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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 09:54 PM Feb 2012

Girls excluded from 'Red Tails' field trip; Thousands of Texas schoolboys brought to see the film

Girls excluded from 'Red Tails' field trip; Thousands of Texas schoolboys brought to see the WWII film
Female students stayed in classroom and watched 'Akeelah and the Bee'


One of the pilots is among those asking why.

A spokesman for the Dallas Independent School District said officials took only boys to see "Red Tails" Thursday because space at the movie theater was limited. Jon Dahlander told The Dallas Morning News that leaders of the district also thought boys would enjoy the movie more than girls.

"Red Tails" tells the story of the Tuskegee Airmen, the legendary pilots during World War II who become the first black aviators to serve in the U.S. military. The movie opened last month.

Some female students were shown a different movie instead: "Akeelah and the Bee," about an 11-year-old girl who competes in a national spelling bee.

Dahlander, who did not return several phone messages from The Associated Press, told the newspaper that the district often holds gender-specific events.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/girls-excluded-red-tails-field-trip-thousands-texas-schoolboys-brought-wwii-film-article-1.1020735#ixzz1m2BFg7ED
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Girls excluded from 'Red Tails' field trip; Thousands of Texas schoolboys brought to see the film (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Feb 2012 OP
"told the newspaper that the district often holds gender-specific events" lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #1
So, they're admitting to doing things like this OFTEN. pnwmom Feb 2012 #5
Maybe they did it on take your daughter to work day. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #7
They probably only let people bring their sons for that one. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #18
Except it is "Take Our Daughters and Sons to Work Day" obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #69
The federal government funds "The Women's Educational Equity Program" lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #73
Thank you for admitting I was right!!! obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #75
"Right"? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #76
Yes, I was right obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #95
wah wah wah ... did you get off your ass and organize a Take Your Son to Work Day? Scout Feb 2012 #104
Well, see, women can only fly small planes according to Rick Santorum tanyev Feb 2012 #2
Oh wow, that's some of the most blatant sexism i've seen in a while tech_smythe Feb 2012 #3
Really Really REALLY scary thought: Ken Burch Feb 2012 #19
Not to mention the bi-racial love affair that's a centerpiece of the movie. Doremus Feb 2012 #26
it's probably one of those "the principal read too many Kyle Onstott novels" things. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #28
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about oberliner Feb 2012 #61
Then it makes even less sense that they'd do that. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #79
I don't know oberliner Feb 2012 #80
why should the readers of the NY Daily News care about a field trip in a Dallas, TX school district? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #81
Are you familiar with the NY Daily News? oberliner Feb 2012 #82
ohh. now I get your comment in context. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #83
Can't answer that. But I can ask this: Ken Burch Feb 2012 #92
I loved that part of the film. It was so sweet and lovely...and they were a handsome couple. CTyankee Feb 2012 #58
+1 Scuba Feb 2012 #51
Oh yeah. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #57
There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin tawadi Feb 2012 #4
Why did they spend funds designated for low income students pnwmom Feb 2012 #6
Good question tawadi Feb 2012 #9
A great group of men that did Pavlo Feb 2012 #17
They could have spent the 57k hiring a teacher for a year-- SunSeeker Feb 2012 #16
I hope Obama learns of this. I can just see the outrage he would have, thinking about Malia CTyankee Feb 2012 #59
The young ladies went to see a move about a spelling bee. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #100
I thought the same thing. unapatriciated Feb 2012 #84
This district put a spelling bee on the same level as Chappy James fighting racism and fascism? gejohnston Feb 2012 #8
Especially since one is 100% fiction XemaSab Feb 2012 #30
Little miss sunshine... tech_smythe Feb 2012 #39
Or Iron-Jawed Angels obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #71
This is so wrong, on so many levels. NT MADem Feb 2012 #10
There should be a film about the WASPS. Downwinder Feb 2012 #11
that probly won't happen until more women get into the director's chair BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #12
Kathryn Bigelow could probably get a WASPS movie greenlighted Ken Burch Feb 2012 #21
OMG, yes! The Hurt Locker was SUPERB BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #53
