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Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:23 PM

McConnell, Paul Urge Governor To Seek Disaster Declaration Because Of Low River Flow

Source: Associated Press

FRANKFORT, Kentucky U.S. Sens. Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul are urging Gov. Steve Beshear to seek a federal disaster declaration because of the potential economic consequences of a drought that has led to low water levels on the Mississippi River.

Beshear said Friday he appreciates their concern and that he's closely monitoring the situation.

McConnell and Paul said in a letter to Beshear on Thursday that commercial traffic on the river could "come to a complete halt in coming days" unless the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers takes action to increase the water flow.

"We are informed that shipment of over $7 billion in goods on the Mississippi River could be blocked over the coming months due to this entirely avoidable event," they wrote.

Read more: http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/e67caeb26ea14374b0a235e7969ea789/KY--Kentucky-River-Shipping



Send these 'small and limited gov't' hypocrites a box of shovels and tell them to 'start dredging'...

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Reply McConnell, Paul Urge Governor To Seek Disaster Declaration Because Of Low River Flow (Original post)
Purveyor Dec 2012 OP
dballance Dec 2012 #1
wickerwoman Dec 2012 #7
Berlum Dec 2012 #37
wordpix Dec 2012 #55
liberalmike27 Dec 2012 #61
no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #2
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #3
freshwest Dec 2012 #4
oldhippydude Dec 2012 #20
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #26
Joe Bacon Dec 2012 #60
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #5
oldhippydude Dec 2012 #24
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #28
oldhippydude Dec 2012 #42
NickB79 Dec 2012 #49
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #52
geek tragedy Dec 2012 #6
LynneSin Dec 2012 #11
BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #22
KansDem Dec 2012 #34
Plucketeer Dec 2012 #8
TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #9
dballance Dec 2012 #14
TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #10
KamaAina Dec 2012 #12
KansDem Dec 2012 #30
tabasco Dec 2012 #54
KamaAina Dec 2012 #57
cstanleytech Dec 2012 #13
DallasNE Dec 2012 #15
Smilo Dec 2012 #16
progressoid Dec 2012 #17
UCmeNdc Dec 2012 #18
Beowulf Dec 2012 #19
durablend Dec 2012 #21
sakabatou Dec 2012 #23
RedCloud Dec 2012 #25
world wide wally Dec 2012 #27
matt819 Dec 2012 #29
AAO Dec 2012 #31
onehandle Dec 2012 #32
jsr Dec 2012 #33
Berlum Dec 2012 #35
Kber Dec 2012 #36
Liberal1975 Dec 2012 #40
Kber Dec 2012 #41
libdem4life Dec 2012 #46
Liberal1975 Dec 2012 #38
skrempi313 Dec 2012 #39
libdem4life Dec 2012 #43
Kolesar Dec 2012 #44
Enrique Dec 2012 #45
madrchsod Dec 2012 #47
Dont call me Shirley Dec 2012 #48
aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #50
NickB79 Dec 2012 #51
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #53
wordpix Dec 2012 #56
Rider3 Dec 2012 #58
Paladin Dec 2012 #59
ROBROX Dec 2012 #62
Wolf Frankula Dec 2012 #63
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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:26 PM

1. Well, Shouldn't the "market" and private corporations being doing something about this?

I mean according to these two government intrusion is the problem, not the solution. How many CEO's who ship goods on the Mississippi river have they talked to about doing their part?

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Response to dballance (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:41 PM

7. They are.

They're syphoning off all the water to agribusinesses, bottled water companies, cooling nuclear power plants, etc. who aren't paying a penny for it. Then they can get tax-payer relief money on top of it for the "drought".

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Response to wickerwoman (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:01 PM

37. Excellent tabulation of the truth

Republican Socialism for corporations has led to these dire straights. Republicans 1% Socialists get their Money for Nothing...

