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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:29 PM Dec 2012

Children Dead In CT Elementary School Shooting

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by uppityperson (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Crooksandliars.com

Multiple people have been killed in a shooting at an elementary school. Children are among the dead, the Hartford Courant reports. Sources told the newspaper that many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom. An official with knowledge of the situation says a gunman is dead.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way, says the man apparently had two guns.

The shooting was reported at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, in western Connecticut. State police say Newtown police called them at about 9:40 a.m. about the reports.

Newtown is in northern Fairfield County, about 45 miles southwest of Hartford and 80 miles northeast of New York City.Eight-year-old Alexis Wasik, a third-grader at the school, said police were checking everybody inside the school before they were escorted to the firehouse. "We had to walk with a partner," she said.

Read more: http://crooksandliars.com/breaking-news/children-dead-ct-elementary-school-s



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Children Dead In CT Elementary School Shooting (Original Post) meegbear Dec 2012 OP
the enablers of gun violence on this site must be quite proud of themselves today villager Dec 2012 #1
Typical smear by you. So typical and enabled.nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #3
Go away. godai Dec 2012 #5
No, I will not. I do not tolerate lies & smears. Neither should you. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #9
Shootings in a kindergarten classroom Chorophyll Dec 2012 #38
See#50. Read carefully. Your priorities? nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #79
Hey -- Truth hurts. When you are into promoting guns, you have to take some blame. Hoyt Dec 2012 #7
Hoyt, this is a smear, and you enable it... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #16
It is not a smear when folks on DU have user names reflective of their love of guns above all else. Hoyt Dec 2012 #94
typical denial by you - but what else should we expect? villager Dec 2012 #11
Haven't heard much "empathy" from you. Distracted? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #18
wow - youre sicker than i could have imagined villager Dec 2012 #25
You have expressed hatred for me, not compassion for Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #58
You have something against free speech? Just this issue? Or are there other things we aren't allowed patrice Dec 2012 #13
Pointing out lies and smears is a right, too. Y'know? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #26
Not EVERYTHING that one disagrees with is a lie or a smear. Some? yes, but not ALL & the patrice Dec 2012 #93
If one of our soldiers did this in another country.... L0oniX Dec 2012 #27
Reports of fourteen children dead and you're worried about smears? 1gobluedem Dec 2012 #30
No one has a lock on compassion. Right off... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #40
Such compassion. Is it legal to carry arms at that school? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #63
Guns weren't a problem until some of us started trying to take them away. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #14
I guess i shouldn't be surprised how deep the sickness is among the enablers villager Dec 2012 #20
these are the fruits of your labors, not ours. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #31
again, you are even sicker than first reckoned villager Dec 2012 #35
Where do these people come from? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2012 #46
We are long-time progressive Democrats that some in DU Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #66
you aren't interested in the truth, you're interested in your agenda. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #65
FOX news created the "panic" redwitch Dec 2012 #89
the hell they did. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #90
You are sick. nt tsuki Dec 2012 #69
You are one sick person. callous taoboy Dec 2012 #72
ask the Israelis about it. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #78
Fucking worst non-reply ever. callous taoboy Dec 2012 #81
bullshit. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #85
I'm sure the NRA would love to see DU divided over gun ownership. Thanks for helping them. L0oniX Dec 2012 #33
It's attitude and not just the gun. lalalu Dec 2012 #22
US reteachinwi Dec 2012 #41
Exactly my point. lalalu Dec 2012 #49
Check that under the heading of "gun control laws in Canada vs. the U.S." CTyankee Dec 2012 #53
22 children slashed with a knife in China. I Make Sure Dec 2012 #71
And none dead. KamaAina Dec 2012 #76
CBS just broke into their network programming and reported that Federal authorities told them Purveyor Dec 2012 #2
John 11:35 UncleYoder Dec 2012 #4
God, I hope the numbers aren't that high. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #6
Is there a good number? godai Dec 2012 #12
No, there isn't a "good" number... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #34
Again, go away. godai Dec 2012 #42
Again, No. Do you understand? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #70
only heaven05 Dec 2012 #8
Yep, if the shooter had lived, they would put him on trial and convicted him of murder RDANGELO Dec 2012 #23
exactly heaven05 Dec 2012 #73
Oh, God 1gobluedem Dec 2012 #10
my daughter is in kindergarten. Maine-ah Dec 2012 #36
So sad. These maniacs are dream-killers because they have lost their own. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #37
I have read two of these threads, Yours is the first to have something negative to say MrYikes Dec 2012 #92
I said to my husband that I can't imagine how terrified those parents must've been CTyankee Dec 2012 #56
ABC news reporting "more than a dozen dead" in this shooting rollin74 Dec 2012 #15
ABC NEWS: More Than a Dozen Killed, Including Children, at Connecticut Elementary School Shooting Purveyor Dec 2012 #17
CBS...27 godai Dec 2012 #19
TWO gunmen? This sounds like Columbine mainer Dec 2012 #21
bbc LINK dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #24
I cannot stop crying qanda Dec 2012 #28
MSNBC says there are twenty children shot. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #29
Local news reported that 27 were shot. RebelOne Dec 2012 #39
this whole thread should be locked. ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2012 #32
For a day? NoOneMan Dec 2012 #45
How dare you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tumbulu Dec 2012 #51
+1 Stuckinthebush Dec 2012 #55
There is no "rationale" when it comes to guns happynewyear Dec 2012 #75
How is gun control supposed to be off topic here? Bucky Dec 2012 #59
Both sad and sick happynewyear Dec 2012 #43
Associated Press: 27 dead, 18 children. meegbear Dec 2012 #44
Holy crap. Kablooie Dec 2012 #61
Latest reports say shooter was a student's father mainer Dec 2012 #47
Reports also say the shooter was 20 years old marshall Dec 2012 #74
lates update is 24 years old mainer Dec 2012 #86
Here is the live video from the scene. RebelOne Dec 2012 #48
Why? Jesus christ why? Stuckinthebush Dec 2012 #52
No wonder people in emerging democracies around the world don't want to use our CTyankee Dec 2012 #62
That's probably a fair assessment. dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #64
most of the dead were in kindergarten? NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #54
WAS THE SHOOTER ON PSYCHOACTIVE MEDICATION(S)? Can we please start asking the question? grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #57
NO, because people don't want the truth. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #68
And we'll hear yet more bullshit. . . BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #60
A gun is never brought to trial. Murderers are. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #77
Unless they kill themselves with their semi-automatic weapon Stuckinthebush Dec 2012 #80
Yeo. That's how these psychopaths operate. And Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #82
Let's arm the children Stuckinthebush Dec 2012 #88
Oh boy, you're stupid and tiresome-- You are now on IGNORE BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #83
So, MO speculation? Jon Ace Dec 2012 #67
The presence of two gunmen indicates conspiracy. Lasher Dec 2012 #84
this smelled of terrorism from the beginning. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #87
Horrifying and deeply sad. Words really can't express closeupready Dec 2012 #91
Locking as duplicate. Please continue the discussion here... uppityperson Dec 2012 #95
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. the enablers of gun violence on this site must be quite proud of themselves today
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:32 PM
Dec 2012

