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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:59 PM

Anonymous Leaks Horrifying Video of Steubenville High Schoolers Joking About Raping a Teenager ‘Dead

Source: www.jezebel.com

"Anonymous just leaked a 12-minute video of drunk Steubenville high school athletes having a blast making fun of the passed-out 16-year-old girl who was raped by beloved football players Trent Mays and Ma'lik Richmond last August.

Be warned: the video is incredibly disturbing. You probably don't want to watch it. The speaker — identified by misternunya, an independent journalist who posted the video, as former Steubenville High School baseball player Michael Nodianos, who also tweeted lovely comments such as "some people deserve to be peed on" the night of the rape — cracks himself up as he calls the girl "deader than" JFK, OJ's wife, Caylee Anthony, and Trayvon Martin, amongst others."

Read more: http://jezebel.com/5972553/anonymous-leaks-horrifying-video-of-steubenville-high-schoolers-joking-about-raping-a-teenager-deader-than-trayvon-martin



I am usually on the fence about Anonymous's doings. Not today! Bravo! Well done.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:05 PM

1. All glories to the Anons!! \O/ nt

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Response to cecilfirefox (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:05 PM

2. ^ lol- 666th post. nt

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Response to cecilfirefox (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:22 PM

185. The guy on this blog is making me nuts

He is so put out that Anon released the video and other info, it make one wonder why. He is supposed to be about justice. Gotta wonder why he isn't all for this information coming out. Feel free to post on his site and tell him what you think.

http://behindtheyellowtape.me/2013/01/03/real-discussion-real-facts-no-hype-no-masks-friday-7pm-pst/#comment-835

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Response to Scairp (Reply #185)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:28 AM

258. I agree - just went to this guys blog...

At first glance, I'm thinking - "Ok, this is good - here is another blogger out there seeking for the truth wanting people to get information and helping get information out. Then as I read further, he describes Sheriff Abdalla of Jefferson County as being this upstanding good law enforcement - Ok, so I think to myself maybe this bloggers angle is I want to best bud's and get information and cooperation. Then he introduces his new "investigator" and rattles off her investigative credentials and how upstanding she is - ok, so he has a good credible "team". But its what comes next....he slams, and I mean just slams Anon as if they are the bad guys, on par with the Rape crew....Pause....

Scooby Doo - huh????

It makes no sense....Anon just released info that is important and is truly big news....now perhaps the Prosecution has had this same tape that Anon released and the defense either knew or had not been told yet, but what if they didnt? Wouldnt then thos Blogger Ortega who claims to want the truth, be elated that more info has come out? As I read some of the comments, particularly an exchange with someone named "Marie", he is extremely defensive and bordering angry...Pause...

Another Scooby Doo - huh???

What gives? Is he for the truth or not? Is his angle to be seen by Sheriff Abdalla as a good guy and thus get the inside info?

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Response to cecilfirefox (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:25 PM

224. Lookie what I found!

The pig coach's home number and address. He is listed so it's public info and not illegal to post. He pretty much said the girl was lying because of the state she arrived home in that night so she wouldn't get into trouble with her parents. Unfortunately, they photographed the assault so how she could be lying when their is video/photographic evidence of the crime is a mystery only this man can explain. Let's all call him up and ask him!

Reno A Saccoccia
415 Terri Ave, Steubenville, OH 43952

740-346-0266

Mods, let me know if this a violation and I will edit to post the link to the publicly listed home phone and address of this person.

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Response to Scairp (Reply #224)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:32 PM

236. CNN airing the story tomorrow night

Anderson's show. Everyone tune in.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:06 PM

3. Every college they apply to should take great interest

nt

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:09 PM

4. Once on-line, it's there forever

I would love to be the college application person to tell why they are being rejected for admission.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:58 PM

144. too late. Michael Nodianos is apparently now a student at Ohio State University

with a scholarship

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Response to rollin74 (Reply #144)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:22 PM

155. Oh My Fucking God! That's where I went and got my Masters.

No more donations to that school for me.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #155)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:12 PM

158. I wonder if OSU would consider revoking his scholarship and kicking him out

of school over this

perhaps if there is enough of an uproar?

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Response to rollin74 (Reply #158)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:21 PM

161. i am thinking.... nt

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Response to rollin74 (Reply #158)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:35 PM

167. Get enough alumni to commit to withholding donations

And I bet they'd do something.

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Response to Thav (Reply #167)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:38 PM

169. I did just that

It's not much, but they got the message loud and clear.

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Response to rollin74 (Reply #158)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:38 PM

168. I just finish sending off an email to the alumi association

I don't give much, but I told them no more until the university addresses this issue.

He doesn't belong there.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #168)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:57 PM

179. good for you. that is the very best that we can do. that is standing strong as a whole to the ugly

the best.


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Response to rollin74 (Reply #158)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:34 PM

210. Let us hope

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Response to Scairp (Reply #210)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:45 PM

215. red rover, red rover, your rape crew is over. wow.... some face book page. nt

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Response to Scairp (Reply #210)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:58 PM

242. good. I like it. people are also letting their feelings be known on OSU's facebook page

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:31 PM

19. Every fricking one of them should go on a sex offenders list for life. Because that's what they are.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:54 PM

27. Absolutely agree! nt

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Response to freshwest (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:28 PM

40. Yes, they are. Every participant in this video just raped this girl again.

Something big, bad, and appropriate needs to happen to these worthless little @#$%^&*(

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Response to freshwest (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:53 PM

48. They should have their balls chopped off with a dull, rusty knife.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #48)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:11 PM

57. Violence begets violence. That's not a good idea.

There should be consequences--like suspension from high school, being kicked off their favorite sports teams, and maybe even one of those "at-risk" diversion programs where they don't get to have fun with their peers--the kind of "alternative education programs" that have replaced what used to be called REFORM SCHOOL back in my time, but at the end of the day, all these little turds are guilty of is reprehensible speech.

We don't geld people for reprehensible speech.

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Response to MADem (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:57 AM

101. Normally I'd agree

But not when it comes to rapists and child molesters.
Their "weapons" need to be taken away, permanently.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #101)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:22 PM

133. But not with a rusty knife, certainly... nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #133)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:32 PM

134. Of course not.

That would be barbaric.
I recommend a hammer.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #134)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:41 PM

135. I prefer the lock and key, myself, as appropriate.

If you break laws, you go to jail.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:11 AM

104. Go on a list?

They need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #104)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:27 PM

118. That too, obviously.

And then some more.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #104)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:27 PM

119. I didn't say don't punish them. To get on the list, they are convicted of a crime.

What makes you think I don't want them punished?

I'm not the one just asking for an 'apology' the way that Anonymous did. That's not enough. The list is life long punishment.

However, going to the full article at the link, half the town seems to be cool with this event, so they'd probably give them kudos.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #119)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:41 PM

121. Good points

Just a bit touchy on this subject, apologies.
I've got 2 sisters and they were both raped when they were young.
They refused to ID them until years and years later.
Had they told me right after the fact, I'd be in jail right now.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #121)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:15 PM

153. It's cool. I'm quite touchy on it myself, knowing more than I want to know.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #104)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:39 PM

170. Part of the punishment is being on the list. n/t

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:45 PM

44. Not to worry.

 

If they can play fooball good, they're in on a scholarship.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:10 PM

5. Good, let them live with it too.

Dumb asses.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:18 PM

9. I hope not

No one 'deserves' to be raped anywhere, anytime by anyone...especially not while vulnerable as inmates are.

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Response to duhneece (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:26 PM

15. I agree. n/t

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:25 PM

12. No prison rape jokes.

That shit ain't cool.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:26 PM

14. It was really more of a sad reality than a joke, but I take your point. Not appropriate. Should I

delete?

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:29 PM

16. Sorry, I guess I misread.

Your intent wasn't as I suspected. Apologies.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:31 PM

20. No worries. I'll delete. I can see how it would come off that way. n/t

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:44 PM

77. Thank you very much for deleting your post.

I saw your original comment and I realized that you probably weren't making a joke so much as an observation. Unfortunately, there are still some rape jokes around here. A lot of DUers are trying to raise people's consciousness and encourage DUers not to joke about that anymore. Every self-delete helps, even when you didn't mean it as a joke.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:16 PM

7. The jockocracy strikes again

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:48 PM

25. I love that term!

 

Totally fits!

I have seen these towns and the term is a perfect description.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:17 PM

8. Sounds like this town was the inspiration for "Straw Dogs".

Is it art imitating life, or life imitating art?

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:19 PM

10. Anonymous also threatening to release all information

On students, teachers, principals and coaches involved.

SS numbers, personal phone numbers, addresses, everything they've got.

Unless the girl and her parents get an apology from all involved.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:31 PM

17. APOLOGY???

An apology is nowhere near enough! Not even remotely close!!!

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:33 PM

21. I agree, but that's all they require

But think of it, if they apologize, they are admitting complicity in the crime.

A crime which will follow them the rest of their lives, and in public.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:40 PM

23. Instead of saying "I apologize"...

The only word they should say is "GUILTY."

Then suffer the legal ramifications.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:56 PM

29. So if a person was in no way involved, they get their information splashed all over the internet

unless they apologize.

