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Mon Feb 25, 2013, 08:49 AM

Horse meat found in Ikea's Swedish meatballs

Source: AP-Excite

By KARL RITTER

STOCKHOLM (AP) - Swedish furniture giant Ikea was drawn into Europe's widening food labeling scandal Monday as authorities said they had detected horse meat in frozen meatballs labeled as beef and pork and sold in 13 countries across the continent.

The Czech State Veterinary Administration said that horse meat was found in one-kilogram packs of frozen meatballs made in Sweden and shipped to the Czech Republic for sale in Ikea stores there. A total of 760 kilograms (1,675 pounds) of the meatballs were stopped from reaching the shelves.

Ikea spokeswoman Ylva Magnusson said meatballs from the same batch had gone out to Slovakia, Hungary, France, Britain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Greece, Cyprus and Ireland. Magnusson said meatballs from that batch were taken off the shelves in Ikea stores in all those countries. Other shipments of meatballs were not affected, she added.

However, the company's Swedish branch announced on its Facebook page that it won't sell or serve any meatballs at its stores in Sweden out of concern for "potential worries among our customers."

FULL story at link.



Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20130225/DA4LM1O81.html





Advertising for Ikea meat balls at the parking area at an Ikea store in Malmo Sweden Monday Feb. 25, 2012. Furniture retailer Ikea says it has halted all sales of meat balls in Sweden after Czech authorities detected horse meat in frozen meatballs that were labeled as beef and pork. (AP Photo/Johannes Cleris) SWEDEN OUT

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Reply Horse meat found in Ikea's Swedish meatballs (Original post)
Omaha Steve Feb 2013 OP
jberryhill Feb 2013 #1
kentauros Feb 2013 #10
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #60
Leslie Valley Feb 2013 #2
Marrah_G Feb 2013 #33
Auggie Feb 2013 #34
Heidi Feb 2013 #90
Botany Feb 2013 #3
OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #4
darkangel218 Feb 2013 #5
Hissyspit Feb 2013 #7
darkangel218 Feb 2013 #11
ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2013 #29
Diclotican Feb 2013 #39
woodsprite Feb 2013 #37
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AllyCat Feb 2013 #9
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AllyCat Feb 2013 #17
darkangel218 Feb 2013 #18
supernova Feb 2013 #75
Sunlei Feb 2013 #54
alp227 Feb 2013 #63
drm604 Feb 2013 #19
darkangel218 Feb 2013 #21
drm604 Feb 2013 #24
global1 Feb 2013 #27
OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #30
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glinda Feb 2013 #57
politicat Feb 2013 #65
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DeschutesRiver Feb 2013 #74
Sanity Claws Feb 2013 #22
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Hissyspit Feb 2013 #6
Diclotican Feb 2013 #36
Berlin Expat Feb 2013 #38
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Berlin Expat Feb 2013 #43
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:08 AM

1. It probably was just...

...leftover parts they had lying around after putting the cattle together.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:38 AM

10. Even though I've never had parts left over,

that made me laugh

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:36 PM

60. Worth a Duzy!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:18 AM

2. Next they'll find wood in their furniture.

 

N/t

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Response to Leslie Valley (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:25 AM

33. LOL

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Response to Leslie Valley (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:26 AM

34. I'm surprised they found meat!

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Response to Leslie Valley (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:13 AM

90. !!!!!!



Welcome to DU, Leslie Valley!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:19 AM

3. Meatballs that make you run out and put together some pressboard furniture

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:20 AM

4. I don't know what's worse.

That the Swedish meatballs contain horse meat, or that a furniture retailer sells Swedish meatballs.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:26 AM

5. There is nothing wrong with horse meat. geez...

We and them are lucky we have food. I bet the starving people in Africa would love those meatballs, horse meat or not.

Weve become so picky about our food is sickening.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:33 AM

7. It's unethical to defraud people about what they are putting in they're bodies.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:40 AM

11. Its unethical to mislabel food.

However, horse meat is very popular in Europe, almost all cold cuts contain horse meat. ( I grew up in Europe, so I know.)

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:22 AM

29. You're missing the point.

Its about lying to people about whats in their food.