WASPS niyad Feb 2012 #20
After the war they went on to open new fields. Downwinder Feb 2012 #29
Haha, my first thought was XemaSab Feb 2012 #31
There should be, but someone'd have to fund it out of their own pocket, most likely Posteritatis Feb 2012 #32
While "Akeelah..." is a GREAT movie,... MarianJack Feb 2012 #13
It is really good. Hissyspit Feb 2012 #37
On second thought of this issue,... MarianJack Feb 2012 #93
wow. I liked Red Tails abelenkpe Feb 2012 #14
I loved it, too AnnieBW Feb 2012 #15
I loved it too. It's one of a very few movies that I was surprised when it was over. A Brand New World Feb 2012 #25
how in the HELL did it cost 57k to take a lot of boys to the movies? niyad Feb 2012 #22
How did it cost 57K? Well, you know, there's popcorn and drinks and ya gotta have candy.... Moonwalk Feb 2012 #24
The tickets alone could hit that price easily Posteritatis Feb 2012 #34
The very first sentence of the article answers that question Posteritatis Feb 2012 #33
Why would a movie theater charge full price under such circumstances....? Wouldn't they strike.... Moonwalk Feb 2012 #63
The distributors forbid theaters from offering discounts on new releases. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2012 #72
Ugh! Fire whoever arranged this. They wasted 57K to no good purpose! There was no friggin' reason... Moonwalk Feb 2012 #88
with 5,700 students going quakerboy Feb 2012 #35
For newly released films like "Red Tails" Pab Sungenis Feb 2012 #56
gosh, to look at their website, one couldn't tell they are a bunch of sexist jerks. niyad Feb 2012 #23
Can't let their innocent girls be sullied by watching the bi-racial love affair in the movie. Doremus Feb 2012 #27
Dallas Independent School District is 95 percent students of color oberliner Feb 2012 #62
Texas makes Missouri look like New York Redstate Bluegirl Feb 2012 #36
Don't know their thinking. Igel Feb 2012 #38
I have heard the movie is embarrassingly bad, so maybe the girls got the better deal. tblue37 Feb 2012 #40
OK I'm gonna be devil's advocate PaulaFarrell Feb 2012 #41
It is basically not fair nor just. roody Feb 2012 #42
there are things a lot more unfair and unjust in public education PaulaFarrell Feb 2012 #45
That would be wrong-headed Heathen57 Feb 2012 #46
"does everything really have to be an outrage?" niyad Feb 2012 #70
You're missing the point! It was $10 per kid!!!! Release the hounds! n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #74
Beyond Absurd Sherman A1 Feb 2012 #43
Somewhere in an alternate universe dmallind Feb 2012 #44
+1 a2liberal Feb 2012 #87
Is that the exact name of the new film ? dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #47
Might be... GTurck Feb 2012 #48
The movie is about combat and flying fighters. Women aren't emotional suited to that. tclambert Feb 2012 #49
It's the middle. I have a friend who will tell you that either coast is OK, but you renie408 Feb 2012 #50
what fuck is going on? a war against women? madrchsod Feb 2012 #52
YES niyad Feb 2012 #67
We need to give Texas back to Mexico Joey Liberal Feb 2012 #54
And You Need To Remember That 3.5 Million Texans Voted For Obama. Paladin Feb 2012 #55
well we could use some more democrats here in northern il. plus... madrchsod Feb 2012 #60
It's Texas n/t tooeyeten Feb 2012 #64
No, it's a dumbass running a school district. kentauros Feb 2012 #85
what? tooeyeten Feb 2012 #102
Your response can still be construed as region-bashing kentauros Feb 2012 #103
certainly tooeyeten Feb 2012 #106
Red Tails is about bigotry stopping the military from giving minority pilots the opportunity to fly abelenkpe Feb 2012 #65
apart from the gender discrimination, the sheer sexism and obvious stupidity of the event-- niyad Feb 2012 #66
Boys excluded from 'Akeelah and the Bee' field trip; Thousands of Texas schools girls brought Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #68
That wasn't a field trip. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #78
Guess they didn't know "women are capable of flying small planes" n/t reACTIONary Feb 2012 #77
War propaganda for boys only. No one should be forced to see war propaganda! nt valerief Feb 2012 #86
This is history, not propaganda. kemah Feb 2012 #90
As a retired teacher I would not take a coed teen age crowd to a movie. I would make two trips. kemah Feb 2012 #89
Girls don't need to know about history?! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2012 #91
Of course not! primavera Feb 2012 #99
What about the boys who were restricted from seeing Kayla and the bee? Islandlife Feb 2012 #94
Don't hold your breath Zax2me Feb 2012 #96
They're destined to become homophobic Republican Senators. sofa king Feb 2012 #97
There are simply no words to describe the profundity of their stupidity lunatica Feb 2012 #98
If I was one of the girls Great Caesars Ghost Feb 2012 #101
I'd like to know if the girls have ever gotten to go to the movies HotRodTuna Feb 2012 #105
Nope...and it definitely would have been reported locally had they gone rainbow4321 Feb 2012 #107
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
1. "told the newspaper that the district often holds gender-specific events"
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 09:57 PM
Feb 2012

