Biden may have trouble getting on Ohio's general election ballot, state's top election official warns
Source: nbc
In a letter to Ohios Democratic Party chair, Secretary of State Frank LaRose warns that the Democratic National Convention will take place after a state deadline to declare a candidate.
Updated April 6, 2024, 1:43 PM CDT By Emma Barnett and Alexandra Marquez
Ohios secretary of state on Friday signaled that the Democratic National Convention may take place too late for President Joe Biden to appear on the general election ballot in the state, according to a letter obtained by NBC News.
The Democratic National Convention is scheduled to convene on August 19, 2024, which occurs more than a week after the August 7 deadline to certify a presidential candidate to the office, Secretary of State Frank LaRose wrote to Ohio Democratic Party Chairwoman Liz Walters.
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In the note, LaRose goes on to say that the oversight can be rectified in two ways: either by the Democratic Party moving up its nominating convention or by getting the Ohio state legislature to create an exemption to this statutory requirement by May 9 in accordance with state law.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/biden-may-trouble-getting-ohios-general-election-ballot-rcna146706
This best get cleared up pronto!
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Bayard
(22,123 posts)Hikerchick57
(118 posts)KPN
(15,647 posts)So the Rs passed a law that moved the deadline for ballot access to August 9 knowing the D convention was scheduled for Aug. 19 in 2024? Fuck'Rs. When was this law passed?
24601
(3,962 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)Democratic National Convention was in August in 2020.
KPN
(15,647 posts)LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)In Texas, Abbott moved the primary runoff from May to July. He added extra weeks of early voting to both the runoff and general election. This was done because the state was under emergency Covid orders.
Governors can also temporarily amend election codes during natural disasters etc.
LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)(3) Certified to the secretary of state for placement on the presidential ballot by authorized officials of a minor political party that has held a state or national convention for the purpose of choosing those candidates or that may, without a convention, certify those candidates in accordance with the procedure authorized by its party rules. The officials shall certify the names of those candidates to the secretary of state on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election. The certification shall be accompanied by a designation of a sufficient number of presidential electors to satisfy the requirements of law.
24601
(3,962 posts)In each of those enclosed rectangular spaces, except the space provided for write-in candidates, shall be printed the names of the candidates for president and vice-president certified to the secretary of state or nominated in one of the following manners:
(1) Nominated by the national convention of a political party to which delegates and alternates were elected in this state at the next preceding primary election. A political party certifying candidates so nominated shall certify the names of those candidates to the secretary of state on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election.
(2) Nominated by nominating petition in accordance with section 3513.257 of the Revised Code. Such a petition shall be filed on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election to provide sufficient time to verify the sufficiency and accuracy of signatures on it.
(3) Certified to the secretary of state for placement on the presidential ballot by authorized officials of a minor political party that has held a state or national convention for the purpose of choosing those candidates or that may, without a convention, certify those candidates in accordance with the procedure authorized by its party rules. The officials shall certify the names of those candidates to the secretary of state on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election. The certification shall be accompanied by a designation of a sufficient number of presidential electors to satisfy the requirements of law.
The deadline is the same for each category - "...before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election."
https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3505.10
LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)If this law went into effect in 2014, what about the 2016 conventions?
In 2020, the date was changed due to Covid:
I know in Texas, the governor suspended part of the election code to allow runoffs to be held in July (instead of May) and allowed an extra week of early voting in both the runoff and general. So, I'm sure the governor of Ohio had similar executive orders.
KPN
(15,647 posts)MichMan
(11,958 posts)msongs
(67,433 posts)whopis01
(3,522 posts)to the state legislatures to decide how their electoral candidates are chosen.
intheflow
(28,494 posts)who to exclude from a ballot for federal office? Thats what I got from them overturning the Colorado SCOTUS ruling. And thats just on Trump being the presumptive candidate. Not saying the majority wouldnt uphold the OH law, just that it would be hypocritical to say the least.
whopis01
(3,522 posts)from holding Federal office.
Colorado attempted to remove Trump from the ballot on the basis that he was disqualified from holding Federal office. The Supreme Court decided (9-0) that the states did not have the power to disqualify for Federal positions. So since he wasnt disqualified, Colorado then had no basis for removing him from the ballot.
Every election has rules about when candidates must file, what they must do to be on the ballot, etc. and that is definitely within the states power to set.
PortTack
(32,787 posts)whopis01
(3,522 posts)I assume you were trying to make it look like you were quoting me, since you put it in quotes and all.
But what I said was how electoral candidates are chosen, not how candidates are chosen.
With that said, I realize I should have used the term electoral delegates to be clearer.
My point being that the state legislatures are given the power to set the method by which their electoral delegates are chosen. Since they choose to do this via statewide vote, their power includes setting the regulations for that vote, which includes deadlines for candidates to register.
In this case, the state legislature is not banning anyone from being a candidate. They are much smarter than that. They are just putting a deadline for registration.
