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alp227

(32,020 posts)
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 09:14 PM Dec 2011

Travis AFB asked to move menorah, nativity



The nativity scene at the corners of Travis Ave and Skymaster Drive on Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield California has come under fire from an organization based in New Mexico. The military free-religion group claims the holiday decorations at the base's main intersection that include SantaÕs, reindeer -- and a nativity scene and a menorah, are unconstitutional promotion of a religion and asked that the overtly religious decorations be moved to the base's chapel nearby.

Photo: Lance Iversen / The Chronicle

A holiday display at Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield might inspire a seasonal spirit in some viewers, but it's stirring up less-than-jolly resentment in others.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation, a national group, has written to the base, arguing that the display's inclusion of a large menorah and nativity scene implies an endorsement of some religions. The display also includes other items, including reindeer, Christmas trees and airplanes.

In a letter to the base, the group writes that the religious symbols send "an unmistakable message to viewers that the Air Force endorses the beliefs and tenets of two monotheistic religions" and violates the Constitution's freedom of religion clause.

The group has asked the base to move the religious items to the lawn of the nearby chapel instead of keeping them at a main thoroughfare intersection.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/15/BA8C1MD1KS.DTL
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Travis AFB asked to move menorah, nativity (Original Post) alp227 Dec 2011 OP
Seems fair to move the nativity scene near the chapel tawadi Dec 2011 #1
this is a Christmas gift to the right-wingers Enrique Dec 2011 #2
+1 HuckleB Dec 2011 #5
Silly, imo. elleng Dec 2011 #3
Much ado about nothing. 1620rock Dec 2011 #4
maybe I'm glad I retired when I did gejohnston Dec 2011 #6
If the complaint really came from service members at the base, then I support it petronius Dec 2011 #7
The military personnel in these installations are effectively a captive audience. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #8
Basic Training bases might have captive audiences. Most people come and go with 24601 Dec 2011 #9

tawadi

(2,110 posts)
1. Seems fair to move the nativity scene near the chapel
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 09:18 PM
Dec 2011

It's not as if anybody wants it removed completely.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
2. this is a Christmas gift to the right-wingers
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 09:23 PM
Dec 2011

screaming about this stuff is their favorite part of the Christmas season, it might be the ONLY thing they like about it. They might even think that's the purpose of Christmas.

Notice I said Christmas three times. I'm doing that to spite them.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
6. maybe I'm glad I retired when I did
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 11:56 PM
Dec 2011

in my day, the base commander would be getting a call from the numbered Air Force commander yelling WTF.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
7. If the complaint really came from service members at the base, then I support it
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:27 AM
Dec 2011

The chapel would seem to be the appropriate place for overtly religious symbology, so long as all faiths on the base have equal access to the facility...

 

Boston_Chemist

(256 posts)
8. The military personnel in these installations are effectively a captive audience.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 08:09 PM
Dec 2011

Shoving religion down their throats is unamerican and abusive. This is not "much ado about nothing."

24601

(3,961 posts)
9. Basic Training bases might have captive audiences. Most people come and go with
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 08:30 PM
Dec 2011

great frequency and ease on this base.

What's hard is for non-ID hard holders to get on base. So this is more of a case of keeping religion away from the general population.

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