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Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:54 PM

Venezuela murder rate soars

Source: Telegraph

Venezuela, the most violent country in South America, recorded a new high of 21,692 murders this year along with a surge in kidnappings, prison riots and random shootings.

The number of victims was up by 12 per cent from last year when there were 19,336 deaths, the Venezuelan Violence Observatory said in its annual report.
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The rate is well above neighbouring Columbia, and Mexico which has been engaged in a bloody drug war, and is closing in on Honduras, the country with the highest murder rate.

There are more murders in Venezuela than in the United States and the 27 countries of the European Union combined. In Caracas the murder rate is more than 200 per 100,000 inhabitants.



Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/9769897/Venezuela-murder-rate-soars.html

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Reply Venezuela murder rate soars (Original post)
Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 OP
msongs Dec 2012 #1
Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 #2
Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #3
Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 #4
Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #5
Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 #6
Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #7
Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 #8
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #9
bitchkitty Dec 2012 #15
Leontius Dec 2012 #22
bitchkitty Dec 2012 #24
Leontius Dec 2012 #34
bitchkitty Dec 2012 #36
Leontius Dec 2012 #38
bitchkitty Dec 2012 #42
MicaelS Dec 2012 #10
Archae Dec 2012 #11
Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #17
joshcryer Dec 2012 #18
Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #23
joshcryer Dec 2012 #25
Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #26
joshcryer Dec 2012 #27
Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #28
joshcryer Dec 2012 #29
Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #31
joshcryer Dec 2012 #32
bitchkitty Dec 2012 #37
joshcryer Dec 2012 #39
bitchkitty Dec 2012 #41
joshcryer Dec 2012 #43
Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 #45
Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 #35
kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #12
NickB79 Dec 2012 #13
joshcryer Dec 2012 #20
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #21
Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #30
NickB79 Dec 2012 #14
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #16
joshcryer Dec 2012 #19
reteachinwi Dec 2012 #33
KareBear Dec 2012 #40
joshcryer Dec 2012 #44

Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:58 PM

1. guess I will cancel my spring vacation in Caracas and go to chicago instead nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:01 PM

2. mmmm, maybe not too much better n/t

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:10 PM

3. Still feeling butthurt because Chavez won.

 

I think they have a cream for that.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:14 PM

4. no, I knew he would win and predicted it

I am sure you will be butthurt once he croaks though.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:18 PM

5. Maybe, but he is still living now.

 

And still President of Venezuela.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:21 PM

6. are you sure? n/t

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:26 PM

7. Having dinner with him later at the Commie Headquarters.

 

Would you like me to give him your get well wishes?

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:32 PM

8. nope. the sooner the better n/t

s

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:47 PM

9. Your wish for Chavez' early death is really quite tacky.

A decent person would edit those remarks.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:17 PM

15. A decent person would. We all know what kind of person wrote that. n/t

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:29 PM

22. You mean like all those decent people over in the GHW Bush's illness thread.

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Response to Leontius (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:19 PM

24. Showing your colors.

I didn't say anything about wishing George Bush dead. Where the hell did you get that? How does that make it okay to dance on Chavez' perceived grave? Like I said, your knee jerk reaction is quite telling.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:36 PM

34. Yep my "knee jerk reaction" is to point out that the decency you call for

is lacking there. Your "knee jerk reaction" to YOU not being accused or even mentioned in regard to Bush is quite telling also, hit too close for comfort, maybe.

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Response to Leontius (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:41 AM

36. We're not talking about GHW Bush.

On other sites, a lot of right wing types are whining about the disrespect shown to George Bush too. But not in threads about Chavez. Why do you care so much about GHWB that you bring him up here, completely off topic? And since you replied to my post, it's pretty fucking obvious that my answer will be to that reply, Einstein.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:04 PM

38. Your post was about decency and how' we all knew what type of person'

would post about hoping some one would die soon. I you can't accept that the' type of person' cuts through the political spectrum that's your fucking problem. Your need to try to make it seem like only a right wing bias says a lot about your sense of balance.Just to make it clear for you I think Chavez is a fucking clown and Bush is an evil bastard but I don't wish death, painful or peaceful, on either. Do you have the "decency" to do the same?

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Response to Leontius (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:55 PM

42. I don't wish death on GWHB.

I just don't give a damn.

Comparing the two is ridiculous anyway. GHWB was a fucking traitor to his country and a terrorist to other countries. Chavez is so far above him in morals and character that it's stupid to even bring up GHWB in a thread about Chavez. Are you stupid? Or just in love with the Bushes?

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 05:35 PM

10. Nah, because too many here subscribe to the Cult of Hugo.

Just proves that the "Cult of Personality" still exists in this day and age.

