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TomClash

(11,344 posts)
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:25 PM Dec 2012

Chinese children injured in knife attack outside primary school

Source: The Guardian

Chinese children injured in knife attack outside primary school
Police say villager is in custody after attack in which 23 people were injured in Chengping as children arrived for classes

Associated Press in Beijing
guardian.co.uk, Friday 14 December 2012 02.59 EST

A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes, police say, the latest in a series of attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8am local time on Friday, said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.

. . .

It was not clear how old the injured children were, but Chinese primary school pupils are generally aged between six and 11.

. . .

No motive was given for the stabbings, which echo a string of similar assaults against schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when a knife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/14/chinese-children-knife-primary-school

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Chinese children injured in knife attack outside primary school (Original Post) TomClash Dec 2012 OP
So... bw3517 Dec 2012 #1
in china it will likely be politicized nt msongs Dec 2012 #4
Go crawl back under your rock. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #27
As well as what? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #84
good luck with this. mikeysnot Dec 2012 #2
Who was "justifying gun nuttery?" TomClash Dec 2012 #6
Of course not mikeysnot Dec 2012 #12
Being obtuse is an achievement, I suppose. TomClash Dec 2012 #23
Putting aside for the moment the obvious false equivalency, I'd like to point out that Flatulo Dec 2012 #9
I don't think there's anything wrong with our species adieu Dec 2012 #48
There is no false equivalency lbrtbell Dec 2012 #55
Something needs to be done about mental illness marshall Dec 2012 #61
So let's take a look at Mexico. Much more restrictive gun control laws than US, humblebum Dec 2012 #20
gang crime and turf warfare is different then mikeysnot Dec 2012 #35
That's a great way to rationalize. So, if guns have been taken away from the law humblebum Dec 2012 #42
You do realize that both side of the gangs mikeysnot Dec 2012 #64
And how is it that the gangs are able to move in and take over large areas of humblebum Dec 2012 #66
Go ahead live in fantasy land mikeysnot Dec 2012 #72
"No belief that the mark MAY be armed has ever stopped anyone from committing a crime." And humblebum Dec 2012 #74
Ahhhhh! mikeysnot Dec 2012 #75
Then why did they wear body armor and why did they attack groups that most likely humblebum Dec 2012 #76
Guns for military and police only mikeysnot Dec 2012 #77
What's the matter? Did your argument blow up in your face? nt humblebum Dec 2012 #79
are you jerking off with your gun right now? mikeysnot Dec 2012 #81
No difference at all lbrtbell Dec 2012 #54
Then we agree to get rid of mikeysnot Dec 2012 #73
Your type of thinking is why the NRA exists. nt humblebum Dec 2012 #78
No. mikeysnot Dec 2012 #80
If you think that gun ownership is going to become a thing of the past, you are fooling humblebum Dec 2012 #82
So only criminals will mikeysnot Dec 2012 #83
There is that little thing called the Constitution that will need to be circumvented first. nt humblebum Dec 2012 #85
Sure mikeysnot Dec 2012 #86
If that is what it specified then you would be OK. But it does not. nt humblebum Dec 2012 #87
I'm sorry? mikeysnot Dec 2012 #88
It doesn't. Never claimed it did. Again, it does not specify. So why do you insist that it humblebum Dec 2012 #89
I just used your logic mikeysnot Dec 2012 #90
Not really too much logic involved. It says what it says. Arms are arms. humblebum Dec 2012 #91
Arms are arms mikeysnot Dec 2012 #92
It would be interesting to see how you define "win." humblebum Dec 2012 #93
Belief masquerading as fact mikeysnot Dec 2012 #94
Just another red herring. nt humblebum Dec 2012 #95
Just keep telling yourself that. mikeysnot Jan 2013 #96
OK. humblebum Jan 2013 #99
everyone feels sorry for you. mikeysnot Jan 2013 #101
At least I do my own thinking. mikeysnot Jan 2013 #97
But regurgitating nonetheless. nt humblebum Jan 2013 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Dec 2012 #40
well when you look past the fact that the police are often aligned with the narcos.. frylock Dec 2012 #45
So you are in effect saying that its ok to take guns away from the ordinary citizenry humblebum Dec 2012 #52
you'll have to direct me to where i said that frylock Dec 2012 #56