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Response to Berlum (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:15 PM

55. very good points

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Response to wordpix (Reply #55)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:51 PM

61. You Want Disaster Relief?

OK, just admit Climate Change is a real thing, and we'll see what we can do.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:26 PM

2. Less of a libertarian these days, huh?

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:26 PM

3. But ...

Mr. mcconnell and, especially, Mr. rand ... you do realize that the Governor declaring a disaster triggers FEDERAL action, right?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:30 PM

4. Not when you're an entitled to rule teapublican, no! 'Take that back, that's a lie!'

At least that's what they'll say if confronted for their beggarity.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:17 PM

20. i can see it now.... our President in a photo op with Mitch & Rand

just think what that would do to the tea party...

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Response to oldhippydude (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:31 PM

26. Make sure that photo op happens.

And then blast it throughout the media world in Kentucky. Keep reminding teabaggers that McConnell and Paul ask for govt intrusion. Make sure the eastern Kentuckians think the govt will invade their lands because of their Senators.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:40 AM

60. Wait a second, they're not holding a Prayer-A-Thon?

Gosh, it worked such wonders when Rick Perry ordered the Prayer-A-Thon for Rain in Texas. And the drought got a whole lot worse...

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:31 PM

5. IMO the disaster declaration is at most weeks away

There really is no sign of the sort of precip needed.

Which crisis is worse? High traffic costs this year, or no water to support the Missouri valley next spring?

Good time to have stock in the Canadian National RR. The ol Illinois Central is gonna be a busy rail-way working things around low water in the mid-river.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:19 PM

24. who has ICG now?.... i'm sure its been consolidated into one of big 5

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Response to oldhippydude (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:33 PM

28. Canadian National owns the IC

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:26 PM

42. thanks.. as a model railroader i remember the fallen flags..

i just don't always remember who ate them...

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:25 PM

49. What do you want, food or transport?

Because without that water held back, next year's irrigation plans are shot to hell. And since it's now almost guaranteed that next year will be another year of drought in the US Breadbasket, that water is more vital than ever.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:31 PM

52. Exactly. The Corps can dredge, the railroads can haul freight

but no one can make major weather patterns that bring the needed rain.

Mother nature is asking for a reality check.

But, I expect the disaster declaration it will release funds for dredging in the mid-river section. I'm not sure what can be done to really help reduce shipping expenses.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:33 PM

6. Approve Sandy-related relief, and then we can talk.

Until, go pound sand.

"You built that!"

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:05 PM

11. That's exactly what I'm thinking

thank you!

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:18 PM

22. Exactly!

Why doesn't McConnell use some of those tens of millions he "made" in a few years to help his constituents instead of asking for MORE Federal welfare?

Kentucky is already 11th at getting Federal funding, taking in more than they send to the U.S. Gov:

2007-2009 Federal taxes paid, avg.: $23.80 billion
2007-2009 Federal funding received, avg.: $46.61 billion
2007-2009 Amount received per tax dollar paid, avg.: $1.96
2007-2009 Change in federal funding received: +43%
http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2011/04/04/state-finances.html#slide11

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:51 PM

34. Right! "You built that" now "You dredge that!"

Get to work, moochers!!!


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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:47 PM

8. LOL!!!

The governor of New Jersey needs to send Mitch and Rand some of whatever he's been drinkin'!

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:54 PM

9. Aw, now who's running to big gummint?

Up yours, you two clowns.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:29 PM

14. I know. Such Hypocrites.

Now that it suits their needs - and their needs are getting re-elected in 2014 - they're willing to go to the Feds so when they campaign they can tell the voters about how they did everything they could to protect jobs during this horrible drought that certainly has nothing to do with global climate change.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:56 PM

10. I think Pres. Obama should

declare McConnell and Paul major disaster areas.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:08 PM

12. Or at least Paul's rug

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:10 PM

54. Tell me that's a photoshop!

LOL - what a dork!