And in order to keep that from happening, they apologize, and it's an admission of complicity.

It's a brave, new world we live in, huh?

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:08 PM

34. Straw man

Anonymous clearly said "those involved".

Any other non-related posts you'd like to make?

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:31 PM

41. Everyone in this video was certainly involved in enjoying the facts of the rape

and also involved in planning a future assault.

Not a brave new world at all. Same old misogynistic bullshit as ever. We just don't usually get it on video.

I wish ill things on all the rapists involved in the tape.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:37 PM

60. Who specifically do you think is on that list that was not involved?

You should read more about the story before saying that.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #60)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:27 PM

71. It's obvious they didn't think it through before posting.

Anonymous has made it extremely clear they are only targeting those involved.

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:03 PM

31. Yeah, it's not like they burped or failed to open a door for someone. It was gang rape.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:08 PM

33. The leaking of the video I support. The blackmail I don't.

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Response to randome (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:10 PM

35. Considering the henious crime

And the release of the students involved, I'm all for the blackmail.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:51 PM

63. It's one thing to blackmail only the guilty. It's another to punish those who aren't.

And Anonymous is not Judge, Jury & Executioner

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Response to randome (Reply #63)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:22 PM

70. No one not involved is being targeted

"And Anonymous is not Judge, Jury & Executioner"

I don't know where you came up with that patented nonsense, but that's just what it is.

By your reasoning, any journalist who reports on a suspect who hasn't been tried is playing Judge, Jury & Executioner. And that's EXACTLY what Anonymous has done. Reported on the case with details about those involved.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #70)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:32 PM

79. And you're taking Anonymous' word for that?


Do you know if they use fact-checkers? How careful are they being not to catch the innocent up in this? How do we know that all the people whose docs they're dropping are actually guilty of anything? If it's because Anonymous gives their anonymous word, then there's no reason to believe that they have.

A journalist says "alleged" in their story unless a perp has been found guilty. It might sound like a small courtesy, but it isn't. It tells you what is being reported is an unverified accusation instead of a verified fact. Journalists also don't demand that someone accused of a crime admit wrong-doing and apologize for it before a trial.

Now, don't take that to mean that I'm unhappy with Anonymous for leaking this video, but when you present their blackmailing people without verified proof of wrongdoing as journalism, I have to disagree. This is something else entirely. Perhaps they're motivations look noble, and their demands aren't economic, but it still doesn't rise above blackmail.

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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:58 AM

94. "How careful are they being not to catch the innocent up in this?"

I concur.

If anyone here has not seen it already, I recommend a viewing of The Star Chamber, starring Michael Douglas and Hal Holbrook.

But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o' mice an' men
Gang aft a-gley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promised joy.


http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-best-laid-schemes-of-mice-and-men.html

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Response to Tempest (Reply #70)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:51 AM

91. Anonymous is nothing on a par with journalism. That's just laughable.

They have misidentified individuals before. They identified the wrong person on a molestation case. They have given the wrong address of individuals, resulting in false accusations. 'Journalist'? That's an absurd word to use for these superhero wannabes.

I stand by what I said. Publishing the video is a good thing. Blackmail is not.

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Response to randome (Reply #63)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:42 AM

106. yeah, because judges and juries do SO well for rape victims.

JOCKOCRACY as someone here said. The jocks never pay consequences, and they know it.

Get away with anything allows you to DO anything...as often as you like.

Read "Our Boys", about the NJ high school football stars and how they gang raped a mentally disabled girl (first they conspired together to trick her into thinking they were her friends, so they could lure her to the basement of one kid's house).

And how THEY were the ones protected by the school, the town and the legal system..

While SHE was blamed.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #106)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:43 PM

122. Anonymous doesn't have a good track record, either.

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Response to randome (Reply #122)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:11 PM

130. ok... but that doesnt nullify the difficulty in getting punishment for RAPISTS

and stopping them through the court system.

Anonymous' s record is an unrelated argument.

Bringing their actions out in the open is GREAT, because violence against women (and male BONDING over it) THRIVES in secrecy! And if they were there and didn't at least call the cops, they are COMPLICIT.

No such thing as innocent bystanders here.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #130)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:13 PM

159. Don't agree.

With the video, yes. But Anonymous is threatening to release personal information of everyone on the team. They have no idea who is guilty or not.

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Response to randome (Reply #159)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:23 PM

162. and many if not all KNOW. does it make them any more innocent staying quiet? nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #162)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:50 PM

171. Of course not. I just dislike the idea of Anonymous determining who should be 'punished'.

We rail against BushCo's illegal wars. We point out illegal foreclosure tactics. But when Anonymous tries to blackmail a few dozen people in order to 'get' the guilty parties, are we supposed to applaud that?

Leaking the video was cool. Blackmail is not.

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Response to randome (Reply #171)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:00 PM

180. you kmow, i watched a video in india, a govt official went in a home at 2 AM and raped a woman.

because he can. because the govt does nothing. because the answer to gang rape is girls dont were skirts and no cell phone for girls, really showing the rapists what for.

the villagers got hold of him, stripped him down and slapped and hit him with sticks.

good for them

if the govt does not do what they are suppose to do, then they leave it to the people.

this girls was drugged, dragged to three parties for boys to rape her, and left with no recourse.

tough. fuckin. shit. about every single person that knew and did nothing.

tough.

lesson learned.

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Response to randome (Reply #171)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:39 PM

196. Not that shit again

They are targeting ONLY THOSE INVOLVED in the crime and the cover-up.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #196)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:16 PM

207. That's not what was posted last week or so.

If that's the case, though, I have no objections to that.

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Response to randome (Reply #207)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:43 PM

213. I've never seen anything else posted

I'd be interested in seeing some of those posts if you can direct me to them.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #213)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:54 PM

219. From last Tuesday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022069336#post15

I don't much like vigilantes thinking they 'know' who is guilty and who is not. As I said, they have been wrong before.

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Response to randome (Reply #219)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:02 PM

222. If Anonymous had not published this material, nobody would ever have been charged.

The district attorney for the county is the mother of one of the perpetrators. She bullied the victim and her family into not pressing charges and claimed not to have any evidence. As a result of the publicity generated by Anonymous, the district attorney have finally recused herself and there might be a real investigation, although the entire county appears to be so corrupt it's not clear that any evidence is left.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #222)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:45 PM

225. this was an interesting read if you havent seen it.

looks liek they have more evidence than what we were led to believe. of course, the police may just be trying to get self out of trouble.


http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/09/sexual_assault_awareness_campa.html


it is from this thread. a 14 yr old came forward

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022127114

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Response to yardwork (Reply #222)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:07 PM

229. A case with a conflict of interest so obvious should be moved to another county/district attorney's

office. I know in Minnesota cases have been moved to another country for lesser reasons.

It doesn't guarantee to get rid of all the cronyism but it's a start.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #222)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 04:05 PM

263. But you see, my dear yardwork, the motivation behind Anti-Social Justice Movement propaganda is to

discredit individuals or groups of individuals that struggle for human rights, if the actions of those individuals or collectives generally conflict with the economic interests of the 1% in some way. These propagandists could care less about justice for victims; for them, victims are just an excellent vehicle for them to be able to spew their propaganda.

The content of the respective post, thread, or discussion, matters little to these propagandists, whose primary goal is to denigrate and discredit those struggling for justice and equality.

I've even seen these Anti-Social Justice Movement propagandists attempt to discredit Occupiers who were engaged in the effort to provide relief for Occupy Sandy victims.

It's so pathetic that it is embarrassing.

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Response to randome (Reply #159)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:13 AM

252. hmmm

That part isn't so good.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #252)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:06 AM

257. I'm all for breaking a few rules -even laws- to get evidence on these guys.

But I'm very wary of anyone rooting for vigilante justice when Anonymous has been wrong before. In the case of the video, they did a great thing.

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Response to randome (Reply #257)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:04 AM

259. hrrm...yeah I see ur point.

Would be UNGOOD to ruin innocent people. Not to mention ruin prosecution against the scumbags.

What issues has Anonymous gotten wrong? Do u have any links? Just curious about what I missed.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #259)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:27 PM

261. I don't have links. But they mis-identified someone as a molester earlier this year.

And they published the wrong address & phone number of someone else, resulting in that person being accused of...something, I forget what.

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Response to randome (Reply #122)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:35 PM

237. Beside the point

They did good this time.

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Response to Scairp (Reply #237)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:13 PM

244. That appears to be true.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:24 PM

11. Heh heh. "Anonymous" ain't foolin around here. . .

Check out previous post re Anonymous/Steubenville:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022069336


Whatever it takes these days to bring those punk-assed jocks to account is fine by me. . .

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:25 PM

13. Steubenville High School is a sick place

Michael Nodianos needs his ass kicked.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:31 PM

18. I feel sick after watching this.....pure evil....sociopaths.....no soul....

I am just left wondering how these boys ended up this way...its chilling....so what if they were drunk or high...all it means is that their true inner is revealed.....only someone evil and with no respect for humans or anything decent could talk in such a manner and have not one bit of concern for a human being that was not only repeatedly raped, but then laugh about them being dead and make vile jokes about her pussy and one comment in beginning as his proof that she is dead is that with a "wang" in her ass she didnt make a sound and if she were alive, she would have.....