But only one kind of gender specific event merits mention in the NY daily news.

obamanut2012

(26,166 posts)
69. Except it is "Take Our Daughters and Sons to Work Day"
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
Feb 2012

And has been for about ten years.

I think your point falls a bit flat.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
73. The federal government funds "The Women's Educational Equity Program"
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:03 PM
Feb 2012
The department of education grants federal tax money to educational programs intended to improve the outcomes of girls in education.

They do this despite the fact that the outcomes for girls are in every measurable way, superior to those of boys.

Boys outcomes suffer because:
a) boys frequently lack fathers at home, so they join gangs or do other risky things under the guidance of their peers.
b) boys rarely have role models in school, so they get the message that education isn't for them
c) their wellbeing is not an important social goal because there are no meaningful national educational programs targeted to them

So when a local school does something against that grain, we go all "ride of the valkryies" on 'em.

We're dredging the bottom of the outrage barrel when we're pissed because they spent $10 per kid to take at-risk boys to a movie.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
104. wah wah wah ... did you get off your ass and organize a Take Your Son to Work Day?
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 01:01 AM
Feb 2012

my experience so far has been that men didn't give a shit about organizing such for their sons, until after women had done same for their daughters. then the men started to cry and whine, but i thought you were for equaaaaaaaaaality.

if you HAVE organized a Take Your Son to Work Day, more power to you. why didn't you include the girls?

tanyev

(42,651 posts)
2. Well, see, women can only fly small planes according to Rick Santorum
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:01 PM
Feb 2012

who is practically guaranteed to be the GOP Presidential candidate, so it really would have been a waste of time and money to take the girls to see it. Besides, that would have been an awfully long time for girls to stay focused on such a complicated subject. Got it?

 

tech_smythe

(190 posts)
3. Oh wow, that's some of the most blatant sexism i've seen in a while
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:03 PM
Feb 2012

granted I don't go looking for it either, so I know I miss alot.

what utter, complete, total BULLSHIT!
did it cross anyone's mind that :

1 - this is a HISTORICAL (ok Hollywood history) movie

2 - that it would inspire at least a couple of the girls that they'd like to join the air force!?

actually it's prolly #2 why they did this .... god forbid texas young women aspire to anything!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
19. Really Really REALLY scary thought:
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:40 PM
Feb 2012

Could it be the fact that the movie is about...wait for it...black men? and the schools didn't want these girls ever seeing any?

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
26. Not to mention the bi-racial love affair that's a centerpiece of the movie.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:05 AM
Feb 2012

That's the first thing I thought of when I read the OP.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
61. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:19 PM
Feb 2012

Dallas Independent School District is 95 percent students of color.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
79. Then it makes even less sense that they'd do that.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:32 PM
Feb 2012

Thanks for the information.

(You'd think that they could save some money and arrange for the distributors to loan them a copy of the film for student-only viewing, which would have avoided this whole mess).

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
80. I don't know
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:48 PM
Feb 2012

There are private schools that are coordinated by gender. Some activities geared for boys, others for girls. Not sure that is inherently bad.

Also, why should the readers of the NY Daily News care about a field trip in a Dallas, TX school district?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
81. why should the readers of the NY Daily News care about a field trip in a Dallas, TX school district?
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:39 PM
Feb 2012

Apparently the newspaper considered it worthy of printing.
For a reason that most people seem to have understood.


