AP source: Dorner's license found in burned cabin

[onehandle]

Source: AP

He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

Authorities believe the remains are those of the former Los Angeles police officer, but they have not been formally identified.

"We have reason to believe that it is him," San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cynthia Bachman said.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/ap-source-dorners-license-found-burned-cabin-144347913.html

[Coyotl]

1. Didn't they know it was Dorner when they decided to burn him to death?

[get the red out]

4. Good point!

Kind of hard to say you're sorry if you turn out to be wrong!

[magical thyme]

9. Whoever was in the cabin had the option of coming out

before any shooting started, but instead shot first, killing one of the two first deputies on the scene and wounding the other.

Once that person started shooting, it was over. The only question was how many LE officials he could kill or wound before they got him first.

[robinlynne]

13. no. you didnt watch. the fire was after they shot hundreds of rounds into the cabin.

[Light House]

19. With him shooting back.

He wasn't going to be taken alive, that much is obvious, he shot and killed one deputy and wounded another as he was entering the cabin for his final stand.
He sealed his fate when he refused to surrender and I could care less how he died, he is no longer a threat to society.

[robinlynne]

49. the point was, "he had the option of coming out". not true.

[Light House]

55. Yes he did have the option of coming out.

He could have put his weapons down and announced that he was surrendering, he CHOSE not to, instead he decided to go out in a blaze of glory, or gory, however you want to view it.
He obviously chose badly.

[magical thyme]

88. exactly.

He could have chosen not to run at all. He could have chosen to turn himself in from the beginning, instead of taking people hostage, hijacking cars, etc.

He made bad choices all along.

It's very sad; clearly he was psychologically extremely disturbed (vast understatement). But he made bad choices once he started down the path to revenge.

[Light House]

90. +1000000000000000000000000.

The people who are blaming the cops for it ending this way are refusing to admit that Dorner chose to end it this way. I think that Dorner never had any intention of being taken alive.
Well, he got what he wanted and I won't shed any tears for this monster. The country and world are a little bit better place without this man.

[Lions_fan]

115. No!

He was wanted Dead, no alive. I think the police proved that when they shot up 2 cars believed to be Dorner without IDing the occupants. They thought the cars they shot up was the cars Droner was driving. They didn't bother to positively ID the occupants, no gunfire came from those cars, the cars weren't driving erratic and trying to hit the police. The police thought he was in the cars and they decided to shot without provocation. Now do you really think if he was trying to surrender they would have let him? Hell, how do we know he didn't try to surrender? We only have one side of the story, and that's the way the police intended it to be from the beginning.

[Incitatus]

119. +1

They had no desire or intention of taking him alive. Maybe he did shoot at the two deputies first, or maybe they were the ones shooting at him as he ran into the woods. If he is guilty of the alleged murders, I can't find sympathy for him. That doesn't change the fact the cops wanted him dead and not alive.

[Light House]

120. Dorner had no intention of being taken alive period.

He chose to die the way he did, he could have surrendered at any time during his week on the run or his final stand at the cabin.
Fact is that Dorner, and Dorner alone, is responsible for what happened to him, He CHOSE to go on a murdering spree, he shot and killed 2 innocent civilians, shot 2 Riverside police officers with one dying, took 2 women hostage, carjacked a vehicle, shot at 2 Fish & Game Wardens, shot 2 San Bernardino Sheriff's deputies with one dying and then CHOSE to continue exchanging gunfire with police surrounding the cabin.
Sorry, I have no sympathy for this monster and the country and world are a better place without him.

[Lions_fan]

121. How do you know he didn't try to surrender?

Maybe he contacted the police and tried to surrender and they told him he was a dead man. Maybe he tried to surrender to the fish and game warden and they shot at him. Maybe he tried to surrender in the cabin and they refused. Maybe he surrendered, they shot him, put his body in the cabin and set it on fire.

Yes I'm speculating because we only have one side of the story. The side from the same people who proved they had no intention of allowing him to surrender when they shot 2 cars believed to be carrying Dorner. Their actions from the beginning proved they never had any intention of capturing him. He was dead on site. So tell me, if you were him would you attempt to surrender?