Did you notice the words "in effect?" Because that is the reality of gun control in Mexico today. humblebum Dec 2012 #58
And let's take a look at Japan. Much more restrictive gun control laws than the US Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #70
In terms of gang affiliation and crime, who is the US more comparable to? humblebum Dec 2012 #71
Wasn't there just an attack last month? Or am I remembering wrong? Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #100
No one was killed. yellerpup Dec 2012 #3
+ struggle4progress Dec 2012 #60
I would take my chances getting stabbed than shot nobodyspecial Dec 2012 #5
And if the person had a gun people would have died instead of injured. Sky Masterson Dec 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Dec 2012 #8
Funny how this story turns up like 20 times on DU today.... I wonder... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #10
It is odd that a similar attack occurred in China on the same day TomClash Dec 2012 #13
I've read about this incident, today, in several threads on DU. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #16
Huh? TomClash Dec 2012 #18
My guess is as good as yours. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #24
'cause even though these things seem to be happening more frequently, they are still relatively rare octothorpe Dec 2012 #68
I've seen this same article ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #11
it's the opposite of a pro-gun article mainer Dec 2012 #15
You win the prize TomClash Dec 2012 #21
My Bad ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #28
No problem TomClash Dec 2012 #33
This. This is exactly the point. KitSileya Dec 2012 #36
yeh, if knives kill people, then why don't the RKBA jackoffs just carry one for self defense? frylock Dec 2012 #46
BAN KNIVES!!!!!! WTF HOW DARE THIS HAPPEN IN THE 21st CENTURY!!!! 88mph Dec 2012 #14
The Original Thread is a False Equivalence triplepoint Dec 2012 #17
The grave-dancing is not appreciated. Fearless Dec 2012 #19
i see it as the opposite Enrique Dec 2012 #22
Perhaps the author should enlighten us as to which meaning they meant... Fearless Dec 2012 #25
well it is a major event that happened Enrique Dec 2012 #26
Oh really? Fearless Dec 2012 #29
I am not "grave-dancing" or belittling what happened TomClash Dec 2012 #31
Then we should review our gun laws and gun-violence orientated society? Fearless Dec 2012 #32
Yes, but that is only part of the problem nt TomClash Dec 2012 #53
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #30
It is 2012 now. The stabbings in China just happened. Tx4obama Dec 2012 #34
You are referring to a different mass stabbing. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #38
now that its been pointed out that you were mistaken, why don't you self delete your post onenote Dec 2012 #43
Better headline: "None killed in Chinese school knife attack" KamaAina Dec 2012 #37
"this time" AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #39
Two incidents over two years adieu Dec 2012 #49
Well, there's a strongly upvoted thread on the main page AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #50
Funny you should mention earthquakes KamaAina Dec 2012 #59
Exactly n/t Strelnikov_ Dec 2012 #41
+28 jsr Dec 2012 #47
Knife-wielding man in classroom? Throw a chair, or textbooks, at them. jsr Dec 2012 #44
What a sorry motherfucker tabasco Dec 2012 #51
well - I'm certain that we can at least ALL agree that it is a good think he didn't have a gun Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #57
Straight from Drudge to DU... perfect. Agschmid Dec 2012 #62
Key Point: 1 nut with knife in school = 23 injured kids; 1 nut with gun = 22 DEAD kids. nt SunSeeker Dec 2012 #63
It seems the key point is that 45 kids were attacked for no reason yesterday while at their schools. octothorpe Dec 2012 #67
I'm a bit confused by some of the responses here. THIS IS NEWS! octothorpe Dec 2012 #65
I am not objecting to it being reported as breaking news. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #69

mikeysnot

(4,755 posts)
2. good luck with this.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:28 PM
Dec 2012

SO two attacks in over two years... in China.


yes this is a good analogy to justify gun nuttery...

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
23. Being obtuse is an achievement, I suppose.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:52 PM
Dec 2012

Several other posters managed to grasp the meaning quite easily.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
9. Putting aside for the moment the obvious false equivalency, I'd like to point out that
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:32 PM
Dec 2012

something is going very wrong with our species.