N/t

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
3. Typical smear by you. So typical and enabled.nt
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:34 PM
Dec 2012

godai

(2,902 posts)
5. Go away.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:36 PM
Dec 2012
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
9. No, I will not. I do not tolerate lies & smears. Neither should you.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:38 PM
Dec 2012

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
38. Shootings in a kindergarten classroom
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:54 PM
Dec 2012

And all you care about are "smears" against you and your fellow gun worshippers. NICE. Very nice.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
79. See#50. Read carefully. Your priorities? nt
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:25 PM
Dec 2012
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Hey -- Truth hurts. When you are into promoting guns, you have to take some blame.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:36 PM
Dec 2012
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
16. Hoyt, this is a smear, and you enable it...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:42 PM
Dec 2012

You are more concerned about scoring points off lies, aren't you?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
94. It is not a smear when folks on DU have user names reflective of their love of guns above all else.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:43 PM
Dec 2012

That ole gun website meme about Eleanor Roosevelt and her 38 pistol is just bull. And please don't come back with MLK applied for a permit or similar junk either.

The gun culture ought to get together and figure how to get us out of this mess. But that's like hoping corporations quit being greedy, quit polluting, quit taking advantage of any loophole that makes them a buck, etc.

When you shoot this weekend or tuck your gun away when walking in public, think about this.
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
11. typical denial by you - but what else should we expect?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:39 PM
Dec 2012

A squandering of the emotion you feel for gunbs wasted on mere empathy for the victims?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
18. Haven't heard much "empathy" from you. Distracted?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:43 PM
Dec 2012
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
25. wow - youre sicker than i could have imagined
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:46 PM
Dec 2012

N/t

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
58. You have expressed hatred for me, not compassion for
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:06 PM
Dec 2012

children or ANYONE. Do you think they are equivalent?

WHERE is Your compassion?

patrice

(47,992 posts)
13. You have something against free speech? Just this issue? Or are there other things we aren't allowed
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:41 PM
Dec 2012

to say?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
26. Pointing out lies and smears is a right, too. Y'know?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:47 PM
Dec 2012

Maybe you find it difficult to know it when you see it; hatred has a way of clouding your reason.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
93. Not EVERYTHING that one disagrees with is a lie or a smear. Some? yes, but not ALL & the
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:40 PM
Dec 2012

difference between what is, in fact, a lie/smear, and what is, in fact, a essential point/aspect/factor in whatever it is that one values ought to be significant to the valuer, right?, because, how can one authentically value something that you're either dishonest or ignorant about? Isn't dishonesty or ignorance oppression?

