Chinese children injured in knife attack outside primary school
Source: The Guardian
Chinese children injured in knife attack outside primary school
Police say villager is in custody after attack in which 23 people were injured in Chengping as children arrived for classes
Associated Press in Beijing
guardian.co.uk, Friday 14 December 2012 02.59 EST
A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes, police say, the latest in a series of attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.
The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8am local time on Friday, said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.
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It was not clear how old the injured children were, but Chinese primary school pupils are generally aged between six and 11.
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No motive was given for the stabbings, which echo a string of similar assaults against schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when a knife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.
Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/14/chinese-children-knife-primary-school
Should we politicize this tragedy as well?
msongs
(67,129 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)yellowcanine
(35,690 posts)mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)SO two attacks in over two years... in China.
yes this is a good analogy to justify gun nuttery...
TomClash
(11,344 posts)Not me, mikeysnot.
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)How can I be so obtuse.
TomClash
(11,344 posts)Several other posters managed to grasp the meaning quite easily.
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)something is going very wrong with our species.
What demons are causing people to want to kill or maim as many of their fellow beings as possible? How did industrialized societies become so dehumanizing?
More importantly, what can be done???
adieu
(1,009 posts)These obviously uncivilized behavior are within the realm of what our species has done and can do. It's within the bounds of our nature. The difference is that modern technology has allowed us to do it with much more efficiency.
Despite it all, overall violence among humans is at an all time historical low, and that's not an anomaly, the trend has been going downwards for the past 1000 years, WWI and II notwithstanding.
lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)It's the exact same problem: Severe mental illness.
The weapon isn't the issue, because you can always replace one weapon with another. It's about the person wanting to kill dozens of innocent people.
It's this which needs to be investigated. What drives someone to do such a thing, and how can we stop it before it happens?
These are the questions we should be asking.
marshall
(6,661 posts)It is not fair for society, especially children, to be held at risk because we don't know how to handle our mentally ill.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)and yet how many are killed there by guns on a regular basis?
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)massacre crime due to prohibition and control over drugs and their market control.
BIG difference.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)abiding Mexicans, who still has guns regardless of the restrictive gun laws? Dead is Dead.
The problems of society in both Mexican and American society run much much deeper than simply calling for gun controls. The affinity for violence and its desensitizing effect seriously need to be addressed.
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)ARE HEAVILY ARMED!
Just pointing out reality to you...
humblebum
(5,881 posts)territory virtually unopposed? And why is it that only the criminals are armed? And where is a crazed gunman more likely to strike? At a group of people who have no weapons or at a group that is heavily armed?
Gang control is what is called for in this case and not gun control. However, the strong gun control laws are a huge part of the problem.
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)arguing in circles. GUNS ARE THE PROBLEMS! And idiots with guns are the bigger problem.
No belief that the mark MAY be armed has ever stopped anyone from committing a crime. It just changes their tactics.
Armed gang members have never been deterred by other armed gang members, and NO arming MORE people has ever deterred any crime.
You live a lie, don't expect anyone else to live it with you.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)you say I'm living in fantasy land?
To even suggest that guns are never a deterrent is not even a defensible argument. However, history proves that unarmed populations are quite easily subdued.
"Armed gang members have never been deterred by other armed gang members" - and by what avenue did you come by that bit of wisdom? Then why are gang members constantly seeking more powerful weaponry.
Even to suggest that arms do not deter is ridiculous. that is a tactic that has been proven to work. The problem is not guns. The problem is guns designed for war being in the hands of unstable people. People are always the source of the problem.
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)riiiighhht.
Gabby Gifford's shooter was deterred that someone MIGHT be armed.
The Dark Knight Shooter was deterred that someone MIGHT be armed.
Both happened in Concealed carry states. One showed up with body armor.
You Live a lie and I am your Host Mr. Rourke, Tattoo will be bringing you a drink and some soma here shortly.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)were totally unarmed?
Do you think the Connecticut school shooter expected to encounter armed first graders?
And how often are police stations or armories attacked by crazed shooters?
Schools, shopping malls, theaters, and churches are not normally considered as heavily armed places.
And what places are those types of places commonly attacked by crazed killers? Police stations, gun shows, military armories? Nope. And why do you suppose such would be the case?
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)You want to be Rambozo join the military.
Go masturbate to your gun. stubby.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)Thought so.
lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)It's proof that gun laws never prevent criminals from getting guns. Because, you know, criminals do things that are against the law.
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)the proliferation of guns in our society.
Glad to agree.
You want to have a gun, join the military or become a cop.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)The NRA exists to be a PR firm for the gun manufacturers. Pushing lies and fallacy to help sell more guns to stupid fucking idiots that are afraid of their own shadows.
Pump up fear.
