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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:23 PM

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Breaking: Obama hosts George H.W. and Jeb Bush at White House



Unbeknownst to the press, President Obama met this evening with former president George H.W. Bush and his son, former Florida governor Jeb Bush in the Oval Office.

White House officials did not list the meeting on the president's schedule but released a photo through Flickr and Twitter.

According to the date and time stamp on the photo, it was taken shortly after 5 p.m. That's about the time Obama returned to the White House from a fundraiser at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel.

White House officials did not immediately respond to questions about the subject of the meeting and its exclusion from Obama's public schedule.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/01/obama-hosts-george-hw-and-jeb-bush-at-white-house-112638.html

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:08 PM

38. +1 (No offense taken and hopefully not given I'm a female)

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:53 PM

48. So sorry there Ma'am.

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:52 AM

150. Breaking in, cuz as you read down here, no one takes this seriously. What a shame, DENIAL.

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Four days before the florida primary? many short memories here at du....

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:50 PM

176. I know, you think he HW still has sex with Babs?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:25 PM

2. I wonder what's up with the wheelchair?

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:26 PM

6. Wow - I didn't even notice that! nt

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:39 PM

21. He's an 87 year old man.

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Response to Richardo (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:48 PM

29. yeah, so?

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he was still skydiving 2 years ago. this is a man who has always had the best of everything including health care. hard for me to believe that he is to weak and fragile to walk on his own two feet especially since there's been nothing in the press to indicate and illness or injury.

evil people like him seem to live forever. I figure it's because God doesn't want them and the devil doesn't want the competition in hell.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:29 PM

76. Exactly

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"I figure it's because God doesn't want them and the devil doesn't want the competition in hell."
Ditto

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:56 AM

92. He was probably wounded during some violent, horrific black op against Castro..n/t

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:53 AM

105. Actually, he wanted to sit in Dick Cheney's last known chair in Washington..

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I'll bet the stain is still on it

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 04:30 PM

138. 2 years is a long time

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But if we are going to spin yarns, maybe he and Barbara got a little too frisky and he strained something. That accounts for the wheelchair, the lack of press coverage for any injury, etc.

But seriously. 2 years can be an eternity, health wise. Especially in your 80's and 90's. Things can change quickly. I knew a 92 year old who had worked until he was 91, then something changed and he started having trouble walking and had to move to assisted care. A relative of mine did manual labor on his farm until he was 97, then something gave way, and he was bedridden the last few years of his life.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #138)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:11 AM

149. I don't care what the fuck they do

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as long as they don't reproduce again.

(responding to your serious note, yes. There are those who continue an active life way longer than one would anticipate them to, and then from one moment to the next they fall apart. I've heard that no matter what, we all die. Maybe it will get even me.)

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:19 AM

180. Arthritis maybe

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not uncommon in a man of his age...

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Response to Richardo (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:22 PM

160. "man" is a term to be construed loosely in his case... n/t

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:43 PM

24. He's 87 years old. Maybe he just can't walk very far on his own.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:02 PM

37. Maybe Jeb tagged along to escort his dad and push the wheelchair?

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Babs couldn't manage it, so Jebbie volunteered.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 07:19 PM

166. 87 and has a head of black hair.

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and only a few wrinkles, from what I've seen.

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Response to provis99 (Reply #166)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:21 PM

169. I had an uncle who had only a little gray at the temples when he died at the age of 95.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:56 PM

34. Poppy Bush stubbed his toe while stepping over homeless people

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Lucky for him he signed the ADA into law, and can now benefit from it!

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Response to Occupy_2012 (Reply #71)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:56 AM

122. And while everyone here seems to think he would have a cadilac of wheelchairs. These are practical

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and I cannot see him spending money on something that he may only need occasionally.

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Response to Occupy_2012 (Reply #71)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:53 PM

157. There was a rumor..

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that Pops was at Ft. Hood when the shooting took place. If he took a bullet, it would certainly affect his health. His visit to the hospital is not documented anywhere I could find. But GW and Laura DID go right to the hospital that day .. supposedly for the victims. Does that sound like them?

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 05:54 AM

100. I wondered who that black guy growing out of his elbow was

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then I realized it was a desk ornament.

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Response to onethatcares (Reply #100)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 09:56 AM

111. Why did I think the same thing?

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I was thinking, he is laying it on thick with a bust of MLK, Jr. as one of the handles. LOL (said crest meant bust)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:26 PM

3. I'm dying to hear what that was about! nt

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Response to gateley (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:02 AM

87. We will never know!

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Response to gateley (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:16 AM

88. Probably Poppy Bush and Jeb pleading for Obama to pardon Dubya

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Obama probably found the dirt on Dubya needed for a conviction. Dubya's daddy trying to get him out of another jam.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #88)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 04:44 AM

96. I'd gladly approve of a pardon for "W" in exchange for Cheney held w/o bail, the gag order lifted...

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from Sible Edmonds, and the release of all materials that she identifies as evidence of 1st degree felonies and above.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #88)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:04 AM

154. I would think that was James Baker III's job since..

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he is known as that families cleaner.

