At least 4 dead in apparent Colo. murder-suicide
Source: Associated Press
LONGMONT, Colo. (AP) Four people were found dead Tuesday in Colorado after a woman called police to report a shooting and was apparently shot to death while she was on the phone.
Weld County sheriff's spokesman Tim Schwartz says dispatchers heard the woman who called 911 scream "No, no, no," and then they heard a gunshot. Schwartz says a man grabbed the phone and said he was going to kill himself, and dispatchers heard another shot.
The bodies were found in a home in a subdivision east of Longmont, which is about 35 miles north of Denver.
The dead included two men and two women, including one who appeared to be in her late teens or early 20s.
Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gZEPCbOIdxtbwmb_O3eG_ADxfRDA?docId=fde569d68483452098769b168a7d996e
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Guns or no guns. I am not a gun owner; I don't believe in collecting them, etc. But, I also don't believe that guns are the problem. There is an increase in these types of incidents because of the medications, specifically SSRI drugs, that we are giving to people. Five percent have adverse, violent reactions to them. It takes only one of them with a gun to wreak havoc. That's what we're seeing right now. And the nightly news, which runs ads for pharmas almost moment to moment, is not going to report it.
I'm screaming "Fire" in a crowded theatre. I'm sorry, but the building is burning down around us.
ThatPoetGuy
(1,747 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:13 PM - Edit history (1)
The mass killing at a Denver bar a few weeks ago was over money. Had nothing to do with mental illness.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/arrested-murders-botched-denver-bar-robbery/story?id=17507318
There IS one thing in common, in every mass shooting. And that's the easy access to powerful firearms.
There are mentally ill DUers who are being made to feel unwelcome, because some people would rather blame the innocent than address the truth.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Are you just making stuff up?
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)He may have had no record of it, but it seems pretty clear he had it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/james-holmes-mental-health-colorado_n_1820450.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/dysphoric-mania-james-holmes-mixed-mania-bipolar-disorder_n_1836744.html
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/09/13203273-aurora-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-mentally-ill-attorneys-say?lite
Look, I feel sorry for anyone who's sick. And it sucks that we live in a country where wealth determines your health care.
But we cannot refuse to look the problem in the truth here: Almost universally, when one of these mass shootings happens we find out that there were clear underlying mental issues at play. And often, the shooter was taking drugs for mental illness.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)I am blaming the SSRI compounds.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)maxsolomon
(32,918 posts)Was this shooter on SSRIs? Do you know? Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?
Quick access to guns is the common factor to all impulse mass killings. Not SSRIs.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)It's a pretty good bet that this kid was on them. He reportedly suffered from Aspergers.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)grandchild. And my fellow man, in general. I speak out because I see a need to.
These drugs are known to cause violence, and especially in young people. And, yet, we are medicating our youth in record numbers. It is no surprise to me that we are also now seeing this type of violence in record numbers.
The media won't report it because they make too much money off of the companies that manufacture and dispense these drugs. So, yeah, I'm saying it. And I will continue to say it until someone pays attention and does something about it.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)Even the tiniest bit of evidence. Anything.
Fucking gun nuts will say anything to keep from discussing the elephant in the room.
And for the record, I own guns and I'm in favor of gun restrictions. I had NO problem with registering them in my state as required by law.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)FANTRAP or something like that. I cannot find the report now. The reporting on this case has been terrible. The facts change almost by the hour.
Here is another report.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/adam-lanza-is-recalled-as-a-rambunctious-kid-with-family-problems/2012/12/14/795ad0fe-4641-11e2-8e70-e1993528222d_story.html
Tempest
(14,591 posts)Your post is about Connecticut, this story is out of Colorado.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,083 posts)See http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2012566
and http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2015330
That's why you can't find the report - it's been withdrawn. There is no proper report that Lanza was on any drugs.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Like I said, the reporting on this case has been terrible. Facts come and go almost hourly.
There is still testimony by neighbors that Lanza was on some kind of medication. It is not clear what yet.
progressoid
(49,758 posts)The Fanapt story was debunked.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2012406
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)The misinformation presented in the reporting on this case is abysmal.
It now appears that Lanza was on some kind of medication but it is not know what it was at this time.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)I am not a gun nut. Hell, I don't even think we should have a military.
PSPS
(13,484 posts)Yes, all these gun killings have nothing to do with guns at all.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Kali
(54,990 posts)nothing changes, except the methods
Aristus
(65,985 posts)I read the article. It clearly stated 'gun shots'.
People die from gun shot wounds; lets ban oral medications. Right...
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)I've said it before, I'll say it again: I am not a "gun nut." I am a pacifist.
crim son
(27,462 posts)I've been on SSRIs for twenty years. The only person I've ever wanted to kill was myself and that was when I wasn't taking my meds. On the other hand, if I did decide I'd like to try murder, I'd choose a gun as my weapon. It's easy and fairly impersonal, unlike a knife or a tire iron.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)has been on one SSRIs or another over the years I can tell you that they have helped me a lot and not once have I had a violent thought towards anyone in all that time!
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Turbineguy
(37,127 posts)part of the problem is that it's less effort and less costly to buy a gun than it is to get treatment.
maxsolomon
(32,918 posts)I just read an article on gun suicide survivors. They asked them how long between deciding to kill yourself and pulling the trigger?
25% said 5 minutes.
another 25% said <20 minutes.
another 25% said <1 hour.
that's suicide, but it demonstrates that often, these are impulses, blinding anger, lashing out. sure, it would be peachy if rage killers had treatment so they never get to that point, but that's not realistic. more realistic is that they don't have easy, quick access to high-powered firearms.
then maybe some stab 4 people to death, but it is unlikely that the body count would be as high as with guns.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)Professional help prevented my brother from committing suicide.
And where did you get the figures you posted?
maxsolomon
(32,918 posts)I've been reading a lot on this topic lately, and I don't bookmark everything for DU discussions where I might get called patently ignorant. I'm not saying that psychiatry doesn't help people.
I'm concentrating on the impulse factor in these rage killings. A person may seek help for mental issues (as I have) and learn how to deal with their brain, but a lot don't, financial hindrances or not. Lanza was likely being treated for a number of issues - there are reports he couldn't feel pain, had a flat affect. He wasn't just depressed, he was genetically damaged - and not Schizophrenic like the Giffords shooter or the Aurora shooter.
We'll never know if Lanza planned this for a long time, or shot his Mom in a rage, then decided to go out in a blaze of infamy.
Turbineguy
(37,127 posts)on people who had jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. It's actually quite a significant number. Interestingly enough, all of them said that as soon as they let go the rail they realized they could solve their problems. Only one of the survivors subsequently committed suicide. Most went on to have a better life.
I agree with you. Not having access to a weapon would help the most.
triplepoint
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xchrom
(108,903 posts)lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)I mean, cops can always get to the scene before a homicidal maniac kills you. That's what I keep hearing here, anyway.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You can of course point towards a post which states "cops can always get to the scene before a homicidal maniac kills you..."
Or is attributing fictional paraphrases simply another mechanism we use when we have little else to rely on?
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Links please.
That way no one will be able to accuse you of making up stupid crap.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)And in other places just air affects people with guns.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Sad.
Beacool
(30,243 posts)None of them had to happen if we lived in a society that did not glorify guns.
Rest in peace in the afterlife. Lord knows there is no peace in this world.
Superbot
(59 posts)Tragedies like these will always happens when so many people in a society have little respect for life.