Pump up fear of government.
pump up fear of Armageddon.
Drive up profits.
For the first time ever in this country, I do not think the gun nuts will win this time.
We the people have had enough of your bullshit.
Your gun obsession, your gun fetish.
You live a lie. Time to wake the fuck up.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)yourself. Sales of guns always increase when that right is being challenged.
However, I do think that assault weapons ownership and large capacity magazines will be outlawed as they should be. that is where common sense needs to dictate action and response.
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)have guns.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)apply the rule to only guns that were around when the 2nd amendment was written.
have all the musket guns you want.
I'm good with that.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)Where does it specify that you can have assault weapons? Bullet proof armor? Semi-automatics? Multi round magazines?
Right back at you.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)says something it does not?
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)against you. Sorry.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)Then should freedom of speech and press only extend to vocal expression and newspapers and be denied to radio and television because that's all that existed at the time?
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)and they need to be regulated.
We will win this time.
Gun nuts always confuse "need" with "want"...
humblebum
(5,881 posts)If you think that firearms will become illegal, then your chances are zero. However, if sale and ownership of recognized assault weapons and large clips and magazines are regulated, chances are very good and I certainly favor that. But all guns, forget it. Legislation will not work, and any attempt to forcibly remove weapons would likely result in a civil war, and would never have the full support of the military or law enforcement.
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)Switzerland, Israel, Australia.... your turn.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)Living a lie and such...
mikeysnot
(4,755 posts)Not regurgitating beliefs from a PR firm for the gun manufacturers
humblebum
(5,881 posts)Response to humblebum (Reply #20)
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frylock
(34,825 posts)I guess it's real easy make a stupid fucking comment like yours.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)but to let them be held hostage by criminals who have guns, which seems to be ok with you?
I suppose in some convoluted way that probably makes sense.
frylock
(34,825 posts)humblebum
(5,881 posts)And that is what you seem to be making an excuse for. There is absolutely no reason to think that could not happen in the US also.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And one-thousandth the number of gun murders. Go figger.
humblebum
(5,881 posts)Mexico or Japan? What nation's crime problems and gang problems are spilling over our border? Mexico or Japan?
And of course there is strong gun control in Norway. That sure stopped Brevik - not. Perhaps if someone on that island had been armed, he could have been stopped.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Never mind, it is an old post.
yellerpup
(12,249 posts)And three were seriously injured enough to go to the hospital.
struggle4progress
(117,949 posts)nobodyspecial
(2,286 posts)You are much more likely to survive a stabbing.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)...
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Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Can't remember that the last couple of knifings in chinese schools brought up dozens of threads...
TomClash
(11,344 posts)It is also noteworthy that no guns were involved and no one was killed in the Chinese attack.
This did not turn up "like 20 times on DU today." It wasn't in Late Breaking News at all.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Maybe not LBN; I dunno.
I don't think it's odd at all. The world is a big place, so having "simultaneous" acts of maniacal violence occur doesn't surprise me.
TomClash
(11,344 posts)How often do mass attacks on primary school students happen on the same day? Probably never.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)I still don't see what's odd about it. Bound to happen in two places on the same day, statistical chance and all.
octothorpe
(962 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)posted to a number of sites by pro-gun people.
I don't understand? Is this somehow a pro-gun argument/defense?
If so, why not and go to the absolute reductio ad absurdum argument, and post an article about the number of people that die after choking on bubble gum?
mainer
(12,010 posts)Two elementary schools. Two crazy attackers.
The guy with the gun kills 27 people.
The guy with the knife doesn't kill even one.
TomClash
(11,344 posts)You easily figured out what should be obvious, but apparently is not.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I was reacting to what I had read at the other sites ... which was, "See? This stuff doesn't just happen with guns! This guy used a knife ... are we going to advocate for the banning of knives? What next ...?"
Sorry I misinterpreted your post.
TomClash
(11,344 posts)Your response wasn't a personal attack anyway.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)You should OP this. Do you mind if I borrow it in discussions off DU?
frylock
(34,825 posts)88mph
(18 posts)triplepoint
(431 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:52 PM - Edit history (1)
and the thread originator very likely knows it, is proud of it, and posts it all over the Net ad infinitium/ad nauseum.
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"...We have to save each other because all victims are equal and none is more equal than others. It's everyone's duty to start the avalanche."
--Bartholomew "Barley" Scott Blair, "The Russia House"
Fearless
(18,421 posts)To suggest that guns aren't a (not the only) cause of what happened today and to belittle that idea is fantastically offensive to those who died and to those who now need to live with what happened today.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)in China the kids are injured. their parents can visit them in the hospital and see them at home eventually. In the U.S. the kids are dead.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)we post news stories here at DU, and this is a big one.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)So this story would have been posted if the events of today hadn't happened in CT? So we post all 44-odd pages of school shootings happening solely in the US since 1992? Since DU's 2001 inception?