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Response to gateley (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:50 AM

120. Probably asking Obama to invade Iran

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Response to gateley (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:04 PM

123. I think they are there

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To tell him what he will be allowed to do should he be re-elected.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:26 PM

4. He already had the Bruins so maybe he's packing all the lowlife visits in one week

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:26 PM

7. We need you in the sports forum

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:21 AM

116. really? How's Matt Cook?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:36 PM

133. Oh, no you dit'ent!! Go Bruins! nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:26 PM

5. Is Sr. in a wheelchair now?

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I wonder what they talked about. Jeb probably said "don't worry about Romney and Gingrich. You got this in the bag."

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:34 PM

15. Personally I think it's just a prop

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I mean, why would he have a run of the mill manual wheelchair? Even my mother who gets 600.00 social security has an Amigo.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:37 PM

18. a la Cheney @ Obama's inauguration, so he wouldn't have to stand?

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OR, he's old and crickety.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:45 PM

28. Quite simple really

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He get to have a servant person push him around. You don't expect him to drive his own car either do you? Same idea.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:34 PM

58. could just be kept handy at the WH. Presumably, poppy Bush's own could rival Larry Flynt's. n/t

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 04:33 PM

139. Does your mother have lifetime Secret Servce at beck and call

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to provide horsepower?

Why would he get an electric when you know he has people to do power, especially if he anticipates being able to recover from whatever put him in the chair?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:36 PM

17. More likely, "When they broker this convention, I'm gonna kick your ass!"

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:46 PM

64. Somehow I doubt it.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:45 PM

27. I'm sure that's exactly what he said!

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:50 PM

30. Looks that way.

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Check out this article from last OCT: http://articles.boston.com/2011-10-12/news/30271691_1_tax-hike-dogs-aisles

I think this "meeting" has to do with the ALFALFA CLUB, and nothing more. That's just my guess. See downthread.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:27 PM

9. EE-vil-B-gone....

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Glad to see Poppy is looking hale and hearty. Imagine how much better the world would be if he and Cheney both checked out in the same week....

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Response to mike_c (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:15 PM

69. If That Week had been Decades Ago n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:28 PM

10. So how does this tie in with Jeb's visit to China recently? hmmm n/t

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Response to teddy51 (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:34 PM

16. I suspect that may be the case. Jeb could have been delivering a personal message

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from the Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:48 PM

81. Makes sense. And it does answer the China visit. He was sent there by Obama.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:28 PM

11. I'll bet it has something to do with the change of character

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President Obama has taken of late. the bfee is worried about right now of if they aren't they should be.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:30 PM

12. The old man loves going to the WH

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And Obama is gracious. I would imagine the Bush family initiated this.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:32 PM

13. Poppi got Jeb in to case the joint..

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Believe me, Jebbie will attempt to break back in..

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Response to denbot (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:38 PM

20. ...to case the joint...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:33 PM

14. Hey, no reason to have The Chimp there, but maybe

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Barack wanted to know, "have you guys ever thought about how
to get our country back from the Secret Over-Lords, the Oligarchs?"

"I'm open to suggestions," he said in the scenario that would make
the best sense. (In the best of all possible worlds, if there's any
reason to hang on to Hope any more.)

On the down-low, with no one there to capture the audio, maybe
it was an exploratory session.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:37 PM

19. That's really odd.

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There is a tradition among presidents that they'll meet with a predecessor any time if they wish. This is the second time Bush 41 has dragged Jeb along for his meeting with Obama.

I've read the older Bush wants Jeb to get into the Republican race but this really seems to be wasting the current president's time.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:42 PM

22. "White House officials did not list the meeting on the president's schedule" ??????????

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What's THAT all about?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:57 PM

49. Most transparent administration in history?

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Yes, really sunshiny in the White House these days.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:44 PM

62. So are you claiming the Obama admin tried to HIDE the meeting???

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But they then immediately released a photo???



Ohhh ... scary.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #62)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:01 AM

82. No, all I'm saying is, it doesn't meet the promised standards of openness

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And no, it's not scary. In fact, it's a joke compared to other ways this administration has attacked and stomped on openness, prosecuting whistleblowers with panache, squelching trials by claiming classified information is involved. Do you know about those? Those are scary. This is merely an enigma.

They didn't take questions about it beforehand. And even though they schedule everything else (that they want to tell us), for some reason they didn't want people asking about it prior.

Yes, so they nicely released the photo after the fact, when they didn't have to release anything. So, now we have public record of 1/20th of a second of a meeting that was concealed from us beforehand. And you call that admitting anything? You call that disclosure? You call that open?

You so prove the point that by showing somebody like you a little, the White House can hide a lot. And maybe this meeting isn't the scary one, but for some reason, they decided they didn't want to be questioned about it beforehand, or after, in fact, because, if you didn't notice, they also released the picture late on a Friday afternoon.

And why ask why they didn't want to be questioned about it? You have your 1/20th of a second of record accounted for. You don't want to irritate our elected official with your funny curiosity. Not after you probably donated to his election.