[Light House]

122. How do I know?

I don't know, but I can make an educated guess that he had no intention of being taken alive because he was still exchanging gunfire with police up to almost the time that the fire started.

[Lions_fan]

123. I can also make an educated guess.

After the police shot up 2 cars of innocent people without warning or being provoked he knew even if he wanted to surrender the police took that option off the table. He could have come out unarmed, butt naked and he still would have been killed by the police. The police cleared the media out, told them to stop with real-time tweets, and ordered news choppers out of the air. If it weren't for a reporter being in the wrong place at the right time we would never know they ordered the house burned down. We have no idea if he tried to surrender or not. But what we do know is that the police took surrender off the table when they shot at those innocent citizens.

[Light House]

125. Let me poke a hole in your theory.

He could have surrendered at any time during his week on the run by coming in with a lawyer, media personnel, and several witness's. But once he showed that he had no intention of surrendering during the final confrontation, all bets were off.
I'm not condoning what the LAPD did to those innocent civilians, the officer involved should be punished and the city of Los Angeles should pay dearly.

[Lions_fan]

128. Ok...

What if instead of the 2 mexican women or the surfer the police shout up, it was Dorner and his Lawyer heading to the police station to turn himself in? You really don't understand. When police start shooting at random vehicles that aren't even the same make and model, but close to it, surrender is taken off the table. Just think about it for a minute. Two Mexican women & a white male are shot at, without warning and without provoking the police, in a case of "mistaken identity." Two Mexican women and a white man were mistaken for being a 6ft 250+lb black male. The police never tried to make a positive identification. The make and models of the vehicles were different from the description given. I know there have been a lot of mistaken identity cases and just going by my memory I've never heard of a case where police shot at random people without notice. Even in cases of mistaken identities police will make an attempt to ID the suspect and make sure the person is the same race and gender as the description and they'll confront the suspect before shooting. In these two cases the police didn't even try to get an ID or try to identify themselves or confront the suspects. They just started shooting at vehicles that somewhat matched the description. That lets me know the order was given to shoot first, questions will be asked later. Surrender was taken off the table by the police from the beginning.

[Light House]

129. I'm not condoning what those officers did.

They should be punished and LA should pay out a huge settlement.
Dorner could have at any time during his week on the run, contacted a lawyer, the media and whatever witness's to escort him to a police station, not necessarily an LAPD station, but some other police dept. and surrendered himself in front of all the witness's, but the bottom line is that he never had any intention of surrendering, he CHOSE the course of action, he CHOSE not to surrender, he CHOSE to go out as he did.
The responsibility for his demise lies with Dorner and Dorner only.

[magical thyme]

87. He has had the option of turning himself in from the beginning

And that is a fact.

It might not have been his preferred option, but once he started running and shooting, he sealed his fate.

[Lions_fan]

124. He never had that option.

Let's assume that Dorner was in the truck, and not the two Mexican women, that the police shot up without warning or identifying themselves. Or the other truck they shot up that the white guy was driving. Was the option of surrendering on the table? It was pretty clear from the beginning by the actions of the police that surrender was taken off the table.

[Historic NY]

126. +500 rounds

[Historic NY]

127. You know what this is no longer a media lead story.......

there last one was about the dead sheriff deputy... the one dorner shot with his snipers rifle in the face....the one that was dead at the scene.......you've seen the pictures. I hope his now 4 month old son never has too.

[Myrina]

24. Unless that dead body had been there awhile ...

Odd isn't it, that the cabin was torched but his license miraculously survived?

And really, it you're a wanted fugitive, are you going to keep your driver's license on you?

[Downwinder]

50. Nothing odd. Passports survive plane crashes.

He might have wanted to rent a car or vote.

[dixiegrrrrl]

62. He might have wanted to rent a car or vote.

You were being sarcastic, right?

[Light House]

64. Luv your sig line.

[dixiegrrrrl]

73. ty.....

it gets down to the essential issue, methinks.

[Light House]

76. That it does.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

92. Or rent a jet ski.

[magical thyme]

96. I missed your reply when I posted a similar idea below

Until DNA testing is complete, there is nothing that says that he didn't escape.

The body could have been there already. Or a homeless person could have broken in and been staying there when Dorner broke in. Or Dorner could have grabbed another hostage along the way...