What demons are causing people to want to kill or maim as many of their fellow beings as possible? How did industrialized societies become so dehumanizing?

More importantly, what can be done???

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
48. I don't think there's anything wrong with our species
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:08 PM
Dec 2012

These obviously uncivilized behavior are within the realm of what our species has done and can do. It's within the bounds of our nature. The difference is that modern technology has allowed us to do it with much more efficiency.

Despite it all, overall violence among humans is at an all time historical low, and that's not an anomaly, the trend has been going downwards for the past 1000 years, WWI and II notwithstanding.

lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
55. There is no false equivalency
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:43 PM
Dec 2012

It's the exact same problem: Severe mental illness.

The weapon isn't the issue, because you can always replace one weapon with another. It's about the person wanting to kill dozens of innocent people.

It's this which needs to be investigated. What drives someone to do such a thing, and how can we stop it before it happens?

These are the questions we should be asking.

marshall

(6,661 posts)
61. Something needs to be done about mental illness
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:23 AM
Dec 2012

It is not fair for society, especially children, to be held at risk because we don't know how to handle our mentally ill.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
20. So let's take a look at Mexico. Much more restrictive gun control laws than US,
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:46 PM
Dec 2012

and yet how many are killed there by guns on a regular basis?

mikeysnot

(4,755 posts)
35. gang crime and turf warfare is different then
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:20 PM
Dec 2012

massacre crime due to prohibition and control over drugs and their market control.

BIG difference.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
42. That's a great way to rationalize. So, if guns have been taken away from the law
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:52 PM
Dec 2012

abiding Mexicans, who still has guns regardless of the restrictive gun laws? Dead is Dead.

The problems of society in both Mexican and American society run much much deeper than simply calling for gun controls. The affinity for violence and its desensitizing effect seriously need to be addressed.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
66. And how is it that the gangs are able to move in and take over large areas of
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:37 AM
Dec 2012

territory virtually unopposed? And why is it that only the criminals are armed? And where is a crazed gunman more likely to strike? At a group of people who have no weapons or at a group that is heavily armed?

Gang control is what is called for in this case and not gun control. However, the strong gun control laws are a huge part of the problem.

mikeysnot

(4,755 posts)
72. Go ahead live in fantasy land
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:34 AM
Dec 2012

arguing in circles. GUNS ARE THE PROBLEMS! And idiots with guns are the bigger problem.

No belief that the mark MAY be armed has ever stopped anyone from committing a crime. It just changes their tactics.

Armed gang members have never been deterred by other armed gang members, and NO arming MORE people has ever deterred any crime.

You live a lie, don't expect anyone else to live it with you.


 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
74. "No belief that the mark MAY be armed has ever stopped anyone from committing a crime." And
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:13 AM
Dec 2012

you say I'm living in fantasy land?

To even suggest that guns are never a deterrent is not even a defensible argument. However, history proves that unarmed populations are quite easily subdued.

"Armed gang members have never been deterred by other armed gang members" - and by what avenue did you come by that bit of wisdom? Then why are gang members constantly seeking more powerful weaponry.

Even to suggest that arms do not deter is ridiculous. that is a tactic that has been proven to work. The problem is not guns. The problem is guns designed for war being in the hands of unstable people. People are always the source of the problem.

mikeysnot

(4,755 posts)
75. Ahhhhh!
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:26 AM
Dec 2012

riiiighhht.

Gabby Gifford's shooter was deterred that someone MIGHT be armed.

The Dark Knight Shooter was deterred that someone MIGHT be armed.

Both happened in Concealed carry states. One showed up with body armor.

You Live a lie and I am your Host Mr. Rourke, Tattoo will be bringing you a drink and some soma here shortly.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
76. Then why did they wear body armor and why did they attack groups that most likely
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:42 AM
Dec 2012

were totally unarmed?

Do you think the Connecticut school shooter expected to encounter armed first graders?

And how often are police stations or armories attacked by crazed shooters?

Schools, shopping malls, theaters, and churches are not normally considered as heavily armed places.