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
82. Are you familiar with the NY Daily News?
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:42 PM
Feb 2012

It's not exactly a paragon of important journalism.

Featured stories listed alongside this one include:

Chelsea Handler: I don't regret abortion at 16

and

Stalk of the Town: Cashman gal pal Louise Neathway tormented N.J. man for 2 years

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
58. I loved that part of the film. It was so sweet and lovely...and they were a handsome couple.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 11:19 AM
Feb 2012

The rest of the movie had its problems. The opening was dreadful because of the script. Many of the characters were spouting stiff, unbelievable dialog. I kept wondering what stupid hack wrote this stuff...

The special effects were spectacular and the film got better as it went on.

I especially liked the way the black officers bucked their commanders. I


Overall, it was an inspiring film. One that could inspire anyone, male or female....

tawadi

(2,110 posts)
4. There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:06 PM
Feb 2012

First, the obvious segregation. Hello? Somebody really missed the whole point of the story.

Not only that but there are so many more useful things to do with $57,000. Some iPads or computers for the schools, maybe? Here's a thought, replacing the idiot who organized this field trip with someone who has a clue!


"The field trip to see "Red Tails" cost Dallas schools about $57,000, which came from federal funds for low-income students, the newspaper reported."

http://www.wsmv.com/story/16910455/schoolgirls-excluded-from-dallas-movie-screening

pnwmom

(109,021 posts)
6. Why did they spend funds designated for low income students
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:08 PM
Feb 2012

on ALL boys, and no low-income girls?

The Feds should get their money back.

tawadi

(2,110 posts)
9. Good question
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:14 PM
Feb 2012

And there are many documentaries about the Tuskegee Airmen.

Here is one they could have bought for $5.98 on Amazon.com, in fact (http://www.amazon.com/Nightfighters-Story-Tuskegee-Airmen-Documentary/dp/B000005NQ4).

Nobody would have dared to waste 57K to take a group from any of my schools I attended to see a Hollywood movie. It's absurd and it's wasteful.

 

Pavlo

(42 posts)
17. A great group of men that did
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:38 PM
Feb 2012

not let adversity get in their way. they had the best record of any air squadron in the war.
true heroes

SunSeeker

(51,777 posts)
16. They could have spent the 57k hiring a teacher for a year--
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:34 PM
Feb 2012

And waited a bit to buy the movie on DVD for $15--and let all the classrooms (boys and girls together) take turns watching it. I can understand that it is way more fun to see it on the big screen, but sheesh, not when schools are so strapped for essentials...like teachers. Maybe they could hire a teacher that could explain to them the ridiculous sexism they taught the kids by this whole "boys only" outing.

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
59. I hope Obama learns of this. I can just see the outrage he would have, thinking about Malia
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 11:21 AM
Feb 2012

and Sasha. He oughta send somebody down to Dallas to give that guy a real dress-down...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
100. The young ladies went to see a move about a spelling bee.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 05:08 PM
Feb 2012

The low-income young ladies went to see a move about a spelling bee while the low income young boys went to see Red Tails. (From my local news boradcast last week when it happened...)

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
84. I thought the same thing.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:12 PM
Feb 2012

The movie is about segregation and yet they segregated the girls from the boys.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
8. This district put a spelling bee on the same level as Chappy James fighting racism and fascism?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:14 PM
Feb 2012

As an Air Force "lifer" it is more than just a war movie, it is the story some of my service's most celebrated heroes. What pisses me off more, that level of sexism in an urban school district in the 21st century.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
30. Especially since one is 100% fiction
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:22 AM
Feb 2012

I thought Akeelah and the Bee was a cute movie, but I don't think it was an important movie.

There are hundreds of movies about actual historic events that could have been shown.

Hell, "Titanic" is probably a more important film.

 

tech_smythe

(190 posts)
39. Little miss sunshine...
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:20 AM
Feb 2012

it's about a little girl who wants into the world of pedo..er... jr miss pageants.
you see her entire family go on this crazy, dysfunctional trip and learn about each other and these pageants!

The ending, her final decision was really grown up and mature.

a great movie to show an impressionable young woman, because it exposes the dark side of beauty pageants for what they are!

and more importantly, its what's inside, and what you do with yourself with your own determination that matters.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
12. that probly won't happen until more women get into the director's chair
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:49 PM
Feb 2012

behind the cameras, writing the screenplays......