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Response to tabasco (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:22 PM

57. Okay, it's a photoshop.

There. I told you.

But it's still a rug. Voted "worst toupee in the universe" at that site.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:08 PM

13. Odd, wasnt Rand saying the Red Cross and Salvation Army are better than the feds

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:31 PM

15. The Law Governing The Corp Of Engineers

Is quite specific and requires a balance between competing needs. Drop the water levels in upstream dams and the recreation people would scream. Interestingly, only a year ago traffic on the Mississippi was hampered by high water on the Mississippi. Climate change is causing a lot of disruptions and that will not turn around until something more is done about greenhouse gas releases and these climate deniers are contributing to their own problem.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:46 PM

16. It's not just them - the GOP states are such hypocrits

it is amazing how many delcare federal emergencies at the drop of a hat.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:46 PM

17. Hey Mitch... Rand...

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:57 PM

18. Why don't they go to private industry to solve the problem?

Leave your government hands off my drought water levels.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:14 PM

19. They can have their disaster relief

after they increase taxes on the rich to pay for it!

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:17 PM

21. Where's Halliburton when they need them..... n/t

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:18 PM

23. Do these two deny climate change?

Just wondering.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:26 PM

25. Let the free market fix it.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:31 PM

27. As the Governor of S.D. said (and I'm sure this include McConnell and Paul) They are able bodied men

So let them get to work pronto.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:37 PM

29. Hmm. . . I don't believe that's my problem

Or that of the federal government. Shame about that small government thing, hey?

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:49 PM

31. No money for turtle impersonators!

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:49 PM

32. Cut off and isolate tax sucking red states. nt

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:49 PM

33. Why do they need the feral guvmint?

Have they tried prayer??

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:59 PM

35. Send them Rush "Climate Liar" Limbaugh (R) and his freaking Golden Mic

that's all the help they should need, since all compliant Republican Socialism-for-the-Rich Wankers choose to believe the lies about climate change.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:00 PM

36. My initial reaction, as a NJ resident is to tell them to go pound sand

but then, I'd be giving into their (and especially Rand's) world view that divides Americans against Americans.

We are one country and we have a federal government so that one state or region that is suffering can be helped out by another that has the ability to do so.

Someday California might need wild fire relief. Or Texas may get hit by a superstorm. Or Michigan may suffer when the Great Lakes water level drops too low.

I am an American. I refuse to let someone else's petty "us versus them" mentality goad me into acting otherwise.

(oh - and i assume the Sandy relief check is in the mail, right?)

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Response to Kber (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:08 PM

40. I am not bashing the people

Of Kentucky, my states southern neighbor (hell its possible we might be next) And of course no one is suggesting that any aid be withheld from any American who needs it. But these two pieces of SHIT who have made political careers out of turning the people against each other and against their government need to be hammered HARD for their pathological hypocrisy.

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Response to Liberal1975 (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:25 PM

41. Well I'll drink to that!

they are shits and they need to be called out and treated as such

(i.e. with rubber gloves and a toilet plunger)

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Response to Kber (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:38 PM

46. It is not "Us vs. Them". That's their insanity and false equivalent. It's me...me...me...me...me

To hell with you. It is not inappropriate to call out adult-children for misbehavior or social/political/human illiteracy. We fund their ignorance and their lack of social responsibility and holding them accountable is the adult thing to do.

Obama and FEMA and whatever other federal government agency they suddenly want to participate in...go on Meet the Press and the other pundit shows and publicly request the funds you've gone on there and made fun of. Do it. Then we'll talk about helping out your constituents with federal funds.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:01 PM

38. Obama should do it...

I would love to see the photos of tea bagging protesters with signs that read "keep your govt hands off my federal disaster relief"...
Hey, I thought the scariest thing was someone saying I'm from the government and I'm here to Help. Isn't that the funny St. Ronald douchebag coined?