And horse meat isn't popular in all of Europe. Having "grown up there" you should know that Europe is a big place full of lots of different cultures and customs not a homogenized singular entity. To say "horse meat is popular in Europe" is wrong. Horse meat is popular in some parts of Europe in other parts its just as taboo as it is here in the states.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:47 AM

39. darkangel218

darkangel218

I live in Europe - and I am pretty sure I can count of one hand the times I have ever eaten Horse meat - and it was a delicacy who was deeply cherished - I think I have not been eating horse meat since early 1990s...

Diclotican

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:43 AM

37. But if they were labeled "GMO Meatballs" they could

sell them to the US, and they wouldn't have to label what's in them -- at least in some states.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:34 AM

8. At least label it for what it is: "Meatball style food."

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:37 AM

9. Label reads beef and pork. Contents other than disclosed on label.

And I still think eating horse meat is gross.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:41 AM

15. Horse meat is just as tasty and nutritious as any other edible meat. nt

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:53 AM

17. Except as a horse lover, it would have the same feel as eating my cat or dog.

Cannot imagine anyone's 4 hooved critter on a dinner plate.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:55 AM

18. When i grew up i had a goat as a pet.

It ended up cooked a few years later. I didn't want to eat my goat but I did.

I get what you say though.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:50 PM

75. Then don't visit China during the winter time...

Those are prime winter time meats. You play with your food... then eat it.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:54 AM

54. thats if you can ignore- mushie bloody liverlike meat dripping with class one carcinogens.

horses deserve better

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 04:03 PM

63. But food should be labeled PROPERLY. n/t

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:57 AM

19. That isn't the point. The meat is from an uncertain source and may be unregulated.

It could contain veterinary pharmaceuticals that aren't approved for human consumption.

I wouldn't trust the safety of food supplied by someone who so blatantly mislabeled it. The mislabeling brings their honesty and reliability into question.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:00 AM

21. I agree with you. Im just saying there is nothing wrong with horse meat.

Do horses carry diseases transmissable to humans? I don't even know. I've ate horse meat throughout my childhood , it was the main ingredient in bologna. And I'm still alive

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:06 AM

24. I have no problem with horse meat.

I would try it as long as I was confident about the source.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:15 AM

27. Cue The Sequester And What Will Happen To Food & Meat Inspectors & Inspections....

when it kicks in.

Welcome to the world of mystery meat.

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Response to global1 (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:24 AM

30. Makes one wonder where all the wild horses went.

All the Missing Horses: What Happened to the Wild Horses Tom Davis Bought From the Gov’t?
http://www.propublica.org/article/missing-what-happened-to-wild-horses-tom-davis-bought-from-the-govt

The BLM has sold Davis at least 1,700 wild horses and burros since 2009, agency records show -- 70 percent of the animals purchased through its sale program.

Like all buyers, Davis signs contracts promising that animals bought from the program will not be slaughtered and insists he finds them good homes.

But Davis is a longtime advocate of horse slaughter. By his own account, he has ducked Colorado law to move animals across state lines and will not say where they end up. He continues to buy wild horses for slaughter from Indian reservations, which are not protected by the same laws. And since 2010, he has been seeking investors for a slaughterhouse of his own.

"Hell, some of the finest meat you will ever eat is a fat yearling colt," he said. "What is wrong with taking all those BLM horses they got all fat and shiny and setting up a kill plant?"

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:48 AM

40. And this poacher Davis of our Federally protected wildlife- lives next door to Salazar.

No wonder Salazar "steps down". Davis was also contracted by the BLM, a federal contractor for Salazar. The President needs to focus on the DOI more. The president is pretty much a greenhorn and easy to snooker when the DOI has no oversight. It costs about 3,000 a wild horse to round-up and these jerks are stealing them and getting a couple hundred for mexican border-slaughter- in one of their torture slaughter houses.

Then they relable it as beef and make a heck of a profit on the 10 cents a pound horse. The Feds need to stop this criminal enterprise along with the poachers and the corrupt federal employees, they know the drug Cartels run those border towns.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 12:39 PM

57. Wow.That is awfully corrupt. Thanks for the information.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 05:13 PM

65. Hang on -- being a neighbor is not voluntary.

A few years ago, the guy next door went to prison for fraud (con artist variety.) I think I met him twice. I also moved into a cul de sac that had a designer drug lab on premises, but nobody in the neighborhood knew that until the free-lance chemist who was making MDMA set one of his reagents on fire and took most of the house with it. Both houses were in somewhat exclusive communities, gated and with HOAs and price tags that should have limited such behavior.

