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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 04:50 PM Jul 2013

Intelligence Chief Apologizes to Senate for 'Erroneous' Statement on NSA Data Collection

Source: Associated Press / Raw Story

@BreakingNews: RT @breakingpol: Intelligence chief apologizes to Senate for 'erroneous' statement on NSA data collection - @AP

Intelligence chief James Clapper apologizes to Congress for ‘erroneous’ NSA claims

By Dan Roberts, The Guardian
Monday, July 1, 2013 21:31 EDT

The US director of national intelligence, James Clapper, has attempted to head off criticism that he lied to Congress over the extent of government surveillance on American citizens, with a letter to senators in which he apologised for giving “erroneous” information.

Two weeks after telling NBC news that he gave the “least untruthful answer possible” at a hearing in March, Clapper wrote to the Senate intelligence committee to correct his response to a question about whether the National Security Agency “collected data on millions of Americans”.

During the orginal hearing on 12 March, Clapper answered “no, sir,” to a question by Senator Ron Wyden. It emerged later that Wyden had given him 24 hours notice of the question, and after the session ended, offered him an opportunity to correct it, which was declined.

After disclosures by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden detailing the collection of millions of American phone records, pressure grew on Clapper to clarify his remarks. In an interview with Andrea Mitchell of MSNBC, portions of which were first broadcast on 9 June, after Snowden’s leaks first emerged in the Guardian, Clapper explained the apparent inconsistency as a ploy to avoid revealing classified information.


Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/01/intelligence-chief-james-clapper-apologizes-to-congress-for-erroneous-nsa-claims



http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dni-chief-apologizes-erroneous-answer-nsa

DNI CHIEF APOLOGIZES FOR 'ERRONEOUS' ANSWER ON NSA

By KIMBERLY DOZIER
— Jul. 2 4:56 PM EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) — National Intelligence Director James Clapper is apologizing for telling Congress earlier this year that the National Security Agency does not collect data on millions of Americans.

In a letter to Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein, Clapper says his answer was "clearly erroneous."

Leaks by NSA systems analyst Edward Snowden have revealed the NSA's sweeping data collection of U.S. phone records and some Internet traffic every day, though U.S. intelligence officials have said the programs are aimed at targeting foreigners and terrorist suspects overseas.

Clapper was asked in March if the NSA gathered "any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans." He answered that it didn't happen wittingly.
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Intelligence Chief Apologizes to Senate for 'Erroneous' Statement on NSA Data Collection (Original Post) Hissyspit Jul 2013 OP
You lied, you prick! Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #1
Yeah he did. reflection Jul 2013 #14
If Obama had a problem with him, he wouldn't be there. lark Jul 2013 #26
*sigh* Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #41
I used to think perjury was significant and should, in addition to being a crime, result in 24601 Jul 2013 #15
Laws are for peons like you and me Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #40
Agree that I would be held accountable. But after I win powerball, watch out. Of course my long- 24601 Jul 2013 #50
Here's a link alsame Jul 2013 #2
Unless his sorry ass is kicked out the door, this is meaningless. PSPS Jul 2013 #3
If scribbling with chalk is indictable crime - then truedelphi Jul 2013 #5
He lied to Congress, right? Shouldn't there be the possibility of prison time, too? deurbano Jul 2013 #7
Not when he -- literally -- has their number. RufusTFirefly Jul 2013 #12
It is perjury. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #9
No, no it's just a misunderstanding. He didnt understand "is data collected" to mean "is data rhett o rick Jul 2013 #24
That darn pole-dancer lovin' traitor forced the NSA to tell the truth to Congress!! n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2013 #4
And when nothing comes of this... SHRED Jul 2013 #6
Sorry I tried to squash democracy, oh, and, down with democracy. Festivito Jul 2013 #8
I guess he isn't Barry Bonds n2doc Jul 2013 #10
Sounds like Clapper should be reassigned to the crapper. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #11
We must give credit where credit is due and say that Andrea Mitchell did her part rhett o rick Jul 2013 #13
That Mrs Greenspan is another Tom Paine. Feel the pride. byeya Jul 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author RufusTFirefly Jul 2013 #17
Andrea is COMCASTIC! Octafish Jul 2013 #20
I like the COMCASTIC. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #21
"Comcastic" = + + + byeya Jul 2013 #42
How about COMGASMIC ? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #43
"No, Sir" formercia Jul 2013 #18
All is forgiven because Clapper's got the Senate call girl records on his iPhone. Octafish Jul 2013 #19
Looks like "meta-data" got the best of Gov Spitzer. I wonder how many are "playing ball". nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #22
I was hoping the DC Madam would have her day in an open court. Octafish Jul 2013 #27
Disgusting, isn't it? n/t Psephos Jul 2013 #53
Clapper should resign Joey Liberal Jul 2013 #23
Is it me or are the deniers getting quieter? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #25
+1 nashville_brook Jul 2013 #30
I was wrong. The are concentrated in the hatred of Snowden and Greenwald posts. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #37
Snowden and Greenwald sure bring out the sickos byeya Jul 2013 #44
The words "I'm sorry" just don't cut it Lonr Jul 2013 #28
Fuck it no. Apology not accepted. Everyone involved needs to be prosecuted n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #29
Umm...isn't lying to Congress a FELONY? NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #31
Sadly the Republicans think so if it is a Democrat lying, but the Democrats, as a whole rhett o rick Jul 2013 #32
Yes, and that is why he is correcting the record regarding the clearly erroneous statement Coyotl Jul 2013 #34
What a weasel. /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #33
Well, Well - The NSA Had To Fess Up - Seems Snowden Was Right All Along cantbeserious Jul 2013 #35
So he is going to get away with his lies by just saying he's sorry? totodeinhere Jul 2013 #36
Lying is a way of life in the US - Lying OK for bigwigs - whole war based on lies askeptic Jul 2013 #38
He's super sorry with a cherry on top. nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #39
I never believe or accept an apology from a liar nolabels Jul 2013 #45
Why does the rule of law apply to Snowden and not Clapper? MsPithy Jul 2013 #46
Snowden lied. Clapper made an error. Have I got that straight?... truth2power Jul 2013 #47
Clapper kisses emperors ring, Snowden say's he is not ashamed nolabels Jul 2013 #51
And our leaders are outraged, and they slapped down contempt of congress citations, and then they... Android3.14 Jul 2013 #48
Dear Senators, I'm sorry that I got caught ... I mean lied ... DAMNIT! I mean misspoke! Ian_rd Jul 2013 #49
LIE blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #52