And what places are those types of places commonly attacked by crazed killers? Police stations, gun shows, military armories? Nope. And why do you suppose such would be the case?

mikeysnot

(4,755 posts)
77. Guns for military and police only
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:46 AM
Dec 2012

You want to be Rambozo join the military.

Go masturbate to your gun. stubby.

lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
54. No difference at all
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:30 PM
Dec 2012

It's proof that gun laws never prevent criminals from getting guns. Because, you know, criminals do things that are against the law.

mikeysnot

(4,755 posts)
73. Then we agree to get rid of
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:36 AM
Dec 2012

the proliferation of guns in our society.

Glad to agree.

You want to have a gun, join the military or become a cop.

mikeysnot

(4,755 posts)
80. No.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:01 PM
Dec 2012

The NRA exists to be a PR firm for the gun manufacturers. Pushing lies and fallacy to help sell more guns to stupid fucking idiots that are afraid of their own shadows.

Pump up fear.

Pump up fear of government.

pump up fear of Armageddon.

Drive up profits.

For the first time ever in this country, I do not think the gun nuts will win this time.

We the people have had enough of your bullshit.

Your gun obsession, your gun fetish.

You live a lie. Time to wake the fuck up.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
82. If you think that gun ownership is going to become a thing of the past, you are fooling
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:15 PM
Dec 2012

yourself. Sales of guns always increase when that right is being challenged.

However, I do think that assault weapons ownership and large capacity magazines will be outlawed as they should be. that is where common sense needs to dictate action and response.

mikeysnot

(4,755 posts)
86. Sure
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:57 PM
Dec 2012

apply the rule to only guns that were around when the 2nd amendment was written.

have all the musket guns you want.

I'm good with that.

mikeysnot

(4,755 posts)
88. I'm sorry?
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:19 PM
Dec 2012

Where does it specify that you can have assault weapons? Bullet proof armor? Semi-automatics? Multi round magazines?

Right back at you.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
89. It doesn't. Never claimed it did. Again, it does not specify. So why do you insist that it
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:52 PM
Dec 2012

says something it does not?

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
91. Not really too much logic involved. It says what it says. Arms are arms.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:37 PM
Dec 2012

Then should freedom of speech and press only extend to vocal expression and newspapers and be denied to radio and television because that's all that existed at the time?

mikeysnot

(4,755 posts)
92. Arms are arms
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:28 PM
Dec 2012

and they need to be regulated.

We will win this time.

Gun nuts always confuse "need" with "want"...

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
93. It would be interesting to see how you define "win."
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:12 PM
Dec 2012

If you think that firearms will become illegal, then your chances are zero. However, if sale and ownership of recognized assault weapons and large clips and magazines are regulated, chances are very good and I certainly favor that. But all guns, forget it. Legislation will not work, and any attempt to forcibly remove weapons would likely result in a civil war, and would never have the full support of the military or law enforcement.

Response to humblebum (Reply #20)

frylock

(34,825 posts)
45. well when you look past the fact that the police are often aligned with the narcos..
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:37 PM
Dec 2012

I guess it's real easy make a stupid fucking comment like yours.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
52. So you are in effect saying that its ok to take guns away from the ordinary citizenry
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:29 PM
Dec 2012

but to let them be held hostage by criminals who have guns, which seems to be ok with you?

I suppose in some convoluted way that probably makes sense.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
58. Did you notice the words "in effect?" Because that is the reality of gun control in Mexico today.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:13 PM
Dec 2012

And that is what you seem to be making an excuse for. There is absolutely no reason to think that could not happen in the US also.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
70. And let's take a look at Japan. Much more restrictive gun control laws than the US
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:03 PM
Dec 2012

And one-thousandth the number of gun murders. Go figger.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
71. In terms of gang affiliation and crime, who is the US more comparable to?
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:31 PM
Dec 2012

Mexico or Japan? What nation's crime problems and gang problems are spilling over our border? Mexico or Japan?

And of course there is strong gun control in Norway. That sure stopped Brevik - not. Perhaps if someone on that island had been armed, he could have been stopped.

Response to TomClash (Original post)

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
10. Funny how this story turns up like 20 times on DU today.... I wonder...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:33 PM
Dec 2012

Can't remember that the last couple of knifings in chinese schools brought up dozens of threads...

