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Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:49 PM Jan 2012

Kucinich Announces ‘Game Changing’ Constitutional Amendment to Publicly Finance Federal Elections

Kucinich Announces ‘Game Changing’ Constitutional Amendment to Publicly Finance Federal Elections




Congressman Kucinich


Washington, Jan 19 -

On the eve of the second anniversary of the Supreme Court ruling known as Citizens United, which opened the floodgate of unlimited, shadowy corporate spending in public elections, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) has introduced H. J. Res. 100, a constitutional amendment to rescue American democracy from corporate money’s corrupting influence.

“Because of the decision by the Supreme Court majority in the Citizens United case, more money was spent on campaigns in the 2010 election than has ever been spent in a mid-term election.

“Because of the Citizens United case, more money will be spent in the 2012 elections than has ever been spent in an election in the history of our country.

“Because of the Citizens United case, American democracy has been put up on the auction block,” said Kucinich.

Read more: http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=275443

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Kucinich Announces ‘Game Changing’ Constitutional Amendment to Publicly Finance Federal Elections (Original Post) Bennyboy Jan 2012 OP
meanwhile Obama hasn't proposed anything like this alp227 Jan 2012 #1
he will likely benefit from citizens united, why would he complain lol nt msongs Jan 2012 #4
That's bass-ackwards. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #22
Some corporations want R, some want D. Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #29
Recognizing that Republicans do more for corporations than Democrats The Doctor. Jan 2012 #46
The sad thing is how much damage has been done since the railroad decisions. Trillo Jan 2012 #2
Dennis is one of the Few "Career" politician WHO actually work for the People WE need more people Justice wanted Jan 2012 #3
So true. nt. Mr_Jefferson_24 Jan 2012 #10
One of my favorites - so few. emilyg Jan 2012 #15
It's too bad he's not President The Doctor. Jan 2012 #21
Poor powerless president. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #34
Yeah, pretty much. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #47
He would be a very short president... Tiggeroshii Jan 2012 #44
Unfortunately, he is likely going to lose his seat in the primaries. ChadwickHenryWard Jan 2012 #30
Sadly, it's chances of ultimate passage are slim to none n/t markpkessinger Jan 2012 #5
I mean I love the bravado of one Dennis Kucinich... WCGreen Jan 2012 #6
Thanks so much for sharing your personal story. Rhiannon12866 Jan 2012 #7
+1000 nt Javaman Jan 2012 #8
Wake me up when a Constitutional Amendment like this is likely to pass... brooklynite Jan 2012 #9
Any Amendment like this one could only pass a People's Convention Occulus Jan 2012 #12
Get behind it kenfrequed Jan 2012 #17
Susan B. Anthony did a lot of "posturing". eomer Jan 2012 #19
Posturing? Give me a break. Auggie Jan 2012 #26
well, how about supporting it instead of shitting on it fascisthunter Jan 2012 #27
I imagine we often confuse "posturing" with... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #32
You're right - there might be opposition so we shouldn't even try. It's the Obama way! Maven Jan 2012 #33
Nah, that's okay - you can stay in bed. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #35
K&R. nt. Mr_Jefferson_24 Jan 2012 #11
rec'd limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #13
Dennis should be POTUS mwrguy Jan 2012 #14
How about Grayson/Kucinich in 2016? Hugabear Jan 2012 #36
And what? Make elections democratic? Octafish Jan 2012 #16
kr Norrin Radd Jan 2012 #18
Nice thought, but I don't know how it would work JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #20
I'm not a big fan of the government limiting my speech either onenote Jan 2012 #41
HUGE K&R. Go, Dennis! closeupready Jan 2012 #23
Im curious .. trumad Jan 2012 #24
I'm curious, too RufusTFirefly Jan 2012 #38
Elections are much too important to allow them to be bought. nt bemildred Jan 2012 #25
K&R (nt) fascisthunter Jan 2012 #28
Because of Citizens United? naaman fletcher Jan 2012 #31
Go Dennis Go! The Sushi Bandit Jan 2012 #37
Awesome. The wind is against him, but I glad he leads anyways. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #39
Exactly how would this key language from DK's amendment work? onenote Jan 2012 #40
This sounds a lot like rather than having elections determined by a bunch of corporations hughee99 Jan 2012 #43
Amending the Constitution isn't needed. ColesCountyDem Jan 2012 #42
I'd like to see Kucinich go one better usrname Jan 2012 #45

alp227

(32,034 posts)
1. meanwhile Obama hasn't proposed anything like this
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:59 PM
Jan 2012

other than his criticism of the citizens united case in his 2010 SOTU, as Cenk pointed out here (6:30)

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
22. That's bass-ackwards.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:19 AM
Jan 2012

The Corporations don't want Obama, they want Republicans. CU works against Obama. This season will prove that out.
 

Lance_Boyle

(5,559 posts)
29. Some corporations want R, some want D.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:11 AM
Jan 2012

Rs and Ds both want corporate money. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that big money owns both.