OMG -this girl was raped anally too....and then as she layed there passed out, they laughed and mocked her dead lifeless body....only that she wasnt dead.....

Im just sick to my stomach....there was even in the end of the video a girl who walks in to that room....did she know what had happened there? Anybody and everybody there and anybody who helped cover this up is guilty of the rape and should be charged....Im not sure what, but they are not deserving of being able to go about their daily lives as usual....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:05 PM

32. +1,000. I didn't watch, but unfortunately I can imagine this. A lot of peoeple get away with it.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:18 PM

38. Sad thing is, in many cases.....

It often stems from one's upbringing; tragically, there are a few million people in this country, of many races, who grew up under the shadow of their father's belt, razor strop, hickory branch, what have you, or whose parent, or parents, inculcated them with certain brands of propaganda, like "women are worthless/pathetic/etc.", or "Don't trust this race or religion because they're different/a threat/etc.", etc....and sometimes, it's both.

Of course, though, there are a few people who turn out poorly no matter their upbringing(it's usually due to mental illness, but not always. Some kid could grow up in a loving family and end up turning out like an asshole because he was ensnared by some Neo-Nazis, or the Klan or something. It does happen.).

And the other underlying problem is certain aspects of this nation's culture, at least some of which do tie in with punitive/controlling/abusive, etc. parenting from time to time.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:56 PM

51. is it evil? or is it our new norm. nt

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:38 PM

22. Wow, whenever...

my birthplace makes the news, it is never good.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:47 PM

24. In

this vicious sick american culture/society, the utter lack of compassion for this young woman who made a typical teenage mistake is very sad indeed. Yet does not surprise me in the least. This is a mean culture of spoiled brats who feel entitled to do anything to any one and expect no recrimination for their actions. I like anonymous. You did good!

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:12 PM

36. I seriously doubt "spoiling" is the problem(unless you mean something different than the norm?).

Sad truth is, that's been used by reactionary right-wing pundits for years to try to back up their various ridiculous claims about today's youth......

If anything at all, one of the real problems appears to be hardcore punitive, and otherwise poor parenting. Waaaaaayy too many people in this country have grown up under the shadow of a belt or razor strop, or a father who kept telling them that women were worthless, that might makes right, etc. Those are almost always the types of kids who go on to do this kind of stuff(there are some exceptions, though, from what I've seen, there are a fair number of those kids who grow up in those households, who end up hating and/or not wanting to be like, their abuser, who manage to become fairly decent citizens.).

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:38 PM

43. no

problem with anything you said here.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:16 AM

84. Not sure that was the case here

As others have noted, these were elite football players at a football worshipping school. They were treated like royalty.

The mother of one of these boys is a county prosecutor. The whole justice system here seems to have redefined its mission as one of protecting the jocks and terrorizing anyone who stood up to them.

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Response to lolly (Reply #84)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:22 AM

90. That may be true.

And certainly, assholish parents may end up passing these unfortunate personality traits on to their children regardless of whether they abuse them or not.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #90)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:47 PM

239. Actually, the mother of one of these creeps is prosecutor.

Some of the action occurred at her house.

She convinced the victim her mother to drop charges.

The prosecutor-mother's actions are incomprehensibly disgusting.

It seems that the State of Ohio is moving in because the prosecutor interfered in the case for her own benefit and that of her son.

As a former attorney (still with two state licenses), I hope that the prosecutor is disbarred as soon as possible, for life.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #239)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:44 PM

248. If this is indeed the case.....

She not only needs to be disbarred, but she ought to be facing some criminal charges as well; IMO, what she did basically amounts to harassment and possibly even intimidation.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #248)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:22 AM

256. We are in agreement. I just want the bar to really go after one of their own bad eggs first.

If possible. She should not be allowed to resign.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:26 PM

164. Yet, you find conservative types constantly saying that we should go back to the values of......

..."the Good Old Days" with a frequent application of a stern father's belt or razor strop. It's almost always an older person who'll say it, frequently it's a religious conservative.

I have a 'friend' on FB (actually an acquaintance from high school) who'll talk about being punished as a kid and saying "That's what made me the man I am today!" I just hide most of his posts instead of unfriending him or being honest and asking: "Is that what made you the asshole you are today?"

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #164)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:11 PM

173. Sad but very true, Tom.

And I've seen this kind of thing all too often on the internet, particularly on YouTube and HuffPost.....(not just the boasting by these reactionaries, but I, too, have noticed that the vast majority of these "Beatings made me a REAL MAN!!1!!11!!one!", people are complete and total jerkoffs.)

It does make me question humanity sometimes, TBH.......

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 07:51 PM

26. God, some of the comments on Jezebel are awful

Some ass saying basically "boys will be boys". People suck. That poor poor girl.

I'm really in love with Anonymous right now. Good for you guys.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:33 PM

42. Yes, I'm always amazed at how much scum comes out of the woodwork

on this type of thing.

And yes, thank you Anonymous!

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:00 PM

30. these kids are future GOP

Which is why we can expect more of the "the girl lied" memes hitting you know where (rhymes with "socks)

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:16 PM

37. Obviously, the person who published this as "anonymous" was afraid of the social or physical

repercussions if he/she put his/her name on it.

Publishing something as "anonymous" is not a problem. The Federalist Papers were written under pseudonyms, and Benjamin Franklin loved using pseudonyms.

What is problematic with "anonymous" is how they obtain their material. It's hard to know whether they are invading the privacy of others or simply publishing stuff that is given to them either from a person with legitimate access to it and a deeply troubled conscience about what is in the stuff or by hackers. I think that people who publish stuff or invade the privacy of others for reasons of conscience but have legitimate reasons for going public with it are doing society a favor although sometimes at great cost to themselves.

I didn't watch the video. I probably shouldn't.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:20 AM

85. When the justice system breaks down completely, there's little other recourse

The police and the courts in this town protect the football players and harrass and intimidate anyone who stands up to them, according to several reports.

I would certainly prefer that the criminals be turned over to a justice system, tried fairly, and punished if found guilty.

But when the justice system refuses to perform this function, what recourse do victims have?

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:20 PM

39. I hope there's some serious reprecussions for these morons.

Good on you, Anonymous!

Hopefully this poor teen girl can make a recovery. Nobody deserves that shit. Nobody.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:49 PM

45. Disgusting

I think this is shows American Character at its worse.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:55 PM

49. It's not American Character.

It's an embodiment of what the repigs have wrought, and some imbeciles have eaten, like poison in a rat trap.

I know we often look uncivilized, and maybe 10-20% percent of us are. But it's not the influence of
"Hollywood," it's the acidic influence of those who have decided kids need to be more "manly" and PROVE it, just like Jesus holding a goddamned assualt rifle, tearing down the "libruls."

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Response to xfundy (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:02 PM

54. My brother lives in NJ

He is a football fan and none of his players can do no wrong...He believes Hannity should be president. I have lost any belief that America will be great again...it has gone decadent...It has imploded into corruption and decay

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Response to xfundy (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:14 PM

58. Something in your post made me suddenly remember a scene in Dirty Dancing...

Yes, that movie, where Jennifer Grey's character is talking to a smarmy frat boy who got the glamorous but wrong-side-of-the-tracks dance instructor pregnant. She confronts him to get money to terminate the pregnancy and he holds up a copy of Ayn Rand's "Fountainhead" and says something like "some people count, some don't". That seems to be the GOP ethos for the last 30 years.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #58)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:52 PM

78. sounds like my brother

He always makes excuses for republicans.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:03 PM

148. Damned straight that's what they are, a buncha sociopaths shunned by good people.

But running amok in business...

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:56 AM

110. American?

No, the rape and abuse of women and girls is international and occurs in every country, much to the shame of the world. The incident in India being the latest atrocity.




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Response to Beacool (Reply #110)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:22 PM

132. Which incident?

Where the young woman was tossed from a moving bus or where the teenager committed suicide after the police told her to marry one of her rapists?

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Response to aquart (Reply #132)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:45 PM

137. Both were appalling.

I should have said "incidents", plural.



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Response to Beacool (Reply #110)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:14 PM

152. Very true, every continent. Every country. No exceptions, just percentages.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:51 PM

46. This kind of shit is reflective of GOP worldview.

In that: Some people are trash, who need no compassion, no help getting housing, food, childcare, healthcare, meaningful work, getting warm in the cold, being clothed if they have only rags, and therefore are completely worthless, good only for being mocked or literally raped, because those who abuse them are doubtlessly True Christians™, worthy, Real 'Murricans, ie, Publicans.

This makes me want to puke.

But this is what Fox Noise has turned one part of our populace into: unthinking, primal assholes who don't believe in evolution and constantly prove they never evolved, and/or devolved into the shit cesspool they inhabit. And yet, they imagine themselves current or future leaders.

I hope this girl survives and sues every one of these unthinking oozes into oblivion. I hope she gets millions beyond what therapy will require and is able to fulfill the dreams these young reptilians tried to steal from her.