He is hiding something about this. It might be scary, or it might be merely annoying.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #82)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:21 AM

89. By Your Line Of Reasoning

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Obama should have posted on the internet the date and time he was hitting the bin Laden compound.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #89)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:18 AM

94. No, that's not by my line of reasoning.

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WTF does a military action have to do with openness and honesty of government with its citizens, which was a promise Obama made very explicitly? And when he made it, he didn't say, "And we'll give bin Laden fair warning that we're coming," which would have been an important enough corollary to his transparency in government policy to bear mentioning. So, if my logic goes in that direction, surely a wise leader like Obama would have beaten me to the punch. Therefore, I take it that you think Obama is smart and right about this, meaning you're mistaken.

I acknowledge that, for openness, this was a trivial thing compared to the most harmful things the administration has done. Or that's the way it looks, since we can't draw any conclusions about it from the scant detail they released. All I could say is, their behavior about it is either deliberately dodgy or secretive due to some rigid protocol or policy that's itself secret.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:38 AM

91. Maybe they were "just in the neighborhood" and dropped in.

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I've had former owners of my house do that.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:42 PM

23. Can the Bush family please just GO AWAY?

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Response to Auggie (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:36 PM

162. yeah, I want to piss on their graves, and my bladder's geting REEEEALLLLLY FULL!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:45 PM

25. This is horrifying

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I don't ever want to see another Shrub in that building, for any reason.

Blah.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:15 PM

40. Well maybe if they're being placed under arrest - the Shrubs I mean. nt

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Response to TBF (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:16 PM

42. Ok, you found a reason.

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I could get on board for that.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:38 PM

45. I wouldnt count on that though if I were you since historically

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few of those who are or were in a seat of power get arrested often unless their defeated by an invading country or arrested following a revolt.
In fact I am willing to wager that I'm more likely to hit the jackpot in the lottery this weekend than Bush jr is of ever being arrested and tried for the things many of us believe he did.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:58 PM

50. Not shrub. Big Bush. nt

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:35 PM

59. One can Edward Scissorhands them into any topiary of choosing.

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They are ALL Shrubs to me.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:45 PM

26. Maybe the Alfalfa Club is planning on nominating JEB as President, and they're trying to put some

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schtick into Obama's speech for the occasion.

The Alfalfa Club nominates their own pick for President every year--the sitting US Prez usually addresses the bunch. Lots of times, their pick has gotten the nod a year, or five, later....

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:50 PM

31. Jeb in the running to succeed Hillary?

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or maybe Poppy?

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Response to Enrique (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:01 PM

36. Or Arne Duncan?

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Response to hay rick (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:24 AM

95. Couldn't be any worse in that position

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Jeb is vile, but so is Arne.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:22 PM

72. I know he said he was going to make the left mad at him

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but that would be carrying things a bit too far!!!

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Response to Enrique (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:38 PM

78. I'm sorry, but that suggestion is absolutely out of the relm

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of possibility.

Honest.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #31)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:55 AM

106. That's what I also thought...

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Jeb follows Hillary, or possibly we get REALLY bi-partisan and be running mate.

Wake me up, or talk me down from that nightmare.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:51 PM

32. Bushes there because...

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OWS people turned down the invite???

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:52 PM

33. Secret meeting... GHW and Jeb

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are going to endorse Obama. " Mitt Gingrich and Newt Romney are even too awful for us. Nope, not gonna do it." was heard to be whispered by George HW.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:09 PM

39. Its probably a meeting to determine Geithner's replacement

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nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:16 PM

41. He traded the chimp in for Bill Clinton, maybe he's trading in Jeb for Barack Obama

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He always wanted really smart sons, so he has to fulfill that bucket list before he dies by getting Bill Clinton and Barack Obama to be his sons.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:17 PM

43. Our POTUS looks a little annoyed and I note

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that he is not serving any libations. I'm thinking he's trying to figure out how to get these two idiots out of his office. Get up and walk around, Mr. President. If you stay seated they'll stay ...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:33 PM

44. he's soiling-up our White House....

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....with the presence of more bush?....disgusting

....maybe they're asking the Prez, how would he like to run against jebbie?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:41 PM

46. Criminals FREQUENTLY Return to the Scene of Their Crime

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and so it begins.......Hopefully, President Obama isn't dealmaking with the bush CRIME family nor trying to be the "black bush."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:44 PM

47. He should have had them

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arrested while they were there...I hear there are couple of open cells in Gitmo.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:00 PM

51. Hold your enemies closer n/t

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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:03 PM

53. hey, I thought YOU were gonna bring George W.! *room bursts into laughter*

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:04 PM

54. They were probably talking about the shrubs time in office

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After all, it's International Holocaust Remembrance Day

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:18 PM

55. ''Can we interest you in a Paraguayan time-share?''

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Response to Octafish (Reply #55)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:31 PM

173. See my post (#38) about Paraguay...

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here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002237935#post16

...in answer to your post #16. The "times they are a-changin'" in Paraguay!

