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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:55 AM

Schwarzenegger says film violence not linked to school shooting

Source: Reuters

Arnold Schwarzenegger may be one of the world's biggest action stars but the former governor of California says violence in films is entertainment and should not be linked to tragic events like the Connecticut school shooting in which 20 children died.

The star of films such as "The Terminator," "Predator" and "True Lies" told a press conference before the opening of his new movie, "The Last Stand," on January 18th that "one has to keep (the two) separate."

"(This is) entertainment and the other thing is a tragedy beyond belief. It's really serious and it's the real deal," Schwarzenegger, 65, told reporters.

The actor, who will star in his first leading role in the film since serving as California governor for seven years, said the tragedy in which a gunman killed 20 children and six staff at the Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, is about more than just guns.

"We have to analyze how we deal with mental illness, how we deal with gun laws, how we deal with parenting," he said.


Read more: http://www.kspr.com/entertainment/sns-rt-us-arnoldschwarzenegger-violencebre9050dd-20130106,0,6318741.story#tugs_story_display



Wonder at what age Lanza and Holmes watched their first Schwarzenegger movie and if that had an impact in how they see the world.

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Reply Schwarzenegger says film violence not linked to school shooting (Original post)
AlphaCentauri Jan 2013 OP
Lionessa Jan 2013 #1
Fearless Jan 2013 #6
snooper2 Jan 2013 #17
MessiahRp Jan 2013 #2
SoapBox Jan 2013 #3
Joe Bacon Jan 2013 #14
samsingh Jan 2013 #18
StrictlyRockers Jan 2013 #4
azurnoir Jan 2013 #5
LawnKorn Jan 2013 #10
still_one Jan 2013 #7
Joe Bacon Jan 2013 #15
still_one Jan 2013 #25
bubbayugga Jan 2013 #8
justice1 Jan 2013 #9
Shadowflash Jan 2013 #11
KatyMan Jan 2013 #12
Remmah2 Jan 2013 #16
bucolic_frolic Jan 2013 #13
randome Jan 2013 #19
closeupready Jan 2013 #23
Tempest Jan 2013 #20
former173rd Jan 2013 #21
closeupready Jan 2013 #22
L0oniX Jan 2013 #24
Taxee Jan 2013 #26
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #27
olddad56 Jan 2013 #28
humblebum Jan 2013 #29
closeupready Jan 2013 #30
humblebum Jan 2013 #32
closeupready Jan 2013 #33
humblebum Jan 2013 #34
ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #31

Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:04 AM

1. And in a way he is right,

 

it's a whole chicken and egg thing. Art resembles reality which in turn resembles art. I know some of the most passive people who are avid violent gamers. And I know some that are wound up all the time. My daughter is of the former, my son and I am in the latter and do not allow myself to play vid games anymore except for very short bursts during long weekends and such. And movies and games are on the same level in my mind. Again some of my kids' most passive friends loved slasher movies, some who liked them were worrisome.

I don't know, I truly have mixed feelings about what the right answer to the question of media violence being a cause of real violence. There seems validity to the idea that for some it is a way to safely expel daily frustrations and such. There also seems some validity to the idea that it can desensitize folks to real violence.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:30 AM

6. I would tend to say

That society is much more the root cause. After all these wouldn't be blockbuster movies if society didn't condone them en masse. In the same way, violence wouldn't be written into movies unless we craved them somehow. Saying it's the movies though seems to be a cop out. For instance, you know a horror movie is fake, even if it scares you. Would that not logically also be true about violent movies/games?

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Response to Fearless (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:09 AM

17. There is no way you could have made this scene any better...

And I don't remember wanting my dad to get me a mini gun so I could cut down trees in the woods...Oh wait


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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:09 AM

2. I call BS on that.

I watch an incredible amount of horror movies. I even run my own Horror Movie Channel online (shameless plug: http://www.indiehorror.tv) BUT I have never considered murdering anyone.

