Girls excluded from 'Red Tails' field trip; Thousands of Texas schoolboys brought to see the film
Girls excluded from 'Red Tails' field trip; Thousands of Texas schoolboys brought to see the WWII filmFemale students stayed in classroom and watched 'Akeelah and the Bee'
One of the pilots is among those asking why.
A spokesman for the Dallas Independent School District said officials took only boys to see "Red Tails" Thursday because space at the movie theater was limited. Jon Dahlander told The Dallas Morning News that leaders of the district also thought boys would enjoy the movie more than girls.
"Red Tails" tells the story of the Tuskegee Airmen, the legendary pilots during World War II who become the first black aviators to serve in the U.S. military. The movie opened last month.
Some female students were shown a different movie instead: "Akeelah and the Bee," about an 11-year-old girl who competes in a national spelling bee.
Dahlander, who did not return several phone messages from The Associated Press, told the newspaper that the district often holds gender-specific events.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/girls-excluded-red-tails-field-trip-thousands-texas-schoolboys-brought-wwii-film-article-1.1020735#ixzz1m2BFg7ED
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)But only one kind of gender specific event merits mention in the NY daily news.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)And that makes it better how?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
obamanut2012
(26,166 posts)And has been for about ten years.
I think your point falls a bit flat.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)They do this despite the fact that the outcomes for girls are in every measurable way, superior to those of boys.
Boys outcomes suffer because:
a) boys frequently lack fathers at home, so they join gangs or do other risky things under the guidance of their peers.
b) boys rarely have role models in school, so they get the message that education isn't for them
c) their wellbeing is not an important social goal because there are no meaningful national educational programs targeted to them
So when a local school does something against that grain, we go all "ride of the valkryies" on 'em.
We're dredging the bottom of the outrage barrel when we're pissed because they spent $10 per kid to take at-risk boys to a movie.
obamanut2012
(26,166 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)obamanut2012
(26,166 posts)Thanks!
Scout
(8,624 posts)my experience so far has been that men didn't give a shit about organizing such for their sons, until after women had done same for their daughters. then the men started to cry and whine, but i thought you were for equaaaaaaaaaality.
if you HAVE organized a Take Your Son to Work Day, more power to you. why didn't you include the girls?
tanyev
(42,651 posts)who is practically guaranteed to be the GOP Presidential candidate, so it really would have been a waste of time and money to take the girls to see it. Besides, that would have been an awfully long time for girls to stay focused on such a complicated subject. Got it?
tech_smythe
(190 posts)granted I don't go looking for it either, so I know I miss alot.
what utter, complete, total BULLSHIT!
did it cross anyone's mind that :
1 - this is a HISTORICAL (ok Hollywood history) movie
2 - that it would inspire at least a couple of the girls that they'd like to join the air force!?
actually it's prolly #2 why they did this .... god forbid texas young women aspire to anything!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Could it be the fact that the movie is about...wait for it...black men? and the schools didn't want these girls ever seeing any?
Doremus
(7,261 posts)That's the first thing I thought of when I read the OP.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Dallas Independent School District is 95 percent students of color.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Thanks for the information.
(You'd think that they could save some money and arrange for the distributors to loan them a copy of the film for student-only viewing, which would have avoided this whole mess).
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There are private schools that are coordinated by gender. Some activities geared for boys, others for girls. Not sure that is inherently bad.
Also, why should the readers of the NY Daily News care about a field trip in a Dallas, TX school district?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Apparently the newspaper considered it worthy of printing.
For a reason that most people seem to have understood.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's not exactly a paragon of important journalism.
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dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Thank you for that clarification.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Why does it bother you that we're discussing this?
CTyankee
(63,914 posts)The rest of the movie had its problems. The opening was dreadful because of the script. Many of the characters were spouting stiff, unbelievable dialog. I kept wondering what stupid hack wrote this stuff...
The special effects were spectacular and the film got better as it went on.
I especially liked the way the black officers bucked their commanders. I
Overall, it was an inspiring film. One that could inspire anyone, male or female....
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)tawadi
(2,110 posts)First, the obvious segregation. Hello? Somebody really missed the whole point of the story.