This is the nation the repigs have tried to create, carried out by lizard brained assholes who deserve severe punishment. Biblical punishment, without all the loopholes that shit usually entails.

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Response to xfundy (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:08 PM

150. The GOP libertarian sees labor, thus people, as an expendable commodity.

Not deserving of anything more than a child prostitute for sale, a forest to be burned, or an animal for the slaughter. The GOP faux christian wing is really no different when they still keep company with the other half.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:51 PM

47. I hope these asshats are humiliated to Kingdom Come.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:56 PM

50. Football builds character...

There you go...

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:57 PM

52. This is what "boys will be boys" looks like. Do we really want our boys to look like this?

I don't, and I work really hard to make sure my son doesn't buy into "boys will be boys" bullshit.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #52)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:07 PM

56. I hated those boys when I was a boy, and all that "be a man" " it'll make you a man" bullshit too

And there is no way on Earth that I'm going to watch that video

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 08:57 PM

53. Stupidville

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:06 PM

55. Teenagers and alcohol shouldn't mix

Alcohol decreases anyone's natural humanity. Those who are naturally less humane shouldn't touch it.

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Response to marshall (Reply #55)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:43 PM

61. A date rape drug was used. Can't blame it on alcohol.

This was a planned attack.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #61)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:57 PM

66. I was talking about the assailants' use of alcohol

The young woman is the victim.

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Response to marshall (Reply #66)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:10 PM

68. I know.

My point was that the assailants obtained the ruffies before drinking. They were sober when they made the decision to rape someone.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:10 AM

103. Poor character = teen alcohol use

Unfortunately they are the same damages teens, drunk or not. It's those flaws that likely draw them to booze.

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Response to marshall (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:56 AM

111. Alcohol doesn't cause rape

Being a sociopathic rapist causes rape.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #111)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:58 AM

113. That's true

And that type of personality is prone to many other horrible vices, including alcohol abuse.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:18 PM

59. details of what happened to the girl (graphic)

She woke up long enough to vomit in the street, a witness said, and she remained there alone for several minutes with her top off. Another witness said Mays and Richmond were holding her hair back.

Afterward, they headed to the home of one football player who has now become a witness for the prosecution. That player told the police that he was in the back seat of his Volkswagen Jetta with Mays and the girl when Mays proceeded to flash the girl’s breasts and penetrate her with his fingers, while the player videotaped it on his phone. The player, who shared the video with at least one person, testified that he videotaped Mays and the girl “because he was being stupid, not making the right choices.” He said he later deleted the recording.

The girl “was just sitting there, not really doing anything,” the player testified. “She was kind of talking, but I couldn’t make out the words that she was saying.”
Some people at the party taunted her, chanted and cheered as a Steubenville High baseball player dared bystanders to urinate on her, one witness testified.

About two hours later, the girl left the party with several Big Red football players, including Mays and Richmond, witnesses said. They stayed only briefly at a second party before leaving for their third party of the night. Two witnesses testified that the girl needed help walking. One testified that she was carried out of the house by Mays and Richmond while she “was sleeping.”


At that third party, the girl could not walk on her own and vomited several times before toppling onto her side, several witnesses testified. Mays then tried to coerce the girl into giving him oral sex, but the girl was unresponsive, according to the player who videotaped Mays and the girl.

The player said he did not try to stop it because “at the time, no one really saw it as being forceful.”

At one point, the girl was on the ground, naked, unmoving and silent, according to two witnesses who testified. Mays, they said, had exposed himself while he was right next to her.

Richmond was behind her, with his hands between her legs, penetrating her with his fingers, a witness said.

“I tried to tell Trent to stop it,” another athlete, who was Mays’s best friend, testified. “You know, I told him, ‘Just wait — wait till she wakes up if you’re going to do any of this stuff. Don’t do anything you’re going to regret.’ ”

He said Mays answered: “It’s all right. Don’t worry.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html?pagewanted=5&_r=5&smid=tw-share

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:21 PM

260. Regarding this horrible vile event, Anonymous, our society & what needs to be done:

If there wasn't a vacuum of morality, truth and justice in the Steubenville rape or in our country in general, Anonymous wouldn't exist to fill it or have stepped in. Our culture, our communities, our families, and our justice system are not organized or motivated to reveal the truth. 
 
False narratives reinforce the status quo, which serves the interests of many. I hope I live long enough to see the full roar of the information age. When information overwhelms anyone's power to control it, I believe there will be individuals who will innovate and find ways to separate facts and data from propaganda, and present information to individuals globally. 
 
Truth will be available to us all one day, and it may be mankind's salvation. I see groups like Anonymous as the tip of the spear, and ahead of their time - Not that far ahead, I hope. 
 
Its disgusting and pathetic that a group of First-world young people would blatantly abuse an incapacitated person for the amusement of onlookers. Alcohol is not to blame. I do not believe that alcohol can turn a normal, empathetic, sexually/mentally healthy teenage male into a monster. Alcohol can only lower the inhibitions to the point where the drunk teenager stops hiding monstrous impulses and a criminal mindset, in the sense that the drunk teenager does not see a victim as an equal whose rights and bodily integrity must be respected. 
 
Think about it: if you encountered an incapacitated person in a supermarket aisle or a parking garage, would you strip their clothes, piss on them, and insert objects in their ass? Would you transport them to one of your haunts and carry them in so you could repeat your actions for others to see? Would you laugh and mock them for being possibly dead? Would any amount of alcohol make you do such a thing? No. You would most likely try to get them some help and at worst, ignore them. 
 
The perpetrators of such crimes have in my view, no social value. Something in them is so very broken that cannot be fixed, and even if it could be fixed, society has a long "to do" list, and fixing the fundamentally permanentely broken (an undertaking that is expensive and not statistically likely to work) should be a low priority. Perhaps they are someone's beloved child, but they are as useless as human beings as a car with a cracked engine block - they cannot function as transportation, they are not suitable to their purpose. Society would be better off without them. 
 
We must learn how to stop creating monstrous offspring with the zeal of NASA astrophysicists, and cull the broken ones who come to our attention. Utopian, brutal, and a slippery slope, but if justly undertaken, the reduction of predators in society would reap unimaginable benefits.  Castration? Permanent Detention & Life in Prison? Wherever they are, the people who violated the bodily integrity of the young woman, in my view, have forfeited their humanity and all rights afforded to them by their society. To allow them to continue to be part of society, and enjoy enumerated rights, means that society is willing to tolerate predation and criminally aberrant citizens who categorically reject the fundamental "rule of law" underpinning our society, and is essentially an endorsement by our society that the range of expected human behavior that humans permit includes such sociopathic cruelty.  

Its time for some change....



Rant over....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #260)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 04:30 PM

264. Also, these rapists didn't just find an incapacitated girl. They drugged her and kidnapped her.

According to their tweets, the rapists planned this. Her ex-boyfriend, enraged with her for breaking up with him, had his best friend pretend to be interested in her. He lured her to the house of friends where she was given a date rape drug, and when she was unconscious, then they raped her and drove her around town to other people's houses, where she was repeatedly raped and violated. And they documented all this every step of the way and later on, when they made celebratory videotapes. They spoke of her in the foul and vile terms and then all the grownups in authority blamed her for being a drunk and a slut.

This sixteen year old girl was victimized in so many ways it's difficult to comprehend. It's like a horror film.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:43 PM

62. I won't watch the video.

Something happened (details harmless but irrelevant) last semester at school that lets me know that my stomach is just not as strong as it used to be. I would hate to be the mother of one of these evil little shits. I don't know what I would do.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:54 PM

64. Social media really lets you know who people really are.

If I was the coach I probably would have kicked every single one of 'em off the team after that video leaked.

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Response to Initech (Reply #64)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:24 AM

86. I think he's part of the problem

Look the other way, as long as they're winning games.

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Response to lolly (Reply #86)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:10 AM

93. The coach IS one of the problems in that town

This season, the coach, who is used to winning, had to do without Mays and Richmond. But others who were at the parties and might have witnessed the suspected assault continued to play on the team. Saccoccia, a 63-year-old who brims with bravado, was the sole person in charge of determining whether any players would be punished.

Saccoccia, pronounced SOCK-otch, told the principal and school superintendent that the players who posted online photographs and comments about the girl the night of the parties said they did not think they had done anything wrong. Because of that, he said, he had no basis for benching those players.

The two players who testified at a hearing in early October to determine if there was enough evidence to continue the case were eventually suspended from the team. That came eight games into the 10-game regular season.

Approached in November to be interviewed about the case, Saccoccia said he did not “do the Internet,” so he had not seen the comments and photographs posted online from that night. When asked again about the players involved and why he chose not to discipline them, he became agitated.

“You made me mad now,” he said, throwing in several expletives as he walked from the high school to his car.

Nearly nose to nose with a reporter, he growled: “You’re going to get yours. And if you don’t get yours, somebody close to you will.”

Much more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html?pagewanted=7&_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss


Emphasis added.

With having an authority figure feeling free to threaten a reporter in public, no wonder the players on his team feel free to do whatever they want.