The driver's license was found inside his wallet, which he may well have kept to hold whatever cash he had.

But while I can see him having his wallet on his person, this was found nearby. Really, he grabbed for his wallet while running to the basement to....what? Why go down there to kill himself. Can't escape the fire down there, either. So why bring the wallet along?

On the other hand, who knows what was going on in his mind...

[Mugweed]

116. No he didn't

If you look at what happened to the two cleaning ladies in the "similar" truck, and the white surfer in the not so "similar" truck, you'll see that the police had no intention of capturing and bringing this man to justice. They intended to kill him. Those other innocents were fired upon by the police without announcement, lights and sirens, attempts to pull over, or any normal procedures. The cops were out to kill this guy, not allow him to surrender and go to a fair trial.

[magical thyme]

118. ok, you make a good point there

on why he would be afraid to surrender. However, he did make the choice to follow the path of revenge, which is how he got into this situation to begin with.

[caseymoz]

17. The doubt over his identity is just procedural

After getting it wrong and shooting at three other people, I think they were certain of who it was. After losing their shit so badly, they now have to make it look professional again so they're not going to confirm the identity until the medical evidence is in.

[magical thyme]

48. another thought. If he had taken a hostage and killed that person

left the body along with his id to throw them off and buy time. Unlikely, but not an impossible scenario.

There was a point yesterday where people were questioning whether he had escaped the cabin.

DNA testing will confirm that he did not escape.

[caseymoz]

74. I doubt the PD would settle for the wrong guy.

He really pissed them off.

[magical thyme]

83. I'm not saying the PD would settle for the wrong guy

What I'm saying is that confirming the identity via DNA testing is more than just procedural.

It is to confirm that something like the scenario I described did not happen and that it really is Dorner's body.

In the very unlikely scenario that it is somebody else and Dorner did manage to escape, then the manhunt will resume.

[lexw]

85. Yeah, I heard that too: there were supposedly foot prints in the snow leading to the horse coral...

but it never was mentioned again. Probably a rumor someone started.

[donco]

58. GOOD

If i had been there i woulda lit the match.

[Zoeisright]

108. Ahhh, the poor guy. Killing cops and innocent Americans, terrorizing the country.

They should have treated him with kids gloves.

[truthisfreedom]

2. Freakin' figure it out. For sure.

Do some DNA matching.

[bemildred]

3. Who else would it be?

Let's get real.

[Xipe Totec]

5. A hostage? nt

[siligut]

11. Right, he has killed others

They need DNA confirmation. This is just a big news story so we hear every little thing, verified or not.

[2pooped2pop]

10. Normally, that would have weight.

But after more than once opening fire on people in the wrong make of vehicle, wrong color, wrong plates, wrong gender and or color, well.....

[SCVDem]

81. Let's paint the entire police forces of So. Cal. with the same brush!

Bad decisions by a few don't apply to all.

Give the police bashing a rest. They are cops, not soldiers and they and their families were all targets.

How many of you anti cop posters live in the area or even the state?

Are your taxes paying for all the increased security and overtime?

Cops are people and they die! Second guessing is easy after the fact.

[2pooped2pop]

91. more and more of what I see is the police departments

are corrupt and work for the rich. And yes paint that large across the country.

That's not saying that all are corrupt but that big black paint cloud does seem to be spreading rapidly.

Though the post you responded to was about the LAPD especially. ANd it does seem that there is merit to the corruption claim.

[tk2kewl]

32. i guess he's dead as a Dorner

[bemildred]

44. There was "suppressed fire" from the cabin.

And Dorner has not proved to be a criminal mastermind by any means. He has given a good account of himself, so to speak, in terms of mayhem, but none of his plans seem to have worked out. So I figure that has to be him in there.

[geek tragedy]

93. Or someone else who decided to open fire at fish and wildlife wardens

and local deputies.

[bemildred]

94. Indeed, could have been anyone, could have been the Easter Bunny. nt

[geek tragedy]

97. That's no ordinary rabbit. Look at the teeth! nt

[bemildred]

99. It's the Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog! nt

[geek tragedy]

100. Maybe the cops used the

Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

[MynameisBlarney]

6. Wasn't his wallet and badge found

by a bus driver on the 7th and turned in to the cops?
Now, it's "found" next to a charred corpse, in a structure fire that was "too hot" to approach for hours and hours?