Men just usually think in terms of men.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
21. Kathryn Bigelow could probably get a WASPS movie greenlighted
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:50 PM
Feb 2012

She has massive cred as a war film director now.

niyad

(113,714 posts)
20. WASPS
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:44 PM
Feb 2012

Women Airforce Service Pilots

The Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP) and its predecessor groups the Women's Flying Training Detachment (WFTD) and the Women's Auxiliary Ferrying Squadron (WAFS) (from September 10, 1942) were pioneering organizations of civilian female pilots employed to fly military aircraft under the direction of the United States Army Air Forces during World War II. The WFTD and WAFS were combined on August 5, 1943, to create the paramilitary WASP organization. The female pilots of the WASP would end up numbering 1,074, each freeing a male pilot for combat service and duties. The WASP flew over 60 million miles in all, in every type of military aircraft.[1] WASPs were granted veteran status in 1977, and given the Congressional Gold Medal in 2009.[2]

Twenty-five thousand women applied to join the WASP, but only 1,830 were accepted and took the oath, and out of those only 1,074 women passed the training and joined.[1][3]
Contents


By the summer of 1941, the famous women pilots Jacqueline "Jackie" Cochran and test-pilot Nancy Harkness Love independently submitted proposals for the use of female pilots in non-combat missions to the US Army Air Forces (USAAF, the predecessor to the United States Air Force or USAF) after the outbreak of World War II in Europe.[4] The motivation was to free male pilots for combat roles by employing qualified female pilots on missions such as ferrying aircraft from factories to military bases, and towing drones and aerial targets. Leading into Pearl Harbor, General Henry H. "Hap" Arnold, commander of the USAAF, had turned down both Love's 1940 proposal and the proposal of the better connected and more famous Cochran despite unsubtle lobbying by Eleanor Roosevelt, but essentially promised command of any such effort to Cochran, should such a force be needed in the future.

While the U.S. was not yet fighting in the war, Cochran had gone to England to volunteer to fly for the Air Transport Auxiliary (ATA).[5] The ATA had been using female pilots since January 1940 and was starting to train new ones as well. The American women who flew in the ATA were the first American women to fly military aircraft.[5] They flew the Royal Air Force's front-line aircraft—Spitfires, Typhoons, Hudsons, Mitchells, Blenheims, Oxfords, Walruses, and Sea Otters—in a non-combat role, but in combat-like conditions. Most of these women served the war in the ATA. In fact, only three members of the ATA returned to the U.S. to participate in the WASP program.

. . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
32. There should be, but someone'd have to fund it out of their own pocket, most likely
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:28 AM
Feb 2012

That's pretty much what had to happen with Red Tails to get around Hollywood pressure to give the cast a racelift.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
93. On second thought of this issue,...
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 08:42 PM
Feb 2012

...it seems that the school district wants the boys to see a boy movie and the girls to see a girl movie. Maybe they'll want them to start wearing pink & blue.

PEACE!

A Brand New World

(1,119 posts)
25. I loved it too. It's one of a very few movies that I was surprised when it was over.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:04 AM
Feb 2012

It kept my interest throughout which made it seem like it went fast. And I'm a female too! It doesn't seem right at all that the girls were excluded.

niyad

(113,714 posts)
22. how in the HELL did it cost 57k to take a lot of boys to the movies?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:50 PM
Feb 2012

as others have posted, there is so much wrong with this that it is hard to know where to start--oh yes, getting this ass out of his job at once.

I don't go to any kind of war movies, regardless of the story, but that is MY personal preference. I would not allow anyone else to decide that I should not be allowed to go, nor would I allow anyone else to make that decision for anyone in my life. that jerk and I would have had a confrontation before that field trip ever got out of the planning stages.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
34. The tickets alone could hit that price easily
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:32 AM
Feb 2012

If the tickets were at a discount I can see transportation and other related costs making up the difference.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
33. The very first sentence of the article answers that question
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:31 AM
Feb 2012

5,700 students at ten bucks a ticket. That's not the least bit surprising, given that's roughly what movie tickets go for in most places.