High school and college sports have far too much influence in many towns in this country.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #93)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:13 PM

151. No law enforcement will touch this enabler, huh? He needs to be put on the net for the whole world.

Nothing else will do any good, since the town is full of.. whatever.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #93)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:47 PM

217. Apparently the mafia runs Steubenville, Ohio. The coach's threat was probably not just bluster.

I have a feeling that bad things really do happen to people - or the people close to them - who threaten the power structure in that town.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #217)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:47 PM

226. Then the more publicity the better

The video that Anonymous put up was not originally private. The perpetrators themselves had it online and shared it among their friends. It was only when the story started making waves they removed it.

Anonymous just restored to public view the same stuff these pathetic losers had used to brag about their exploits - with one difference. Anonymous publicized it so society at large could see what that little cesspool of a town has been allowing to happen.

Put a bright spotlight on the place watch the roaches run for cover, flip over the rocks to keep them from hiding!

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Response to yardwork (Reply #217)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:10 PM

231. Not the Mafia

at least not the old school mafia. They didn't go after the people close to the person they were out to get.

This is just typical of the cultists who thinks sports teams are untouchable.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:57 PM

65. Nice job

I'm happy to have found dude's phone number and address. Now I'm just wonderin' just what to do with it... Crap in a box? Robodialer? No, I can come up with something better than those.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:58 PM

67. Nothing has changed

 

It's back to high school and jockdum once again after all these years!

I remember well when similars took a shit on a friends front car seat while he and a woman date were at a movie only to come out from the theater afterwards to find it. And he was one of their "friends" prior to that. Somehow they thought it was something funny or appropriate, like a right of passage or something. He hates them to this day for it.

I remember the same assholes running naked through a camp of young girls camping out at a state park and then running to our camp site to draw blame toward us. When the park ranger showed up at our site it took a while to convince him that it wasn't us and he never did pursue it further. They were not arrested for anything and they camped there for the rest of the night. Nothing ever happened to them regarding that.

I remember the same assholes vomiting all over the men's room in a facility at an 'end of senior year' party and I was the one who had to mop it all up the next morning. I did it as a favor to the class president who was a friend but couldn't bear to be in the room as it was. I still don't know how I was able to endure it either. I still think about that every time I listen to or see one of these repugs on TV or radio.

There are many more stories from my high school years just like this regarding them and theirs.

Now most of them are selling insurance or they are lawyers or doctors or such. I never go to reunions because I don't want to see them ever again. They are the same bastards that they were back then. They are the same bastards that vote and work against my best interests. They were my enemies then and they remain my enemies now.

I know that all of the tea party and repug bastards that are in government, or aspire to be, are EXACTLY the same as these 'people' that I learned not to trust a long long time ago.

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Response to chazunit (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:55 AM

108. That makes me double glad that I went to an all girl's school.

The nuns would have walloped their backsides if anyone had behaved like those guys. Yuck!!!

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:20 PM

69. I'll say it. America has lost her moral compass.


Death, rape, assault, theft - to more and more people, it just doesn't matter. It's a game.

We are surrounded by and bombarded with images, in various media, that glorify violence and self-aggrandizement and instant gratification, and mock civility.

Is it any wonder we see example after example of people acting without any sliver of care for their fellow human beings? Any wonder we have so many desensitized to respect for the law, respect for others' rights, desensitized even to the very life of others?

Talk all you want about guns and inanimate objects being to blame for terrible and unthinkable crimes. But the problem is the people who do these things. And the only reason I can see for the level of disregard of one person toward another is a collapse of morality in our society.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:28 PM

72. That pretty much happened in 2004.

When the country elected a president who blatantly lied to the public and went to war based upon that lie.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:31 PM

74. absolutely. i agree. it is all becoming a norm. how can it be wrong, if it is a norm. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #74)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:17 PM

131. yes, you are so right, seabeyond

It has become a norm.

When I look at comments on sites like YouTube, Yahoo, UrbanDictionary, etc., the contempt for female-ness is really realllllllly upsetting. Any girl that tries to speak out for herself is piled on.

It's bad.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #131)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:03 PM

147. i was talking to my 70 yr old father last night about this, comments, and the other recent events.

he is clueless of course. but, this is what we talked about. the men that do not use the net as a social reinforcer, social network and delve into the ugly of it, are normal. but.... they are becoming fewer, also.

the net effects us and is changing us.

the perverted and wrong view is being reinforced over and over and over.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:44 PM

76. We are rapidly turning into a "Mad Max" society.

It's true; I don't care what anyone says.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:14 AM

89. I disagree. I think, sadly, horrible shit has always happened.

It has not always happened and been easily vidotaped by an idiot accomplice with an iPhone, however.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #89)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:39 PM

156. I remember something similar portrayed in Ingmar Bergman's 'The Seventh Seal' years ago.

Everything reduced to flesh and nothing else, really.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:59 AM

115. This has always happened, and in every country

But, with smart phones, social media, and 24/7 news, we hear about it much more. The good news is, because of all of these tings. more people are arrested and convicted.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:56 PM

139. "reality" TV too

people behaving badly (who are PAID) are presented as entertainment, and the viewers just eat it up

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:30 PM

73. I feel sick

Please tell me justice will prevail.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 11:34 PM

80. Sick bastards ...

both the guy talking AND the guy filming it.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:29 AM

82. I wanna say I'm shocked but...

I'm really not. This is beyond sad.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:41 AM

83. I just can't bring myself to watch the video. But I did check the Cleveland Plain Dealer....

And found this little nugget...

"The case and another involving a 14-year-old girl that appeared in the Internet evidence are being handled by the Ohio Attorney General's office because of conflicts of interest for the local prosecutor, whose son is also on the football and wrestling teams."


http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/12/top_10_stories_of_2012_no_8_ra.html


And you wonder why these miscreants acted like they could get away with murder...

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #83)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 04:00 PM

262. Thanks for that link...interestingly, scroll down and check what the #1 story of 2012 was...

Jimmy Haslam buys the Browns. Football is King huh?

fvckin' little pricks

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:29 AM

87. What a fucking dipshit.

This is fucking horrific.

What a pack of assholes.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:13 AM

88. Throw the book at those guys. All of them, all the books.

At least there is video evidence to help the jury decide.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #88)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:39 AM

96. Mandatory surgical castration for violent rapists

That is all.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:48 AM

92. If I were there, I would just kick that fucker in the mouth.

I doubt there is anyone here who would not love to do the same.

There's no reason to be polite to such people or worry that they might beat you up. The important thing is to kick his teeth in so he can think about what he did for the rest of his life. Getting beat up in the aftermath by his teammates would be a minor inconvenience.

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Response to Prometheus Bound (Reply #92)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:20 PM

174. You realize talk like that is a big reason women do not report it

If you're there, you can prevent it from happening. But if you're the type to talk about revenge after the fact, you could be preventing someone you love from reporting it. We don't want the good guys we love to end up in jail. So we'd hesitate to tell you. Happens frequently.
Just food for thought.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:31 AM

95. i watch this, and i am in the process of checking out colleges for son. new orleans university in

the athletes dorms.

sigh...

leaves me with a lot of questions for the recruiter as i was falling asleep last night.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:21 AM

97. Some of those comments are almost as sick as the video..




filmgenius and 96 more
I don't think they were just drunk. I think they were high too. What they mean by dead is her reputation is dead. Meaning no one will ever date her or sleep with her again. This is just boys being stupid because they are too young to understand the seriousness of the situation. Maybe instead of making internet threats and forcing them to say sorry, Anonymous should have just emailed this video to their parents. Even if they did say they were sorry, they don't mean it. You can't shame a teenage boy into feeling remorse. All they see is their friends getting in trouble because of a girl.


"Just boys being stupid". Clearly they arent the only ones.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #97)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:24 AM

98. they drug her, drag her around, abuse and rape her and HER reputation is ruined.

and that about says it all.

a whole lot of stupid out there alright.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #98)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:59 AM

114. Hey...

We cant be hurting these little fuckheads football aspirations now can we? It would be SO traumatic for them, I'm sure. Poor boys.

Little bastards. Every single one of them should be neutered. What the HELL is wrong with people?! The more I think about this the more pissed off I get. I cant imagine how this poor girls friends and family feel. My heart just breaks for her.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #114)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:06 PM

116. between this, india, passing laws to stop gang rape with no skirts and cell phone for girls.

show those rapists. the supposed fatwa for gang rape and du a few du men outraged i say men gang rape instead of people, and this...

this pacifist is saying, get a gun and shoot to kill. i have never even approached this mentality. but, if we are gonna say it is the girls fault for using a cell phone, and her reputation is ruined because she was dragged, and men have legal permission to gang rape?

get a damn gun and shoot to kill.

edit to add... also i watched a FB gang rape for 8 minutes and was so shaken up and sickened, that will never leave my mind. sits there. and was assured by a few men on du, really, only simulated porn gang rape for men to get off on. not one bit showed it was not a real rape. fuzzied body so men couldnt be identified, to her curling up in a ball at the end.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #116)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:45 PM

124. "only simulated porn gang rape for men to get off on"

What kind of sick fuck gets off over a woman being gang raped? What kind of twisted, psychotic individual does that?!