I have no control -- legally or morally -- over what my neighbors do. And that's how it's supposed to be. We Democrats are AGAINST redlining, remember? And that means property owners can neither prohibit anyone from moving into a neighborhood, nor push out anyone who moves in, nor be held responsible for the behaviors of those who happen to live nearby.

Whethere Salazar was involved or aware is for the DOJ to determine, but proximity does not mean guilt.

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Response to politicat (Reply #65)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:47 AM

88. it's not a neiborhood full of houses like yours, cattle ranchers tend to know their neighbors.

One happens to be in charge of managing Americas Federal wildlife and the other happens to get delivered to them- 1,700 of the wildlife that are supposed to be federally protected.

No matter, Salazar the Slaughter Tzar steps down, maybe fox will hire him.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:05 PM

74. Didn't see this before I replied below - this is my concern as well. And I did see a few articles

from the UK that mentioned the authorities fears about those drugs, primarily bute (but that only scratches the surface of potential risks). But as more people confuse the issue and believe it to be just one of taste preference for horse vs. beef meat, the pharma aspect is being downplayed or not mentioned at all now.

And that is really the only issue, but it is a big one. Of course, they can't do a thing now to help anyone who has ingested years and years worth of prohibited drugs, so I'm guessing that is why they are letting people continue to mistakenly focus upon the non issue of horse vs. beef, instead of drug adulterated vs. not.

I was awaiting a report that supposed to be out regarding drug testing of this meat; however, the focus shifted to testing of the percentage of horse to beef meat instead. I saw a couple of reports that said "oh, no bute in this, so let's just move on!" and not much more.

This link is typical of what I saw, for anyone reading this that is unaware of the drug aspect or that the contamination may still be ongoing which presents a health risk from the drugs (from 2/14). It is no longer limited to frozen foods but has been found in fresh beef used to make convenience products like spaghetti sauce (and since that fresh beef is usually what is being sold in the meat case, then pretty much all beef still has major issues).


Ministers are struggling to reassure consumers over the horsemeat scandal after tests revealed potentially dangerous contamination of meat with veterinary drugs and Asda confirmed the first trace of horse had been found in a fresh beef product.

Overwhelmed laboratories are warning that the industry may not fully comply with Friday's deadline for completing tests for horse in all beef products, raising the prospect that the government will be unable to give British food a clean bill of health for days.


www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/14/horsemeat-beef-tests

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:06 AM

22. But this was not horse raised for meat

Veterinarian medicines, not cleared for human consumption, are to be in the slaughtered horses.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 04:26 PM

64. Social mores aren't really about being "picky"

Social mores aren't really about being "picky"

Off the top of my head, 'The Human Challenge' by William Haviland is a wonderful primer that may allow you see the vast amount of differences between social mores and simply being "picky"




"I bet the starving people in Africa would love those meatballs, horse meat or not..."
Quite often (at least in Somalia and Rwanda), many families eat newly diseases human corpses due to the extreme hunger. I'd imagine intellectual consistency would compel you to decry our denial of eating the same, as you had no other qualifiers to your statement.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 05:17 PM

67. The absolute best pommes frites are fried in horse fat

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 06:16 PM

69. Since it was blackmarket meat, it was probably adulterated with drugs that can't be fed to humans.

That is the issue.

Not the type of meat, of course, but whether this meat was intended for the food chain. Since whoever did this kept its use off the label, then they sure weren't substituting a higher grade of horse meat for the beef (usually, horsemeat is more expensive than beef. Unless it is filled with drugs that aren't okay for humans to get in such high doses).

A lot of horses die with a lot of crap in their systems. Those animals are not eaten by people, same is true for cattle with certain drugs still in their systems (in a perfect world where no one commits these kind of crimes, of course).

It would make no sense for someone to substitute a higher priced product for a lower priced one and fail to mention it. So likely the horse meat is the kind that wasn't supposed to be ingested by people. The drugged up kind, and that is why it was being used as a substitute for cheap beef.