Yeah...okaaay.

Move along, nothing to see here.

[2pooped2pop]

12. I wonder, if it managed to make it through that hot fire

unscathed? Seems like if the corpse was charred that licencse would be toast.

[roxy1234]

30. Remember it happened in a snow covered

mountain, and seeing the size of the man. I can imagine his license surviving such an inferno if it was sitting in his front pocket and he was lying face down. Those drivers license are hard as hell to destroy

[MynameisBlarney]

46. But.

the license and badge were found and turned in days ago.
IMHO, that makes any claims by the LAPD more suspect than usual.

[robinlynne]

52. This "story' is totally unofficial and anonymous anyway. no way a license survived that fire.

[roxy1234]

54. Again, This is what we expect

with every tragedy in this country. Initially wrong information of events which would most likely be corrected days from now. But personally, I think they got Dorner and must have put out the false license info to calm the citizens down.

Even the incompetent and corrupt LAPD is not stupid enough to say the killed Dorner while he is on the loose. This leads me to conclude that they at least killed Dorner at the time of the license recovery was reported.

[muriel_volestrangler]

57. 'a picture ID' and badge were found; it wasn't specified it was a driver's license

A shuttle bus driver turns in a wallet with an LAPD badge and a picture ID of Dorner to San Diego police

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/los-angeles-cop-killing-timeline_n_2641871.html

It may well have been an LAPD picture ID, going by the way that's phrased; I can't find anything saying it was a driver's license.

[Light House]

60. It probably was his LAPD picture ID.

Most cops carry their shield and police ID in a separate wallet. When a cop is issued their ID's, they receive 2 shields, one for their uniform and a wallet badge.

[Light House]

65. It didn't say his license was turned in to San Diego police

it says a picture ID was turned in which was most likely his LAPD picture ID. Most cops carry their shield and police ID in a separate wallet.
I know I've said this several times in this thread, but most people don't know this.

[kestrel91316]

31. Nobody said it was "unscathed". And house fires, like other structure

fires, do not char all contents equally.

I was a volunteer firefighter long ago - I know a thing or two about fires.

[2pooped2pop]

35. of course you are correct and

I was assuming with it's proximity to the charred corpse that it had a pretty good chance of being toast in that paper burns faster than the body, I would think.

But actually my comment was tongue in cheek regarding the 9-11 "hijackers" id being found so quickly, as if to prove who did it.

[Light House]

38. Modern DL's aren't made of paper

and can survive all kinds of things, especially if in a wallet.

[2pooped2pop]

42. now I am curious

I have my last id around here somewhere. If I locate it I am def going to try to burn it.

[Light House]

47. If it's anything like my DL

it'll melt before it burns, but if it's protected by a wallet, it could very well survive a fire.

[robinlynne]

53. Did you see the fire?

[kestrel91316]

110. Not in person. Nor did you. Stuff doesn't burn equally.

[marions ghost]

86. And if he was in the basement

maybe he died of smoke inhalation before being burned, or partly burned.

[Light House]

34. Most cops I know keep their shield and ID separate from their regular wallet.

Reason being that most cops don't want to be known as cops when off duty, hence just his shield and ID being found separate in San Diego.

[Nay]

79. But Dorner's shield(s) and LAPD ID would have been taken from him when he was fired, right?

Why would they have been found in the cabin or by the bus driver?

[Light House]

82. Not necessarily.

He could claim that his wallet containing the wallet badge and police ID were stolen. It would be a plausible explanation that the LAPD couldn't disprove.

[robinlynne]

111. makes sense.

[Agnosticsherbet]

101. No, it was a picture ID and his badge, not his driver's license. Link below to time line.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/christopher-dorner-drivers-license-id-cabin-_n_2677590.html#64_timeline-of-dorner-manhunt

[Freddie Stubbs]

7. Dorner kebab

[eggplant]

22. That is so completely tasteless I have to give it a +1. n/t

[geek tragedy]

98. At least he stopped smoking last night. nt

[Light House]

105. Naw.

He was probably still smoking this morning, (read smoldering.)