When we value something, that implies somekind of relationship to it doesn't it? Why would we falsely limit the definition of that relationship, unless one is threatened by the truth about something? And, being fear based, threats are a form of slavery, oppression, so how can one actually value for real what one is a slave to? Doesn't admitting the truth about something, free one to completely commit to it?

One of my points here has to do with the fact that, to me, the way that we are going about this, just doesn't work, for either side of the gun-ownership question.

Because gun-owners are denying certain truths about gun-ownership, their guns are not resulting in their putative motive for owning them in the first place, i.e. safety & protection. If you do NOTHING but defend un-controlled gun ownership, it is MORE likely that when the necessity of using that gun presents itself, your safety is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay after the fact and, kill the miscreant or not, not much will change in the over-all valence of your safety quotient, for (in denying ALL factors but un-controlled gun-ownership) you will indeed be put at risk again and again in other ways that are more or less directly dangerous to you and one - billions of others, by the same things (writ large) that put you in that dangerous situation in which you found it necessary to use your gun in the first place.

So, the difference between what is in fact a lie/smear and what is an essential factor SHOULD be much more important than most people are pretending it is, even to those who value un-controlled gun-ownership above ALL else.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
27. If one of our soldiers did this in another country....
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:47 PM
Dec 2012

This is horrible. I only wish people would be just as upset over the killing of the innocent our military does.

1gobluedem

(6,664 posts)
30. Reports of fourteen children dead and you're worried about smears?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:49 PM
Dec 2012

Kindergarteners. Killed in their own school.

Get your priorities straight.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
50. No one has a lock on compassion. Right off...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:01 PM
Dec 2012

a smear from someone who "has his priorities straight." Where were his priorities? Where are your's?

Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #3)

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
63. Such compassion. Is it legal to carry arms at that school?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:10 PM
Dec 2012
 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
14. Guns weren't a problem until some of us started trying to take them away.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:41 PM
Dec 2012

these are the unintended consequences of dubious intentions and it's way too late to put the genie back in the bottle now.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
20. I guess i shouldn't be surprised how deep the sickness is among the enablers
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:44 PM
Dec 2012

After all they fetishize an object whose purpose is to maim and kill

 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
31. these are the fruits of your labors, not ours.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:50 PM
Dec 2012

you incited the panic which created the demand which created the current supply. This plague is yours.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
35. again, you are even sicker than first reckoned
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:52 PM
Dec 2012

N/t

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
46. Where do these people come from?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:58 PM
Dec 2012

No, seriously, is the gun lobby paying for bots now?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
66. We are long-time progressive Democrats that some in DU
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:14 PM
Dec 2012

have made into enemies. Do you consider me the enemy?

 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
65. you aren't interested in the truth, you're interested in your agenda.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:12 PM
Dec 2012

again, you created this plague by inciting a panic within the firearms market and now this country is utterly awash in firearms thanks to your efforts. This is all you. and the worst part of it is you will continue to deny that, continue to push, and comtinue to create a market for firearms that would not have existed had you left well enough alone.

redwitch

(14,952 posts)
89. FOX news created the "panic"
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:37 PM
Dec 2012

Pathetic.

 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
90. the hell they did.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:38 PM
Dec 2012

tsuki

(11,994 posts)
69. You are sick. nt
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:15 PM
Dec 2012

callous taoboy

(4,593 posts)
72. You are one sick person.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:18 PM
Dec 2012

I teach second grade. Should I be made to walk around with a pistol on my hip? Is the right for our country to arm itself to the teeth so important to you that a kindergarten teacher should be at the ready to lock and load while amongst her kids? Fucking sick.

 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
78. ask the Israelis about it.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:25 PM
Dec 2012

callous taoboy

(4,593 posts)
81. Fucking worst non-reply ever.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:29 PM
Dec 2012
 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
85. bullshit.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:35 PM
Dec 2012

They arm their teachers and teachers aids because their society is awash in guns and pychopaths too and it works. deal with it.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
33. I'm sure the NRA would love to see DU divided over gun ownership. Thanks for helping them.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:51 PM
Dec 2012
 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
22. It's attitude and not just the gun.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:45 PM
Dec 2012

People have had guns for centuries and I think it is a bit naive to blame just guns. I fully support gun control in the form of better screening, shutting down loopholes, better training, and using smart technology but that will not stop the violence.

There is a problem of hardcore ideology, intolerance of opposing views, inability to cope with negative issues in life, and downright divisiveness. We could ban all guns and these people would use bombs, knives,fire or whatever. Read about the Bath School Massacre in 1922.