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #173)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 07:30 PM

178. Paraguay tiene mucha aguas frescas...

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LOLOLOL!!!!!!!! Infinite thanks, Peace Patriot!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:18 PM

56. Was this a "Heads Up"

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"I'll be running..." sort of meeting?

Holy Sasquatch!

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Response to SaintPete (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:42 PM

61. Oh please say no

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:24 PM

57. If only Chimpy went along BO could have had whole crime family arrested.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:42 PM

60. Bush and Obama

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He's just getting his marching orders from the CIA.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:47 PM

65. Geeezee ... why didn't Obama kick 41 in the balls and then have the secret service

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strip search Jeb!!!!!

More proof Obama is evil!!!



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:50 PM

67. et tu, BO? WTF; do these assholes have their personal tunnel from Kennebunkport to the WH?

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first Bill; now Barack. the Neo-Dems can't say fuckoff to a murderous SoB & his sons of a bitch?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:51 PM

68. I believe I might have the answer for why this sudden meeting people.

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Obama probably invited Bush Sr and Jr to provide the whitehouse with a critical and necessary thing that only they could provide...in other words he needed crap and alot of it because as we all know those two are full of it and this is the best time of year to apply it after all to the roses in the whitehouse garden.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:16 PM

70. Well, I read every response down the line and didn't see the one that popped into my head:

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Consider the 'across the aisle' president Obama really did want to be.
Consider the Republican friends he put in charge of the financial fiasco.
Consider the huge problems getting anything passed in these times of great need.
And consider the amount of power the Bush Family Empire now holds within that party.
Now tell me if a President runnning for re-election can put a new VP on the ticket.

I know it's a movie script scenario, but just start thinking about a move like that.
History making
Partisanship breaking
For everyone's sake-ing
Let's get law creating
Political statement of the millenium!

Can't help it.
The thought occurred to me.
Sorry.


And after some thought already, I still don't know how I'd ultimately feel about such a thing.


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Response to cyberpj (Reply #70)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:42 PM

79. a move like what? nt

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Response to cyberpj (Reply #70)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:01 AM

83. 1st thought: This meeting is creepy...who called it? 2nd thought after reading your post:

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You just gave me a scenario in which given the concept of a Pres. Romney, Pres. Gingrich. Pres. Santorum or a Pres. Paul, I couldn't imagine any reason for not voting for Obama, even though there are things he has done that have greatly disappointed me. But the idea of a Obama/Bush ticket made me literally want to throw up. In any scenario of any Bush, even a future grandchild or great-grandchild of Poppy + Babs coming near the White House is a deal breaker.

Actually, if Obama did this (or was ordered to do it) would be the death knell.

I get traditions of former Presidents being invited to the White House, including if they had a son who was President who was President coming to the White house. But that would be for an official visit. A dinner. An occasion. But something not on schedule? After he had been on a whirlwind cross-country trip? And not with the son who was a former President too, but instead the son who helped stage the greatest coup/stolen election in history? Something doesn't pass the smell test here.

Creepy.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #83)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 09:09 PM

143. As I noted elsewhere in this thread, I thought it was social and it turns out I was right.

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The Bushes ARE attending the Alfalfa Club, and Obama IS speaking there tonight.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2012/01/obama_meets_with_jeb_bush_geor.html

The Bush father and son Jeb are in town for the annual Alfalfa Club Dinner on Saturday night, according to the Associated Press. Obama will attend with First Lady Michelle and deliver remarks. The AP reported that the senior Bush, 87, used a wheelchair in the White House. The meeting took place around 5 p.m. The Alfalfa Club exists mainly for an annual banquet and its members are current or past Washington powerbrokers or celebrities.

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Response to cyberpj (Reply #70)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:06 PM

125. Taking a Republican as vice president would be an invitation to assassination.

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No. No. No. No.

I think that Poppy Bush just wanted to visit the oval office once more and have a chat with the president about some issue that could have been handled at a much lower administrative level. Obama looks kind of bored and tired.

Lack of courtesy on the parts of the Bushies -- as usual. The president needed the time he gave to the Bushies for his family, for his young children. And the Bushies were wasting it.

Ughhh. Self-centered, megalomaniac Bush behavior as usual.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #125)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 09:16 PM

144. They're all just going to the Alfalfa Club tonight.

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The Bushes probably stayed at the Willard overnight.

See link just upthread.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:25 PM

73. Well it's official: We live in the Matrix.

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Red pill or blue pill?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:26 PM

74. It's a super-exclusive club...

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And we're not in it

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Response to Neue Regel (Reply #74)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:45 AM

119. +1 My thoughts exactly

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:28 PM

75. Maybe he was trying to talk them into...

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...agreeing with him having George W. Bush charged with war crimes?

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Response to 47of74 (Reply #75)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 04:59 AM

99. *SNAP* that MUST be it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:30 PM

77. Breaking! The subject of the meeting...

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don't be too hard on the Republican party Mr. president. Please.......

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:35 AM

84. Nice. I like this sort of thing.

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And FYI, Jeb will never run for, nor be President.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #84)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:37 AM

86. Uhm

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You apparently don't understand bloodlines.