[midwest irish]

8. I call bull crap

It was reported last week that Dorner's wallet was found in San Diego.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22574920/key-events-hunt-ex-la-cop-christopher-dorner

" Thursday, Feb. 7: A shuttle bus driver turns in a wallet with an LAPD badge and a picture ID of Dorner to San Diego police. The wallet was found fewer than five miles from the boat, near San Diego International Airport. "

Just google Dorner wallet + San Diego.

He clearly didnt have his wallet because the police reported it was in their possession. So you're telling me that this guy left his wallet in San Diego, it got turned into the police, then he somehow got it back because it was so crucial to his plan of hiding out in the woods? Negate for a moment the fact that his wallet was in a police evidence room; why would he be carrying a wallet in his situation? Was he worried his ID would get checked at a gas station when he went to buy some smokes? The ID is only a hindrance both in the space it takes up and revealing his identity if questioned. What was the rational for him to have it?

It is clear that the cops brought the wallet with them and then planted the evidence on the dead body in the cabin. This is, after all, the LAPD we are talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if they beat him to death and then started the fire and initiated the "standoff" to hide the evidence from the coroner. Then the id was planted to prove it was him.

[2pooped2pop]

16. omg! sadly too true.

This is, after all, the LAPD we are talking about. I would be surprised if they beat him to death and then started the fire and initiated the "standoff" to hide the evidence from the coroner. Then the id was planted to prove it was him.

It would be almost comical if good people didn't have to live with bad cops.

[dixiegrrrrl]

20. Good point...

I had missed the news about the first wallet find, and your excerpt came in handy.
Also there were reports a body was found, a body was pulled out of the burned cabin and then denials of same.
guess they got the story straight overnight.

also, reports of his "burned truck" ...now I am wondering exactly how burned the truck was, who burned it and if it was his truck.

Alternate weird theory:
Dorner's accusations about the LAPD stroked some restlessness among the troops, and a plan was hatched
for him to quietly disappear, while a very public death was arranged via shootout.
It emerged that he did have possible contact with one or more other people. they could have been the go beween.

Maybe I will wait for the movie.

[Light House]

21. Most cops I know

carry a separate wallet for their shield and ID. Pretty standard procedure.

[Nay]

80. Fired cops don't have a shield or police ID at all, do they?

[Light House]

84. No.

But he could've claimed that the wallet containing his wallet badge and police ID were stolen and LAPD would have no way of disproving it no matter how suspicious they were of his claim.

A wallet badge is different from a uniform badge, a uniform badge is usually either slightly concave or curved while a wallet badge is slightly smaller and flat to fit in a recessed area of a wallet badge.

[caseymoz]

25. You're right. The ID story is false.

But your scenario might, by chance, have happened, but how could they have captured him? It's widely known (and unfortunately accepted) that if you kill a cop, you're likely going to be shot on sight or you'll die in custody.

Dorner would know this. Why would he have been captured alive? He might have run out of ammunition, but he could have set the fire, then. Perhaps as suicide, perhaps hoping to escape.

The police deliberately setting fire to the cabin makes sense, but their capturing him first doesn't. They know if they shoot the guy, no one will question it. Burning him to death while he's pinned inside the cabin is a horrible enough death. Beating him first seems like overkill even for this case.

[midwest irish]

36. All true

Good points.

It should also be noted that Dorner requested his brain be donated to science for research. It was one of his final requests in his manifesto. It then seems unlikely that he would set the fire and destroy the ability to fulfill his final wish.

[madmom]

41. No actually it's all

Obama's doing..he did it all, he wants that 3rd term and figures if he pulls a Rambo, he's a shoe in..

[Light House]

45. What's funny is this conspiracy theory

that the wallet found in San Diego last week with his shield and ID, is the same wallet found in the charred remains of the cabin, what most people don't know is that most cops carry their shield and ID in a separate wallet so's not to be ID'd as a cop when their off duty.
The wallet found at the cabin was probably his regular wallet containing his DL, credit cards and whatnot.

[madmom]

56. If nothing else this place is always good for a chuckle with it's

conspiracy theories, sometimes I wonder if they are trying to best the freepers.(and I'm sad to say, sometimes they do!)