We can work on gun control but there are some other serious social issues no one wants to talk about or deal with. Until then gun control alone will not stop this violence.

 

reteachinwi

(579 posts)
41. US
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:56 PM
Dec 2012

I believe Canadians are as well armed as we are. We seem to be breeding sociopaths.

 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
49. Exactly my point.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:00 PM
Dec 2012

There are other issues going on that people in this country don't want to deal with.

CTyankee

(63,926 posts)
53. Check that under the heading of "gun control laws in Canada vs. the U.S."
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:02 PM
Dec 2012
 

I Make Sure

(13 posts)
71. 22 children slashed with a knife in China.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:18 PM
Dec 2012

Ban Ginsu for the children!!!!!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
76. And none dead.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:22 PM
Dec 2012

FAIL.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
2. CBS just broke into their network programming and reported that Federal authorities told them
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:32 PM
Dec 2012

to expect some very, very grim news. Possibly up to a dozen or more killed.

Pray these preliminary reports are wrong.

 

UncleYoder

(233 posts)
4. John 11:35
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:35 PM
Dec 2012

Jesus Wept.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
6. God, I hope the numbers aren't that high.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:36 PM
Dec 2012

godai

(2,902 posts)
12. Is there a good number?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:40 PM
Dec 2012

One is high. You may not be able to use the 'could have been worse' meme today.
I hope I'm wrong.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
34. No, there isn't a "good" number...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:52 PM
Dec 2012

I'm not following any "meme," are you?

FYI, I read an earlier report of one or two shot, hence my hope.

godai

(2,902 posts)
42. Again, go away.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:57 PM
Dec 2012
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
70. Again, No. Do you understand?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:17 PM
Dec 2012
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
8. only
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:37 PM
Dec 2012

the truly insane do these type of things. Too many insane people have access to guns. Somehow this access must be stopped. An elementary school??!! My god. FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!!!

RDANGELO

(3,435 posts)
23. Yep, if the shooter had lived, they would put him on trial and convicted him of murder
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:45 PM
Dec 2012

which would have accomplished nothing.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
73. exactly
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:18 PM
Dec 2012

never has.

1gobluedem

(6,664 posts)
10. Oh, God
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:38 PM
Dec 2012

Kindergarteners. Beautiful, innocent children.

My four year old niece is in pre-K. What I would do if something like this happened at her school is beyond imagination. My heart is breaking for these children and their familes.

Maine-ah

(9,902 posts)
36. my daughter is in kindergarten.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:54 PM
Dec 2012

who the fuck would do this - FFS -


 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
37. So sad. These maniacs are dream-killers because they have lost their own.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:54 PM
Dec 2012

MrYikes

(720 posts)
92. I have read two of these threads, Yours is the first to have something negative to say
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:40 PM
Dec 2012

about the shooter. Out of over 200 posts, yours is the first. Good for you.

CTyankee

(63,926 posts)
56. I said to my husband that I can't imagine how terrified those parents must've been
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:05 PM
Dec 2012

driving to the school in a panic, wondering if it was their child...this is so heartbreaking all around...

rollin74

(1,993 posts)
15. ABC news reporting "more than a dozen dead" in this shooting
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:41 PM
Dec 2012
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
17. ABC NEWS: More Than a Dozen Killed, Including Children, at Connecticut Elementary School Shooting
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:42 PM
Dec 2012

More than a dozen people, including elementary school children, were shot and killed at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school this morning, federal and state sources tell ABC News.

A shooting involving two gunmen erupted at a Connecticut school this morning, prompting the town of Newtown to lock down all of its schools and draw SWAT teams to the school, authorities said today.

State Police confirm that one shooter is dead. A second gunman is apparently at large.

It's unclear how many people have been shot, but more than a dozen people including school children are dead, multiple federal and state sources tell ABC News.

MORE...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dozen-killed-including-children-connecticut-elementary-school-shooting/story?id=17973836#.UMtksm_ig2A

godai

(2,902 posts)
19. CBS...27
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:44 PM
Dec 2012

mainer

(12,034 posts)
21. TWO gunmen? This sounds like Columbine
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:44 PM
Dec 2012

not the typical lone gunman with a grievance.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
24. bbc LINK
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:46 PM
Dec 2012

'Many die' in US school shooting http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20730717

qanda

(10,422 posts)
28. I cannot stop crying
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:47 PM
Dec 2012

My heart just breaks for those kids and their families.

Baitball Blogger

(46,775 posts)
29. MSNBC says there are twenty children shot.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:47 PM
Dec 2012

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
39. Local news reported that 27 were shot.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:54 PM
Dec 2012

First report was that 12 were dead.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
32. this whole thread should be locked.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:50 PM
Dec 2012

KIDS GOT FUCKING SHOT. And people are attacking each other on gun control?