Do I enjoy what I am watching, no matter how disturbing or grotesque the violent visuals are? Yes. But I have drawn a line in my head separating fantasy and fiction. I can watch endless amounts of horror movie gore but I have a very hard time watching shows with real life surgeries and such. I cringe at the concept of war, no matter how many Stallone or Schwarzenegger movies I have seen. I still have real emotional reactions to the scenes of abuse in Platoon and the proportionality scene in the Fog of War.

If I watch so many action movies and so many horror movies and enjoy them no matter how many death/kill scenes they display, in your theory I should be emotionally detached enough to not be affected by real life atrocity. Well, you're wrong. It's just not true.

It's not entertainment. Not movies. Not video games. The culture of violence in America has nothing to do with either. They have those same movies and same games in Japan and Canada and in most of Europe and they're not killing each other.

The NRA would have you believe it's everything BUT guns that did the killing. It's this belief in Americans that guns are a necessity to solve disputes (because the old fashioned way of negotiation is too difficult for many, or hell, calling the cops even)... eye for an eye. I look at that as part of our country's flaw. Fundamentalist beliefs, strongly rooted by corrupt religious leaders are just as prevalent here as anywhere and only the most hateful, spiteful, angry parts of scripture are the ones anyone knows it would seem.

I don't blame the Bible or the fact that we're a way too religious country as the cause of those deaths. I don't even blame all religious leaders for this. I do, however, think that some of the most influential in those circles though have taught widespread fear and intolerance to strengthen the controls of their churches and that taught side by side with that whole eye for an eye concept creates a paranoia that helps drive people to buy more guns. The fear makes people cling to their religion tighter for they are the only ones that really know what is going on.

And thus, the culture of fear that creates more shootings. It's born of xenophobia, righteous indignation and cultural distress. And the pot is always being stirred by the same group of zealots pushing you to grab a weapon.

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:37 AM

3. STFU, WORST Governor EVER in the history of America.

Go away you stupid fucking War Hawk...you make me sick.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:25 AM

14. +1,000,000

Absolutely a fucking disaster as governor. He let the red ink run and kept passing the buck.

So glad Jerry Brown is back as Governor doing cleanup.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:27 AM

18. agreed

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:21 AM

4. Well I'm glad we got that settled.

And he really is one of the most preeminent authorities on this subject. I mean, who has made more popular, violent movies than he has? Stalone may have a higher body count in some of his moves. Charles Bronson may be a bit grittier and "tough" on the bad guys. But Ahnold really is the one who should know.

Whew, that certainly is a relief. Now we can start looking to other people to point fingers at. Because it's not his fault (according to him).

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:14 AM

5. no self interest in that statement

nope none at all.........

let's see The Expendables 1&2 Terminator 5 just announced The Last Stand, nope Arnold doesn't have a personal stake in this one

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:47 AM

10. Arnie would never try and protect the residuals he receives from those movies

I sure he never gave a thought to the money he receives from the DVD sales of the Terminator, never.

/sarc

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:32 AM

7. Well then Arnie how about movies being linked to adultery?

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:28 AM

15. Have pity on him

He's got those awfully high alimony and child support payments to make. And he had to put his house up on the market.

So sad...

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Response to Joe Bacon (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:19 AM

25. nah, he deserves it. Anyway he can make one violent movie and pay all that off

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:53 AM

8. turned the tube on last night to watch a movie. option 1 was mel gibson being tortured

 

by having his toes smashed with a hammer while he was strapped into a chair. Option 2 was to watch Cheech Marin being tortured by being brutally cruicified in a church. Basically the only two movie options involved watching a man get brutally tortured. Does art imitate life or does life imitate art? A bit of both I think.

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:05 AM

9. Violent movies are seen throughout the world; yet the U.S. has the majority of mass shootings.

We also have poor health care, low wages, shorter vacations, over-extended soldiers, a population that is taken advantage by banks, wall street, and corporations. We are undermined at every turn, leaving us stressed out and depressed...but they give us easy access to high caliber weapons...What is wrong with this picture?

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Response to justice1 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:11 AM

11. Exactly.

They watch the same movies and play the same video games, in Canada, that we see here but they are not inclined to massacre each other a couple times a month.