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
13. It is odd that a similar attack occurred in China on the same day
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:38 PM
Dec 2012

It is also noteworthy that no guns were involved and no one was killed in the Chinese attack.

This did not turn up "like 20 times on DU today." It wasn't in Late Breaking News at all.


Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
16. I've read about this incident, today, in several threads on DU.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:41 PM
Dec 2012

Maybe not LBN; I dunno.

I don't think it's odd at all. The world is a big place, so having "simultaneous" acts of maniacal violence occur doesn't surprise me.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
24. My guess is as good as yours.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:52 PM
Dec 2012

I still don't see what's odd about it. Bound to happen in two places on the same day, statistical chance and all.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. I've seen this same article ...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:36 PM
Dec 2012

posted to a number of sites by pro-gun people.

I don't understand? Is this somehow a pro-gun argument/defense?

If so, why not and go to the absolute reductio ad absurdum argument, and post an article about the number of people that die after choking on bubble gum?

mainer

(12,010 posts)
15. it's the opposite of a pro-gun article
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:40 PM
Dec 2012

Two elementary schools. Two crazy attackers.

The guy with the gun kills 27 people.
The guy with the knife doesn't kill even one.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
28. My Bad ...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:00 PM
Dec 2012

I was reacting to what I had read at the other sites ... which was, "See? This stuff doesn't just happen with guns! This guy used a knife ... are we going to advocate for the banning of knives? What next ...?"

Sorry I misinterpreted your post.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
36. This. This is exactly the point.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:28 PM
Dec 2012

You should OP this. Do you mind if I borrow it in discussions off DU?

 

triplepoint

(431 posts)
17. The Original Thread is a False Equivalence
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:43 PM
Dec 2012

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Fearless

(18,421 posts)
19. The grave-dancing is not appreciated.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:44 PM
Dec 2012

To suggest that guns aren't a (not the only) cause of what happened today and to belittle that idea is fantastically offensive to those who died and to those who now need to live with what happened today.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
22. i see it as the opposite
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:47 PM
Dec 2012

in China the kids are injured. their parents can visit them in the hospital and see them at home eventually. In the U.S. the kids are dead.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
29. Oh really?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:07 PM
Dec 2012

So this story would have been posted if the events of today hadn't happened in CT? So we post all 44-odd pages of school shootings happening solely in the US since 1992? Since DU's 2001 inception?

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=c2Nob29sc2FmZXR5LnVzfG5zc2N8Z3g6NWFlZDdjZjBjMGY1Yjc3Mw

No. This is a political statement. The creation of a false equivalency. It was only brought up to "show" that violence still happens even without guns. The fact is however, that no one died in that attack.

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
31. I am not "grave-dancing" or belittling what happened
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:10 PM
Dec 2012

I know what it is like to have a severely injured child. I have know what guns can do from personal experience.

There are two points: there are crazy people in the world for many different reasons, so incidents of this type have always happened and probably will continue to happen.

And when incidents like this happen, the chances of being killed or seriously injured drop precipitously when high caliber, automatic/semi-automatic weapons are not involved.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
32. Then we should review our gun laws and gun-violence orientated society?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:12 PM
Dec 2012

If so, then I agree wholeheartedly.

Response to TomClash (Original post)

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
34. It is 2012 now. The stabbings in China just happened.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:18 PM
Dec 2012

What year do you think it is now?

Today is Friday December 14, 2012

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
38. You are referring to a different mass stabbing.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:30 PM
Dec 2012

In the lower right hand corner of your screen, look carefully at today's date.
Now look back at the date on that article.

In fact, this article makes a reference to the previous attack as well.

onenote

(42,296 posts)
43. now that its been pointed out that you were mistaken, why don't you self delete your post
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:06 PM
Dec 2012

before I decide to alert on your false attack on another DUer as having "lied".

