Air Force Removes "God" From Logo: Rep. J. Randy Forbes Leads Objection To This Move

[Great Caesars Ghost]

By Annalisa Musarra
Religion News Service

(RNS) Dozens of members of Congress are upset that the Air Force has removed the Latin word for "God" from the logo of an Air Force acquisitions office.

Led by Rep. J. Randy Forbes, co-chairman of the Congressional Prayer Caucus, 36 lawmakers Monday (Feb. 6) sent a letter to Air Force Secretary Michael Donley and Air Force Chief of Staff General Norton Schwartz objecting to the removal of "God" from the logo of the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office (RCO).

The logo was recently removed, according to Forbes, after objections by the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/air-force-removes-god-randy-forbes_n_1263665.html?ref=religion&icid=maing-grid7

[RKP5637]

1. I always thought decorating with God for divisions of war was more than

a bit strange. And even more strange two countries going to war both praying to God. Now is that really F'ed up or what.

[provis99]

3. well, the Nazi Wehrmacht prayed to god, and the Soviet Union didn't.

Who won that war?

[boppers]

7. Well, germany had it since 1861....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns

They won some, lost some.

[Kurmudgeon]

9. The United States, the ones with "In God We Trust" as it's official motto.

It is no longer so the US may not be so lucky next time. We'll see.

[baldguy]

20. "In God We Trust" is only one of the official US mottos. And wasn't until 1954.

It was a propaganda weapon used in a conflict that ended 20 years ago.

[Smilo]

30. "In God We Trust" became the national motto of the United States by Act of Congress, signed by Presi

the United States by Act of Congress, signed by President Eisenhower on July 30, 1956.

Justice William Brennan in Abingdon v. Schempp stated:

"It is not that the use of these four words (In God We Trust) can be dismissed as ‘de minimis’… The truth is that we have simply interwoven the motto so deeply into the fabric of our civil policy that its present use may well not present that type of involvement which the First Amendment prohibits."


So it is habit rather than anything else

[dmallind]

34. Really? So the country responsible for 80% of all German combatant deaths

Did nothing then?

And that motto came about 9 yrs later anyway.

[Kurmudgeon]

39. Ask a WW2 Veteran, better hurry, there's not so many left.

Every one I ever knew had a strong faith, make of that what you will.

[dmallind]

42. Don't need to ask. Historical facts are not subjective. Nor are anecdotes data.

[2ndAmForComputers]

35. So the Eastern Front of WWII wasn't fought between Germany and the USSR?

[SayIt]

15. Never heard that

Source?

[melm00se]

22. here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

on money since the mid 1800s and official motto since the 50's

[BadtotheboneBob]

26. Stamped on their belt buckles...

"Gott mit uns" - God with us... I do have to say while the Soviets were officially atheists, there were still a lot of 'closet' Orthodox Christians in the Russian populace.

[Ohio Dem]

2. Here we go...

"Obama made the Air Force take God off of their logo!" He's waging a war on Christianity!!"

[Kurmudgeon]

10. It wasn't Obama.

[Ohio Dem]

13. Do you think that will matter?

I know it wasn't Obama. Do you think that will somehow matter to Republican ad makers? Since when does the fact that something is untrue make a difference to them? I'm just saying, be ready for the "Obama hates Christians" ads once they decide which asshole they're gonna nominate. And be ready to prove it wasn't Obama at work, school, family gatherings, wherever.

[Kurmudgeon]

16. Oh, I agree. Won't be the 1st falsehood I've disproved against Obama for my friends/associates.

There's been so many, it's hard to keep track of them all.

[Lasher]

29. Ain't that the truth?

Snopes is your friend.

[cstanleytech]

4. Someone should tell them that the airplanes rely on science to fly

not faith.....if they argue then insist that the representatives test it themselves by stepping off a 30 story building. After all if their faith is all that is needed to fly then they should be ok.

[Kurmudgeon]

18. Look up Luke 4:12. Christ already told them.

[cstanleytech]

27. This isnt a test of the lord, its a test of their own faith in him.

If their faith is strong enough surely they will float to the ground and not be harmed.

[Kurmudgeon]

37. I suggest you try it then. I, however, refuse to put The Lord to the test, as instructed by Christ.

I'll save prayer of that kind for when it's really needed, not for for proving a point or an ego feed.