This is a moronic argument. It's like going into a prison and asking all the rapists if they drank milk as a kid then then concluding, when they all raise their hands, that drinking milk causes one to be a rapist.

The key is how many people who drink milk DON'T become rapists and how many people who play video games and watch movies DON'T become murderers.

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Response to justice1 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:49 AM

12. Was about to say the same thing n/t

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Response to justice1 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:16 AM

16. Mass shootings vs violence?

 

http://www.rampageshooting.com/

The buzz words of the day are "mass shootings"; this should be compared to overall world statistics of lethal and non lethal violence.

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:01 AM

13. Don't really know what to make of the argument

Movie and video game violence accustoms people to violence.
It becomes easier to pull the trigger. And the movies show the
act of shooting, but rarely the consequences. Violence is
portrayed as a reasonable option or solution to injustice, internal anger.
People without normal impulse control are susceptible.

Why some go over the edge, why some plan violent events
months in advance? These events are happening with more
than random frequency.

Hopefully someone will find some answers. Seems to me
these shooters have poor self concepts, are outside of any
popular groups, are bent on revenge for perceived or actual
slights. Not in a supportive positive environment, in other words.

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:47 AM

19. It's a black and white world, right?

Everyone who offers anecdotal 'evidence' that they watch violent movies and play violent video games yet don't do violent things in the real world is defensive and ridiculous.

No one has ever said that watching a violent movie is the sum cause of violence in the world. The same for video games. But to deny that they don't have an influence on the already mentally disturbed is to deny reality.

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Response to randome (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:04 AM

23. Yep, +1. Lots of anecdotes here, little common sense.

(Welcome to the Gungeon Underground f/k/a Democratic Underground.)

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:54 AM

20. So when that guy who shot a pimp said Taxi Driver was his inspiration

It wasn't because of the violence in that movie?

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:57 AM

21. hollywood

The guy is nothing but a rich, plastic wanna-be that we made from scratch.

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:58 AM

22. Stupid is as stupid does.

Or in this case, 'says'.

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:05 AM

24. ...because children don't learn by example.

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:29 AM

26. Of Course Violent Games fuel murders

 

Beem me up Scotty!

Really, these games feed crazy and unstable minds. So do movies like "saw".

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:20 PM

27. Interesting. A serious discussion of an "NRA talking point." Who'd thunk it?

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:23 PM

28. If Arnold said it, it is a lie. Worst governor ever for the state of Ca.

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:27 PM

29. There was a time when i.d.'d potential psychopathic murderers were not left to roam the streets.

 

When they were able to get the help they needed and society was much more insulated from them. Things have changed. The mental health system in the US is broken.

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Response to humblebum (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:29 PM

30. So you want to return to "The Snake Pit" times?

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Response to closeupready (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:55 PM

32. No of course not. BUT, when friends, relatives, and counselors are sounding alarms

 

of potentially violent mentally ill individuals as was the case in the Connecticut school shootings, the Colorado theater shootings, and the Gabby Gifford shootings and nothing is done until it's too late - the "system" is worthless and has failed. This is an all to common problem and innocent people are put at risk.

That I find unacceptable, especially when a cross check of such people could have shown that they had access to weapons. Those two criteria coming together could have saved many lives.

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Response to humblebum (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:57 PM

33. No the system didn't fail; people were irresponsible, unprofessional and

negligent in their responsibilities. The system is not worthless, but those who were charged with performing functions (essential to achieving the aims of getting help to those who need it) perhaps are worthless as professionals and maybe even citizens.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:08 PM

34. They are the system. I have seen first hand how unnecessarily difficult it

 

can be to get someone the help they need. It is a bureaucratic nightmare and thinking we can control all mental conditions with proper medication and out patient counseling is a joke. And the evidence is Newtown, Connecticut, Aurora, Colorado, and the Gabby Gifford incident.

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Response to AlphaCentauri (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:32 PM

31. He's right. Compare the level of violence in Japanese entertainment to their school shootings

Also lots of European countries have made some pretty violent movies, anyone seen Man Bites Dog or I Stand Alone? Yet the rate of such shootings in Belgium and France is FAR lower than the US's.

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