Then we have the men, bemoaning the fact that women look at each of them as potential rapists. hmm. I wonder why that would be. Silly histrionics. Oh ok. Every female on this planet has reason the be afraid. Some more than others to be sure... but none of us is safe.

Imagine in there were videos of women lopping of mens junk and smacking them in the face with it so that we could "get off"?! It would NEVER stand. Maybe someday our lives will be "worth" as much a men. heh. Yeah right.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #124)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:00 PM

146. i am sending son off to college, and to be in athletic dorms. just now, talking about this thread

a very good conversation so he is aware i had a thought.

i told him, eveytime i walk into a bathroom or dressing room, and when i was single, into a hotel room i automatically look for a camera. (the man who had this in his emails also had pictures of underage girls in shots from a bathroom, like a camera was hidden). i told son, automatically, without thought i peruse walls and fixtures to see if camera and behavior in that bathroom is with an unconscious thought to being filmed.

has he EVER experienced that in life. does he have that consideration at all, anywhere in his life.

another eye opener that for a guy, a man, they do not even consider, that we live with.

if nothing else, this thread is just another learning experience for my boys.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #146)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:28 PM

165. I do the same. Sad isnt it?

Dressing rooms... ugh... Especially dressing rooms. I rarely even try clothes on in the store anymore. Then theres the fear of going to the car in a dark "empty" parking lot. *check underneath* *look around the area* *have keys in hand before I get to the door* *check the back seat*...

When I was younger, over 20 years ago (I think I was 17), I was walking down the street on my way home from a store one night. A guy pulled over, the passenger opened the door, grabbed me & tried to pull me in the car. They were yelling at me in spanish. I fought like hell and got away. Three weeks later I had a gun pulled on me. Different person, same city. I could go on & on.

Its sad to think that the majority of us has probably had at least 1 such experience in our lives. Thats what I got for being small & "pretty"... so I was told.

Im so glad that you are a parent & have what Im sure are intelligent, caring sons. Women would have to live in fear if there were more Moms like you.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #165)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:35 PM

166. yep yep yep to all you are saying.

it really is a lack of understanding on a mans part, because they simply do not live the same manner as we have learned to live.

and thank you. like i told him today, it is all about making aware so he is informed so he is prepared. it is about parenting.

another part of the conversation. he said if he saw any girl in that position he would hit the guy. stop it. i told him, so much more to do before it got to that point. when out and about, keep eye open to what is going on. be aware. aware of the girl that is wasted. aware of what is happening with her. at that point, get another girl and the two get the girl home safe. so many things our guys can do that does not put them at risk, but does not let the rapist rape.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #166)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:29 PM

176. And all it takes is one good man to stand up and make it stop.

You know what the guys on the street were doing as that asshole was trying to pull me into the car? Nothing. They did nothing. And theres nothing worse than knowing that NO ONE cares that youre in danger. Stepping in to help can change a womans life for the better. While doing nothing almost always changes it for the worse.

The women in yours sons lives will be better off for knowing them. I hope they appreciate the knowledge youre giving them. It does my heart good.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #176)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:02 PM

181. again... you are right.

and thank you

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Response to bunnies (Reply #97)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:51 AM

100. "This is just boys being stupid...."

I watched the video (and would NOT recommend that others watch it; I wish I hadn't) and it wasn't just "boys being stupid." They raped that young woman repeatedly and were then joking and laughing about it--someone asked the giggling shitbag in the video, "What if she was your daughter?" and he responded, "But she isn't." No empathy, no remorse, just mockery and derision of a girl they raped. He deserves to be dragged into the street and beaten with a baseball bat, imo, and I'm not normally a violent person. If I were that young woman's father I'd probably be planning all sorts of unpleasant things for that worthless, repugnant fuck.

Some of the townspeople in the NY Times article above really need to take a serious look at themselves and their attitudes, too, imo. They're blaming the girl for ruining the football players' reputations, for fuck's sake! Yeah, your local high school football team should be able to do whatever they damned well please, and how dare anyone want them to be arrested after they've raped someone?

“The rape was just an excuse, I think,” said the 27-year-old (volunteer coach Nate) Hubbard, who is No. 2 on the Big Red’s career rushing list.

“What else are you going to tell your parents when you come home drunk like that and after a night like that?” said Hubbard, who is one of the team’s 19 coaches. “She had to make up something. Now people are trying to blow up our football program because of it.”

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #100)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:55 AM

109. What. The. Fuck.

I hadnt read that last quote from the volunteer coach. Seriously. I can NOT believe someone has the audacity to say something like that.

Every single one of those little bastards should be neutered. I agree. Im not normally a violent person either but the entire time I watched those little fuckheads laughing their asses off, I had an image of that poor girl and the pain she must have felt. And the 'well, she must have wanted it because she got that drunk' part made me want to find the assholes and strangle em myself.

What the hell is wrong with our society when athletes, military, etc., can treat women like trash with impunity?! That poor girl is going to be scarred for life while these pricks are more concerned about a fucking game. Makes me sick.

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #100)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:01 PM

243. Nineteen coaches on the high school football team? NINETEEN???

That's more than most small colleges.

I hope that the families of those two girls manage to move away--far away--like California or Massachusetts.

Geez, what a sick place.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:49 AM

99. I've been over on Raw Story reading up on this

apparently the victims ex bf set her up for this.
BRB with a link.

*here it is*

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #99)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:39 PM

120. Revenge rape, and we're supposed

to clutch pearls that Anonymous is going after these bastards because it would be revenge, not justice. No. I will not be upset about what Anonymous is doing.

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Response to historylovr (Reply #120)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:43 PM

123. Nor will I.

I am in full support of Anonymous in this endeavor.

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Response to historylovr (Reply #120)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:57 PM

140. And there are at least three other victims?

Not alcohol, but date-rape drug used.

Multiple victims going back a year?

It gets worse and worse

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Response to historylovr (Reply #120)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:53 PM

200. I thought Anonymous was good before....now I think they are Heroes!!!

May all our daughters (and sons) have people like Anonymous watching their back should something like this happen to them.....

I am with you... This isnt revenge, its justice....

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #99)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:46 PM

125. Is that little fucker in JAIL?!

He sure as hell should be.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #125)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:51 PM

126. Indeed.

As should certain coaches, members of law enforcement and local govt for allegedly assisting in what appears to be a citywide coverup at the very least.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #99)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:56 PM

127. That is fascinating. There is a pedophile at the center of it.

That link also details the many mob connections in Steubenville, OH.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #127)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:04 PM

149. i took note of that, too. taught the boys well. nt

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Response to yardwork (Reply #127)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:47 PM

198. I grew up in the area. It was crazy corrupt.

Bodies would be found, and it would be laughable, if it weren't so frightening, the things that would be ruled accidental or natural deaths.

One in particular I remember was a man who's body was found in a ditch in a remote area. It was quickly ruled that he died jogging. He was wearing a suit and tie. It was the middle of winter. His car was nowhere near the area.

But I suppose it is possible he was running before he died.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #99)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:05 AM

255. stomach churning. just wow.

these guys are enabled sociopaths.Multi-generational enabled sociopaths

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:03 AM

102. This could be another Penn State

Seeing as how local govt., law enforcement, and school officials are allegedly complicit in this and other rapes.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:14 AM

105. Someone taught them to act this way.

Or didn't teach them the basics of human decency.

Parents? Where are you?

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Response to progressoid (Reply #105)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:58 PM

141. The mother of one of the participants is the prosecuting attorney.

Which helps explain why there have been so few arrests despite the large amount of evidence.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #141)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:00 PM

145. Seems to me in that situation you have a conflict of interest, to put it mildly

I'm not an expert on the law, but in those sorts of circumstances isn't it SOP to have some kind of a venue-change or DOJ oversight or something?

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #145)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:08 PM

157. She has since recused herself

And has requested the state to step in.
This was ONLY after Anonymous got involved though.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #145)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:37 PM

212. Apparently the rules are different in Steubenville, Ohio.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #141)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:51 PM

178. What?

No conflict of interest there.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:50 AM

107. What the hell kind of men are we raising???????????

I wish that I could say that this kind of behavior is a rare exception, but unfortunately it isn't.

Maybe old fashion values should not be considered a thing of the past. We should also teach our young the dangers of drinking to excess, which is something I never understood anyway. What's the joy in totally blacking out, then waking up to a spinning room and a massive headache? Aside from vomiting a weeks worth of meals. In college plenty of people acted this way, massively stupid in my opinion. I'm all for having a good time, but I never drank to the point of passing out.

These guys are creeps, at the very least, I hope that their parents are letting them have it.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #107)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:57 AM

112. this girl was drugged then dragged around party to party to be raped.

and i agree. we might ought to focus on what we are teaching our boys and why they feel it is just boys being stupid.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #112)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:09 PM

117. Oh boy, the story is even worse.

Disgusting pigs!! I hope that the perpetrators are sent to jail as adults. Age should not be an excuse when a young girl is intentionally drugged and gang raped. Look at the incident in India, those animals were charged with murder and people are demanding the death penalty for them.

