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Sat Jan 5, 2013, 10:24 AM

US-style shooting rampage kills 8, injures 9 in Cavite

Source: Xinhua via PhilStar

A US-style killing rampage on Friday in Kawit, a town of Cavite, killed eight people, including a pregnant woman and a seven-year- old girl, and injured another nine.

Officials identified the gunman as Ronald Bae, a middle aged man who was killed in an ensuing shootout with responding policemen.

Reports said that Bae and several friends were on a "drug and alcohol binge" from Monday to Friday, drinking alcohol and taking methamphetamine, an illegal drug.

On Friday morning, Bae left a store where he and his friends were drinking; then, he returned and began the shooting spree in the surrounding neighborhood, killing first a man who lived across the street from his house.

Read more: http://www.philstar.com/breaking-news/2013/01/05/893635/feature-us-style-shooting-rampage-kills-8-injures-9-cavite



Some gun ownership comparisons between the US and the Philippines (Cavite is in the Philippines), which may or may not be relevant to anything, follow.

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Recursion Jan 2013 OP
hay rick Jan 2013 #1
Recursion Jan 2013 #6
caseymoz Jan 2013 #19
Recursion Jan 2013 #22
valerief Jan 2013 #24
Recursion Jan 2013 #25
valerief Jan 2013 #27
Recursion Jan 2013 #31
NickB79 Jan 2013 #35
hay rick Jan 2013 #23
Shadowflash Jan 2013 #2
Recursion Jan 2013 #5
Shadowflash Jan 2013 #15
Android3.14 Jan 2013 #17
Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #21
humblebum Jan 2013 #30
DFW Jan 2013 #34
jpak Jan 2013 #3
dudemocrat Jan 2013 #9
jpak Jan 2013 #10
Recursion Jan 2013 #12
Remmah2 Jan 2013 #26
dudemocrat Jan 2013 #4
Recursion Jan 2013 #7
Mira Jan 2013 #8
dudemocrat Jan 2013 #11
jpak Jan 2013 #14
ck4829 Jan 2013 #16
Mira Jan 2013 #18
jpak Jan 2013 #13
rocktivity Jan 2013 #20
Taverner Jan 2013 #28
tawadi Jan 2013 #29
The Straight Story Jan 2013 #32
Dems to Win Jan 2013 #33

Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 10:48 AM

1. Article also mentions Australian gun buyback. nt

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Response to hay rick (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:02 AM

6. And how the Philippines have 1/18th as many firearms per capita, but quadruple the gun murders

Countries are very different in some ways.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:55 AM

19. Apparently in the Philipines, guns are acquired with a purpose.


I'm certain there are probably similar ratios to be seen in places like Somalia.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:27 PM

22. True, and there are plenty of other differences too

Violent crime is a complex system and in general does not admit of simplistic explanations.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:02 PM

24. One simple fact. If you don't have access to a gun, you can't shoot one. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:14 PM

25. Agreed. Now actually restrict access to guns.

That's trickier, as our experience with drugs shows.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:41 PM

27. Sure it is. Don't manufacture as many. It's been done with wheat. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:49 PM

31. That's a fair point

And we do subsidize arms manufacture at a level comparable to ag. I wonder how well that would work.

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Response to valerief (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 06:07 PM

35. They now make homemade guns in the Phillipines

A LOT of homemade guns, actually, and of surprisingly good quality: http://voices.yahoo.com/the-underground-gun-making-industry-philippines-24924.html?cat=19

These "backyard gunsmiths" use only basic tools to fashion metal, usually bought from ship breaking yards, into deadly weapons. Construction methods might be crude but the end products are nonetheless effective. Starting with imitating revolvers, locally known as "paltiks", these self taught craftsmen have since duplicated high-powered firearms such as the M-16 and AK-47 to Uzi and Ingram sub-machine guns. Some have even modified the original designs coming up with their own unique versions increasing firing rates and bullet capacities. Modified attachments such as "silencers" are also available.


It's not really surprising. The British Sten submachinegun was famous for being cranked out by the millions, using 1940's era equipment, in local bicycle shops in preparation for a German invasion that never came.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:50 PM

23. The article also cites two first-world countries with stricter gun laws.

From the article (initial reference to a NYT editorial):

In Japan, the editorial said, which has very strict gun laws, only 11 people were killed with guns in 2008 compared with 12,000 deaths by firearms that year in the United States, a huge disparity even accounting for the difference in population.
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Xinhua correspondent in Sydney reported last month that in l996 Australia successfully "nipped in the bud" a putative gun culture that would have rivaled that of the United States.