If this were only about being picky as to which kind of meat one is eating, it wouldn't even be an issue past one day. But there are lots of drugs that animals are treated with that have specific label warnings not to be given to slaughter animals within a certain time period before slaughter. Because they will harm the people who eat them if they are still in the animal's system when slaughtered.

I think people may be missing this aspect - but it is the only one that matters and it is very real.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:31 AM

6. Wasn't always quite so controversial...

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:38 AM

36. Hissyspit

Hissyspit

Indeed - INNSPECTED horse meat is not a danger to human consumption - inspected horse is a safe as beef - and possible far less expensive too - and taste as well as the finest beef on the earth..

But it is the totally lack of knowledge if the meat who is made its way into human consumption is safe - inspected and documented safe who is the problem here. And Romania have more than once, been embroiled in food scandals - going back to "the good old days" of communist rule.. It is sad to say - the inspections have not been any better now, more than 25 year after the end of the cold war..

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:45 AM

38. Romania as the source,

and some of the slaughterhouses where the meat is sourced from are controlled by the Romanian version of the mafia.

Any high-profile disappearances in Romania lately?

Might be more than just horsemeat in them meatballs, burgers, lasagne, etc.

Ponder on that.

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Response to Berlin Expat (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:50 AM

41. some journalists should check for human DNA in random food samples.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:04 AM

43. If I were running

the show here in the Czech Republic, I certainly would. Discreetly, mind you, but I'd still check.

When this whole brouhaha started up, and the news emerged that some of the meat in question was sourced from Romania, and then the mafia angle emerged, I started going to my local butcher for meat. It's all locally sourced.

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Response to Berlin Expat (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:51 AM

53. I feel really queezy about fast food and frozen prepared meals. I don't want to buy them anymore.


This is a horrible loss of trust in our worldwide food industry. I don't want to eat my companion animals or your kids pony

The legit beef industry, beef ranchers should be outraged. They are scammed out of international sales of their own beef.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 12:00 PM

55. I try to avoid

prepared meals as much as possible.

I'm quite sure the beef industry can't be happy about this, not to mention retailers in general. Meat sales will go down for awhile. Even the Czechs, notable carnivores that they are, are getting leery of buying meat from supermarkets.

Butcher shops, on the other hand, are doing brisk business.

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Response to Berlin Expat (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:10 AM

46. Berlin Expat

Berlin Expat

Romania is the source of this scandal - a country who is NOT known for their strict control of beef... And as you point out, is also more or less regulated and controlled by the romanian mafia - who also work closely with the russian mafia by the way..

If not disappearance - so at least they discovered a member of the local form of government in a northern city in Romania - who was buried, inside a bettong column- and was not discovered before he was kind of discovered a couple of years later - when the building collapsed - and the column was split in two...

It might indeed be more than just horse meat in some food originally from Romania

You are evil - I think I will just have a salate to dinner now Oh well, I suspect I could need it

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:23 AM

49. That doesn't surprise me in the

slightest.

I was reminded of a lurid tale my father told me when I was a little kid, of a German murderer who sold his victims as meat. He'd gotten some of the details confused, most notably that the case occurred in Germany, not Los Angeles, shortly before he was born. An early example of the urban legend from the 1920s.

The real case was that of Carl Grossmann, a serial killer who may have murdered up to 50 young women and sold their meat as hot dogs, and on the World War One-era black market, as pork. He was sentenced to death by a German court, but committed suicide before he could be executed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gro%C3%9Fmann

I wouldn't be shocked to learn that the Romanian mob could've disposed of some its victims in this manner. It's one hell of a foolproof way to get rid of the evidence.

Think I'll have a salad tonight.

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Response to Berlin Expat (Reply #49)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:32 AM

50. Berlin Expat

Berlin Expat

It was not unknown in Germany in the early 1920s, in all the chaos after WW1, and the end of imperial rule in the country - that at least rumors about cannibalism was rampant sometimes - and the rumors about the man who sold his victims as meat is at least a wel known urban legend..

Yeah - it would be a sure way to get rid of any evidence if you was disposed a victim in that way - but human flesh taste very different from most other meat I have ben told - so I guess, with the palette we have today - human flesh would be known rather fast... As it taste different from other meat.