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Response to OranicManic (Reply #86)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 06:51 AM

103. He's a Son of a Bush

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which means he's entitled to be president,,,2016 is his year.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #84)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:37 AM

90. "Jeb will never run for, nor be President." <--------------- LOLOLOL

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Only way he isn't running in 2016 is premature death or a Romney (or a brokered, non BushCo GOP nominee, possibly with Jeb as VP) 2012 win.

Even then, Jeb may still run in 2020. And I fully expect Jeb's son, George P. Bush, barring major fuck-ups, to make a run for the throne before 2028.

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Response to stockholmer (Reply #90)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:57 AM

107. Premature death would be a better deal...

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I'm sure I'll get slapped for that one, but I hate these people so much.

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Response to stockholmer (Reply #90)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:38 PM

174. Why would you say "barring major fuck-ups" for a Bush becoming prez?

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It didn't bar George, Jr. Drunken weekend. AWOL. Kicked out of the Texas National Guard. Covered up. Trying to avoid service in Vietnam.

Just for starters. The man was a walking disaster as a prez candidate, yet...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:36 AM

85. Power is Power

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Shocked, like when Clinton hooked up with Sr. in SE asia tsunami? Or or with Bush Jr. in Haiti? Yea, those are going well. Especially Haiti.

Power is power they have more in common with each-other than they do with their sub-constituents. Anyway, aren't they ALL related distantly? Just a family get-together.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:39 AM

93. There's another name for what you see above

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It's called "watching your ass."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 04:45 AM

97. Where was Georgie boy?

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Afraid he would be arrested for war crimes? Unfortunately not!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 04:57 AM

98. They left out the Shrub? WTF?

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You know, that guy who was our Prez for 8 horrific years.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 06:41 AM

101. Gross. The BFEE back in the white house again.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #102)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:52 AM

121. didn't poppy once say something like -if the american people knew what we've done

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they'd be in the streets with pitchforks? To me, the bush family has caused more harm to the majority of this country (not the rich, however). Poppy was in the CIA and involved in the cuban fiasco during the kennedy shooting, the family was doing business with fascists and apparently didn't stop, even when our soldiers were in harms way, neal bush was involved in the S&L theft, and it seems they're friends with the bin ladens and the house of saud. And, they particularly didn't like one of my respected congresscritters, Wellstone.

Sleazy business deals, questionable deaths, iran contra, lying the country to war and now the economy is in the tanker with the largest disparity of wealth since the great depression. Yeah, I think this family has aided in the economic quagmire of this country. And poppy and kissenger are the ones who publicly spoke out about the new world order. Which to me is code speak for mega global corporate takeover, where democracies and the well being of the people are counter to the will and profit of business.

You ever notice when the former presidents meet, that usually Pres. Carter is standing on the side? It's like a clump-clinton, bushes and then there's carter.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall on this meeting. I think there's the greed, power club and most of the american people aren't included.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #124)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 08:05 AM

151. I met the guy once, over 40 years ago

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And he seemed like a sweet innocent middle-aged man, although he was younger than I am now.
He was doing an alumni interview on me.

If you had told me then that this guy would go on to be head of the CIA, VP and president,
I would have said you needed to cut down on the LSD dosage.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #124)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:46 PM

163. he may look sweet & innocent now, but I still plan to piss on his grave!

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Response to newspeak (Reply #121)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:26 PM

128. Yes...he needed to lose in Nov1992 because BCCI report was being released in Dec 1992.

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If the report went to hearings, Poppy's operations and treason would have been exposed to public. So, he 'lost' to BCCI figure Jackson Stephens' boy from Arkansas. And BCCI report was never allowed its full airing because Clinton pushed the 'let's move on from these issues' line once he took over the agenda. No wonder Jackson Stephens bankrolled Clinton's primary, eh?

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Response to blm (Reply #128)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:37 PM

130. good, honest journalists

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were murdered attempting to expose the BCCI operations. Now I wonder who murdered them? We don't talk about treason when we're talking about royalty. Treason against ones own country and people-so, how many of these greed mongers are real americans, for a healthy america and for healthy americans?

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Response to newspeak (Reply #121)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:35 PM

132. You sound like Alex Jones!

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I laughed him off 10 years ago, but no longer. Thats all I will say. He is free on the net. Actually, a 'lefti' broke me the news about 911, and I said he should look at Alex Jones website. Now thats not so funny. I think hes a populist now. But I can't listen more than a couple hours a week.

http://tunein.com/radio/Infowars-Radio-s54699/

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Response to OranicManic (Reply #132)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 09:45 AM

153. yeah, well I don't listen to alex jones

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but I remember, in our california paper Casolero writing and exposing the iran-contra, BCCI scandal and then he was dead after meeting an informant. It was right there in the newspaper for all to see. We were following the articles on the felonious scandal and then nothing. After awhile a journalist, Ng, wrote that casolero was dead and he would continue where casolero left off, and then he was shot. We once had brave journalists who attempted to expose the seedy truth, but some are gone. No conspiracy there.