Give it a rest for a day. At least.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
45. For a day?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:57 PM
Dec 2012

Too early to talk about gun control again?

When will it be ok?

Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
51. How dare you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:02 PM
Dec 2012

Of course we need to talk about gun control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!They were not using pain guns and this happens way too often in this country. We need to discuss and discuss and come up with an answer, or a reasonable set of proposed laws/regulations/etc.

I am sick of any reasonable discussion being locked and sent to places owned by gun lobbyists and nuts.

Stuckinthebush

(10,847 posts)
55. +1
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:03 PM
Dec 2012

If not now, when?

happynewyear

(1,724 posts)
75. There is no "rationale" when it comes to guns
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:19 PM
Dec 2012

People that have them rejoice in owning them, are proud of them, find them comforting and seem to not care to read about stories like this which there are far too many of!

When you believe in something like guns, there is no rationale to be found. Who/when/what will the next victim(s) be?

I don't know about you but I for one am sick of reading about these horrors that are obviously killing our children! My god, kindergarteners?

May God help them!

to your post!

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
59. How is gun control supposed to be off topic here?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:08 PM
Dec 2012

happynewyear

(1,724 posts)
43. Both sad and sick
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:57 PM
Dec 2012

Simultaneously!



meegbear

(25,438 posts)
44. Associated Press: 27 dead, 18 children.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:57 PM
Dec 2012

Kablooie

(18,645 posts)
61. Holy crap.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:09 PM
Dec 2012

mainer

(12,034 posts)
47. Latest reports say shooter was a student's father
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:58 PM
Dec 2012

which does not square with there being 2 gunmen.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
74. Reports also say the shooter was 20 years old
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:19 PM
Dec 2012

That's awfully young to be the father of a child in elementary school.

mainer

(12,034 posts)
86. lates update is 24 years old
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:36 PM
Dec 2012

and he attacked a kindergarten, so he could theoretically be a father.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
48. Here is the live video from the scene.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:00 PM
Dec 2012

Stuckinthebush

(10,847 posts)
52. Why? Jesus christ why?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:02 PM
Dec 2012

F-ed up people with easy access to guns. Great.

So I guess we will all shake our collective heads and bemoan the fact that someone should have noticed that this person was mentally ill sooner and that, goodness, what has become of our society.

Meanwhile another mentally unstable person is buying a semi-automatic rifle somewhere at a gun show.

Children. Damn.

CTyankee

(63,926 posts)
62. No wonder people in emerging democracies around the world don't want to use our
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:09 PM
Dec 2012

U.S. Constitution as a "model" one anymore. In many of those countries they have seen enough gun violence in their society.They must think our Supreme Court is nuts over its rulings on gun control of late...

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
64. That's probably a fair assessment.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:12 PM
Dec 2012

.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
54. most of the dead were in kindergarten?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:03 PM
Dec 2012

WTF?

How can anybody do that?

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
57. WAS THE SHOOTER ON PSYCHOACTIVE MEDICATION(S)? Can we please start asking the question?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:05 PM
Dec 2012