It'd cost half again as much in my neck of the woods, actually.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
63. Why would a movie theater charge full price under such circumstances....? Wouldn't they strike....
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:12 PM
Feb 2012

...a special deal both for kids (half-price of adult) and for the sake of helping out the local school?

Of course, now I wonder if anyone is going to check and see if there was any connection between those taking the kids to the movies and those running the theaters. Because this sure sound like a scam to funnel tax dollars to friends or relatives or into a co-owned business!

If the aim was just to show this particular film--for historical reasons--to kids why not wait for the DVD or cable and show it to all the kids in their classrooms via tv's? I understand the idea of black history month for showing them the film, but either there's no common sense here or someone's trying to defraud the school.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
88. Ugh! Fire whoever arranged this. They wasted 57K to no good purpose! There was no friggin' reason...
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 08:03 PM
Feb 2012

...to take these kids to see this movie right away rather than wait till some arrangement could be made at a better price. All that money, and what did it buy these kids? Two hours of maybe enlightening entertainment rather than a new teacher or books or iPad or anything that could have lasted the school and many students for years.

quakerboy

(13,923 posts)
35. with 5,700 students going
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:39 AM
Feb 2012

that's $10 each.

That's about a movie ticket price, give or take. You would think they would get a bulk/educational discount, though.

If that includes the bus trip over, and chaperones for the outing, then its not as out of proportion as it sounds.

It still seems like a kinda bad idea for spending that big a chunk of cash.

And thats before we even get to the clear discrimination.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
56. For newly released films like "Red Tails"
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:52 AM
Feb 2012

the exhibitors aren't allowed to offer discounts, even bulk discounts. The distributors don't allow it. Discounts aren't usually allowed until the fourth week of release, and even then it usually comes out of the exhibitor's profits.

The theater's cut of that $57,000.00, by the way, would be $5,700.00.

niyad

(113,714 posts)
23. gosh, to look at their website, one couldn't tell they are a bunch of sexist jerks.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:58 PM
Feb 2012

guess they don't want to hear from anybody, no voicemail on the switchboard tonight. will have to call first thing monday.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
27. Can't let their innocent girls be sullied by watching the bi-racial love affair in the movie.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:08 AM
Feb 2012

They may run right out and get themselves a black man too.


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
62. Dallas Independent School District is 95 percent students of color
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:22 PM
Feb 2012

But don't let that stand in the way of your theories.

Igel

(35,383 posts)
38. Don't know their thinking.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:25 AM
Feb 2012

I do know that graduation rates, TAKS results, college attendance and a host of other problems afflict AA males at rates far higher than AA females. The literature is dripping with references to role models--the need to make sure that male AA students see adult AA males as teachers, as employers, as successful. White male role models don't count; black female role models don't count.

If women had the same kind of drop out rate as men do at the high school and college level there'd be an outcry and a call for gender-specific programs. We *have* gender-specific programs, but they're still for women. Some colleges are trying to institute male-specific programs but they're a hard sell.

So is it a coincidence that boys and girls are each given same-sex role models? Maybe. Maybe it is racist sexist stereotyping. Or maybe it's just responding to recent trends in the literature. Sometimes they really resemble each other.

tblue37

(65,503 posts)
40. I have heard the movie is embarrassingly bad, so maybe the girls got the better deal.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:21 AM
Feb 2012

Still, such exclusion is unconscionable and clearly signals second class status for the girls.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
41. OK I'm gonna be devil's advocate
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:22 AM
Feb 2012

I don't know the details, but then that hasn't stopped anyone else on the thread getting outraged.The funds were for low income students. Like any other big city, Dallas has problems with gangs, and thre is certainly a perception (which I don't know if is true or not) that low-income boys do not have good role models in their lives and that is one reason why gangs are so popular. So along comes a film showing some great black role models. Is is possible that the school district thought, here is an inspiring film these kids should see, and might not see otherwise? Now, put on the spot, they can hardly come out and say that, can they? Is it just possible that their motives were not based on sexism or any other ism?

obviously, as a girl, I too would have been annoyed at being stick in the classroom while the boys went to the movies, but does everything really have to be an outrage?

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
45. there are things a lot more unfair and unjust in public education
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:45 AM
Feb 2012

For example, the vastly greater amount of money spent on boys' sports compared to girls' sports, or on sports in general compared to other activities. Or how the fact that 5700 boys got to go see a film and ten of thousands of others didn't? This just seems like a storm in a teacup to me.