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Response to newspeak (Reply #121)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:38 PM

134. Clinton SOLD OUT..

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on NAFTA, GMO foods, Glas Speigle (the current economic crisis) Unqualified home mortgages. BTW, Obama is fixing none of this, and sold us out on the DAA, to arrest protesting Americans and ship them off indefinite with no trial. Where is the liberal outrage?

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Response to newspeak (Reply #121)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 09:06 AM

152. I have always thought GHWB would tell more about where he was during the Kennedy shooting,

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Prior to his death.

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Response to slay (Reply #101)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:58 AM

108. Be very afraid of these mo-fo's

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Somebody get the fumagator.

Where's Jesse Ventura when you need him?

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #108)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 09:27 PM

145. Didn't Jesse Ventura pout, stomp his foot and run off to live in Baja California,

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and apply for Mexican citizenship?

Jesse Ventura is as batshit crazy as his hero, Ron Paul.

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Response to MADem (Reply #145)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 10:44 PM

146. I don't think he did that...

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He just looks like he's not as serious about some things as some hoped.

I think he's more interested in "Conspiracy Theory" becoming a long term series. But, perhaps there is good in some of that.

I don't think I'd pass him off as all you say.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #146)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:06 PM

147. Oh, I think he did--or at least he threatened to.

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Personally, I don't think the guy is playing with a full deck.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpps/news/ventura-im-applying-to-be-mexican-citizen-dpgonc-20111105-gc_15813471

Ventura, 60, also said that he and his wife, Terry -- who spend a great deal of time living in Mexico and own a home there -- are going to apply for Mexican citizenship and become dual citizens.

He also said that he was considering running for the White House.

"The only way that I could change it , I guess, would be to run for President and win it," Ventura said, according to Minnesota Public Radio. "Is that what it will take?"

He continued, "I'm thinking about it. Jesse's on a roll!"

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Response to slay (Reply #101)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:32 PM

137. I have to say I like that graphic!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 09:43 AM

109. I though that head bust on the desk was part of Poppy's wheelchair for a second. LOL! n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 09:53 AM

110. Buck The Fushes.

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And the Segways they rode in on.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 10:00 AM

112. Ick. I wish he wouldn't do this

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these traitors should not be in the WH. They're malignant criminals

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 10:08 AM

113. Photo Op

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This wheelchair is just part of the photo op, see it's just Barry having a meeting with a little old man (sarcasm)
Ask yourself who took this picture and why? I can't find one pic of the fundraiser he was supposedly attending 30 minutes before.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 10:38 AM

114. You know, "respect the office, not the man" comes to mind

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We've said that a lot and, unfortunately, we had to do that during the Bush years.

I can't stand the BFEE but GHWB was President and, as such, is entitled to certain respect. For whatever reason he was at the WH (as long as it doesn't involve getting Jebbie a job), he deserves that meeting with the current President.

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Response to MaineDem (Reply #114)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:45 PM

136. *President* George Herbert Walker Bush, a cunning *Criminal* by any other name. n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 10:41 AM

115. Meeting with the next generation of leadership.

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Think Jeb is done with politics? Think this helps promote his career? It's strange President Obama would meet with him to give him gravitas he has neither earned nor deserves as an ex governor, when there are so many up coming democrats who could use the same publicity boost.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Reply #115)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:33 PM

129. yeah, jeb can come in and they can set up the monarchy once and for all

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while finally getting rid of that pesky document called the constitution and the bill of rights; and finally bring the people to their knees (right where they want them) and we can live in the new military baptista like dictatorship where the poor (most of the people) know their place.

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Response to newspeak (Reply #129)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:40 PM

135. The next Democrat

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will also be forced to do this. Who signed the DAA>? Thats the biggest kicker right there!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:22 AM

117. no big deal

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:24 AM

118. I hope the fumigated the place after that garbage left.

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Nothing good ever comes from visits from criminal hooligans from that family.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:14 PM

126. He's talking to them about normalizing relations with Cuba.

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It''s good to know Obama and/or his people read D.U.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=37000


Thanks for the thread, kpete.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:18 PM

127. jeb is measuring the curtains for 2016..

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pure theatre.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:28 PM

131. Pappy Bush looking at President BO as if he wants to do a dim son swap --

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Former Banana Republic of Florida President Jeb B for President O. It says something that of all the Bush sons, Jeb would be considered the smarter: totally depraved, corrupt and immoral, but not as smooth-brained as the other sons.

Shrub was somewhere smoking chronic and drinking Jim Beam.

FYI, it is Darth Cheney that is supposedly distantly related to President BO.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 06:29 PM

140. I hope

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the staff kept an eye on the silverware.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 07:15 PM

141. Maybe it is a proposal to or by the GOP

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heavies to pressure the newbies in the house, especially, to get real. H.W. would seize a chance to rehabilitate the GOP brand by enabling Jeb to kick the kindred's ass about the damage obstructionism is doing to the nation. Obama would get the appointments he wants and start making jobs appear. There will be a downside for sure but Obama is probably moves ahead. Sorry to post and run, but I'm out for the night.