In war times - sometimes, when everything else have failed - cannibalism have happened in Europe - over the last centuries - but even if the situations is difficult - it tend to be one of the last thing to be doing - even in the siege of Leningrad - it was not until the winter of 1941-42 and 1942-43 cannibalism was prevailing for the ones who survived..

Diclotian

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:44 AM

52. I have it

on very good authority (my late father) that human flesh is indistinguishable from pork.

He got served some 'longpig' during World War Two in New Guinea.

It was an experience he never forgot. He told me about kuru, spongiform encephalitis, which was certainly not unknown in New Guinea among those who consumed the brains of other humans.

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Response to Berlin Expat (Reply #52)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:24 AM

92. Berlin Expat

Berlin Expat

I believe you there - it is a reason some have objections about eating pork - maybe not from the fact that some down the road, the modern pig, and the modern human was leaving each other - and even today have a lot of genes who is more or less the same - some claim that a pig, and a modern human have more in common, when it comes to genes - than even the big apes... And that in theory - a pigs hearth can replace a human hearth, with less problems than human hearth to another human today.. In most cases you have to be on medication for the rest of your life if a hearth is replaced - in theory a pig can do the same job - and more easy than humans does.. That make for some interesting theories about things

I guess he got an experience he never forgot then - not many modern humans have been eating humans - or "Longpig" as it was claimed back then... In New Guinea it was more of a tradition to eat a enemy who was caught - it was also a way of making sure a dead enemy was not wasted - at New Guinea it is not easy to get proteins - and for some one of the ways to make sure about getting the right proteins - was to eat dead humans - why waste a resource who was not exactly easy to get by?...
And it was also a way of symbolic take over the power a enemy might have - it goes back to the stone age, where eating your enemy was kind of making sure the "powers" he had have, was not wasting, but that you, could make strength from it..

But, it also had some nasty side effects - specially when it come to eating the brain - it could often end up making the eater sick - with horrible diseases who could disable you - and make you a drawling dummy with great damage to your own brain.. Something that over time could devastate a sociity... And even thought it was a old tradition to eat humans, it was as tradition who by the early 1990s was not longer practiced by the different tribes at New Guinea today - but it exist some, older ones, who still have knowledge - and pretty proud by the fact they have been eating other humans still.. And who know what would happened in the future - old habits is bad to break - specially when it is just a couple of decades since the last one was eaten..

The tribes at New Guinea was known to be brutal warriors, specially the tribes who allied them selfs with the Australians and the british - they was horrible when they attached the japanese, who was trying to flush out the australians and the british who also was in the hills of New Guinea.. And I guess a few japanese was making its way to the parties - as guest of honors of sorts

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 01:30 AM

87. Hi, Diclotican.

Yes, I understand that (see Post #7). I was just being flippant about the photo, which apparently is circa World War II.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #87)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:08 AM

91. Hissyspit

Hissyspit

Yeah, I understood that - and I am absolutely in agreement - inspected, and safe horse meat is safe for human consumption - but in the case of the romanian horse meant - the problem is that we can not verify where it come form - or if it is inspected at all.. And on the background of the fact that Romania have not the best inspection rules in place.. Even if the laws in theory make for inspection of all type of food, the reality is that if you just have the right connections, you can do as you please.. Bribe your way out of it - or treated your way out of it.. And the romanian mafia is known already for using methods who is outright dangerous for everyone else.. Everyone know the russian mafia is bad - but the romanian mafia is as dangerous as other mafias - and is very connected to the different people who govern the country... In some cases - it is rumored that the Romanian more or less own some politic ans - and using met odes to keep them there, who even member of the old italian mafia would refuse to use...

And as a result of the "genius" at Brussels, who gave Romania a welcome into EU in 2007 ca, bad meat have entered the food shain to humans - who could risk human health for many... Even here in Norway, a local producer of food, had to recall a lot of products, who they suspected was tainted with romanian meat... And the worst is - it was known many mounts before the news broke - that bad meat had entered the shain, but where the big players was not telling anyone else about the supections of bad meat in the food shain.. It was not until it broke into the news, that the big players in Europe had to do something - like recall tonnes of products who could be tainted with food.. And I'm afraid this is a scandal who can roll for mounts, but where the real truth about it, Will be known years down the road...

