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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:56 PM Dec 2012

At least 4 dead in apparent Colo. murder-suicide

Source: Associated Press

LONGMONT, Colo. (AP) — Four people were found dead Tuesday in Colorado after a woman called police to report a shooting and was apparently shot to death while she was on the phone.

Weld County sheriff's spokesman Tim Schwartz says dispatchers heard the woman who called 911 scream "No, no, no," and then they heard a gunshot. Schwartz says a man grabbed the phone and said he was going to kill himself, and dispatchers heard another shot.

The bodies were found in a home in a subdivision east of Longmont, which is about 35 miles north of Denver.

The dead included two men and two women, including one who appeared to be in her late teens or early 20s.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gZEPCbOIdxtbwmb_O3eG_ADxfRDA?docId=fde569d68483452098769b168a7d996e

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At least 4 dead in apparent Colo. murder-suicide (Original Post) IDemo Dec 2012 OP
it never ends... SemperEadem Dec 2012 #1
It will end when they stop handing out SSRI drugs like candy Th1onein Dec 2012 #4
Blame it on the mentally ill. Victimize the powerless. With no evidence whatsoever. ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #6
What are you talking about? James Holmes was being treated for mental illness. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #14
What? Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #15
I am in no way blaming the mentally ill. I don't know how you could have come to that conclusion. Th1onein Dec 2012 #29
It will end when we stop handing guns out like candy. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #8
Keep pushing your pet issue maxsolomon Dec 2012 #9
SSRI drugs are commonly prescribed to treat Aspergers. Th1onein Dec 2012 #30
I care about my countrymen. I care about those children. I care about my own child, and my Th1onein Dec 2012 #35
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS WERE INVOLVED? Tempest Dec 2012 #11
It was reported that the shooter was on a drug. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #16
MAJOR FAIL! Tempest Dec 2012 #21
Sorry, it's hard to keep all the mentally ill people straight. n/t Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #27
That report was based on a hoax muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #22
Thank you. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #26
You can't find the article because it doesn't exist. progressoid Dec 2012 #28
As I replied above, thanks. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #32
Look, I'm a pacifist. I don't think anyone should own guns. Th1onein Dec 2012 #36
LOL. "I also don't believe that guns are the problem" PSPS Dec 2012 #18
Relevant video Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #20
people have been killing each other pretty much from the beginning of time Kali Dec 2012 #23
What did they do? Choke to death on the pills? Aristus Dec 2012 #34
How silly. SSRI drugs cause violence. Guns are merely the tool to carry it out. Th1onein Dec 2012 #37
Oh, how silly. crim son Dec 2012 #38
I agree they are overprescribed but speaking as a depressed person who... Locut0s Dec 2012 #41
Another victory for the NRA and the Second Amendment! Well-regulated militia in action! Dems to Win Dec 2012 #2
Maybe Turbineguy Dec 2012 #3
No. Being able to see a shrink isn't going to stop impulse killings. maxsolomon Dec 2012 #10
A patently ignorant statement Tempest Dec 2012 #12
I'll see if I can find the article maxsolomon Dec 2012 #19
Somebody did some research Turbineguy Dec 2012 #13
Live By the Gun, Die By the Gun triplepoint Dec 2012 #5
Du rec. Nt xchrom Dec 2012 #7
B-b-but calling the police keeps you safe! lbrtbell Dec 2012 #17
You can of course point towards LanternWaste Dec 2012 #25
Really? Who said that here? Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #33
All that thin air in Colorado affects people with guns. Dangerous. kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #24
HAD ENOUGH AMERICA? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #31
I'm soooo sick of these tragedies. Beacool Dec 2012 #39
Respect for life in America is on the decline Superbot Dec 2012 #40

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
4. It will end when they stop handing out SSRI drugs like candy
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:02 PM
Dec 2012

Guns or no guns. I am not a gun owner; I don't believe in collecting them, etc. But, I also don't believe that guns are the problem. There is an increase in these types of incidents because of the medications, specifically SSRI drugs, that we are giving to people. Five percent have adverse, violent reactions to them. It takes only one of them with a gun to wreak havoc. That's what we're seeing right now. And the nightly news, which runs ads for pharmas almost moment to moment, is not going to report it.

I'm screaming "Fire" in a crowded theatre. I'm sorry, but the building is burning down around us.