Every election has registration deadlines. Just in this case the Republican controlled supermajority has picked a date that is purposely inconvenient for the Democratic Party. But there is nothing legally stopping them from doing that.
Marthe48
(17,006 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 6, 2024, 07:23 PM - Edit history (1)
he is a rwnj turd
Actually, thinking about it, larose would have some climbing to do to get to the lowest level. Be like scaling Mt. Everest after he crawled out from under a rock.
ananda
(28,873 posts)Period
patphil
(6,196 posts)It should be simple to move the convention date up 4 weeks or so into July.
After all, it's a foregone conclusion that Joe Biden is the candidate.
Anyone who thinks the Ohio State Legislature will create an exemption is simply not rational.
They would love to keep Biden/Harris off the ballot. Not only would it be an uncontested win for the electoral votes, and deny Biden/Harris millions of popular votes, but it would hurt down ballot races.
Also, it would be a huge propaganda win for the Republicans. Imagine the headline, "Democrat Stupidity costs Biden spot on Ohio Presidential ballot".
I never want to see that headline.
LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)Each state also has their own convention first. Those conventions determine the delegates to the national convention. We had our primary March 5th, but our convention is June 6-8.
progressoid
(49,992 posts)Gosh, I wonder if they would be so magnanimous...
PatrickforB
(14,586 posts)in favor of reality and make a sweeping victory happen. THEN we can clean house.
But for now, let's just be on the ballot, shall we?
LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)Have you ever planned a national convention?
Texas is struggling because they planned their state convention at El Paso instead of a larger city. Texas booked El Paso two years ago.
Convention centers are booked all over the country. We can't go to podunk. There are too many delegates, events etc.
patphil
(6,196 posts)Given that Biden has the nomination wrapped up, there is only two things to do.
1) make it official.
2) be sure to get on the ballot in all 50 states.
Actually what they could do is hold a pre-convention meeting on the internet, and make the Biden/Harris ticket official. After that they could still have the main convention to settle everything else.
It's a matter of priorities here, and this time the convention itself is a lot lower on the list than getting on the ballot.
LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)(3) Certified to the secretary of state for placement on the presidential ballot by authorized officials of a minor political party that has held a state or national convention for the purpose of choosing those candidates or that may, without a convention, certify those candidates in accordance with the procedure authorized by its party rules. The officials shall certify the names of those candidates to the secretary of state on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election. The certification shall be accompanied by a designation of a sufficient number of presidential electors to satisfy the requirements of law.
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The Democratic Party is not considered a "minor party". Minor party: Green and Libertarian
patphil
(6,196 posts)LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)Democratic Party is considered a major party in Ohio
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Democratic party is a minor political party, since he is claiming that Biden will have issues getting on the ballot.
LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)They outlined out how the Democrats would determine delegates with one set of rules and how the Republicans would determine delegates with another set of rules. (Rules that are determined by both political parties)
No other political party delegate rules were mentioned.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)In each of those enclosed rectangular spaces, except the space provided for write-in candidates, shall be printed the names of the candidates for president and vice-president certified to the secretary of state or nominated in one of the following manners:
(1) Nominated by the national convention of a political party to which delegates and alternates were elected in this state at the next preceding primary election. A political party certifying candidates so nominated shall certify the names of those candidates to the secretary of state on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election.
(2) Nominated by nominating petition in accordance with section 3513.257 of the Revised Code. Such a petition shall be filed on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election to provide sufficient time to verify the sufficiency and accuracy of signatures on it.
(3) Certified to the secretary of state for placement on the presidential ballot by authorized officials of a minor political party that has held a state or national convention for the purpose of choosing those candidates or that may, without a convention, certify those candidates in accordance with the procedure authorized by its party rules. The officials shall certify the names of those candidates to the secretary of state on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election. The certification shall be accompanied by a designation of a sufficient number of presidential electors to satisfy the requirements of law.
The deadline is the same for each category - "...before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election."
https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3505.10
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)So then I went looking till I found the letter.
Darn. I wish you'd been right!
Traurigkeit
(230 posts)and to think ONCE the Republicans Party was the "Party for Business"
DNC can just put in the paperwork on Monday, August 5th, 2024 and cancel the convention.
no extra money for businesses in Ohio due to the Republcian Party in Ohio.
MichMan
(11,958 posts)Not understanding why Ohio would lose business.
Why would the DNC hire Ohio businesses for a convention in Illinois?
yardwork
(61,690 posts)Ohio knows this.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,383 posts)rendering the convention vote to be 'ceremonial'....
Fucking Ohio Republicans, someone should drop a house on them!
The Bopper
(187 posts)they do it in Russia and Communist China, why would anyone be surprised.
C_U_L8R
(45,014 posts)These corrupt assholes deserve to be shot into space to live on a dismal asteroid where they won't bother anybody anymore. What total shitheels.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,014 posts)Nasruddin
(754 posts)Most Republican conventions in the past few decades wouldn't have qualified either.