My point about drinking is that as a female we always have to be vigilant. Even now as an adult woman, if I go out I keep an eye on my drink and I'm careful to not drink to the point of stupor. To do so places one in a vulnerable position. I remember an incident in NYC a few years ago. After a night of partying, two girls discovered that their car had been towed away by the police. They went to retrieve it, but the cops would not release it because they were both too drunk to drive. One of the girls wondered off and was picked up by some guy and his girlfriend. The guy turned out to be a pimp and the girl his hooker. He took her to NJ, raped and killed her. Then threw her body inside a suitcase. He and his girlfriend are currently spending many years in jail. The moral of the story is that our mom's were right and one should always be careful because there are too many creeps out in the world.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:03 PM

128. It won't load for me.

Can't watch/listen when I click on it.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:05 PM

129. Is there any update on what is happening to these young sociopaths?

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:41 PM

136. I'm still trying to figure out what happened.

The video is of the rapists? Was it made at the time of the rape?

Is the rape victim dead?

Can someone learn to write so we can figure out what is going on?

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Response to The Stranger (Reply #136)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:06 PM

142. Link to some of the documents here:

It's not easy to explain something this completely horrible. I'll try to summarize what little I've figured out. A sixteen year old girl broke up with her boyfriend, a football player for the high school in Steubenville, Ohio. According to his own tweets, he vowed revenge. He got one of his friends, another football player, to lure the girl to a friend's house where she was given a date rape drug. When she was unconscious she was driven around town to various houses where she was repeatedly gang raped. This was all documented with cell phones by the rapists, who tweeted foul comments about the victim during the attack and for months afterwards. Photos of the victim being raped were hosted on the website of an adult booster of the high school football team, along with photos of other underage rape victims.

The mother of one of the rapists is the prosecuting attorney. She found "no evidence" of a crime and advised the girl's parents to drop charges. Eventually two people - not her son - were arrested. Charges have been dropped against one. Charges are pending against the other. The town's long-time sheriff can't find any evidence. The football coaches said that the girl made up the story of being raped to cover up for being drunk and being a slut.

The group of football players who drugged, kidnapped, and raped the sixteen year old girl are known as rapists by their fellow high school students. The town loves their football team. Players can do no wrong.

The town has a lot of mafia connections and is a center for illegal gambling.

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

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Response to yardwork (Reply #142)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:21 PM

160. That's unbelievable. The last sentence makes it sound like a bad movie script.

If the prosecuting attorney will not recuse herself, someone should have a State or federal prosecutor investigate the charges and issue indictments.

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Response to The Stranger (Reply #160)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:24 PM

163. she has. after it became pubic. but, i am wondering what evidence is lost and who has been

let go, when they should not be. and that ship sailed.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #163)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:58 PM

172. Was her son the sick f*ck who stars in this video Anonymous posted?

He may not have raped this girl but his words and what came from his mouth as he mocked and laughed about a raped dead girl in the other room deserves a punishment as serious as the rapists in my opinion. I also think that kid and every other there who didnt help her, the coaches and parents, should be tarred and feathered. They shouldnt be allowed to wear Ohio State (or any other University for that matter) ever on their shirts but rather big R's for Rapists and Rape-enablers. Wonder how folks at Ohio State would like to comment on that young man laughing about a dead raped girl with their name front and center? Is he applying to school their? Do they really want a little rapist supporting soulless shit like him attending their campus? Can they risk the publicity? The liability?

Sick....beyond sick...

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #172)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:04 PM

182. i do not know what kid goes to what crime but watching last night, thinking of my 2 sons

i cannot imagine what i would do to the boys if i saw them in something like this. i have thought about it. and i really do not know what i would do. adn when i say that, i am not talking covering for them. i wonder if i would not write them off and tell them they are on their own, or what. the disappointment, humiliation, disgust would be so great.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #182)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:54 PM

218. Sea, I know that neither of my sons would do such a thing, ever. I doubt yours would either.

There is no way that my sons could do such a thing. They might do other things - I'm not saying that people don't make mistakes - but this is not a "mistake." It takes a special kind of person to do something like this over hours, record it on your phone, tweet about it, upload it to FB, talk about it for months, make follow-up videos mocking the victim.

Just doesn't compute.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #218)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:01 PM

221. ya. i am not concerned the boys would.

god, it is not like they do not get this shit and are aware and informed and opposed.

but, a lot of kids did not speak up and they saw and they knew. and not all the kids could be psycho. some were caught up in the moment and lacked....

but, i am just thinking as a parent, a mom, and loving my boys so, that would not be an easy one to "get over". it would be one that would totally change how i see the person.

and so many kids... parents are now aware their kids watched and did nothing or were involved or worse.... perpetrated.

how do these parents look their boys in the eyes.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #172)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:45 PM

188. Micheal Nordiano is the "star" of the video. The prosecutor's son is Charles Keenan, also implicated

as a participant in the rape in other videos that the prosecutor has (had and erased? not sure).

The Attorney General for that county is Jane Hanlin and Charles Keenan is her son, and her house is the location for one of the rape/crime scenes. She is also the one who bullied the victim and her family to drop charges.

The young man on the video, Micheal Nordiano is an adult - 18 years of age - and a current student at Ohio State. In the video its pretty obvious he is also one of the rapists.

Pretty sick bragging/confession.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #188)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:44 PM

197. Wonder how Ohio State is feeling about this student Michael Nordiano right now?

Just knowing someone like that attends the school is enough for many to not want their daughters (or sons) to be at Ohio State.

Meanwhile, after watching that video and still feeling sick and repulsed, I cannot believe that Michael Nordiano is walking about without any charges and that the house of the prosecutor is one of the crime scenes.

Even more to add in this horrific story, is Mr. Cody Saltzman, ex-boyfriend of the victim who not only tweeted and posted on instagram pix of his ex's night of assault, but what looks to me very much like the person who masterminded this event to take place.....and he remains free and not charged....nice guy.

I hope this poor girl has good support around her and that she eventually gets justice by having all these perps exposed and punished. The more I learn about this case, the angrier I get and am seriously hoping for some big justice to come sweeping through this cesspool of America called Steubenville.....ugh....

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #163)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:25 PM

175. From my understanding, it was the video(s) itself that was labeled "lost" by the sheriff

"am wondering what evidence is lost..."

From my understanding, it was the video(s) itself that was labeled "lost" by the sheriff; and that's when Anon got involved, found the video(s), and published it to the web, reopening the case, getting the prosecutor to recuse herself, and another prosecutor to look at additional charges.

It seems at this point that had Anon *not* gotten involved, we would have never heard this story, and Steubenville would go on placidly as if nothing had ever happened.

Good Old Boys Network has been hacked.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #175)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:07 PM

184. another prosecutor to look at additional charges.

this is what i was curious about cause it appears a lot of kids got away with stuff. good to hear. thank you.

and isnt it totally mind boggling that it would have ALL been hushed up not for anon. and i do not necessarily even like this group. sometimes it works. sometimes it doesnt.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #175)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:32 PM

187. Once again it took the public to get law enforcement to do their jobs

Just as it did in the Trayvon Martin case.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #175)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:59 PM

220. Apparently there was actual video of the rapes. That is what is "lost."

This video at the link in the OP was made after the rapes. It's bad enough, but apparently there was video of the rapes themselves. That is what is "lost."

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Response to The Stranger (Reply #160)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:04 PM

223. It reads like something out of a John Grisham novel.

Jesus.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:53 PM

138. extremely disturbing

there is an absence of humanity there

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:38 PM

143. I couldn't watch the whole thing.

I'm literally going to go take shower now. This should be up there in lights JUST as the school shootings are. After all this isn't just one socio/psycho-path, this is like 12 of them. These guys should be in jail for aiding and abetting if nothing else.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 03:19 PM

154. God what a horrible story.

I hope every one of those sick little f*s and all of their adult enablers get what's coming to them.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:07 PM

183. You're right. Not going to put that image of that person into my brain. He's banned.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:31 PM

186. RESPONSE FROM OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION

I emailed OSU's (earned my Masters there) alumni association earlier today and here's their response:

"We have been receiving calls, emails and faxes from our alumni regarding a current student who may or may not have been involved in the rape of an underage minor. We have forwarded the information we have received on the student to the Admission's Office, the Dean of Student Affairs and the Vice President of Student Life. Any further action or public response will come from one of those offices.
As an alumni association, we are not directly involved in current student affairs and hope this will be considered in determining whether to continue contributions to the Ohio State University Alumni Association. We are here for our graduates and take pride in their accomplishments."

...

Working on my reply. So far I have this:
"I understand your position, but you are still a face of OSU. I also know not all your functions are for graduates only and you are involved in current student activities (as a former student, I have seen the posters and announcements of your involvement). As long as this student is enrolled at OSU, I will not be contributing. Please remove me from all mailing lists until such a time appropriate action has been taken."

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Response to Tempest (Reply #186)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:53 PM

190. from the bottom of my heart, women everywhere, mothers raising sons..... thank you. your voice

is part of the whole that was heard.

THAT is something to be fuckin proud about

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #190)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:04 PM

191. I have five sisters

I learned at a young age girls and women are to be respected and treated as equals as any man would be.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #191)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:02 PM

203. thati s what i have in my life.

that is my norm.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #186)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:54 PM

227. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:50 PM

189. Sorry, this isn't from a video game.

 

This is sick twisted shit, emanating from the selfish, greedy, fuck 'em all mentality attitude displayed by many of our political and business leaders. I guess SOME things trickle down...