Within weeks after a lone gunman killed 35 people with a spray of bullets from semiautomatic weapons in Tazmania, the government of then Prime Minister John Howard put in place gun reform laws that banned assault weapons and shotguns, tightened licensing and financed gun amnesty through a massive arms buy-back program.
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The laws have worked. The American Journal of Law and Economics reported in 2010 that firearm homicides in Australia dropped 59 percent between 1995 and 2006.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 10:55 AM

2. A 'US-style' shooting?

So proud to be an American.

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:00 AM

5. Yeah, that bothered me too

But I see their point.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:11 AM

15. Oh, yeah. Me too.

I think it's well earned.

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:36 AM

17. Love American Style

Remember when being an American used to be cool?

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:20 PM

21. Yep. So pathetic that everybody instantly knows what that means.

This is a sick, sick country.

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:49 PM

30. So are the mass murders that happen so often in Mexico US style, too, even

 

though they have very strict gun control laws? Or was the Norwegian mass killing committed by Brevik also a US style assault even though they have strict gun control laws.

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 02:58 PM

34. So sad that the description can be used without malice toward us

The phrase was probably just used in the interests of accuracy, and what a statement THAT is.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 10:56 AM

3. US-style killing rampage

sad commentary on US sickfuck Gun CULTure.

yup

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Response to dudemocrat (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:07 AM

10. Ladies first

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Response to dudemocrat (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:09 AM

12. Enjoy your stay

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Response to jpak (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:29 PM

26. & drug culture.

 

You missed that part of the article.

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Response to dudemocrat (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:03 AM

7. We're pretty much the specialists in "lone crazy dude shoots up crowd of strangers"

It's still not very prevalent in an absolute sense even here, but we do lead in that. It's also pretty much the only class of murder whose rate has not diminished over the past few decades.

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Response to dudemocrat (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:04 AM

8. I don't suspect you are speaking of

Western Civilized Nations, are you?
Unfortunately the phrase US - Style Shooting is a lot closer to a comparative truth than the phrase you are chosing.
Have you seen "Shoah"?
The writers are also loving their country. Which is why they want the mass shootings with assault weapons to stop.

Are you planning to home school your children?

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Response to dudemocrat (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:10 AM

14. I hope you teach gun safety too

or are you a pacifist?

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Response to dudemocrat (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:13 AM

16. "Socialism and communism"

Anything conservatives don't agree with.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:38 AM

18. ........or seem to understand very well. n/t

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Response to dudemocrat (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:09 AM

13. LOL!!!!111

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:16 PM

20. A "US-style shooting rampage"

Don't know whether to laugh or cry.


rocktivity

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:44 PM

28. "American Style" - ahhhh so I guess THAT is what the US is #1 at

 

USA!

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:47 PM

29. 'US-style killing rampage'

Yeah, that only happens in the US.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 02:23 PM

32. Hmmm more strict gun laws, but

"Filipinos are required by law to secure a license before they can possess a firearm, and civilians are restricted to a single pistol and either a rifle or shotgun.....Recent data from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime show that there were 8.9 homicides per 100,000 people in the Philippines in 2003, while in the United States there were 3.3 homicides per 100,000 people."

I think our guns were made different - since we know it is guns that cause murders (and football teams/sports that cause most rapes) we need to figure out why our guns are not keeping pace with making us kill as many per capita as other countries (then maybe they can get the same style/make of gun which will obviously fix the problem).

Until all countries have the exact same gun crime rate I am going to be suspicious of what type of magical metal was used in their making (maybe differing styles of voodoo) since we have absolute proof here in the US that all gun owners will, someday, shoot someone.

We also have proven the shooters, well no cares about them, are not to blame mostly. Adam Lanza? Barely a few threads about him since he was not to blame. People don't have reasons/causes for what they do, the devil makes people do it just like back in the middle ages.

Perhaps there was some sarcasm in my reply. Not owning a gun myself it could just be I am not influenced by demons and see more clearly....

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 02:56 PM

33. Aren't we proud of 'US-style' gun rampages? USA #1!

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