One of them at least ran into September.
mackdaddy
(1,528 posts)Sounds like some Ohio Republican Fuckery again.
oasis
(49,398 posts)orleans
(34,071 posts)2000: aug 14 - 17
2004: july 26 - 29
2008: aug 25 - 28
2012: sept 4 - 6
2016: july 25-28
2020: orig. scheduled july 13 - 16 but was changed due to covid to aug. 17 - 20
i couldn't find out when they changed that fucking law/rule or whatever those assholes are calling it
calimary
(81,421 posts)Or an attempted dirty trick?
ZonkerHarris
(24,242 posts)Hope22
(1,849 posts)oasis
(49,398 posts)AverageOldGuy
(1,540 posts)If its the state convention, hold it via ZOOM tomorrow and screw the Ohio Sec Stsre.
LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)TexasDem69
(1,813 posts)This is bullshit, but those electoral college votes are going to Trump in any event.
LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)Sherrod Brown is running for re-election.
patphil
(6,196 posts)But, more importantly, it's the down ballot elections, like for senate, that are at stake and could cost us big time at the Federal and State levels if the Presidential race isn't on the ballot.
Also, in 2020, Biden/Harris got over 2.6 million votes in Ohio. We can't lose that many votes!
It'd be devastating to the Democratic Party to not be on that ballot.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,397 posts)Hikerchick57
(118 posts)NanaCat
(1,205 posts)To hold a convention like that?
Do you seriously think adequate venues are available at this late date?
It's not as easy as saying, ooh, let's have our convention here, and never mind who else has booked the facility, or a zillion other details about security, stage setups, musics, speakers, and so on.
Something like this takes much longer than a few months to plan.
RandomNumbers
(17,600 posts)I'm pretty sure some of these people (who would have to make the plans) make more money than I do. And I have about sixteen ideas already I could put on the table. Sure they aren't all good ideas but a funny thing happens when smart people HAVE to do something and they start kicking around ideas - they find a way.
myohmy2
(3,168 posts)"2024 Republican National Convention/Date Mon, Jul 15, 2024 Thu, Jul 18, 2024"
...let's have our Democratic National Convention Monday July 15 , 2024 - through July 18, 2024...
...the battle of the conventions...
...if our funding raising pace continues we should be able to put on a much better show...
...
keopeli
(3,524 posts)And in 2020 somehow this wasn't an issue, even though the Democratic convention was in August.
wanderer54
(34 posts)Isn't the 7aug date a deadline for INDEPENDENT candidates
Not the Democratic nor the Republican Parties
LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)(3) Certified to the secretary of state for placement on the presidential ballot by authorized officials of a minor political party that has held a state or national convention for the purpose of choosing those candidates or that may, without a convention, certify those candidates in accordance with the procedure authorized by its party rules. The officials shall certify the names of those candidates to the secretary of state on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election. The certification shall be accompanied by a designation of a sufficient number of presidential electors to satisfy the requirements of law.
intheflow
(28,494 posts)as the minor party being the party not in majority rule of the state. The intent might have been third party or independent party, but English is tricky and this could be taken as Biden being in a minor party.
LeftInTX
(25,497 posts)Unfortunately, someone pointed out that the law also includes the major parties:
(1) Nominated by the national convention of a political party to which delegates and alternates were elected in this state at the next preceding primary election A political party certifying candidates so nominated shall certify the names of those candidates to the secretary of state on or before the ninetieth day before the day of the general election.
Primary election: refers to Democrats and Republicans.
Usually Green and Libertarian do not hold primaries. They are nominated via conventions etc. Some parties don't even have conventions, but simply use petitions.
Orrex
(63,219 posts)NanaCat
(1,205 posts)The delegates could have a zoom meeting, vote early, nominate Biden and then have the convention when scheduled. They could celebrate then and have show vote.
markodochartaigh
(1,144 posts)Frame it that "All of the state primaries have been held and the people have decided on our nominees". Then the convention could be an extravaganza to whip up political support. It might also circumvent some of the turmoil that Chicago saw in 1968.
Javaman
(62,532 posts)Enquiring_Mind
(83 posts)Republican Party controls the offices of governor, secretary of state, attorney general, and both chambers of the state legislature.
I do have to say Gov. DeWine isn't batshit crazy, but I'm not sure if/what he could do himself.
Wuddles440
(1,124 posts)DeWine is a weasel. Don't be fooled by his grandfatherly demeanor because he's an absolute phony and just as hardcore as the rest of the GOPpers in Ohio.
question everything
(47,518 posts)orangecrush
(19,597 posts)relayerbob
(6,550 posts)That requires a convention. Its a tradition, the Constitution doesnt even provide for parties. Since this is a practically uncontested primary, just have the delegates vote early and hold the convention on time. Or just have the DNC declare hes the winner.