Not only that but there are so many more useful things to do with $57,000. Some iPads or computers for the schools, maybe? Here's a thought, replacing the idiot who organized this field trip with someone who has a clue!
"The field trip to see "Red Tails" cost Dallas schools about $57,000, which came from federal funds for low-income students, the newspaper reported."
http://www.wsmv.com/story/16910455/schoolgirls-excluded-from-dallas-movie-screening
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)on ALL boys, and no low-income girls?
The Feds should get their money back.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)And there are many documentaries about the Tuskegee Airmen.
Here is one they could have bought for $5.98 on Amazon.com, in fact (http://www.amazon.com/Nightfighters-Story-Tuskegee-Airmen-Documentary/dp/B000005NQ4).
Nobody would have dared to waste 57K to take a group from any of my schools I attended to see a Hollywood movie. It's absurd and it's wasteful.
Pavlo
(42 posts)not let adversity get in their way. they had the best record of any air squadron in the war.
true heroes
SunSeeker
(51,777 posts)And waited a bit to buy the movie on DVD for $15--and let all the classrooms (boys and girls together) take turns watching it. I can understand that it is way more fun to see it on the big screen, but sheesh, not when schools are so strapped for essentials...like teachers. Maybe they could hire a teacher that could explain to them the ridiculous sexism they taught the kids by this whole "boys only" outing.
CTyankee
(63,914 posts)and Sasha. He oughta send somebody down to Dallas to give that guy a real dress-down...
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The low-income young ladies went to see a move about a spelling bee while the low income young boys went to see Red Tails. (From my local news boradcast last week when it happened...)
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)The movie is about segregation and yet they segregated the girls from the boys.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)As an Air Force "lifer" it is more than just a war movie, it is the story some of my service's most celebrated heroes. What pisses me off more, that level of sexism in an urban school district in the 21st century.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)I thought Akeelah and the Bee was a cute movie, but I don't think it was an important movie.
There are hundreds of movies about actual historic events that could have been shown.
Hell, "Titanic" is probably a more important film.
tech_smythe
(190 posts)it's about a little girl who wants into the world of pedo..er... jr miss pageants.
you see her entire family go on this crazy, dysfunctional trip and learn about each other and these pageants!
The ending, her final decision was really grown up and mature.
a great movie to show an impressionable young woman, because it exposes the dark side of beauty pageants for what they are!
and more importantly, its what's inside, and what you do with yourself with your own determination that matters.
obamanut2012
(26,166 posts)Although many girls would LOVE "Red Tails."
MADem
(135,425 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)They could and did fly everything.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)behind the cameras, writing the screenplays......
Men just usually think in terms of men.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)She has massive cred as a war film director now.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)There's some brilliance, right there!
Women Airforce Service Pilots
The Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP) and its predecessor groups the Women's Flying Training Detachment (WFTD) and the Women's Auxiliary Ferrying Squadron (WAFS) (from September 10, 1942) were pioneering organizations of civilian female pilots employed to fly military aircraft under the direction of the United States Army Air Forces during World War II. The WFTD and WAFS were combined on August 5, 1943, to create the paramilitary WASP organization. The female pilots of the WASP would end up numbering 1,074, each freeing a male pilot for combat service and duties. The WASP flew over 60 million miles in all, in every type of military aircraft.[1] WASPs were granted veteran status in 1977, and given the Congressional Gold Medal in 2009.[2]
Twenty-five thousand women applied to join the WASP, but only 1,830 were accepted and took the oath, and out of those only 1,074 women passed the training and joined.[1][3]
Contents
By the summer of 1941, the famous women pilots Jacqueline "Jackie" Cochran and test-pilot Nancy Harkness Love independently submitted proposals for the use of female pilots in non-combat missions to the US Army Air Forces (USAAF, the predecessor to the United States Air Force or USAF) after the outbreak of World War II in Europe.[4] The motivation was to free male pilots for combat roles by employing qualified female pilots on missions such as ferrying aircraft from factories to military bases, and towing drones and aerial targets. Leading into Pearl Harbor, General Henry H. "Hap" Arnold, commander of the USAAF, had turned down both Love's 1940 proposal and the proposal of the better connected and more famous Cochran despite unsubtle lobbying by Eleanor Roosevelt, but essentially promised command of any such effort to Cochran, should such a force be needed in the future.