As a person who have some troubles with my gut - it is rather on the tender side when it come to food I think a secure food shain is very important... And even though horse meat is acceptable - it must also be secured - inspected and found safe for us humans to eat... Even thought we can eat almost everything - we can also get really, nasty sick if we are not eating food who is safe for us to eat - even in old ages, long before we got to know what safe food was, or what was making food going bad - it was rules against selling bad food - and the consequences for the ones who did sell bad meat - could ba risky - everything from a ban selling food at a marked - to hanging in the gallow... And all in the between..

And it was cool to look at the pictures by the way - it is allways intersting to look at old pictures - to get to know how things was back then - 70 year ago It is some difference between then and today.
Diclotican

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:55 AM

42. Still isn't...sort of....

Every year over 100,000 American horses are transported to Canada and Mexico to be slaughtered and their meat shipped to Europe for human consumption. Horse meat is considered a delicacy in Europe costing around $20. per pound.

The horses from America (Canada & Mexico) that are slaughtered for food are race horses, show horses, trail horses, companions and pets.
Horse meat in America is considered taboo.
Horses are mostly considered pets in America thus the taboo for eating its meat.

From a web site called...http://www.americanhorsemeat.com/

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:37 AM

51. Canada has shut the door to Americas horses. We in the US have absolutely NO traceability system.

Mexico border is run by the Cartel, graft/corruption/bribes. I don't think criminals care whats in the 5 cent a pound 'meat' they relabel and sell to the world.

The mexican border slaughter houses probably scam their own Gov out of tax revenue. Probably scam the Europian Gov out of tax fees aswell.

Pay export tax on cheap 5 cents mystery meat. Change to beef prices in Europe after any EU import tax is paid.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:07 AM

44. It was sold in the U.S. more recently than that -- 1970s

Beef prices went through the roof and seemed likely to stay there for a while. Horse meat started showing up in butcher shops. I recall seeing ground meat and salami. As soon as prices went down the interest in eating horse disappeared.

Your picture --WWII vintage?

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 05:40 PM

68. I had completely forgotten the 1972 (?) meat crisis

Until a couple of years ago when I was going through some old newspaper archives. Then it all came back to me. I was 9-10 at the time.

I don't know the date on the photo. Found it on a friend's Facebook page.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #85)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 01:12 AM

86. A ha!

It was the "not rationed " sign that tipped me off.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:40 AM

12. Neigh! Neigh!

Not Mr. Ed!!!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:40 AM

13. We have been going at this all wrong. What we actulaly have here

is an epidemic of cows eating horses.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:41 AM

14. Steve, they're in everybody's meatballs now.

 

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:50 AM

16. It was only a matter of time

I don't think anyone knows what's in these meatballs anyway, whether it's beef or pork. Ikea should really have reindeer meat though...

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:59 AM

20. Ikea sells food?

Is that just in Europe? I haven't been to an Ikea in years.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:10 AM

26. They do. And I like their meatballs, or at least I did when I last had them, perhaps 10 years ago.

I hope the horse meat didn't make it to the US.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:49 PM

62. The one by the Mall of America has a large cafeteria

And it's almost always crowded with people. It's not the upscale food, but it's decent, and the prices are pretty cheap. I think their 15-meatball platter, with a scoop of mashed potatoes and gravy and a spoonful of lingonberry relish is like $3.99?

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Response to drm604 (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 06:17 PM

70. They have a cafe, a larger cafeteria, and a small grocery in each IKEA.

At least they do in all the ones I've been to in Southern California. I like their lingonberry preserves and flatbreads, and they have decent inexpensive dark chocolate bars. For non-vegetarians the selection is much larger and more fun.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #70)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:03 PM

78. The one near me doesn't.

Or at least it didn't the last time I was there. Is this a new thing?

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Response to drm604 (Reply #78)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:40 PM

79. Your profile says you're near Philadelphia.

The South Philly location has a Restaurant, Bistro, and Food Market.

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/store/philadelphia/restaurant

So does the Pittsburgh store. Perhaps they recently added them?