Heathen57

(573 posts)
46. That would be wrong-headed
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:07 AM
Feb 2012

thinking if that was what the district was trying to do. Plenty of girls are in gangs either as part of the main one, or a splinter All-Girl gang, and those girls can often be more viscous as the boys.

Those same girls have no role models as well. That is Hollywood's fault as much as any other, but there it is, just the same. And given the way those girls would be thinking (if they are in the gang life) they wouldn't associate well with a cute "girly" movie.

they would have been much better off taking both sexes and not be seen as to be as sexist as this reads. They would have enjoyed it as much as the boys, and might have learned about role models as well.

niyad

(113,714 posts)
70. "does everything really have to be an outrage?"
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:12 PM
Feb 2012

yes, when it is, in fact, an outrage.

this isn't even about girls being stuck in a classroom, it is about the mindset behind it. and, unfortunately, sexism is so pervasive that most people don't even see it.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
44. Somewhere in an alternate universe
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:39 AM
Feb 2012

.... but VERY like our own, the professionally outraged are hyperventilating about forcing girls to watch a movie where all the heroes are male, women could not participate, and the subject is phallic weapons of war spitting out death in an ultimate display of patriarchal gender-role machismo, and bewailing that they couldn't be shown a movie with a female lead in a peaceful activity......

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
47. Is that the exact name of the new film ?
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:29 AM
Feb 2012

Just "Red Tails" ? I know there were some prior ones with similar names.

I'm trying to keep an eye open for when its released on DVD in the US so's I can order one for UK delivery.

GTurck

(826 posts)
48. Might be...
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:32 AM
Feb 2012

prepping for their new role as perpetual baby machines. (Snark intended). Fighting over contraception, abortion, and other ways to not have unwanted children does seem to be what the GOP is aiming for with the winner: ta da - sacred sperm.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
49. The movie is about combat and flying fighters. Women aren't emotional suited to that.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:42 AM
Feb 2012

I heard that somewhere recently. I think it was from the leading candidate for president of the Republican party.

Oh, the movie is also about overcoming prejudice and bigotry. You don't want girls in Texas to learn anything about those subjects.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
50. It's the middle. I have a friend who will tell you that either coast is OK, but you
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:44 AM
Feb 2012

have to watch out for the middle.

Paladin

(28,281 posts)
55. And You Need To Remember That 3.5 Million Texans Voted For Obama.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:51 AM
Feb 2012

Blanket trashing of a state or region may be easier to get away with on DU than it used to be---but that doesn't make it right.....

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
85. No, it's a dumbass running a school district.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 06:46 PM
Feb 2012

It doesn't matter where they are in the world, the person responsible for this is a dumbass with no sense of how to operate a large field trip.

Careful with region-bashing now. It's against DU rules.

tooeyeten

(1,074 posts)
102. what?
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 12:04 AM
Feb 2012

Have you not followed the decisions relative to education in Texas? It holds some kind of record.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
103. Your response can still be construed as region-bashing
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 12:29 AM
Feb 2012

and that kind of dismissive statement often is seen exactly that way. Thus my warning to you.

I am guessing now that you also have not taken a look at my profile. I strongly suggest that you don't go assuming what I have or have not followed in my home state. The Texas forum on DU is one of the most popular state-forums on DU, and you're welcome to peruse it in order to better educate yourself on how up-to-date we all are with regards to the state of affairs in Texas.

tooeyeten

(1,074 posts)
106. certainly
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 05:02 PM
Feb 2012

did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings. But having taught and knowing the history of education in the South and Texas with the infiltration of religion and the right, I was making a comment from my own experiences.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
65. Red Tails is about bigotry stopping the military from giving minority pilots the opportunity to fly
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:45 PM
Feb 2012

missions. It's ironic that the school excluded girls from a movie their bigotry determined was unappealing to females.

niyad

(113,714 posts)
66. apart from the gender discrimination, the sheer sexism and obvious stupidity of the event--
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
Feb 2012

there is one line that deserves to be howled at for its sheer stupidity:

Girls excluded from 'Red Tails' field trip; Thousands of Texas schoolboys brought to see the WWII film, and