While the U.S. was not yet fighting in the war, Cochran had gone to England to volunteer to fly for the Air Transport Auxiliary (ATA).[5] The ATA had been using female pilots since January 1940 and was starting to train new ones as well. The American women who flew in the ATA were the first American women to fly military aircraft.[5] They flew the Royal Air Force's front-line aircraftSpitfires, Typhoons, Hudsons, Mitchells, Blenheims, Oxfords, Walruses, and Sea Ottersin a non-combat role, but in combat-like conditions. Most of these women served the war in the ATA. In fact, only three members of the ATA returned to the U.S. to participate in the WASP program.
. . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)"Desperate Housewives?"
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)That's pretty much what had to happen with Red Tails to get around Hollywood pressure to give the cast a racelift.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...THIS is total BS!
PEACE!
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)But, yes, total B.S.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...it seems that the school district wants the boys to see a boy movie and the girls to see a girl movie. Maybe they'll want them to start wearing pink & blue.
PEACE!
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Have seen it twice. And I'm a woman. Must be something wrong with me....
AnnieBW
(10,471 posts)It's about as good as we can get until someone makes a movie about the WASPs.
A Brand New World
(1,119 posts)It kept my interest throughout which made it seem like it went fast. And I'm a female too! It doesn't seem right at all that the girls were excluded.
niyad
(113,714 posts)as others have posted, there is so much wrong with this that it is hard to know where to start--oh yes, getting this ass out of his job at once.
I don't go to any kind of war movies, regardless of the story, but that is MY personal preference. I would not allow anyone else to decide that I should not be allowed to go, nor would I allow anyone else to make that decision for anyone in my life. that jerk and I would have had a confrontation before that field trip ever got out of the planning stages.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)If the tickets were at a discount I can see transportation and other related costs making up the difference.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)5,700 students at ten bucks a ticket. That's not the least bit surprising, given that's roughly what movie tickets go for in most places.
It'd cost half again as much in my neck of the woods, actually.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...a special deal both for kids (half-price of adult) and for the sake of helping out the local school?
Of course, now I wonder if anyone is going to check and see if there was any connection between those taking the kids to the movies and those running the theaters. Because this sure sound like a scam to funnel tax dollars to friends or relatives or into a co-owned business!
If the aim was just to show this particular film--for historical reasons--to kids why not wait for the DVD or cable and show it to all the kids in their classrooms via tv's? I understand the idea of black history month for showing them the film, but either there's no common sense here or someone's trying to defraud the school.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...to take these kids to see this movie right away rather than wait till some arrangement could be made at a better price. All that money, and what did it buy these kids? Two hours of maybe enlightening entertainment rather than a new teacher or books or iPad or anything that could have lasted the school and many students for years.
quakerboy
(13,923 posts)that's $10 each.
That's about a movie ticket price, give or take. You would think they would get a bulk/educational discount, though.
If that includes the bus trip over, and chaperones for the outing, then its not as out of proportion as it sounds.
It still seems like a kinda bad idea for spending that big a chunk of cash.
And thats before we even get to the clear discrimination.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)the exhibitors aren't allowed to offer discounts, even bulk discounts. The distributors don't allow it. Discounts aren't usually allowed until the fourth week of release, and even then it usually comes out of the exhibitor's profits.
The theater's cut of that $57,000.00, by the way, would be $5,700.00.
niyad
(113,714 posts)guess they don't want to hear from anybody, no voicemail on the switchboard tonight. will have to call first thing monday.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)They may run right out and get themselves a black man too.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)But don't let that stand in the way of your theories.
Redstate Bluegirl
(213 posts)Screw them I've already seen it my father took me!