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Response to Codeine (Reply #79)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:46 PM

80. I'm not familiar with either of those.

I only know the one in Plymouth Meeting. Not a big deal either way, I was just curious.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 06:20 PM

71. Yeah, but you have to eat it with those little allen wrenches.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:06 AM

23. Omaha Steve

Omaha Steve

It is not the horse mean who is the trouble - it is the totally lack of knowledge about where it comes from who is in the center of all this mess.. When meat comes from shady sources - it is difficult to get knowledge about where it comes from - and where it is safe to use it by humans... And I am afraid this is just the tip of the infamous iceberg - as this possible have happened a lot long before it get in the spotlight.. Most of the meat who is in questioning here, comes from shady sources in Romania - a country who is known to have a shady industry where not just horses but also other animals are treated in a way, that make them almost impossible to eat.. Mostly because of all type of medication, who is not safe for humans to eat.. Contaminated meat should have no place in the food shain what so ever..

And in some places i guess it also is a culture thing - that you do not eat some animals - like horses.. Mostly because from old ages - a horse was a great companion when it come to work the land and in the woods when you was not working the land.. In fact, until the 1920s, it was on the books in Norway, some really nasty laws, who become them, who un-necessary killed horses.. One of the last ones, who was hanged in Norway - was a horse thief, who had stolen horses, and sold them, or killed them for the meat..

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:08 AM

45. Contaminated meat should have no place in the food chain what so ever...

Last edited Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)

So true. So does that mean they are going to stop using growth hormones and animals that are on antibiotics so that they can live in insanely crowded conditions?

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #45)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:22 AM

48. Kalidurga

Kalidurga

I am not sure - even though I doubt they will stop using growth hormones - and to keep the place better for the animals with less overcrowdning... It goes down to one thing - what is most expensive for the ones who produce the meat.. And sadly to say, it is far less expensive to put many animals in a crowded barn - than to keep the barn safe - with less animals - but in better conditions than before...

Safe food, is important, for everyone. And this scandal I am, is just the start of a whole way of scandals when it come to have safe food to our dinner.. It should be, if it is not, punishable by many years behind a prison cell to sell unsafe food into the human food shain..

Diclotican

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:09 AM

25. Probably make you fart just as much

They're renowned for that.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:20 AM

28. Hajorsk Meetballs! It is probably because the Chef who makes them can't see what he is doing

as seen in this revealing documentary...

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:24 AM

31. Are we really that shocked that Ikea meatballs are disgusting? For that matter the idea of Ikea

itself makes me feel like less of a person in general.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:24 AM

32. Is horse meat unhealthy?

I thought the reason that people don't eat horse is that it's a beloved animal.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:13 AM

47. yes, it's pretty toxic especially as most horse owners use Vets and routine care & don't want flies.

Many of the most prescribed horse medications as well as many over-the-counter products contain substances the UK bans from food animals. They are clearly marked "not for use in horses intended for food products." Even FLY SPRAY carries this warning.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:18 PM

59. I suspect most horses sold for slaughter haven't been treated that well to begin with

so are actually less likely to be contaminated.

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Response to Kali (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 03:31 AM

89. where do you think most of the ex-race horses went over the decades?

horse slaughter trucks pick up at americas horse auctions at every sale. Lot of Americas pet horses are stolen and never seen again. Back about a decade ago a Dutch meat corp. owner exclaimed, "From stable to table in 7 days or less"
After 3 or 4 days of constant stress, short or no feed and water, even the nicest horse looks ragged and poorly treated.

Drugs prohibited for use in horses intended for human consumption. Common meds I have used on my horses.


Ingredient Name: phenylbutazone
Trade Names: Phenylzone (Schering), Bute Tabs (Vedco), Phenylbute (Phoenix Pharmaceutical)
•Phenylbutazone (commonly referred to as "bute") is currently approved only for oral and injectable use in dogs and horses. Use in horses is limited to use in horses not intended for food. There are currently no approved uses of phenylbutazone in food-producing animals.
http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/03-4741.htm

Ingredient Name: acepromazine maleate
Trade Name: PromAce (Fort Dodge)
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AnimalVeterinary/Products/ApprovedAnimalDrugProducts/FOIADrugSummaries/ucm061778.pdf
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=015-030

Ingredient Name: boldenone undecylenate
Trade Name: Equipoise (Fort Dodge)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=034-705

Ingredient Name: omeprazole
Trade Name: GastroGard
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=141-123

