US-style shooting rampage kills 8, injures 9 in Cavite
Source: Xinhua via PhilStar
A US-style killing rampage on Friday in Kawit, a town of Cavite, killed eight people, including a pregnant woman and a seven-year- old girl, and injured another nine.
Officials identified the gunman as Ronald Bae, a middle aged man who was killed in an ensuing shootout with responding policemen.
Reports said that Bae and several friends were on a "drug and alcohol binge" from Monday to Friday, drinking alcohol and taking methamphetamine, an illegal drug.
On Friday morning, Bae left a store where he and his friends were drinking; then, he returned and began the shooting spree in the surrounding neighborhood, killing first a man who lived across the street from his house.
Read more: http://www.philstar.com/breaking-news/2013/01/05/893635/feature-us-style-shooting-rampage-kills-8-injures-9-cavite
Some gun ownership comparisons between the US and the Philippines (Cavite is in the Philippines), which may or may not be relevant to anything, follow.
hay rick
(7,611 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Countries are very different in some ways.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)I'm certain there are probably similar ratios to be seen in places like Somalia.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Violent crime is a complex system and in general does not admit of simplistic explanations.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's trickier, as our experience with drugs shows.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)And we do subsidize arms manufacture at a level comparable to ag. I wonder how well that would work.
NickB79
(19,236 posts)A LOT of homemade guns, actually, and of surprisingly good quality: http://voices.yahoo.com/the-underground-gun-making-industry-philippines-24924.html?cat=19
It's not really surprising. The British Sten submachinegun was famous for being cranked out by the millions, using 1940's era equipment, in local bicycle shops in preparation for a German invasion that never came.
hay rick
(7,611 posts)From the article (initial reference to a NYT editorial):
In Japan, the editorial said, which has very strict gun laws, only 11 people were killed with guns in 2008 compared with 12,000 deaths by firearms that year in the United States, a huge disparity even accounting for the difference in population.
...
Xinhua correspondent in Sydney reported last month that in l996 Australia successfully "nipped in the bud" a putative gun culture that would have rivaled that of the United States.
Within weeks after a lone gunman killed 35 people with a spray of bullets from semiautomatic weapons in Tazmania, the government of then Prime Minister John Howard put in place gun reform laws that banned assault weapons and shotguns, tightened licensing and financed gun amnesty through a massive arms buy-back program.
...
The laws have worked. The American Journal of Law and Economics reported in 2010 that firearm homicides in Australia dropped 59 percent between 1995 and 2006.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)So proud to be an American.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But I see their point.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)I think it's well earned.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Remember when being an American used to be cool?
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)This is a sick, sick country.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)though they have very strict gun control laws? Or was the Norwegian mass killing committed by Brevik also a US style assault even though they have strict gun control laws.
DFW
(54,372 posts)The phrase was probably just used in the interests of accuracy, and what a statement THAT is.
jpak
(41,757 posts)sad commentary on US sickfuck Gun CULTure.
yup
Response to jpak (Reply #3)
Post removed
jpak
(41,757 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)You missed that part of the article.
Response to Recursion (Original post)
Post removed
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's still not very prevalent in an absolute sense even here, but we do lead in that. It's also pretty much the only class of murder whose rate has not diminished over the past few decades.
Mira
(22,380 posts)Western Civilized Nations, are you?
Unfortunately the phrase US - Style Shooting is a lot closer to a comparative truth than the phrase you are chosing.
Have you seen "Shoah"?
The writers are also loving their country. Which is why they want the mass shootings with assault weapons to stop.
Are you planning to home school your children?
Response to Mira (Reply #8)
Post removed
jpak
(41,757 posts)or are you a pacifist?
ck4829
(35,072 posts)Anything conservatives don't agree with.
Mira
(22,380 posts)jpak
(41,757 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Don't know whether to laugh or cry.
rocktivity
Taverner
(55,476 posts)USA!
tawadi
(2,110 posts)Yeah, that only happens in the US.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)"Filipinos are required by law to secure a license before they can possess a firearm, and civilians are restricted to a single pistol and either a rifle or shotgun.....Recent data from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime show that there were 8.9 homicides per 100,000 people in the Philippines in 2003, while in the United States there were 3.3 homicides per 100,000 people."
I think our guns were made different - since we know it is guns that cause murders (and football teams/sports that cause most rapes) we need to figure out why our guns are not keeping pace with making us kill as many per capita as other countries (then maybe they can get the same style/make of gun which will obviously fix the problem).
Until all countries have the exact same gun crime rate I am going to be suspicious of what type of magical metal was used in their making (maybe differing styles of voodoo) since we have absolute proof here in the US that all gun owners will, someday, shoot someone.
We also have proven the shooters, well no cares about them, are not to blame mostly. Adam Lanza? Barely a few threads about him since he was not to blame. People don't have reasons/causes for what they do, the devil makes people do it just like back in the middle ages.
Perhaps there was some sarcasm in my reply. Not owning a gun myself it could just be I am not influenced by demons and see more clearly....