Igel
(35,383 posts)I do know that graduation rates, TAKS results, college attendance and a host of other problems afflict AA males at rates far higher than AA females. The literature is dripping with references to role models--the need to make sure that male AA students see adult AA males as teachers, as employers, as successful. White male role models don't count; black female role models don't count.
If women had the same kind of drop out rate as men do at the high school and college level there'd be an outcry and a call for gender-specific programs. We *have* gender-specific programs, but they're still for women. Some colleges are trying to institute male-specific programs but they're a hard sell.
So is it a coincidence that boys and girls are each given same-sex role models? Maybe. Maybe it is racist sexist stereotyping. Or maybe it's just responding to recent trends in the literature. Sometimes they really resemble each other.
tblue37
(65,503 posts)Still, such exclusion is unconscionable and clearly signals second class status for the girls.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)I don't know the details, but then that hasn't stopped anyone else on the thread getting outraged.The funds were for low income students. Like any other big city, Dallas has problems with gangs, and thre is certainly a perception (which I don't know if is true or not) that low-income boys do not have good role models in their lives and that is one reason why gangs are so popular. So along comes a film showing some great black role models. Is is possible that the school district thought, here is an inspiring film these kids should see, and might not see otherwise? Now, put on the spot, they can hardly come out and say that, can they? Is it just possible that their motives were not based on sexism or any other ism?
obviously, as a girl, I too would have been annoyed at being stick in the classroom while the boys went to the movies, but does everything really have to be an outrage?
roody
(10,849 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)For example, the vastly greater amount of money spent on boys' sports compared to girls' sports, or on sports in general compared to other activities. Or how the fact that 5700 boys got to go see a film and ten of thousands of others didn't? This just seems like a storm in a teacup to me.
Heathen57
(573 posts)thinking if that was what the district was trying to do. Plenty of girls are in gangs either as part of the main one, or a splinter All-Girl gang, and those girls can often be more viscous as the boys.
Those same girls have no role models as well. That is Hollywood's fault as much as any other, but there it is, just the same. And given the way those girls would be thinking (if they are in the gang life) they wouldn't associate well with a cute "girly" movie.
they would have been much better off taking both sexes and not be seen as to be as sexist as this reads. They would have enjoyed it as much as the boys, and might have learned about role models as well.
niyad
(113,714 posts)yes, when it is, in fact, an outrage.
this isn't even about girls being stuck in a classroom, it is about the mindset behind it. and, unfortunately, sexism is so pervasive that most people don't even see it.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)dmallind
(10,437 posts).... but VERY like our own, the professionally outraged are hyperventilating about forcing girls to watch a movie where all the heroes are male, women could not participate, and the subject is phallic weapons of war spitting out death in an ultimate display of patriarchal gender-role machismo, and bewailing that they couldn't be shown a movie with a female lead in a peaceful activity......
damned if you do, damned if you don't
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Just "Red Tails" ? I know there were some prior ones with similar names.
I'm trying to keep an eye open for when its released on DVD in the US so's I can order one for UK delivery.
GTurck
(826 posts)prepping for their new role as perpetual baby machines. (Snark intended). Fighting over contraception, abortion, and other ways to not have unwanted children does seem to be what the GOP is aiming for with the winner: ta da - sacred sperm.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)I heard that somewhere recently. I think it was from the leading candidate for president of the Republican party.
Oh, the movie is also about overcoming prejudice and bigotry. You don't want girls in Texas to learn anything about those subjects.
renie408
(9,854 posts)have to watch out for the middle.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)Joey Liberal
(5,526 posts)And while we are at it, let's give them Oklahoma too.
Paladin
(28,281 posts)Blanket trashing of a state or region may be easier to get away with on DU than it used to be---but that doesn't make it right.....
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)we have lots of water.
tooeyeten
(1,074 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)It doesn't matter where they are in the world, the person responsible for this is a dumbass with no sense of how to operate a large field trip.
Careful with region-bashing now. It's against DU rules.
tooeyeten
(1,074 posts)Have you not followed the decisions relative to education in Texas? It holds some kind of record.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)and that kind of dismissive statement often is seen exactly that way. Thus my warning to you.