lark

(23,103 posts)
26. If Obama had a problem with him, he wouldn't be there.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jul 2013

That Obama supports him tells us what we need to know.

24601

(3,962 posts)
15. I used to think perjury was significant and should, in addition to being a crime, result in
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 05:33 PM
Jul 2013

loss of a federal position.

But that was before 1998. Then the Senate adopted a different standard. If you are not going to hold the highest official in government accountable, it makes no sense to go after those in lower positions.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
40. Laws are for peons like you and me
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jul 2013

Shit like this makes it harder and harder to get up in the morning.

24601

(3,962 posts)
50. Agree that I would be held accountable. But after I win powerball, watch out. Of course my long-
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jul 2013

term retirement strategy may have a flaw....

alsame

(7,784 posts)
2. Here's a link
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 04:52 PM
Jul 2013
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/01/intelligence-chief-james-clapper-apologizes-to-congress-for-erroneous-nsa-claims/

The US director of national intelligence, James Clapper, has attempted to head off criticism that he lied to Congress over the extent of government surveillance on American citizens, with a letter to senators in which he apologised for giving “erroneous” information.

Two weeks after telling NBC news that he gave the “least untruthful answer possible” at a hearing in March, Clapper wrote to the Senate intelligence committee to correct his response to a question about whether the National Security Agency “collected data on millions of Americans”.

During the orginal hearing on 12 March, Clapper answered “no, sir,” to a question by Senator Ron Wyden. It emerged later that Wyden had given him 24 hours notice of the question, and after the session ended, offered him an opportunity to correct it, which was declined.

After disclosures by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden detailing the collection of millions of American phone records, pressure grew on Clapper to clarify his remarks. In an interview with Andrea Mitchell of MSNBC, portions of which were first broadcast on 9 June, after Snowden’s leaks first emerged in the Guardian, Clapper explained the apparent inconsistency as a ploy to avoid revealing classified information.

PSPS

(13,600 posts)
3. Unless his sorry ass is kicked out the door, this is meaningless.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jul 2013

They (he and the rest of this heinously corrupt government) will just say or do anything to survive this outrage, hoping something, such as this nonsense, "sticks."

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
5. If scribbling with chalk is indictable crime - then
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jul 2013

Why are these A-holes who lie to congress getting a free pass? In the old days, when the Senate and The House members were not so beholden to their Corporate Masters, these people would be impeached. (Clapper, Geithner, Bernanke, etc.)

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
7. He lied to Congress, right? Shouldn't there be the possibility of prison time, too?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jul 2013

Seems that's just for those who expose the lies and reveal the truth...