A spokesman for the Dallas Independent School District said officials took only boys to see "Red Tails" Thursday because SPACE AT THE THEATER WAS LIMITED. Jon Dahlander told The Dallas Morning News that leaders of the district also thought boys would enjoy the movie more than girls.

okay, there was room for THOUSANDS of boys, but SPACE WAS LIMITED???????????

now, not being in dallas, I don't know how big any of their auditoriums are, but none of the ones I have ever been in around the country holds THOUSANDS. (maybe at a multiplex where ALL the screens were showing the same film, but come ON. even without all the other considerations, the idiot deserves to lose his job for coming up with such a lame, idiotic excuse for this crap.


another questions comes to mind--since this was, in essence, a "field trip", wouldn't parental consent be required? and wouldn't you think that SOME parents might have raised questions, if not outright objections? I didn't see anything to indicate that, though.

 

Kellerfeller

(397 posts)
68. Boys excluded from 'Akeelah and the Bee' field trip; Thousands of Texas schools girls brought
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
Feb 2012

So let me get this straight. People are upset because the girls had to go to a movie about learning and academic success?

Shouldn't we be more upset that the boys DIDN'T.

From an academic standpoint, the Bee movie is a much better choice.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
78. That wasn't a field trip.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 04:07 PM
Feb 2012

That movie's been out on DVD forevah, they watched it at school. The boys got a field trip, the girls got left behind at school and somebody picked out a movie to keep them busy.

Also, tens of thousands of dollars were spent on the boys, the girls watched a movie you can redbox for a dollar. How's that fair?

kemah

(276 posts)
90. This is history, not propaganda.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 08:13 PM
Feb 2012

Now the movie with John Wayne, Green Berets, that was a propaganda. It was banned in Europe.

kemah

(276 posts)
89. As a retired teacher I would not take a coed teen age crowd to a movie. I would make two trips.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 08:12 PM
Feb 2012

I would take the male students one day and the next day the female students.

Rhiannon12866

(206,517 posts)
91. Girls don't need to know about history?!
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 08:23 PM
Feb 2012

Seems that too many people in this country are ignorant about hstory, as it is. They should have waited until it came out on DVD and included everybody, including the "spokesman," IMO...

primavera

(5,191 posts)
99. Of course not!
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 12:49 PM
Feb 2012

They only need to know how to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, what possible use could they have for history?

Islandlife

(212 posts)
94. What about the boys who were restricted from seeing Kayla and the bee?
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:49 PM
Feb 2012

There seems no concern for their plight.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
98. There are simply no words to describe the profundity of their stupidity
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 12:23 PM
Feb 2012

I feel sorry for the sane Texans who have to live with this crap.

 

HotRodTuna

(114 posts)
105. I'd like to know if the girls have ever gotten to go to the movies
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 02:10 AM
Feb 2012

As far as a war movie vs a spelling bee movie, the girls would all most likely prefer the latter. The real issue seems to be the fun of getting out of school. If there's another instance of them getting to go to a show while the boys stay in, then it seems pretty even to me. Most girls I know aren't too hyped on war movies.

This is probably much more to do with the school admins thinking the boys could relate to the characters in the films and be inspired by them, as a group, more than the girls. The girls got to see a movie they most likely could relate to more.

rainbow4321

(9,974 posts)
107. Nope...and it definitely would have been reported locally had they gone
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 11:24 PM
Feb 2012

There is so much fall out over the initial movie going that I am pretty sure a) it would have been reported and b) the district is trying to quickly move on. Last local report I read was that the TEA was investigating the whole mess. TEA had already warned the district a WEEK before they pulled this stunt that the agency was scrutinzing how the district was possibly misspent fed funds...and then the movie going news broke with the district announcing that same day that the TEA had approved it, with the TEA immedlately going "uh, NO, we did not"

On a related note..the school district I live in (my kids graduated several years ago but I still read articles about the district) actually invited and had one of the airmen come TO their campus to speak to a group of at-risk kids this past week. And there is a small group of the airmen who will be visiting the local VA facility this week.
So we now have 2 local organizations that will give audiences a genuine lesson in the airmen...as opposed to DISD spending over 50K on a glamorized movie version.

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