I am guessing now that you also have not taken a look at my profile. I strongly suggest that you don't go assuming what I have or have not followed in my home state. The Texas forum on DU is one of the most popular state-forums on DU, and you're welcome to peruse it in order to better educate yourself on how up-to-date we all are with regards to the state of affairs in Texas.
tooeyeten
(1,074 posts)did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings. But having taught and knowing the history of education in the South and Texas with the infiltration of religion and the right, I was making a comment from my own experiences.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)missions. It's ironic that the school excluded girls from a movie their bigotry determined was unappealing to females.
niyad
(113,714 posts)there is one line that deserves to be howled at for its sheer stupidity:
Girls excluded from 'Red Tails' field trip; Thousands of Texas schoolboys brought to see the WWII film, and
A spokesman for the Dallas Independent School District said officials took only boys to see "Red Tails" Thursday because SPACE AT THE THEATER WAS LIMITED. Jon Dahlander told The Dallas Morning News that leaders of the district also thought boys would enjoy the movie more than girls.
okay, there was room for THOUSANDS of boys, but SPACE WAS LIMITED???????????
now, not being in dallas, I don't know how big any of their auditoriums are, but none of the ones I have ever been in around the country holds THOUSANDS. (maybe at a multiplex where ALL the screens were showing the same film, but come ON. even without all the other considerations, the idiot deserves to lose his job for coming up with such a lame, idiotic excuse for this crap.
another questions comes to mind--since this was, in essence, a "field trip", wouldn't parental consent be required? and wouldn't you think that SOME parents might have raised questions, if not outright objections? I didn't see anything to indicate that, though.
Kellerfeller
(397 posts)So let me get this straight. People are upset because the girls had to go to a movie about learning and academic success?
Shouldn't we be more upset that the boys DIDN'T.
From an academic standpoint, the Bee movie is a much better choice.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)That movie's been out on DVD forevah, they watched it at school. The boys got a field trip, the girls got left behind at school and somebody picked out a movie to keep them busy.
Also, tens of thousands of dollars were spent on the boys, the girls watched a movie you can redbox for a dollar. How's that fair?
reACTIONary
(5,790 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)kemah
(276 posts)Now the movie with John Wayne, Green Berets, that was a propaganda. It was banned in Europe.
kemah
(276 posts)I would take the male students one day and the next day the female students.
Rhiannon12866
(206,517 posts)Seems that too many people in this country are ignorant about hstory, as it is. They should have waited until it came out on DVD and included everybody, including the "spokesman," IMO...
primavera
(5,191 posts)They only need to know how to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, what possible use could they have for history?
Islandlife
(212 posts)There seems no concern for their plight.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)They aren't on the protected discriminated against list.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)I feel sorry for the sane Texans who have to live with this crap.
Great Caesars Ghost
(532 posts)I would've said the hell with it, I'll just download it on computer.
HotRodTuna
(114 posts)As far as a war movie vs a spelling bee movie, the girls would all most likely prefer the latter. The real issue seems to be the fun of getting out of school. If there's another instance of them getting to go to a show while the boys stay in, then it seems pretty even to me. Most girls I know aren't too hyped on war movies.
This is probably much more to do with the school admins thinking the boys could relate to the characters in the films and be inspired by them, as a group, more than the girls. The girls got to see a movie they most likely could relate to more.
rainbow4321
(9,974 posts)There is so much fall out over the initial movie going that I am pretty sure a) it would have been reported and b) the district is trying to quickly move on. Last local report I read was that the TEA was investigating the whole mess. TEA had already warned the district a WEEK before they pulled this stunt that the agency was scrutinzing how the district was possibly misspent fed funds...and then the movie going news broke with the district announcing that same day that the TEA had approved it, with the TEA immedlately going "uh, NO, we did not"
On a related note..the school district I live in (my kids graduated several years ago but I still read articles about the district) actually invited and had one of the airmen come TO their campus to speak to a group of at-risk kids this past week. And there is a small group of the airmen who will be visiting the local VA facility this week.
So we now have 2 local organizations that will give audiences a genuine lesson in the airmen...as opposed to DISD spending over 50K on a glamorized movie version.