The ONE thing that religion got right, even though they don't practice it, was the "Golden Rule".

Peace out

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:33 PM

192. I think the FBI should come in an investigate

something seems incredibly wrong at that town

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Response to lovuian (Reply #192)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:36 PM

194. Prosecutor in town committed obstruction of justice

She attempted to stop the girl and her parents from filing charges.

Her son goes to the school and I believe is on the football team.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #194)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:47 PM

199. Worse - her home was one of the crime scenes where the rape occurred!!!!

Wrapping my disgusted brain around this twisted story that is revealing a dark underbelly of a town that seems corrupt and morally bankrupt at every level.....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #199)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:56 PM

201. I'm still reading up on the details of the case

But that is warped.

She's going down along with all the boys involved.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #201)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:00 PM

202. Let us hope that is the case....

I just cant comprehend how an Officer of the court with a sworn duty to uphold the law could do this....

Guess the bond of a mother to a son, even if he is a sociopath rapist, is stronger than anything else....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #202)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:12 PM

205. Clearly she has the same sociopathic tendencies.

She showed no sympathy towards the victim. All she thought about was her son, his friends and the football program.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #194)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:16 PM

206. She needs to be disbarred immediately

 

Then she needs to face criminal charges.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:33 PM

193. This is getting all kinds of publicity

I'm going to different sources for the story and the views are all in the hundreds of thousands.

Expect charges to be filed and the prosecutor fired and charged herself with obstruction of justice.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #193)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:04 PM

204. .



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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:25 PM

208. they just covered this story on CNN

on Anderson Cooper 360. Ashley Banfield is sitting in.

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #208)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:44 PM

214. Excellent

I expect Solidad O'Brien will have something to say about it as well on her show.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:32 PM

209. Time to try treat the participants and those that

covered this up as outcasts.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:36 PM

211. I hope they charge them with attempted murder as well.

She was vomiting and passed out on more than one occasion. She could have easily died from whatever drug they gave her. She was clearly sick from the drugs. But, they kept dragging her around and raping her even when she showed signs that she could be dead, in fact it sounds like they fantasized about her being dead.

I also hope they lock up the mother that shielded her "little angel" obstruction of justice and just being an all around horrible person.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:47 PM

216. WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:Make all involved in the rape of the Steubenville scandal...

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-all-involved-rape-steubenville-scandal-be-pushed-out-juvenile-court-so-there-can-be-real/MJ4rrCXM


WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Make all involved in the rape of the Steubenville scandal be pushed out of Juvenile court so there can be real justice.
there needs to be justice for the victims in the Steubenville, Ohio rape scandal. i'm requesting that this case be pushed up to the higher courts so that there is some real justice, also to allow for a jury trial for all involved. This is a serious offense and this needs to be an example for everyone that this type of behavior should not, and will not be Tolerated in our society. i don't believe that the police or news in the area of the alleged crimes that are covering the story are truly trying to prosecute the accused, but rather cover up a scandal that has dramatically effected the lives of many individuals.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #216)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:06 PM

228. Signed.

Thank you.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #216)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:13 PM

233. Unless this gets tried as a Federal civil rights violation

(which doesn't seem outside of the realm of possiblity to me) or the attack occured on federal land, there is nothing the Feds can do about it.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #233)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 01:03 AM

254. i like some clever prosecutor to try for kidnapping

Victim lives in WV, perps in OH. If they transported her across state lines during the commission this it's that not a Federal Crime? (In addition to rape charges of course). Might be enough to get the Feds in there.

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Response to bench scientist (Reply #254)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:34 PM

265. Maybe it could be turned into a Federal kidnapping case

and then there is the Mann Act - which makes is illegal to take women across state lines "for the purpose of prostitution or illegal sexual acts".

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #265)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:36 AM

266. yes.

That might work I hope they charge these bastards with everything that might convict them, and send them away for the rest of their lives. Really I think attempted murder or depraved in difference should be on the table too.( I'm not a lawyer though just spit balling here, and I'm sure it varies by state) The one sadist, Michael Nodianos, thought the poor girl was dead, says so on the tape and couldn't care less. Let him never see the light of day then.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #216)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:41 PM

238. Done

Wouldn't the high school qualify in the regard? That is federal land. The HS football team is what binds them to each other.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:09 PM

230. High on LSD

Mr Sillypants there...wow funny guy.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:11 PM

232. My neice was drugged by some athletes at a party.

It was 2 years ago and she was 15 years old. One of her guy friends (an ex-boyfriend) warned her not to drink if she was going to this person's party - never said why. So it was clearly planned. She has a vague memory of resisting at least one guy - trying to get up as he pushed her back down...over and over. She's not sure what happened that night. She had scratches and bruises all over. The guy who warned her? He left her there with his buddies because she was "screaming too loud....he figured the cops would be called".

She told no one until she developed a drinking problem trying to deal with it. Then a nervous breakdown when the flashbacks came on full-force. They filed a police report but it was months later. No physical evidence, just my neice's word. The guys all got their stories straight and no one saw or heard anything. The guy who warned her and left her there? Nope...he saw nothing. She ended up switching schools because she couldn't take seeing the guys in the hallways...smirking. Not a thing was done to any of them.

She is healthy today. Thankfully.

This story makes my entire body hurt for this girl. And my neice. I'm so angry.

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Response to So_Blue (Reply #232)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:25 PM

235. sad sad story. have a drug that wipes out memory. nt

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Response to So_Blue (Reply #232)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:15 PM

245. he was never her friend

when i read of cases like this i'm thinking even if you weren't friends with someone , even if you didn't like the person there is no way you can allow what happened. there is osmething seriously wrong with these guys to do this.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #245)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:33 PM

246. No...never her friend.

I can't help but wonder...he warned her but not really. There was a glimmer of decency that was quickly gone. Why?

You are right..something is seriously wrong with these guys. Sociopaths. To take the time to plan it out like they do. Where does that come from? And why are so many OK being silent knowing what they know?

My oldest son will turn 13 on Saturday. We are hopefully raising him (and my other 2 boys) to be the kind of person who would not stand by and allow this to happen to someone.

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Response to So_Blue (Reply #246)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:40 PM

247. you have to talk about this shit. media, society, the net reinforces all this behavior.

our young are in a tough place. you need to make them aware, they wont believe it, until they are in a situation. give them the information and ways have handling the situation so they have time to process well before they have to make choices.

i discussed this with my two boys. with all we discuss in our house, they still had a tough time processing. 17 and 15. being informed is the best tool they will have.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #247)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:48 PM

250. That's my approach as well...

We discuss a lot. More than they probably want sometimes but I don't care.

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Response to So_Blue (Reply #250)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:06 AM

251. More than they probably want sometimes but I don't care.

so true.



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Response to So_Blue (Reply #246)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:47 PM

249. it kind of reminds me of those people who "commit sin" and then ask God for forgiveness

i'm not talking about everyone.

but there are certain ones that do it as a way to get away with what they did. you can see many republicans for examples.

they probably do it in a way to excuse themselves and give themselves a pass. "well i did warn her". and even that wasn't a real warning since he didn't tell her the truth.

this way if she says anything to him he can say "i warned you , not my fault if you didn't listen".

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Response to So_Blue (Reply #246)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 10:32 AM

267. This is the broken stair analogy.

People know there's a step broken, but instead of actually fixing it, they keep stepping over it, and may or may not tell newcomers that the step is broken. Often they just hint, because if they spell out that that specific step is broken, that means they'll feel obligated to do something. It happens in families ("Uncle Joe gets a bit handsy when he's drunk, but don't worry, his brother'll make sure he doesn't do anything,") in workplaces ("You need to be careful about your stuff, because the boss has a tendency to mistake it for hers,") and in friends' circles ("Yeah, we know he says some inappropriate things, but really, he's the only one that has an apartment big enough for us to play DnD.")

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Response to KitSileya (Reply #267)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 04:39 PM

270. this is very good. and very true. we had a perfect example at the christmas table this year.

thankfully almost all of us were not willing to not call it what it was.

but, yes. excellent.

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Response to So_Blue (Reply #232)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:30 PM

268. Oh Jesus!

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:21 PM

234. Sounds like the 1988 film, "The Accused" where Jodie Foster's character is gang rape.

In the film, Kelly McGillis, (who is in fact a real life rape survivor), prosecutes the by-standers that encouraged and cheered the attack. Can't this be done?

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:52 PM

240. Incredible.

I couldn't finish that video -- that human-shaped monster is nauseating. It makes me want to permanently bar that school from ever having an athletics program again. It makes me want to find a rope and a tree.

Maybe the rapists could be hanged from the high school goal posts, so every time they play, the town can see what they look like to the rest of us. Visiting teams can see what their opponents are really made of -- inside and out.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:57 PM

241. "The Steubenville Files"

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:45 AM

253. interesting tweet suggesting the kid at ohio university has been suspended.

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Response to RetroGamer1971 (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:44 PM

269. Punks

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