See: http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?sort=date&p=



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What Drug Date Where Additional
Suicide Effexor 2011-11-11 England Lawyer Impulsively Jumps In Front of Train: Effexor, like All A/D's, Can Cause Impulsivness
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-11-11 England Physician Kills Himself Shortly After Starting an A/D
Personality Drained Away/Huge Weight Gain Med For Depression 2011-11-10 England After Many Years on A/D's, Man Felt Like His Personaity Was Drained Away & He Became Obese
Violence Med For Depression 2011-11-10 Canada Man Strikes an Ax at a Neighbor
Death Antidepressant 2011-11-10 England 23 Year Old Woman Dies of Cardio-Respiratory Arrest: High Level of A/D's in Body: No Alcohol or Drug
Suicide Celexa Antidepressant 2011-11-10 England Woman, 73, Kills Herself While on Celexa
Murder-Suicide Prozac 2011-11-09 California Man Kills Two Police Officers & Himself
Heart Disease Med For Depression 2011-11-09 Global ++Depression Meds Are More Likely to Cause Heart Disease
Murder Attempt Med For Depression 2011-11-08 Malta/Mediterranean Man Attempts to Murder Uncle With Hammer: Confused & Agitated
Bizarre Behavior Lexapro & Desyrel Antidepressants 2011-11-08 California +Famous Actress Kim Richards Exhibits Bizarre Behavior on TV
Dulled Mind/Numbed Body Zoloft 2011-11-07 Georgia Woman Physician Quits Zoloft: Tells How She Recovered From Depression
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-11-07 Texas Woman Drives Her Car Into Lake
Suicide Antidepressants 2011-11-05 Ohio Soldier, 22, Kills Himself: Black Box Warning on Suicidality for This Age Group
Robbery/Bizarre Med For Depression 2011-11-04 England Man Steals 54 Supermarket Trolleys: Doesn't Know Why: Recent Change in Depression Med
Murder-Suicide Attempt Med For Depression 2011-11-03 New Jersey Mother Kills her Six Year Old Son: Attempts Suicide
Violence Antidepressant Withdrawal 2011-11-03 New York Man Attacks Mail Carrier: Beats Him Violently For No Reason
Suicide Prozac 2011-11-02 England Groomsman Hangs Himself the Day of Sister's Wedding
DUI Paxil 2011-11-01 Connecticut No Alcohol Involved: Woman Crashes Into Car in CVS Parking Lot
Suicidal Thoughts Med For Depression 2011-11-01 New York Vassar Student on Med For Depression Feels Like Killing Herself
Affair With Minor Med For Depression 2011-11-01 Alabama +Woman School Teacher Molests 15 Year Old Male Student
Worsening Condition Zoloft 2011-10-31 U.S.A. Child With Autism Conditions Severly Worsens While on Zoloft
Murder Med For Depression & Bipolar Illness 2011-10-31 South Carolina Mother Kills her Two Sons, Her Husband and Her Step-Mother
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-10-29 Nebraska 18 Year Old Kills Himself
Murder Med For Depression & Alcohol 2011-10-28 Scotland Man Kills Ex-Partner In Front of Their Children
Murder Med For Depression 2011-10-27 Washington DC Father Murders his 17 Year Old Daughter: One Day Withdrawal
Murder-Suicide Meds For Depression & Anxiety 2011-10-27 New York Lawyer Kills his Wife, Two Children & Himself
Ineffective Wellbutrin/Zyban 2011-10-27 Global ++Ineffective in Smokers with Post Acute Myocardial Infarction: Journal Article
Workplace Violence Med For Depression 2011-10-26 Nevada Man Shoots & Injures 3 Managers at Wal-Mart in Oct. 2010: Trial Has Begun
Suicide Antidepressants + Sleeping Med 2011-10-26 Australia Asylum Seeker Commits Suicide
Assault Paxil 2011-10-26 Virginia Woman Assaults Police Officer
Flawed Data Meds For Depression 2011-10-26 U.S.A. ++Black Box Warning for Adolescents & Suicide Showed a Decline in Suicides After 2004
School Stabbing Med For Depression 2011-10-25 Washington **Girl, 15, Stabs Two Girls in School Restroom: 1 Is In Critical Condition
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-10-25 England Woman Plummets From Top Floor of Shopping Center
Affair With Minors Zoloft 2011-10-24 Ohio +Woman School Teacher Molests Five of Her Male Students
False Information Antidepressant 2011-10-24 Global ++Pharmaceutical Co. Listed Emotional Liability For The Suicide Attempts During Clinical Trials
Robbery Med For Depression 2011-10-24 Wisconsin Man of Good Character Tries to Rob Bank
Statisitcs Med For Depression 2011-10-24 U.S.A. ++One-Fourth of Women in Their Forties & Fifties Take Depression Meds
Murder Med For Depression 2011-10-23 Nebraska Live-In Boyfriend Kills his Girlfriend
Violence Med For Depression Withdrawal & Alcohol 2011-10-23 England Man Engages in Frenzied Attacks Two Nights in a Row
Murder Zoloft 2011-10-22 Oregon Four Dead: Man Kills his Father, Step-Mother & Two Others: Possible Withdrawal
Violence Med For Depression 2011-10-22 Massachusetts Woman Knifes Another Woman in the Face: Given 1 Year in Prison
Suicide Suspected Prozac 2011-10-21 California Man Given Double-Dose of Prozac One Week Before He Disappears: Suicide Suspected
Suicide Prozac 2011-10-21 Florida Woman Drowns Herself
Bizarre Behavior Antidepressants 2011-10-20 Idaho Man Wraps Grandmother's Body in a Tarp & Throws in the River After She Has Heart Attack
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-10-18 Canada 15 Year Old Boy Kills Self: Wrote That his Med For Depression Was Not Working
Suicide Antidepressant 2011-10-17 Arizona Postpartum: Mother Prescribed Med For Depression Commits Suicide
Hypomania & Confusion Med For Depression 2011-10-17 U.S.A. Man Becomes Hypomanic & Confused After Taking Depression Med For a Stroke
Shooting Rampage Desyrel Antidepressant & Mood Stabilizer 2011-10-16 California Eight People Dead in Shooting Massacre at a Beauty Parlor
Ineffective Meds For Depression 2011-10-14 Global ++True Drug Effects Were Neglibile for Patients With Mild, Moderate and Even Severe Depression
Violence Med For Depression 2011-10-14 Canada Man Stabs to Death his Beloved Dog and his Two Cats
Murder-Suicide Celexa Antidepressant & a Benzo 2011-10-13 New Hampshire Husband Kills Wife & Himself
Violence Med for Depression 2011-10-13 Pennsylvania Father Gets 5 to 10 Years for Shaking his 3 Month Old Baby: Serious Injuries
Suicide Med For Depression Withdrawal 2011-10-12 Iraq/Tennessee Soldier Kills Self: Family Sues VA Hospital