ThatPoetGuy

(1,747 posts)
6. Blame it on the mentally ill. Victimize the powerless. With no evidence whatsoever.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:13 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:13 PM - Edit history (1)

The mass killing at a Denver bar a few weeks ago was over money. Had nothing to do with mental illness.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/arrested-murders-botched-denver-bar-robbery/story?id=17507318

There IS one thing in common, in every mass shooting. And that's the easy access to powerful firearms.

There are mentally ill DUers who are being made to feel unwelcome, because some people would rather blame the innocent than address the truth.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
14. What are you talking about? James Holmes was being treated for mental illness.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:50 PM
Dec 2012

Are you just making stuff up?

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
15. What?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:53 PM
Dec 2012
James Holmes had no record of mental illness.

He may have had no record of it, but it seems pretty clear he had it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/james-holmes-mental-health-colorado_n_1820450.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/dysphoric-mania-james-holmes-mixed-mania-bipolar-disorder_n_1836744.html
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/09/13203273-aurora-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-mentally-ill-attorneys-say?lite

Look, I feel sorry for anyone who's sick. And it sucks that we live in a country where wealth determines your health care.

But we cannot refuse to look the problem in the truth here: Almost universally, when one of these mass shootings happens we find out that there were clear underlying mental issues at play. And often, the shooter was taking drugs for mental illness.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
29. I am in no way blaming the mentally ill. I don't know how you could have come to that conclusion.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:55 PM
Dec 2012

I am blaming the SSRI compounds.

maxsolomon

(32,918 posts)
9. Keep pushing your pet issue
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:26 PM
Dec 2012

Was this shooter on SSRIs? Do you know? Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?

Quick access to guns is the common factor to all impulse mass killings. Not SSRIs.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
30. SSRI drugs are commonly prescribed to treat Aspergers.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:57 PM
Dec 2012

It's a pretty good bet that this kid was on them. He reportedly suffered from Aspergers.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
35. I care about my countrymen. I care about those children. I care about my own child, and my
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:08 PM
Dec 2012

grandchild. And my fellow man, in general. I speak out because I see a need to.

These drugs are known to cause violence, and especially in young people. And, yet, we are medicating our youth in record numbers. It is no surprise to me that we are also now seeing this type of violence in record numbers.

The media won't report it because they make too much money off of the companies that manufacture and dispense these drugs. So, yeah, I'm saying it. And I will continue to say it until someone pays attention and does something about it.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
11. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS WERE INVOLVED?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:40 PM
Dec 2012

Even the tiniest bit of evidence. Anything.

Fucking gun nuts will say anything to keep from discussing the elephant in the room.


And for the record, I own guns and I'm in favor of gun restrictions. I had NO problem with registering them in my state as required by law.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
16. It was reported that the shooter was on a drug.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:54 PM
Dec 2012

FANTRAP or something like that. I cannot find the report now. The reporting on this case has been terrible. The facts change almost by the hour.

Here is another report.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/adam-lanza-is-recalled-as-a-rambunctious-kid-with-family-problems/2012/12/14/795ad0fe-4641-11e2-8e70-e1993528222d_story.html

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
26. Thank you.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:28 PM
Dec 2012

Like I said, the reporting on this case has been terrible. Facts come and go almost hourly.

There is still testimony by neighbors that Lanza was on some kind of medication. It is not clear what yet.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
32. As I replied above, thanks.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:59 PM
Dec 2012

The misinformation presented in the reporting on this case is abysmal.

It now appears that Lanza was on some kind of medication but it is not know what it was at this time.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
36. Look, I'm a pacifist. I don't think anyone should own guns.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:09 PM
Dec 2012

I am not a gun nut. Hell, I don't even think we should have a military.

PSPS

(13,484 posts)
18. LOL. "I also don't believe that guns are the problem"
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:55 PM
Dec 2012

Yes, all these gun killings have nothing to do with guns at all.

Kali

(54,990 posts)
23. people have been killing each other pretty much from the beginning of time
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:24 PM
Dec 2012

nothing changes, except the methods

Aristus

(65,985 posts)
34. What did they do? Choke to death on the pills?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:08 PM
Dec 2012

I read the article. It clearly stated 'gun shots'.

People die from gun shot wounds; lets ban oral medications. Right...