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Response to yellerpup (Reply #141)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 08:47 PM

168. Yeah that's probably it

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the Bush family's first priorities are good government and dignity

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #168)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:46 PM

170. More like a take over if they can manage it.

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Jeb would be Obama's VP if he thought he'd get to be President.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:03 PM

142. Some of these comments are unbelievable.

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I guess the sitting President can't host a former President at the White House, cause it's somehow shameful. Maybe they didn't list it on the schedule because they correctly figured people would freak out about it?

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Response to ProgressoDem (Reply #142)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:13 PM

148. The comments are coming out of ignorance. This was a social call, that is why it isn't on the

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"official" schedule. It happened after five PM. If they really wanted to be secretive, they would not have sent out a twitter pic of the meeting.

Both of the Bushes and the Obamas were at the Alfalfa Club dinner at the Hilton tonight, which is probably wrapping up pretty soon if it hasn't already. THAT is why the Bushes were in town, to attend the dinner.

Obama is speaking at the thing, first time he's done so in a couple of years. Every year, the club members "elect" a presidential candidate--quite frequently, that person ends up running for the office down the years. Who knows, maybe they picked Jeb?

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Response to ProgressoDem (Reply #142)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:37 PM

158. I agree. There are basic courtesies extended to former Presidents just as there are basic courtesies

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extended to sitting foreign heads of government and heads of state and basic courtesies extended to numerous dignitaries. This is not an endorsement of their policies. Other than his appointments to the courts - Bush Senior really wasn't that bad - for a Republican. He was certainly a ruthless character. But at least he had some nuance and sophistication in his understanding of the world.

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #158)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:52 PM

164. The only courtesies I would ever extend to the Bushes would involve handcuffs, leg irons,

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sledgehammers and hard rocks in an undisclosed location.

With no chance of parole.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #164)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 07:04 PM

165. I don't think locking up one's political opponents will make for a stable democracy - especially

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remembering that our political opponents might also get the chance to lock up our people.

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #165)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 08:44 PM

167. I don't think failing to lock up traitors and war criminals makes for stable democracy

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hence the shitty predicament we're in right now.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #164)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 05:24 PM

177. which is probably why its safe to assume you'll never be in a position to extend or not extend

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courtesies to the Bushes.

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Response to onenote (Reply #177)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:34 PM

179. they gotta die sometime.....

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...and when they do, if I still have a pulse, I'll have a nice full bladder to empty on the dirt on top of their casket. It's the least I can do for that charming family.


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:13 AM

155. O is getting his marching orders for the next four years and a ....

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reminder that Poppy and his thugs took out Kennedy and can do the same to him.

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Response to Hotler (Reply #155)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:24 AM

171. No No NO!Zat iss Kissengers Job!

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NT

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:15 PM

156. I hacked a piece of the transcript of what was said:

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:11 PM

159. UPDATE on this (non) conspiratorial photograph--All three WERE at the Alfalfa Club last night.

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President Obama and his wife attended; the President gave the speech.

Former President Bush is a club member.

Jeb was there to accept the faux "presidential nomination" that the club does every year.

Obama apparently joked about it in his speech to the group.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:26 PM

161. Somebody tell Jeb to savor the moment, it's the closest he'll ever get

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to the White House.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 05:01 AM

172. Maybe he came to ask a favor......

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:16 PM

175. I would like to have been a "fly on the wall" at that meeting...

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The pix doesn't tell us anything about the mood/content of the meeting before they went in front of the camera. And the WH probably released the pix because somebody was going to leak the meeting. Their first choice was SECRECY. And the Alfalfa Club thing?--just a ruse. This was NOT likely a "social meeting" in my opinion.

So what could the meeting have been about?

My guess: Iran. And China in connection to Iran. I think that Bush Sr has basically been running U.S. foreign policy and war policy since Rumsfeld was ousted, and I think Bush Sr did that ousting of Rumsfeld. The main issue was the Rumsfeld-Cheney intention to nuke Iran. Circa 2006. A second issue was Rumsfeld/Cheney outing CIA agents and the entire CIA WMD counter-proliferation program, thus getting Jr in serious hot water with the CIA, at the risk of serious CIA retaliation. Daddy Bush stepped in, using his "Iraq Study Group" (old CIA cronies including--guess who?--Leon Panetta!). A better name for it would have been the "Iran Study Group" (or the "Save Junior Study Group"). My guess, at the time, was that China was threatening to come into it, on Iran's side (and maybe Russia, too). Threat of nuclear armageddon in the Middle East and possibly the world, or at least a major fracas. (Pakistan, India, Israel, all with nukes, too.) Bad for the oil business. Bad for transglobals in China. Etc. Rumsfeld/Cheney wouldn't listen to Bush Sr. He got together with the military brass (who also didn't like their plan), the current CIA and possibly others; they retired Rumsfeld and held Cheney in check for two years, then let the Democrats win, probably on promise of no investigation/no prosecution of Bush Junta principles--a "deal" that Obama agreed to. (Pelosi goofed when she stated publicly that, "Impeachment is off the table." WHAT "table," Nancy?)