Murder Attempt Med For Depression 2011-10-12 Canada Mother Attempts to Kill her Two Young Child: Change in her Depression Med Recently
Birth Defects Paxil 2011-10-11 U.S.A. Over 600 Lawsuits Filed for Birth Defects From Paxil
Violence Med For Depression 2011-10-11 England Former Chef Attacks Two Police Officers In House Rage
Robbery Med For Depression 2011-10-11 Scotland Thief Stole Phones From Bank: Had Taken Too Much of his Depression Med
Suicide Prozac 2011-10-11 England Postpartum: Mother of 10 Week Old Infant Kills Self: Recent Withdrawal
Blackouts Antidepressants & Alcohol 2011-10-10 U.S.A. ++Increased Chance of Blackouts Combining A/D's With Alcohol
Hallucinations Zoloft Antidepressant 2011-10-10 California Man Hallucinates For 3 Weeks Upon Taking 75 Mg. of Zoloft As Recreational Drug
Shooting Med For Depression 2011-10-10 New York Shooter in Daily Gazette Newspaper Office in Schenectady Now In Custody
Violence/Death Med For Depression 2011-10-09 New York Man Lunges at Bystanders & Police With a Knife: Is Killed by Police
Hypomania & Worsening Depression Antidepressants 2011-10-09 Global Antidepressants Can Cause Worsening Depression & Hypomania: Psychologist's Report
Felony Med For Depression 2011-10-09 Massachusetts Man Faces Multiple Charges Following Chase With Pregnant Passenger in His Car
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-10-07 England Man's Personality Changed After He Started A/D: Became Paranoid: Killed Self
Worsening Condition Zoloft 2011-10-07 Florida College Student Becomes Worse on Zoloft: Forced to Quit University
Suicide Paxil 2011-10-07 New Mexico Lawsuit Won: $3.2 Million: Woman's Behavior is Bizarre After Taking Paxil: Kills Self
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-10-06 England Suicide Note Left by Man Who Hung Himself
Relapse Antidepressants & Psychiatric Meds 2011-10-06 Global Taken Over a Long Period of Time Those on Meds Are More Likely to Relapse Than the Un-Medicated
Suicides Med For Depression 2011-10-06 Australia Two 16 Year Old Girls Kill Themselvs: Both on Antidepressants: Questions to Be Answered
Less Effective for PTSD Lexapro 2011-10-06 Global Studies in Israel Show Psychotherapy More Effective Than Lexapro For PTSD
Birth Defect/Death Zoloft 2011-10-05 Ohio Parents Claim Pfizer Covered Up Studies Showing This Birth Defect: Lawsuit
Shoplifting Med For Depression 2011-10-04 Canada Woman Shoplifts Whle On New Depression Med
Violence Med For Depression 2011-10-03 Illinois Man Threatens Murder/Suicide: Two Shots Fired: 2 Day Withdrawal
Ineffective Med For Depression 2011-10-03 Michigan Man Who Killed 7 People Said Medicine Didn't Help: Possible Withdrawal?
Murder Med For Depression 2011-10-03 Missouri Life In Prison For Man Who Killed Woman In a Park
Suicide Attempt Antidepressant 2011-10-02 Canada 15 Year Old Boy Attempts Suicide: Recovers When Taken Off Medication For Depression
Violence Med For Depression & Alcohol 2011-10-01 England Man Attacks Friend: Combo of A/D & Alcohol: Most Dangerous Combination
Stand-Off With Police/Suicide Med For Depression 2011-10-01 England Man Has Stand-Off: Kills Himself
Worsening Condition Antidepressants & Antipsychotics 2011-09-30 Texas Teen Girl's Cutting & Self Harm Increased While on Meds: Decreased After Discontinuing Meds
Suicide Antidepressants 2011-09-28 Washington/N Dakota Woman's Son Kills Self: Mother is Now a Member of Suicide Suvivor's Club
Suicide Prozac 2011-09-28 England 15 Year Old Daughter of Well-Known Artist Commits Suicide
Suicide Antidepressants 2011-09-28 England Builder, 37 Years Old, Takes His Own Life
Murder Med For Depression 2011-09-27 Virginia Grandmother Kills 2 Year Old Granddaughter: 2 Day Withdrawal
Embezzlement Med For Depression 2011-09-27 England Woman Treasurer of Children's Group Steals 10,000 English Pounds
Suicide-By-Cop Antidepressant 2011-09-27 Australia Man Shot to Death by Police While Trying to Commit Suicide
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-09-26 California Famous Singer, Vesta Williams, Commits Suicide
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-09-25 Nebraska Male Nurse Kills Himself
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-09-24 Washington 43 Year Old Man Drowns Himself
Murder Antidepressants 2011-09-23 California Woman Kills: Had Long History of A/D Use With Bizarre & Hostile Behavior Associated With A/D Use
Death/Early Psychiatric Medications 2011-09-23 Global Psychiatric Meds Are Causing Early Deaths & Health Care Workers Know This
Suicide Antidepressants 2011-09-22 England IT Engineer Kills Himself
Restless Leg Syndrome SSRIs 2011-09-21 Global ++Both Children & Adults Have Huge Increase in RLS While on SSRIs: Journal Article
Murder Med For Depression 2011-09-20 Illinois Triple Murder: Man Kills 3 People
Oil Spill Zoloft & Painkiller 2011-09-20 California Captain on Zoloft: $44 Million Dollar Settlement for Oil Spill
Murder Prozac 2011-09-20 Alabama Woman Kills Her Husband 53 Days After Wedding
Arson Med For Depression 2011-09-20 Texas Woman Sets Five Fires to Five Different Buildings
DWI-2 Prozac & Alcohol 2011-09-20 Arkansas Woman Arresting for Speeding
Suicide Attempt Antidepressants 2011-09-19 Ireland Postparum: Rock Star's Wife Attempts Suicide
Death Effexor 2011-09-19 Canada Two Babies Die: Autopsy Lists Effexor as Possible Contributing Factor
Murder Antidepressants 2011-09-17 Oklahoma Two Day Withdrawal: Man Shoots Stepdaughter's Friend
Murder Antidepressant 2011-09-16 Rhode Island Mother Kills Her 8 Year Old Daughter: Trial in Progress
Murder Prozac 2011-09-16 Canada *16 Year Old Stabs 15 Year Old: Will Be Tried in Youth Court Because of Bad Reaction to Prozac
Murder Med For Depression 2011-09-16 Canada Grandmother Kills her 2 Grandchildren: Had Just Started a New Med
Vehicular Homicide Antidepressants 2011-09-15 Georgia Woman Kills 3 Teen-aged pedestrians: Obstructs Officer
Fraud Med For Depression 2011-09-15 Mississippi Woman Working at Health Clinic Commits Fraud
Stand-Off With Police Med For Depression Withdrawal 2011-09-14 West Virginia Man Has 3 Hour Stand-Off With Police: Threatens Suicide & Harm to Others