[dixiegrrrrl]

68. I WANT a good conspiracy theory!!!!

It has been dull as dishwater around here for months.
No aliens, no flying saucers, and now the Candidate Clown Car is empty...
I need a mystery!!!!

[midwest irish]

66. How did he have a badge?

He hasnt been a cop since, what, 2008 or something?

***no sarcasm or rudeness intended. Actual honest question. Thanks

[Light House]

71. When new cops are sworn in,

they are issued 2 badges, one for their uniforms and a wallet badge, he probably turned in his uniform badge but not his wallet badge.
He may have claimed that his wallet badge was either lost or stolen.

No sarcasm or rudeness taken.

[Agnosticsherbet]

102. That was a "Picture ID" not driver's license.

It is not good to read beyound what it says in the link.

[appleannie1]

14. Purposely burn him and then identify him. How does a wallet and license that are

in police hands in San Diego survive a fire in San Bernadino that completely destroys everything else? HMMMMM

[PasadenaTrudy]

18. That's what I'm wondering too! n/t

[dbackjon]

63. Read replies in this thread

Most cops keep separate wallets for Police ID, etc.

Especially since Dorner was no longer a cop, he wouldn't have a reason to carry that on his person.

[Agnosticsherbet]

103. It was a picture ID, not a license.

Lots of places give picture ID's, police department, military, university to name a few.

[robinlynne]

15. how could a drivers license survive that raging fire? sure.

[KoKo]

23. Wasn't one of the 9/11 Hi-jackers identity found

lying on the sidewalk near the Towers rubble? It just "floated down" untouched.

(sorry...being snarky) but it does sound like this was a plant by the LAPD since some here said they'd read LAPD already had all of his identification.

[Light House]

27. LAPD only had his shield and his police ID

most cops I know carry those in a separate wallet.

[davsand]

28. I thought that same thing!

I probably need to just strap on my tin foil hat, but I had that same exact thought. Finding his license there only means his license was in that house--period. Now, if they can ID dental records or some other form of biological confirmation can be done, I'll feel a lot more confident of the death announcement.


Laura

[midwest irish]

40. if they can ID dental records or some other form of biological confirmation

I agree. The one issue then remaining is the cause of death. We dont know, and likely never will, whether Dorner died from the fire, a police bullet, a self-inflicted gunshot wound, or a beating that ended in a staged standoff and a deliberately set fire to burn the body.

[uppityperson]

51. If he isn't turned into ash, totally burnt, they can tell a lot during an autopsy.

It will take a while though so if anyone says they know the reason right off, they are just talking empty words.

[lynne]

69. It was in his wallet -

- usually stuff in wallets is pressed together and that prevents air from entering, discouraging combustion. Office I worked in had a fire and we found that things pressed together in a similar fashion - such as large stacks of files - didn't burn as easily as the uncompressed items surrounding them.

The leather of the wallet would have protected it, as well.

[Posteritatis]

117. I worked in residential disaster restoration for a few years. You'd be surprised. (nt)

[nc4bo]

26. Guess we're going to have to wait for the official story

or better yet, wait until they get all their stories straight because:

He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

There are only two things we know for sure and one is that Dorner was a cold blooded murderer. The second thing is law enforcement is not worthy of our blind trust.

[Light House]

29. Thank you!!!

I luv the conspiracy theories going on here.

[roxy1234]

33. if LEO are not worthy of our blind trust

then how else do you know Dorner was a cold blooded murderer? Couldn't he be framed like one of those hollywood movies?

[robinlynne]

112. well, because the dead couple were who they were. Policeman's daughter engaged to a policeman.

[MynameisBlarney]

43. But doesn't the part about not trusting

the LAPD kinda undermine the part about knowing for sure that Dorner was a cold blooded killer?

[nc4bo]

61. Didn't he call Monica Quan's father saying that her death was punishment against him?

But yeah you're right - let me correct myself and state - suspected or alleged cold blooded murderer.

And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

[MynameisBlarney]

67. That I don't know

That's the first I've heard that.

[nc4bo]

70. Then there is this post over on GD showing where he makes the admissions

of what he's done and what he intends to do.
€
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2352560

I mean he did write that and he wanted the world to know that he wrote it.