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:04 PM

39. Don't They Need To Hype Spending Cuts First

 

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:28 PM

43. State's Rights equal State's Responsibilities equals Small Government.

So let me get this straight. One year you want federal funding for flooding, the next you want federal funding to manage your drought. Yet another year you want federal funding for tornadoes and hurricanes and the like.

These are called Acts of God. Perhaps your god forgot his/her end of your Grand Bargain, as we're pretty certain it isn't to punish the gays and sinners and such even in your back yard. Then there's that Romney guy... Time to get on your knees and filibuster to your god who seems to be acting up quite a bit in your region.

But, we liberals will probably, yet again, step in and with our socialist tax dollars and kind hearts send you the funds you need. It's all about the thing we call a Social Network. Grown ups understand that. So grow up, already.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:32 PM

44. "to demolish rock formations that could cause a bottleneck for shipping on the river."

This has been known for years and will take a long period to ameliorate. This isn't a "disaster declaration" after towns or infrastructure were destroyed.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:35 PM

45. deny them the funds for their own good

we don't want them to become dependent.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:00 PM

47. this is`t the time to get political...

if there is`t enough snow or rain it`s going to cost this country ten`s to hundreds of billions of dollars in added costs. there`s a few rail lines and inadequate road system to handle the traffic at the port of new orleans.

do the math...one barge holds 70 trailers of goods

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:22 PM

48. Oh now mcCONnell and paul want gubmint handouts?! They want dem entatlemints?!

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:26 PM

50. Another red state looking for help...



from the back-wards, liberal, agnostic blue states, and the mean evil federal government.


Do voters in these states understand just what hippocrates they really are?

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:28 PM

51. GOP hypocrisy aside, that is a massive disaster in the making

Without barge traffic, the upper Midwest's economy will be hurt badly. Without significant rain and snow over the next few months, our ability to grow staple crops like wheat, corn and soy will be devastated.

Climate change is driving this drought, and we can look forward to this kind of hard decision much more often going forward into the next decade and beyond. Welcome to the new world we have created.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:42 PM

53. APNewsBreak: Corps not budging on Miss. River flap

ST. LOUIS (AP) The Army Corps of Engineers has turned back requests by federal lawmakers and the barge industry to release more water from the Missouri River, believing the drought-starved Mississippi River it feeds still will remain open to shipping despite mounting concerns about water levels.

Army Assistant Secretary Jo-Ellen Darcy, in a Thursday letter obtained by The Associated Press, told lawmakers from Mississippi River states she doesn't consider it necessary to boost Missouri River flows into the Mississippi something the politicians urgently had sought.

Read the rest at: http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-corps-not-budging-miss-river-flap-160747106.html

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:20 PM

56. maybe it will occur to these a-holes that their river is not some oil field to be mined

You have to take care of it. Stop taking for irrigation, sprawl, fracking and the like, and start giving back, why don't you?

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:47 AM

58. Takers!

It's ok if THEY need government assistance....

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:55 AM

59. Wassamatta, Rand---Can't John Galt Fix This For You? (nt)


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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:44 PM

62. DRY IN THE WINTER AND DRYER THIS SUMMER

 

Get ready for WAR WARS. We in the west have gotten use to water wars and we do not require federal emergency aid. we have utilized federal funds to work out a solution to sharing water.

The private enterprise should find a solution for getting their CRAP to where it needs to send it and then pay for it the good old AMERICAN way with CORPORATE money.....

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:06 PM

63. Don't you silly Liberals Understand?

Not taking Federal money is for OTHER PEOPLE, not conservatives like us! We're entitled to all the public largess and small ess we can grab. It's for OTHER PEOPLE to do without what we call handouts.

TAKE THE 1% OFF WELFARE!!

Wolf

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:40 PM

64. Newly converted Environmentalists. Time for the Liberal Grownups. I'd vote for Ashley Judd.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:36 PM

65. Sorry guys. Don't want KY to turn into a socialist paradise

grab your bootstraps.

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