An apology would be in order too.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
37. Better headline: "None killed in Chinese school knife attack"
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:56 PM
Dec 2012

The Chinese flag will likely not be flying at half-staff through Tuesday.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
39. "this time"
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:32 PM
Dec 2012

This has become their form of 'US School Shooting', and it is not always without multiple fatalities, sadly. It's become a recurring problem for them, as shootings have for us.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
49. Two incidents over two years
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:40 PM
Dec 2012

in a country with a population of 1.6 billion is a very, very small blip. Yes, it's preventable and it's clearly unfortunate, but it's not an indication that existing laws in China are not adequately dealing with mass knife stabbings at schools. New laws need not be legislated (even though they apparently did after the first incidence).

The question is how many until it gets to be a problem?

No one wants their child to be hurt whether it's by gun or by knife, or even by a book falling off the shelves in the library. Negligence and accidents occur and they're unstoppable, only mitigated to a significant degree. If the occurrence of such wild lunatic actions such as the Chinese knife wielder or the Connecticut shooter, it may be worth categorizing them as purely accidental "acts of god".

The question is how high a frequency of such incidents before we have to say, "hey, this isn't categorizable as an act of god. We should do something about it."

For example, here in CA where I live, we have occasional earthquakes. If they occurred once every 200 or so years, we would not have instituted most of the building codes we have now. But, if we have earthquakes every 10 years or so, we take steps to mitigate their effects even though they're "acts of god". What's the frequency that makes us take action? I think one big Loma-Prieta sized one every 80 years is sufficient to make us take action. So what's the answer for human-instigated mass violence?

And, are all human-instigated mass violence the same? We in the United States took very drastic measures after 9/11, despite that being a once-in-a-lifetime incident (and those measures were not only ineffectual, they're down right misdirected), yet we have mass shootings once every three weeks or so, on average, and we make no appreciable changes to the laws on gun usage or access.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
50. Well, there's a strongly upvoted thread on the main page
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:47 PM
Dec 2012

about banning people who post such things, but elsewhere I listed a lot more than 2 incidents in 2 years. Regardless, I get your point.

I also agree with your point about black swans, like 9/11. In fact, I don't see anything to disagree with, except the count mentioned earlier. That I believe we will still see mass-casualty attacks even if we ban all guns in the nation doesn't mean we shouldn't be working on legislation that might reduce the number of mass shootings, specifically.

As I mentioned in the other thread, guns certainly are a force multiplier, and as such, they on average have a higher impact than the 'mass stabbing' incidents.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
59. Funny you should mention earthquakes
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:07 AM
Dec 2012

the last big one in Sichuan, China brought down several school buildings, which turned out to have been shoddily built.

There was a public outcry over shitty construction of school buildings. In CHINA.

Here in the Land of the Free? (crickets)

jsr

(7,712 posts)
44. Knife-wielding man in classroom? Throw a chair, or textbooks, at them.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:19 PM
Dec 2012

There is a HUGE difference between a gun and a knife.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
57. well - I'm certain that we can at least ALL agree that it is a good think he didn't have a gun
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:56 PM
Dec 2012

There would have been a lot more dead children. That is one thing that everyone of us regardless where we stand on the gun issue can agree on.

octothorpe

(962 posts)
67. It seems the key point is that 45 kids were attacked for no reason yesterday while at their schools.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:38 AM
Dec 2012

Luckily those kids in China will be able to see their families again, and hopefully none of them were injured too bad.

octothorpe

(962 posts)
65. I'm a bit confused by some of the responses here. THIS IS NEWS!
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:31 AM
Dec 2012

TomClash, nor the article, made any comparisons between this and the school shooting in CT, yet people in this thread are acting as if this shouldn't be reported. WTF? Someone going into a school with a knife and stabbing 22 children is newsworthy no matter what country it happens in. Kinda screwy that so many here can be so damn americentric that they think this shouldn't be mentioned/discussed because it wasn't done with guns (the hot topic in the US, obviously)


Anyway, what is with these sick bastards wanting to kill children? Which killing spree happened first?

SunSeeker

(51,300 posts)
69. I am not objecting to it being reported as breaking news.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:59 AM
Dec 2012

It is just that some freepers have been peppering other posts about the CT shooting to suggest that if we take away guns people will still attack. Of course, they miss the key point that in the attack in China no child died, while in CT 22 kids died... plus their teachers.

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