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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:42 PM

(Federal) Judge denies Hobby Lobby's birth control case

Source: Associated Press

November 19, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Judge denies Hobby Lobby's birth control case
By Tim Talley

Oklahoma City A federal judge Monday rejected Hobby Lobby Stores Inc.'s request to block part of the federal health care overhaul that requires the arts and craft supply company to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after and week-after birth control pills.

In a 28-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton denied a request by Hobby Lobby to prevent the government from enforcing portions of the health care law mandating insurance coverage for contraceptives the company's Christian owners consider objectionable.

The Oklahoma City-based company and a sister company, Mardel Inc., sued the government in September, claiming the mandate violates the owners' religious beliefs. The owners contend the morning-after and week-after birth control pills are tantamount to abortion because they can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's womb. They also object to providing coverage for certain kinds of intrauterine devices.

At a hearing earlier this month, a government lawyer said the drugs do not cause abortions and that the U.S. has a compelling interest in mandating insurance coverage for them.



Read more: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121119/NATION/211190433#ixzz2Cj7bH1m1

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Reply (Federal) Judge denies Hobby Lobby's birth control case (Original post)
Bozita Nov 2012 OP
pitbullgirl1965 Nov 2012 #1
jmowreader Nov 2012 #6
PatrynXX Nov 2012 #14
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #12
lbrtbell Nov 2012 #16
elleng Nov 2012 #2
DRoseDARs Nov 2012 #3
BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #13
PatrynXX Nov 2012 #15
RKP5637 Nov 2012 #4
xfundy Nov 2012 #5
earthside Nov 2012 #7
KatyaR Nov 2012 #17
PatrynXX Nov 2012 #19
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #8
Ken Burch Nov 2012 #9
47of74 Nov 2012 #10
quakerboy Nov 2012 #11
PatrynXX Nov 2012 #18

Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:45 PM

1. I had no idea they were fundies

thank you. *adds to list of places to boycott*

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Response to pitbullgirl1965 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:31 PM

6. Welcome to DU

Hobby Lobby and Chic-fil-A being owned by rabid fundamentalists is a frequent subject of discussion here, and it pretty much ends with twenty or thirty people promising never to go in the place again.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:24 PM

14. I'll still go

mostly because I have no intention on punishing the employees who work there. however 99.9999999999 % of the stuff in there is all china.. like wow high morals there.

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Response to pitbullgirl1965 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:12 PM

12. they're closed on sundays so that employees can worship with their families.

 

i don't know how that works out for the jewish employees.

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Response to pitbullgirl1965 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:14 AM

16. Hobby Lobby is the only craft store within 100 miles of me

But if I must go there, I'll only do so to find out what I want...then order it online.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:49 PM

2. 'Heaton said


that while churches and other religious organizations have been granted constitutional protection from the birth-control provisions, "Hobby Lobby and Mardel are not religious organizations."

"Plaintiffs have not cited, and the court has not found, any case concluding that secular, for-profit corporations such as Hobby Lobby and Mardel have a constitutional right to the free exercise of religion," the ruling said.

Heaton wrote that "the court is not unsympathetic" to the problems cited by Hobby Lobby and their owners, the Green family. He said the health care law's expansion of employer obligations "results in concerns and issues not previously confronted by companies or their owners."

"The question of whether the Greens can establish a free exercise constitutional violation by reason of restrictions or requirements imposed on general business corporations they own or control involves largely uncharted waters," Heaton wrote.'

Hobby Lobby's attorney said the companies' owners will appeal.



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121119/NATION/211190433#ixzz2Cj9afIls

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:49 PM

3. Unless the owners are going to be shoving microscopes up vaginas to ensure EVERY fert'egg implants..

...they need to shut the fuck up. Not every fertilized egg results in a pregnancy, regardless of whether or not birth control is used.

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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:24 PM

13. but in those cases- it's god's decision for the egg not to implant.

 

at least that's how they see it.

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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:26 PM

15. even carlin knew that

Serial killers everywhere.... condoms next? (ban condoms that is)

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:55 PM

4. Hobby Lobby = a rather strange company. n/t

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:28 PM

5. Would Hobby Lobby provide pregnancy benefits?

Take up the birth costs, and related complications? Pay for time off to have the baby?

I don't know, but I would suspect the answer is NO.

Would they support measures to keep the baby healthy, such as making sure s/he had everything needed to be a healthy baby? Enough food for mother and baby? A safe place to live?

I'm not even thinking about after the first year of the baby's life, but would they do ANYTHING to help out the mother and child, after they went out of their way to make sure the mother had to become a mother? I seriously doubt it, with great reasons to do so.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:37 PM

7. Good. Not my favorite company.

Unfortunately I occasionally have to buy paint for art at Hobby Lobby ... because it is close.

But this company has NO customer service; often times there is Christian music playing in the background; I have heard employees complain about 'preaching' at the company Christmas party; I remember seeing a few years ago many stacks of books for sale written by the companies founder the subject being how Jesus made him a success.

But the truth is that cheap crap and low wages is what has made Hobby Lobby a 'success'.

Yup. It makes me angry that a private company like Hobby Lobby looks for any excuse to screw its employees -- and to use religion as a rationale to screw the employees is even worse.

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Response to earthside (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:10 AM

17. Actually, their wages are pretty good.

Within the last year they announced that their starting wage would be $14/hour. Better than average.

I don't shop HL much anymore, mainly because there aren't any stores close by. Thirty years ago they were a great store, carried spinning wheels and looms and such as well as basic stuff. Now half their stores are cheap Chinese decorator crap that they sell at ridiculous prices.

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Response to KatyaR (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:32 PM

19. cheap chinese crap

at crazy prices. so true. so they can pay the chinese to force it's people to have an abortion. seriously why any Christian in their right might would defend Hobby Lobby is beyond me. They are just using this because of $$$$$$

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:43 PM

8. Looks like Costco might be the only place I can shop.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:45 PM

9. Well, now we know of ONE Hobby they don't approve of.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:49 PM

10. If I may, there is one thing I would like to say to Hobby Lobby

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:09 PM

11. One more stone

in the wall of my belief that benefits should not be provided by employers. Pay me what I am worth and let me chose what to do with my money. And butt the hell out of whatever it is that I chose unless it effects my ability to function in the roll you pay me to provide. Particularly now with the chance of building a valid health care provision system out of the ACA.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:29 PM

18. this isn't RU486

had another row with a former pastor think voting for a mormon who for ages called it a cult got to him so he's gone wacko.

about Hobby Lobby pleading to avoid millions in fines it'll be forced to pay after being forced to pay for the abortion pill mandate. Yeah if I google like what the fuck is an Abortion Pill Mandate. No such thing!!! This is not an abortion pill. Way extreme to be calling it an abortion pill. First it had to have a heartbeat now it doesn't need one and for the Hypocrites defending Hobby Lobby , most of Hobby Lobby's furniture if not all comes from what country? China. the king of FORCED abortions. That and they covered them for years. It's a freaking political stunt. But then again they believe Obama is Muslim so ho hum.. SO no coverage for birth control in the USA but by golly we'll force out workforce behind the scenes to have them.

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