And Panetta was then brought in, first to the CIA, and then a hop to the Pentagon, to heal this war that had broken out deep within the U.S. war machine. Another thing that Panetta was likely tasked with was monitoring "the deal" for immunity and covering up Jr's and others' trails where necessary.

We need to understand that, by 2006, one, far rightwing-connected corporation--ES&S which bought out Diebold--already had monopoly control of U.S. election results, with the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines almost everywhere. This makes it easy--EASY!--for powers like the Bush Cartel to call the shots. They can elect and un-elect anyone they wish. Obama was "vetted," agreed to "the deal," and Iran--which went away for a while after Rumsfeld was ousted--is now back on the U.S. (transglobal/war profiteer) agenda. And Bush Sr very much wants a say in what happens.

It may be that something serious is afoot, again, with regard to Iran. Maybe the war plan has become more sophisticated (not a nuking) and thus more feasible without serious inconvenience to oil corps or transglobal manufacturing and shipping. This fits with Panetta's methodology--much subtler and more sophisticated than Rumsfeld/Cheney and the other Bushwhacks. Bush Sr's visit to Obama could have had to do with China's interests, the Bush Cartel's interests and western bankster interests in some move against Iran. Bush Sr may have spared us all nuclear armageddon but he did NOT visit Obama in the interest of humanity but more likely to "call in his chips" (very big chips) on some matter--a matter involving face to face with Obama, maybe alone (or just with Jeb). We can't know who else was there. But I would bet money on Panetta being there, under strict secrecy, if anyone.

On the issue of Bush Junta war crimes: a little known but potentially explosive issue is Bush Junta crimes in Colombia. I found it notable that Panetta's first visible act as CIA Director was to go to Bogota and yank mafia boss, president and Bush Jr crony, Alvaro Uribe, from the stage. Uribe landed on a silk cushion, probably because of what he knows. And there have been other cleanup actions, all pointing to U.S. crimes in Colombia over the last decade (and to Bushite consolidation and control of the trillion+ dollar cocaine revenue stream). Colombia prosecutors are pursuing Uribe, while the U.S. has been getting witnesses out of the country.

It's possible that this (potential for Bushwhacks being nabbed by Colombian prosecutors*) was a subject of discussion between Bush Sr and Obama, as well. But I would bet on Iran--with all the possible implications of U.S. action against Iran, and U.S. policy on Iran and the region--being the main reason for a face to face.

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*(A witness recently came forward and testified in Colombia that "an American" was a go-between between the U.S. embassy in Colombia and the vast and illegal spying operation that Uribe was conducting. The suspicion is that the spying was used to draw up "hit lists" for the Colombian military and closely tied paramilitary death squads, to eliminate labor leaders, human rights workers, teachers, community activists, political leftists, peasant farmer organizers and others whom Uribe called "terrorists" (anyone who opposed him). This "American" was likely reporting to U.S. ambassador William Brownfield (appointed by Bush), who was closely involved in some of the cleanup and coverup actions, including an attempt to get total diplomatic immunity for all U.S. military personnel and all U.S. military 'contractors' in Colombia, in a secret U.S./Colombia military agreement, at least a decade into the U.S. military presence in Colombia, and the extradition of death squad witness to the U.S., on mere drug charges, and their burial in the U.S. federal prison system, out of the reach of Colombian prosecutors and over their objections.

(It is not clear yet that Colombian prosecutors are going after Bush Junta figures, but if they nail Uribe, Bush Junta figures could well be implicated, and the "chain of command" on U.S. military and covert ops decisions in Colombia, and elsewhere, was topped by Bush Jr. BTU, there is tenuous but intriguing evidence that Rumsfeld was directly involved in U.S. ops in Colombia (and against Venezuela) even after he left the Pentagon. He likely had a plan including "Office of Special Plans" rigged evidence that unfolded with the U.S./Colombia bombing/raid on Ecuador in early 2008. The plan was to tie Chavez/Venezuela and his ally Correa/Ecuador to the FARC guerillas in Colombia. It was quite an elaborate (and I have to say, Rumsfeldian) plan and it backfired. Rumsfeld showed distinct interest in this plan by publishing an op-ed about it in the Washington Post at a critical point in the plan's first stage (enticing Hugo Chavez to negotiate with the FARC to get hostages released).

(What else might Rumsfeld have been up to in Colombia? One suspicion: Using Colombia for "turkey shoots" to train black ops assassins and hit squads for other countries. Last year, Clinton's State Dept. "fined" Blackwater for "unauthorized" "trainings" of "foreign persons" IN COLOMBIA "for use in Iraq and Afghanistan." I think that the word "unauthorized" in that P.R. release was a lie.

(Be wary as "limited hangouts," as they began to be called during the Watergate scandal--that is, powers-that-be releasing partial info to cover up what's really going on. Such as Bush Sr visiting Obama because they are both going to Alfalfa Club event. Or such as the Obama-Clinton State Dept. "fining" Blackwater for "unauthorized" activities during the Bush Junta. We need to learn the fine art of "reading between the lines.")

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