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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:10 PM

Detroit employee could face punishment for shooting would-be robbers

Source: Mlive

In one of the most violent cities in the U.S., Detroit employees, even those entering some of the city's roughest neighborhoods on a daily basis, may not arm themselves while on the job, based on a 2010 order.

Anthony Neely, a spokesman for Mayor Dave Bing, said the city has not yet determined if it will impose penalties — up to and including termination — against a 59-year-old Public Lighting employee who shot two teens he claimed were armed and attempting to rob him and his co-worker.

Detroit police say the teens — 16 and 17 — approached with a weapon and announced their intent to rob the lighting employees, who were working on a utility pole between Cloverlawn and Northlawn in Detroit about 9 p.m. Thursday.

One of the lighting workers, licensed to carry a concealed weapon, had a gun, pulled it and shot the suspects.



Read more: http://www.mlive.com/detroit-river/index.ssf/2013/02/detroit_employee_could_face_pu.html#incart_river_default



Fired for not being a victim?

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Reply Detroit employee could face punishment for shooting would-be robbers (Original post)
SpartanDem Feb 2013 OP
proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #1
Michigan-Arizona Feb 2013 #2
Lasher Feb 2013 #3
SpartanDem Feb 2013 #5
proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #6
louis-t Feb 2013 #12
musical_soul Feb 2013 #13
MrScorpio Feb 2013 #4
Deep13 Feb 2013 #7
LanternWaste Feb 2013 #17
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #8
Socal31 Feb 2013 #9
ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #10
Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #11
SpartanDem Feb 2013 #16
Barrett50 Feb 2013 #14
Bo Feb 2013 #15

Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:20 PM

1. When I was in Detroit last summer, we were told that no one can call 911

Is that true? The Detroit natives who told us said if you call, no one comes. All crime reports are walked into local police stations.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:42 PM

2. Where hubby worked

He worked in E. Detroit where no one would deliver any carry-outs, was told by most not to stop at red light's or stop sign's ( he would work afternoons & midnights sometimes )..... He mostly worked day's......A co-worker needed a ride home at midnight (black guy) & hubby offered to drive him home, the guy looked at him & ask him if he was crazy. He was a super nice guy & hubby drove him home.....He also told hubby don't stop anywhere.....

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:52 PM

3. I don't know if that's true, but it sounds like the police protection we have where I live.

Go ahead and call 911 all you want but nobody's going to show up until after you have been victimized. When and if they do eventually show up they'll usually just go through the motions.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:18 PM

5. Not even remotely true

some things have to be reported in person like if you wake up and find your car stolen, but Detroit has 911 for emergencies like every other city. Response time though is definitely a major issue.

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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:25 PM

6. Maybe that's what they meant.

Fortunately we never had to call while we were there. But we did get into a huge traffic jam and sat for over an hour on a highway. When we finally drove by a wreck, we were surprised to see no cops or other emergency vehicles.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:48 PM

12. Unless you are bleeding, Detroit Police won't respond for hours.

"Low priority" being the key words. Understaffed.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:59 PM

13. Not sure about Detroit....

but when I worked for a convenience store, we were told not to press the alarm button until after the robbers were gone. Reason being is because this opens the door to a hostage situation if the cops come before the robber leaves the building.

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:11 PM

4. Detroit…

Where nice guys don't finish.

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:12 PM

7. Or "why handgun prohibitionists are elitist hypocrits."

Yeah, guns make Detroit a more violent place than it otherwise would be. The problem is people still have to live and work there without being victimized.

And to anyone who says, "they should have given the robbers what they wanted" can metaphorically ride the toe of my boot to hell.
-How do you know the robbers would not have killed them anyway?
-What makes you think working class people can just give away property to anyone who threats (see reply title).
-It wasn't theirs.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:17 PM

17. When working graveyard shift at a convenience store on the east side of Ft Worth in the late 80's,

When working graveyard shift at a convenience store on the east side of Ft Worth in the late 80's, I was robbed nine times in two years-- five at gunpoint. Gave them precisely what they wanted...

And although I enjoy the petulant sentiment of both your toe and hell, no thanks-- I survived with a few good stories, and the manager kept his business via the mechanism of insurance.




Is "Prohibitionists" the new bumper-sticker you guys invented? Cool story, bro!!!

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:32 PM

8. Come on NRA step up and get a lawyer for this guy

put your money where your mouth is

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:39 PM

9. The shooter didn't do anything criminal it seems.

Even if fired, nobody should sue. The NRA should hire him or re-place him somewhere else. Detriot needs help, and a lawsuit only makes the situation worse. Suing your city = suing your neighbors.

Keep him hired, and instead of the money the NRA would have spent litigating going to lawyers, hire a few teachers, or buy school-books. Fix some roads. After-school programs to end the cycle of violence.

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:50 PM

10. Well he did violate a city employee executive order

but this just shows that perhaps that order isn't a good idea.

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:25 PM

11. Questions not asked in this NRA propaganda piece.

How were these kids armed? " approached with a weapon and announced their intent to rob the lighting employees". How polite of them

What kind of weapon?

And how did they announce "their intent to rob"?

Do we really want armed utility workers acting as LE?

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:59 PM

16. Does this answers your question about the "propaganda"

Niko Brown, 17, and his brother Devontay Brown, 16, are believed to have attempted an armed robbery of two Detroit lighting employees working on a light pole at the corner of Schoolcraft and Cloverlawn about 9 p.m. Feb. 6, according to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office.

"It is alleged that Niko Brown was armed with a weapon accompanied by Devontay Brown when they robbed the men of their money," the prosecutor's office said in a release Wednesday. "After the defendants took the money, it is further alleged that they attempted to rob one of the workers of a phone while Niko Brown placed a weapon to his head.

"The other worker was able to retrieve a weapon, fired shots and wounded both defendants."

They were arraigned from the hospital Tuesday and a preliminary examination is scheduled for Feb. 25. Cash or surety bonds were set at $300,000 for Niko Brown and $100,000 for Devontay Brown.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2013/02/detroit_teen_brothers_arraigne.html#incart_river

For the record I don't think utility workers should be acting as LE, but if one gets robbed and uses a gun they're licensed to own in defending themselves they shouldn't lose their jobs over it.

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Response to SpartanDem (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:17 PM

15. Should the "NationalGaurd" be called in to keep the peace in the "WarZone"?

I mean it sounds like Peru in the 80s.....with Sendero Luminoso all over the place.

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