Chavez is a fucking saint, and can do no wrong.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:45 PM

11. Yeah, Saint Hugo's socialist paradise is like so many other South American countries.

Government cronies are so corrupt they stink on ice.

If you threw a rock into the country it would land near a dope smuggler.

Propaganda is rampant, telling everyone how wonderful life is.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:06 PM

17. LOL

 

You so crazy.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:15 PM

18. I was the one who thought Chavez would lose.

Bacchus4.0 gave me a reality check though.

I was in the bubble.

Anyway, isn't it amusing, this story would not have been posted by Chavez lovers. The crime rate in Venezuela is the one thing they simply don't want to talk about.

Imagine, someone posts a story about murders in New Orleans or Chicago, and someone else posts "Still feeling butthurt because Rahm won," or "Still feeling butthurt because Bobby Jindal won." That's how childish this statement is.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:57 PM

23. If all I ever posted was negativity about any of them your statement

 

might mean something. But I don't.

How come he uses the same biased website and never gives stories of all these murders?

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:23 PM

25. You've posted positively about Rahm or Bobby Jindal?

That's messed up.

OP just posts the stuff that isn't posted about Latin America because some people prefer to keep their heads in the sand. Latin America is not going to improve if we keep ignoring the big issues that the poor and impoverished face there. The leaders in those countries must be held accountable and people must be informed of their bad policies so that discussion can foster. Instead people try to shut it down by attacking the poster and throwing out puerile statements.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:30 PM

26. Yes, let's look at the reason for a lot of the problems in Latin America.

 

I'll give three examples

1. U
2. S
3. A

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:42 PM

27. Indeed.

The US isn't arming Venezuela's kids.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:47 PM

28. No. We arm our own.

 

Seems they would have a very good reason to arm themselves. US backed coups and dictators are seldom nice to liberals.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:55 PM

29. 200k Americans aren't dying a year from gun violence.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:57 PM

31. Neither are Venezuelans.

 

Like I said before, the same old OP is trotted out on queue and never any proof other than the biased website.

Does Venezuela has crime? Sure. So does our country.

Where are all the reports of armed nuts shooting up schools in Venezuela?

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:52 AM

32. An equlivent number of Venezuelans are dying every year.

Do the math. It's 21k Venezuelans in a country with 28 million people.

A lot of them are children.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:42 AM

37. How do you know the OP's reasoning? Do you work together?

Don't answer that.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:55 PM

39. That's not a reasoning. That's an established fact.

This would not have been posted by you or any other the chavista lovers on Lat. Am. or LBN.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #39)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:52 PM

41. YOU said:

OP just posts the stuff that isn't posted about Latin America because some people prefer to keep their heads in the sand. Latin America is not going to improve if we keep ignoring the big issues that the poor and impoverished face there.


Again, how do you know how the OP thinks? Close, are you?

LOL

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:56 PM

43. It is a fact that the OP did that.

I do not see anywhere where I indicate I know what the "OP thinks."

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:12 PM

45. would you have posted this?

You should be upset at the astronimical murder rate in Venezuela, not because the info was posted.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:11 PM

35. what biased website? and feel free to investigate the circumstances behind any of these 20,000

murders. That should keep you busy.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:23 PM

12. We are on track to overtake them within the next 5 years. nt

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:27 PM

13. Not unless there's a civil war or something

The US has roughly 11X the population of Venezuela; we'd need to see over 200,000 murders per year in the US to match their rate. Right now there are approximately 16,000 murders in the US every year.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:20 PM

20. US murder rate is consistently going down.

I am not sure where this comes from.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:27 PM

21. People generally convince themselves that crime's always skyrocketing everywhere

It's weird; show them the actual numbers and it usually doesn't change their mind, and as often as not reinforces their belief to the contrary.

I don't pretend to get it, but it's basically a near-universal thought process in the western world at least.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:29 PM

14. 21,000 murders out of 28 million people

Christ, that's equivalent to the US losing over 200,000 people per year.

It would be like an entire large city being wiped off the map year after year after year.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:28 PM

16. Seriously. Canada has 35 million people and we had 554 homicides in 2010. (nt)

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:16 PM

19. Yep, vive revolution!

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:48 PM

40. Venezuela bans private gun ownership in June 2012 and now this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014133612

Surely people should have handed in their weapons by now in this gun free utopia?
Yes I know that correlation does not imply causation, its just one of things things that make you go hmmmmm.

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Response to KareBear (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:58 PM

44. The main problem is that they arm chavistas.

With paramilitary groups, many tied to the gang culture. It doesn't help that the chavistas spend boatloads of money on their MIC.

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