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=c2Nob29sc2FmZXR5LnVzfG5zc2N8Z3g6NWFlZDdjZjBjMGY1Yjc3Mw
No. This is a political statement. The creation of a false equivalency. It was only brought up to "show" that violence still happens even without guns. The fact is however, that no one died in that attack.
TomClash
(11,344 posts)I know what it is like to have a severely injured child. I have know what guns can do from personal experience.
There are two points: there are crazy people in the world for many different reasons, so incidents of this type have always happened and probably will continue to happen.
And when incidents like this happen, the chances of being killed or seriously injured drop precipitously when high caliber, automatic/semi-automatic weapons are not involved.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)If so, then I agree wholeheartedly.
TomClash
(11,344 posts)Response to TomClash (Original post)
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Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)What year do you think it is now?
Today is Friday December 14, 2012
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)In the lower right hand corner of your screen, look carefully at today's date.
Now look back at the date on that article.
In fact, this article makes a reference to the previous attack as well.
onenote
(42,296 posts)before I decide to alert on your false attack on another DUer as having "lied".
An apology would be in order too.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The Chinese flag will likely not be flying at half-staff through Tuesday.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)This has become their form of 'US School Shooting', and it is not always without multiple fatalities, sadly. It's become a recurring problem for them, as shootings have for us.
adieu
(1,009 posts)in a country with a population of 1.6 billion is a very, very small blip. Yes, it's preventable and it's clearly unfortunate, but it's not an indication that existing laws in China are not adequately dealing with mass knife stabbings at schools. New laws need not be legislated (even though they apparently did after the first incidence).
The question is how many until it gets to be a problem?
No one wants their child to be hurt whether it's by gun or by knife, or even by a book falling off the shelves in the library. Negligence and accidents occur and they're unstoppable, only mitigated to a significant degree. If the occurrence of such wild lunatic actions such as the Chinese knife wielder or the Connecticut shooter, it may be worth categorizing them as purely accidental "acts of god".
The question is how high a frequency of such incidents before we have to say, "hey, this isn't categorizable as an act of god. We should do something about it."
For example, here in CA where I live, we have occasional earthquakes. If they occurred once every 200 or so years, we would not have instituted most of the building codes we have now. But, if we have earthquakes every 10 years or so, we take steps to mitigate their effects even though they're "acts of god". What's the frequency that makes us take action? I think one big Loma-Prieta sized one every 80 years is sufficient to make us take action. So what's the answer for human-instigated mass violence?
And, are all human-instigated mass violence the same? We in the United States took very drastic measures after 9/11, despite that being a once-in-a-lifetime incident (and those measures were not only ineffectual, they're down right misdirected), yet we have mass shootings once every three weeks or so, on average, and we make no appreciable changes to the laws on gun usage or access.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)about banning people who post such things, but elsewhere I listed a lot more than 2 incidents in 2 years. Regardless, I get your point.
I also agree with your point about black swans, like 9/11. In fact, I don't see anything to disagree with, except the count mentioned earlier. That I believe we will still see mass-casualty attacks even if we ban all guns in the nation doesn't mean we shouldn't be working on legislation that might reduce the number of mass shootings, specifically.
As I mentioned in the other thread, guns certainly are a force multiplier, and as such, they on average have a higher impact than the 'mass stabbing' incidents.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)the last big one in Sichuan, China brought down several school buildings, which turned out to have been shoddily built.
There was a public outcry over shitty construction of school buildings. In CHINA.
Here in the Land of the Free? (crickets)
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)There is a HUGE difference between a gun and a knife.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Trying to deflect.
PATHETIC!
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)There would have been a lot more dead children. That is one thing that everyone of us regardless where we stand on the gun issue can agree on.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)SunSeeker
(51,300 posts)octothorpe
(962 posts)Luckily those kids in China will be able to see their families again, and hopefully none of them were injured too bad.
octothorpe
(962 posts)TomClash, nor the article, made any comparisons between this and the school shooting in CT, yet people in this thread are acting as if this shouldn't be reported. WTF? Someone going into a school with a knife and stabbing 22 children is newsworthy no matter what country it happens in. Kinda screwy that so many here can be so damn americentric that they think this shouldn't be mentioned/discussed because it wasn't done with guns (the hot topic in the US, obviously)
Anyway, what is with these sick bastards wanting to kill children? Which killing spree happened first?
SunSeeker
(51,300 posts)It is just that some freepers have been peppering other posts about the CT shooting to suggest that if we take away guns people will still attack. Of course, they miss the key point that in the attack in China no child died, while in CT 22 kids died... plus their teachers.