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
68. NO, because people don't want the truth.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:15 PM
Dec 2012

They get sexually aroused when a half truth coincides with their political aspirations.

BigDemVoter

(4,158 posts)
60. And we'll hear yet more bullshit. . .
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:08 PM
Dec 2012

"Guns don't kill people-- people kill people!"

Sheesh-- when will this country learn? How many random mass shootings do we have to have?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
77. A gun is never brought to trial. Murderers are.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:23 PM
Dec 2012

Stuckinthebush

(10,847 posts)
80. Unless they kill themselves with their semi-automatic weapon
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:26 PM
Dec 2012

along with 20+ kids.

No trial. Just dead people.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
82. Yeo. That's how these psychopaths operate. And
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:33 PM
Dec 2012

they will not be stopped as long as they can kill unresisted.

Stuckinthebush

(10,847 posts)
88. Let's arm the children
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:36 PM
Dec 2012

Shoot out in the K-5 school.

BigDemVoter

(4,158 posts)
83. Oh boy, you're stupid and tiresome-- You are now on IGNORE
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:34 PM
Dec 2012

Jon Ace

(243 posts)
67. So, MO speculation?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:15 PM
Dec 2012

My guesses:

End-of-the-world cultist
Homegrown terrorist
Random psychopath

I'll lean towards the last one, but you never really know.

Lasher

(27,660 posts)
84. The presence of two gunmen indicates conspiracy.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:34 PM
Dec 2012

If that report is accurate, it rules out a random psychopath. I'm guessing it was terrorists, either homegrown or otherwise.

 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
87. this smelled of terrorism from the beginning.
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:36 PM
Dec 2012
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
91. Horrifying and deeply sad. Words really can't express
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:38 PM
Dec 2012

the feelings. Just

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
95. Locking as duplicate. Please continue the discussion here...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:43 PM
Dec 2012

Original posting
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014336138


Updated thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014336450

Thank you for your understanding during this tragedy.

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