[MynameisBlarney]

75. Geeeezus

that's pretty fucked up.

[nc4bo]

78. But the LAPD shot with the intent to injure or kill innocent people in the process of

of capturing Dorner and this is something that I hope doesn't get lost in all of this. The PD did this before they even confirmed one ID. This is outrageous.

There are conflicting reports that they intentionally burned down that cabin but what I find most disturbing is even having to ask did they know with 100% reliability that there was no other people inside.

Then there is the issue of possible police corruption within the LAPD and perhaps other PDs that really needs to be investigated and then dealt with.

[marions ghost]

89. Before launching the incendiary device

whatever it was, it was intentional IMO--they DID (apparently) rough up the house to the point that anyone who wanted to live would have left it.

I'm not saying there's not police corruption and the shooting of the wrong vehicle is reprehensible. They were just lucky not to kill the two women...not very comforting.

[Agnosticsherbet]

104. Well, it does sound like a plot from CSI. n/t

[LanternWaste]

113. The third thing is there are more conspiracy theories on this than there are Von Trapp family singer

"The second thing is.."


The third thing is there are more conspiracy theories on this than there are Von Trapp family singers...

The fourth thing is more than a mere handful people sitting in drum circles, smelling incense and salivating at the thought of any one of the CT to be true to better validate their mistrust...


The fifth thing is... and on and on and on...

[nc4bo]

114. What.ever.

[Trajan]

37. We had a house fire that "destroyed everything"

Except, it didn't actually destroy everything ... there were nooks and crannies where stuff didn't burn, or was slightly singed ... For instance, most of the family pictures survived because they were in a container that was in a deep drawer ... quite a few objects survived because they were set in drawers in furniture that burned in the outside, but had unburned spots inside ...

[PDJane]

39. If anyone thinks that Dorner was going to be able to give himself up

And be given a day in court? That was never in the cards. It's much easier to paint him as a crazy renegade if you can't get your hands on a real person.

[geek tragedy]

95. He shot at fish and wildlife rangers and a deputy.

He was on the run. he had every opportunity to simply put down his weapons, meet with a third party (clergy, social workers, friends, acquaintances, family, news media) and arrange a surrender.

Sorry, but you can't blame police for his decision to go out guns blazing.

[onenote]

106. If anyone thinkds that Dorner had any intention of giving himself up.

And any desire to have a day in court? That was never in the cards. Its much easier to paint him as the victim in this if you ignore what he said and did.

[Ed Suspicious]

59. "Let's burn this mother fucker out!" ~ LAPD

I'm not crying tears for the murderer, but I would call the LAPD the executioner without hesitation. I'm quite certain that's not supposed to be their role.

[Cali_Democrat]

107. Jury trials are for sissies

[Downwinder]

72. Best way to tell if Dorner is deceased.

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Has LAPD shot up any surfers or newspaper ladies in the last tweleve hours?

[Sunlei]

77. I don't understand why they tore the walls down and burned the place, except they wanted him dead.

They knew it was him, how many people would act like the man did.

There could have been people in that cabin with him and I don't think the police had any patience or care about innocent humans.

[struggle4progress]

109. Tests to Show if Fugitive Died in California Cabin

By IAN LOVETT, JENNIFER MEDINA, MICHAEL WILSON, FERNANDA SANTOS and CHRISTINE HAUSER
Published: February 13, 2013

BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. — Investigators on Wednesday were examining the charred human remains found in a burned-out cabin here to determine whether they are those of Christopher J. Dorner, the former Los Angeles police officer sought in the region’s largest manhunt, who is believed to have been inside the cabin as it burned down around him after the authorities pinned him down inside.

The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office said that identification of the remains “will be attempted through forensic means” — although investigators say there is little doubt they belong to Mr. Dorner.

As the authorities continued efforts to identify the remains, Lt. Andrew Neiman of the Los Angeles Police Department said Wednesday that the police were focusing on their homicide investigation, sifting through “over a thousand” clues, and noting that the police “don’t just stop a murder case because we think the suspect is no longer with us.”

“We have a case to close,” Lieutenant Neiman said in a briefing with reporters ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/us/dorner-california-remains-police-shootout.html?_r=0