Ingredient Name: ketoprofen
Trade Name: Ketofen (Fort Dodge)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=140-269

Ingredient Name: ivermectin
Trade Names: EQVALAN (Merial), Zimecterin (Merial), Equell (Pfizer), IverCare (Farnam)
EQVALAN: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=134-314
Zimecterin: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=134-314

Ingredient Name: xylazine HCl
Trade Names: Anased (Lloyd), Sedazine (Fort Dodge), Xyla-Ject (Phoenix Pharmaceutical)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=140-442

Ingredient Name: hyaluronic acid (sodium hyaluronate)
Trade Names: Hyalovet (Fort Dodge), Hylartin V (Pharmacia & Upjohn), Legend (Bayer Animal Health)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=140-806

Ingredient Name: pyrantel tartrate
Trade Name: Strongid C and Banminth (Pfizer), Purina® Horse & Colt Wormer (Virbac AH, Inc.)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=042-888

Ingredient Name: nitrofurazone
Trade Names: NFZ Puffer (Hess & Clark, Inc.), Fura Ointment (Farnam Companies, Inc.)
NFZ Puffer: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=011-154
Fura Ointment: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=100-854

Ingredient Name: polysulfated glycosaminoglycan (PSGAG)
Trade Name: Adequan (Luitpold Pharmaceuticals, Inc.)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=140-901

Ingredient Name: clenbuterol HCl
Trade Names: Ventipulmin® Syrup (Boehringer Ingelheim)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=140-973

Ingredient Name: tolazoline HCl
Trade Name: Tolazine (Lloyd, Inc.)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=140-994

Ingredient Name: moxidectin
Trade Name: Quest® 2% Equine Oral Gel and Quest® Gel (Fort Dodge)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=141-087

Ingredient Name: ponazuril
Trade Name: Marquis™ Antiprotozoal Oral Paste (Bayer Animal Health)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=141-188

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:30 AM

35. Oh dear, looks like a food issue has finally hit home with our demographics.

 

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 12:35 PM

56. Stop the Horsanity!

 


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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 12:57 PM

58. My first reaction to "Ikea meatballs" was to remember this ad...



The song fits too.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:17 PM

61. Now I know Why

I have been stomping my feet instead of using my calculator for my math problems.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 05:13 PM

66. The US is not on the list, so this thread is making me hungry!

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #66)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:35 AM

95. Not a problem - the US never checks anything in the food chain anyway ...

... as it might negatively impact the dividends to the shareholders ...

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 06:24 PM

72. Oh god

What's in their salmon then, whale meat?

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 06:24 PM

73. Horse a hidden ingredient in many European foods:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_EUROPE_HIDDEN_HORSE_MEAT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-02-25-16-42-11

Horse a hidden ingredient in many European foods
By SHAWN POGATCHNIK

DUBLIN (AP) -- So hungry you could eat a horse? Chances are, if you've regularly consumed processed-meat products in Europe, you already have.

Since Ireland published surprise DNA results on Jan. 15 showing that a third of frozen "beef" burgers in Ireland contained at least a trace of horse, food scientists in more than a dozen countries have found the animal trotting into products where it was never meant to roam.

Daily revelations from an ever-increasing menu of supermarket, catering and restaurant goods have taught the world one lesson: When minced up with other meat or slathered with spices, consumers cannot tell equine from bovine in the food chain. European horse has yet to be detected in any American-sold products.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:53 PM

76. A company that makes furniture AND food...what could possibly go wrong?

Kind of like a company that makes aspirin and roach killer...oh wait, we have that...

Hopefully, the horses were from Sweden!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 08:12 PM

77. IKEA putting the giddyup in its products........

#giddyup

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:28 PM

81. Neigh!!!!!! NEIGH!!!!!! Say it isn't so!!! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #81)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:29 PM

82. Wilburrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #82)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:34 AM

93. Now I'm holding my sides, busting a gut!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:11 AM

83. Hmmm...I ate the meatballs at the Ikea in Amsterdam and Stockholm

I love those meatballs..... :sob:

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:14 AM

84. They look like mouse turds.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:22 PM

94. I think I am going to become a vegetarian.

I own 5 horses and I know a lot of the medications given them should never end up in a human body.

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