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
37. How silly. SSRI drugs cause violence. Guns are merely the tool to carry it out.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:13 PM
Dec 2012

I've said it before, I'll say it again: I am not a "gun nut." I am a pacifist.

crim son

(27,462 posts)
38. Oh, how silly.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:56 PM
Dec 2012

I've been on SSRIs for twenty years. The only person I've ever wanted to kill was myself and that was when I wasn't taking my meds. On the other hand, if I did decide I'd like to try murder, I'd choose a gun as my weapon. It's easy and fairly impersonal, unlike a knife or a tire iron.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
41. I agree they are overprescribed but speaking as a depressed person who...
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:55 AM
Dec 2012

has been on one SSRIs or another over the years I can tell you that they have helped me a lot and not once have I had a violent thought towards anyone in all that time!

Turbineguy

(37,127 posts)
3. Maybe
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:02 PM
Dec 2012

part of the problem is that it's less effort and less costly to buy a gun than it is to get treatment.

maxsolomon

(32,918 posts)
10. No. Being able to see a shrink isn't going to stop impulse killings.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:31 PM
Dec 2012

I just read an article on gun suicide survivors. They asked them how long between deciding to kill yourself and pulling the trigger?

25% said 5 minutes.
another 25% said <20 minutes.
another 25% said <1 hour.

that's suicide, but it demonstrates that often, these are impulses, blinding anger, lashing out. sure, it would be peachy if rage killers had treatment so they never get to that point, but that's not realistic. more realistic is that they don't have easy, quick access to high-powered firearms.

then maybe some stab 4 people to death, but it is unlikely that the body count would be as high as with guns.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
12. A patently ignorant statement
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:41 PM
Dec 2012

Professional help prevented my brother from committing suicide.

And where did you get the figures you posted?

maxsolomon

(32,918 posts)
19. I'll see if I can find the article
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:00 PM
Dec 2012

I've been reading a lot on this topic lately, and I don't bookmark everything for DU discussions where I might get called patently ignorant. I'm not saying that psychiatry doesn't help people.

I'm concentrating on the impulse factor in these rage killings. A person may seek help for mental issues (as I have) and learn how to deal with their brain, but a lot don't, financial hindrances or not. Lanza was likely being treated for a number of issues - there are reports he couldn't feel pain, had a flat affect. He wasn't just depressed, he was genetically damaged - and not Schizophrenic like the Giffords shooter or the Aurora shooter.

We'll never know if Lanza planned this for a long time, or shot his Mom in a rage, then decided to go out in a blaze of infamy.

Turbineguy

(37,127 posts)
13. Somebody did some research
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:41 PM
Dec 2012

on people who had jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. It's actually quite a significant number. Interestingly enough, all of them said that as soon as they let go the rail they realized they could solve their problems. Only one of the survivors subsequently committed suicide. Most went on to have a better life.

I agree with you. Not having access to a weapon would help the most.

 

triplepoint

(431 posts)
5. Live By the Gun, Die By the Gun
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:04 PM
Dec 2012

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lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
17. B-b-but calling the police keeps you safe!
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:54 PM
Dec 2012

I mean, cops can always get to the scene before a homicidal maniac kills you. That's what I keep hearing here, anyway.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
25. You can of course point towards
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:27 PM
Dec 2012

You can of course point towards a post which states "cops can always get to the scene before a homicidal maniac kills you..."

Or is attributing fictional paraphrases simply another mechanism we use when we have little else to rely on?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
33. Really? Who said that here?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:02 PM
Dec 2012
I mean, cops can always get to the scene before a homicidal maniac kills you. That's what I keep hearing here, anyway.



Links please.

That way no one will be able to accuse you of making up stupid crap.
 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
24. All that thin air in Colorado affects people with guns. Dangerous.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:24 PM
Dec 2012

And in other places just air affects people with guns.

Beacool

(30,243 posts)
39. I'm soooo sick of these tragedies.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:38 AM
Dec 2012

None of them had to happen if we lived in a society that did not glorify guns.

Rest in peace in the afterlife. Lord knows there is no peace in this world.



 

Superbot

(59 posts)
40. Respect for life in America is on the decline
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:27 AM
Dec 2012

Tragedies like these will always happens when so many people in a society have little respect for life.

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