.

[TomCADem]

12. WaPo - "Rep. Farenthold says House could impeach Obama" -August 2013

Well, just a month ago, you had a Rep. Farenthold saying that they could drum up the votes to impeach the President, but the Senate is standing in the way.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/08/12/farenthold-says-house-could-impeach-obama/

At a Texas open house, Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Tex.) cited disappointment regarding the outcome of President Obama's birth certificate reveal and said House Republicans could drum up enough votes to impeach him.

"I think unfortunately the House is already out of the barn on this, on the whole birth certificate issue," he said. "The original Congress, when his eligibility came up, should have looked into it and they didn't. I'm not sure how we fix it."

Farenthold posed his own hypothetical solution: "If we were to impeach the president tomorrow, you could probably get the votes in the House of Representatives to do it. But it would go to the Senate and he wouldn't be convicted."

Though the White House published Obama's long-form birth certificate in April 2011, Farenthold is not alone in his frustration. Last year's Washington Post-ABC News poll found that a third of self-identified Republicans and conservatives suspected or believed that the president was born outside the United States. Though interest in the topic comes in waves, Donald Trump, who never left the issue, attempted to revive the campaign against Obama's legitimacy as an American-born citizen in an interview with ABC's "This Week."

[DCBob]

16. Yep, I think thats their goal now that they know they cant stop Obamacare.

It wont get past the Senate but they might get some sick perverted thrill from passing it in the House.

[lostincalifornia]

13. Impeach him on what grounds? That the Congress isn't doing their job? I don't think so. However,

if the President raises the debt ceiling without Congress through the 14th amendment, that is another issue, and I suspect they will try to impeach him, but that will not go anywhere

Frankly, it should be obvious to most people by now the rethugs have been trying to destroy the economy since Obama took office.

Perhaps its time to bring them up on ethics charges

[DCBob]

15. If he raised the debt ceiling via 14th amendment or some other extreme/untested mechanism..

then they could claim he is abusing the power of his office. Of course the Senate wont go for it but the House could pass it.

[lostincalifornia]

28. That is a possibility. If that happens they may try to also take it to the Supreme Court to rule if

It is constitutional for the president to do it

[sendero]

18. Make my day...

.... this impeachment will be as (un)popular as Clinton's was, actually even way less popular because of the "reason" for it. I hope they do it, they are shooting their idiot selves in the head and they are too fucking stupid to know it.

[Politicalboi]

26. And it will drag out

To the 2014 election. If more people are behind Obama, the GOP will lose so bad in 2014, we "might" actually feel sorry for them.

[RC]

33. It is well past time to be bringing ethics charged against the 30 or 40 House members that managed

to shut down the government.

[freshwest]

36. Only the GOP majority could bring themselves up on ethnics charges. They kept Issa. They have none.

So I predict this will idea would not work for that reason. Also, they can argue they are doing the will of the people that voted for them. And they are, sad to say.

[robinlynne]

27. It has worked every other time. Let's hope he stands firm this time.

[Brigid]

14. "The threat of Obamacare?"

Oh good Lord, Bonehead.

[4dsc]

17. There is nothing to negotiate

that is all Boehner needs to know/

[Botany]

22. Egg Zac Lee

The time to negotiate about the A.C.A. was when it was a bill not now that
it is a law and if Boner and the republicans do not like the law they can
work on getting it over turned by the following:

Win some elections and then have a new bill passed that overturns the
A.C.A. and then have a new President sign that bill so that it becomes a
law.

Go before the Supreme Court and argue the A.C.A. un-Constitutional and have
it (the A.C.A.) struck down.

..... Oh Boner and company already tried that.

[cvoogt]

38. Yup

the GOP.. the party of "law and order" except it has to be THEIR laws and THEIR order only, and if it deviates, call the WAAAAAHMBULANCE!!

[strategery blunder]

24. Yep, the time to negotiate was when Blue Dogs were watering down Obamacare

for the rethuglicans.

They had plenty of negotiating leverage then.

But they sat there and let their corporate friends/infiltrators amongst the Democratic Party water it down, all the while proceeding to obstruct as long as they could, and then when it finally did pass, it did so with not a single R vote.

Now they're trying legislative extortion to repeal it but how quickly do they forget we have been through this before with the debt ceiling, in 2011, there has been an intervening election since, during which the voters ratified Obamacare on it being a huge campaign issue. SCOTUS also OKed it.

The Rs have nothing except shooting the hostage--because Obama knows the hostage will not be released no matter what he does. The Rs proved that in 2011. And if Rs shoot the hostage, may the Dems never, ever let them forget and attach a permanent label to the thugs as Traitors to the Country.

[Sunlei]

20. I think he's more reasonable when he's a little drunk & not when he longs for a binge.

Call for a vote on a clean bill and we'll let you off for your traditional five day weekend, Boehner.

[NickB79]

21. I love Sen. Schumer's response to The Boner

Responding to Boehner’s appearance, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., challenged Boehner to test his claim that the votes aren’t there to reopen the government.

“Let me issue him a friendly challenge: put it on the floor Monday or Tuesday,” Schumer said on “This Week.” “Speaker Boehner, just vote.”

He also rejected Boehner’s request for negotiations until or unless House leaders agree to end the shutdown and raise the debt limit.

“This is playing with fire. And we are happy to negotiate, but we want to negotiate without a gun to our head,” Schumer said.

[Xolodno]

23. Collapse the US economy...and the world economy over...

.....wait for it

.....wait for it

.....wait for it

A healthcare bill that requires people to buy health insurance?

And....they think it will be a failure.

If it was "just so bad" of a bill...then let it take its course. Eventually people will be pissed and demand it to be repealed.

This just makes them look worse.

This almost guarantee's the 14th amendment will be used....and I bet they will impeach him on those grounds...which the Senate will shut down.

I have to wonder, because they managed to snag the presidency after Clinton and his impeachment, they think they can do it again. Problem is...this isn't about a blow job and the President fibbing about it. This is about the GOP doing the unthinkable.

[DCBob]

25. The President wont do anything like 14th amendment until the shit begins to hit the fan..

by then the GOPers will probably cave but it could get ugly.

[NastyRiffraff]

29. We do not negotiate with terrorists...

should be Obama's reply to this garbage.

Boehner and his Republican friends are doing as much damage as any terrorist without actually killing and maiming.

[liberal N proud]

30. Taking the money then demanding the baby.

The President of the United States of America does not negotiate wit terrorist. Even stupid ones.

[Thinkingabout]

31. Boehner is Speaker of the House, he needs to assume his position and lead the House to

Pass a CR which has a chance of passing the Senate. Boehner needs to stop catering to Dictator Wannabe Cruz and put a clean CS on the floor.

[Politicub]

34. Boehner is a traitorous scumbag

He wants to bankrupt the country unless he gets concessions.

He is a domestic terrorist.

[blkmusclmachine]

37. DEFAULT! DEFAULT! DEFAULT!

On Fox News in 3 - 2 - 1 ...

[DeSwiss]

39. Death Throes.

Cheney had it right, only it wasn't the foreign terrorists he was talking about, it was the domestic ones in his own party.

“I and my members decided that the threat of Obamacare and what was happening was so important that it was time for us to take a stand.''

- They KNOW that this is it. If they lose here, all is lost. Well, all is lost.

K&R

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[Leontius]

40. "in conversations with" is not breaking a deal

the facts of what is happening here are bad enough no need to conflate.