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
12. Not when he -- literally -- has their number.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jul 2013

Anyone who attempts to bring him to justice will be vilified a la Snowden.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
24. No, no it's just a misunderstanding. He didnt understand "is data collected" to mean "is data
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jul 2013

collected". He thought Sen Wyden meant "do you personally listen to every phone call." Easy to see where the misunderstanding could happen. Of course Sen Wyden gave him the question prior to the hearing and then asked if he wanted to change his answer after the hearing. Clapper found Ms. Corp-Media-Mitchell more receptive than nasty ole Wyden.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
6. And when nothing comes of this...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jul 2013

...the corruption of the system will be reinforced.

Lying us into war.
Wall St criminals laughing all the way to the bank...etc...etc...

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
8. Sorry I tried to squash democracy, oh, and, down with democracy.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jul 2013

I would not tell you before and I will not tell you now.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. We must give credit where credit is due and say that Andrea Mitchell did her part
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jul 2013

in allowing Clapper to try to weasel his way out of the fire. She only asked the questions she was told to ask. Clapper inplied that there was a library of data (he didnt say who collected the data) that the NSA could gain access to. Ms. Mitchell didnt ask who collects the data and what kind of data and who has access other than the NSA. Clapper said he misunderstood the work "collected" from Sen Wyden, he thought he meant, "read". Ms. Mitchell just smiled thinking (let's go for martini's after, you buy).

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #13)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
20. Andrea is COMCASTIC!
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jul 2013

Her bosses also just happen to be one of the biggest domestic spy profiteers around. What a coincidence.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
19. All is forgiven because Clapper's got the Senate call girl records on his iPhone.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 05:59 PM
Jul 2013

Bet a guy could get five stars, if he wanted.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
27. I was hoping the DC Madam would have her day in an open court.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:55 PM
Jul 2013

But no. No need for all that at her trial.

So, after Deborah Jeane Palfrey was convicted and quickly died by a what must surely be suicide, somehow all her records that named a sitting US senator and other government officials disappeared from public review before all the numbers could be run down.

 

Lonr

(103 posts)
28. The words "I'm sorry" just don't cut it
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:55 PM
Jul 2013

when you lie to congress and the American people about illegal activity perpetrated by the NSA

NoodleyAppendage

(4,619 posts)
31. Umm...isn't lying to Congress a FELONY?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 07:18 PM
Jul 2013

I guess once you become the overlord of the fascist intelligence state you can get away with lying to Congress with a simple (yet strained) apology. Too bad for the rest of us mere morals that we would not be afforded the same consideration.

J

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. Sadly the Republicans think so if it is a Democrat lying, but the Democrats, as a whole
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 07:21 PM
Jul 2013

will probably let it slide.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
34. Yes, and that is why he is correcting the record regarding the clearly erroneous statement
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jul 2013

So, if Wyden wants to pursue this, all he needs now is for the Senate to concur, right?

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
36. So he is going to get away with his lies by just saying he's sorry?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 07:47 PM
Jul 2013

Why hasn't President Obama fired him?

askeptic

(478 posts)
38. Lying is a way of life in the US - Lying OK for bigwigs - whole war based on lies
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:54 PM
Jul 2013

We have policies and laws based on lies, (Drug war, anti-abortion, banking laws, foreign aid, torture, indefinite detention, etc. etc. etc.), and it has been the history of our nation.

The thing that'll really get you in trouble is telling the truth!

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
45. I never believe or accept an apology from a liar
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jul 2013

Mostly because it's just another lie in that effort to gain space to be able to tell another. It's cognitive dissonance to think that liars will just all of sudden come to their senses and somehow can now stop trying to deceive others. It's sort of like addiction to a substance, the brain will rely on it for it's crutch because the brain often gets lazy and is a easy shortcut to get from point A to B.

Really if you do accept it you are just another enabler perpetuating the behavior.

MsPithy

(809 posts)
46. Why does the rule of law apply to Snowden and not Clapper?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

Lying to congress is against the law, even if one is not under oath.

How can anyone be confident in the oversight of these spying programs if the overseers are being lied to?

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
47. Snowden lied. Clapper made an error. Have I got that straight?...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:51 PM
Jul 2013

Being part of the power-elite does have its privileges, don'cha know.

Pardon me while my head explodes.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
48. And our leaders are outraged, and they slapped down contempt of congress citations, and then they...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jul 2013

Actually, when faced with the bald-faced irrefutable evidence that the industrial military complex is smearing shit in their faces, our leaders did nothing. Congress is nothing but fuckin' dipshit coward lickspittle, broken sword, weak-ass nothings.
They are tools.

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