[cstanleytech]

41. I would except I know its science that allows an airplane to fly, not faith.

[Kurmudgeon]

44. It's a good thing that I never said that then, isn't it....

[2ndAmForComputers]

36. When I was in first grade, near Easter

The teacher told us that the Easter Bunny was going to bring us Easter eggs, but we had to keep our eyes closed. Everybody (as far as I know) dutifully complied, and when the teacher said we could open our eyes again, lo and behold, there was one Easter egg on each desk!

[Kurmudgeon]

38. Cute story, but it's a non sequitur.

[2ndAmForComputers]

40. Not at all. It is Luke 4:12 in rodent form.

[Kurmudgeon]

45. If I called something you revered a rodent, would that be ok? Not that I would.

[2ndAmForComputers]

46. I didn't call anything you revere a rodent.

I said something that applies to something you revere also applies to a rodent.

Can you see the difference?

[MADem]

5. Finally! nt

[Tripod]

6. We are all going to Hell. :nuke:

[Monk06]

8. "Doing God's Work with Other People's Money" Not exactly a pious sentiment. In fact

rather vulgar and stupid, like "Death from Above".

[solarman350]

12. "In God We Trust," All Others Pay

...with their money, life, or both. Good to see this "contract" with an imaginary being finally dissolved. We've got more to be concerned about in this life than praying, paying, and talking to a non-causal entity.

[jmowreader]

14. I guess now...

all the supply sergeants in the Army will have to remove "in God we trust, all others must show ID" from the supply room wall and all the MI guys will have to remove "in God we trust, all others are fair game" from the walls of the secure areas.

For some reason, I'd have thought the Republicans would have wanted the motto changed to "doing God's work" leaving off the part about the money.

[oldhippydude]

17. ho hum...

wake me up when they get rid of the Domionist influence at the Air Force Academy

[jerseyjack]

19. Jean Sheppard: "In God We Trust, all others, pay cash." Title of his book.

[baldguy]

21. "The action taken by the RCO suggests that all references to God..."

"... regardless of their context, must be removed from the military,"


That's a good suggestion.

[Brettongarcia]

23. Pinching Off Fundamentalism, Apocalyptism, in the Air Force

An important subject - because of a growing, self-fulfilling apocalyptic fundamentalism in Air Force officers.

Future elite Air Force officers attend college, in the Air Force Academy in Colorado (Springs?). But? Colorado includes all kinds of right-wing religious nuts, from Dr. Dobson and his Focus on the Family, to abortion clinic bombers like "Run Run Rudolph." And? These right-wingers have edged up to the Air Force college, to place their conservative right-wing churches at the edge of campus. There was a story on this a few years ago, in Newsweek or Time?

It's dangerous when the people in control of our nuclear stockpiles, start embracing, looking forward to, end-of-the world scenarios. For this reason, its good to insulate our Armed Forces a bit, from religious extremism.

An even worse, related subject? 85% of our officers or more, are Republicans. As former Sec. Def. Gates noted, we have in effect, a Republican (and perhaps, Fundamentalist) military. We no no longer have a citizen army; but a voluntary military, of persons self-selected to be militaristic, and Republican. Which is, historically, dangerous.

Recent problems with Gen. Mc Crystal illustrate part of this potentially very serious problem.

[AlbertCat]

24. If we don't keep god in the military....

.... how are we gonna get young healthy competent individuals to sacrifice themselves?

[cstanleytech]

28. You might be thinking of some other military because from my experience where

I live (near Fort Gordon) healthy is far from how I would describe them, in other words some of them should consider laying off on the donuts but then again so should I :p lol

[rurallib]

25. Hey! Republicans! Great chance to support religious freedom!

great followup to your campaign on the scourge of having catholic hospitals pay for birth control.
This will give you a chance to show you believe in real religious freedom.
I will hold my breath until you do.

[barbtries]

31. there's a congressional prayer caucus?

jeez don't they have enough to keep them busy

[Steerpike]

32. C'mon

This is just another bullshit Republican fairy tale...

[Doremus]

33. They probably took it out on purpose so that they could manufacture a good divisive uproar nt

[truthisfreedom]

43. The only reason for one control system to suggest the existence of a higher control system

is to remind the underlings that there's always someone looking over your shoulder.