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
46. Recognizing that Republicans do more for corporations than Democrats
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:14 PM
Jan 2012

isn't brain science either. DAH.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
2. The sad thing is how much damage has been done since the railroad decisions.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:00 PM
Jan 2012

It's always said better late than never, but one would hope there's a *timeout* on these things. In politics, it appears the timeout is in the range of nearly 100 years, a period of time in excess of 1 person's entire life.

What's a few generations in the whole-sales of a people?

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
3. Dennis is one of the Few "Career" politician WHO actually work for the People WE need more people
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:00 PM
Jan 2012

like him

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
21. It's too bad he's not President
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:14 AM
Jan 2012

so he could push for legislation, get stonewalled, fight a gigantic battle over it, get nothing else done, wind up compromising just to get something, and then get called a 'sell-out' by half of DU.

Ah, what a different world it would be.

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
47. Yeah, pretty much.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jan 2012

We are very much in a 'Jesus Wept' situation.

What? Did you really believe the President actually has the power to change the status quo? Do you also still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

ChadwickHenryWard

(862 posts)
30. Unfortunately, he is likely going to lose his seat in the primaries.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:24 AM
Jan 2012

The GOP has redrawn the districts in Ohio in order to pit Dennis Kucinich and Marcy Kaptur against one another in the primaries. Kaptur has a large fundraising advantage.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
6. I mean I love the bravado of one Dennis Kucinich...
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:50 PM
Jan 2012

I was there when he resurrected his career back in 1994, we shared a ballot spot so I got to know him very well.

The night that he won his election to the House was the same night I lost my bid for the State Senate. The next day, when all the media in Cleveland wanted to talk to him, he sat with me in a hospital room being there for a mutual friend who just was told he was going to die of cancer.

But the reality of Dennis is that he is the best council man serving in Congress. The man is a treasurer to the people in Cleveland not because of what he brings home but because he sees his main function as a politician is to help the people who got him there. He has the best constituent service bare none.

But the idea of Game Changer and Dennis Kucinich is a little over the top

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
7. Thanks so much for sharing your personal story.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:09 PM
Jan 2012

I have long been an admirer of Dennis Kucinich. His views most closely match my own and he has to be the most hard working and courageous member of Congress. And whether he's natioally electable, or not, his outspokenness gets the issues out there.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
12. Any Amendment like this one could only pass a People's Convention
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:43 PM
Jan 2012

and there are some fairly major hurdles to calling one of those.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
17. Get behind it
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 02:24 AM
Jan 2012

Wake up now and get behind it and start agitating for it.

If you want it, stand up for it, if you don't then just say so and stop with the sunday morning armchair wonking.

eomer

(3,845 posts)
19. Susan B. Anthony did a lot of "posturing".
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 06:30 AM
Jan 2012

She fought for decades for women's right to vote but died before the 19th amendment was "likely to pass". She did a lot of "posturing".

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
27. well, how about supporting it instead of shitting on it
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 10:21 AM
Jan 2012

unless you don't want the ammendment that is. Right now, you are the ONLY one posturing.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. I imagine we often confuse "posturing" with...
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 01:37 PM
Jan 2012

I imagine we often confuse "posturing" with a declaration of intent and a statement of belief if it allows us to better minimize that person.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
36. How about Grayson/Kucinich in 2016?
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 02:22 PM
Jan 2012

Don't know if that ticket would win, but it's one I think many of us could vote for without any reservations at all.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
20. Nice thought, but I don't know how it would work
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:22 AM
Jan 2012

The SCOTUS has ruled in favor of free speech for big money. If we fund all campaigns with public funds, how would that stop big money from making and broadcasting attack ads? Hey, it's my money, my opinion, who has the right to stop me from airing my views? Right? (Y'know, I mean, if I had any money )

And if the ads and superpacs can somehow be stopped, it seems the same logic/law could be used to stop any broadcast of opinion, such as blogs, DU forums, etc. Grovelbot could be seen as just another Koch brother.

I expect the superpac ads to get even worse. When specialized ads are "made for cable", the seven words will fly around candidates. F-bombs, B-bombs, C-bombs, etc will be hitting the screens. Or maybe they're already in Carolina and Florida.

I hate superpacs but I like free speech. I think this one's a puzzle.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
41. I'm not a big fan of the government limiting my speech either
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 04:40 PM
Jan 2012

and DK, by overreaching with his language, would do exactly that. No one -- individuals as well as corporations -- would be permitted to make contributions to a candidate and, more importantly, no one could spend a cent of their own money in support of a candidate. Literally, if you made a sign and stuck it in your yard, you'd be in violation of the language of DK's amendment. If some private company made bumper stickers or buttons saying vote for X and sold them (with none of the money going to the candidate) and you put one on your car or your shirt -- again, you'd have violated the terms of this amendment which states that "no expenditures shall be permitted" in support or opposition of any candidate "from any other source [than the federal funding].

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
23. HUGE K&R. Go, Dennis!
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:56 AM
Jan 2012

This strikes really at the heart of most of what's wrong with Congress and DC.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
38. I'm curious, too
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jan 2012

Why is it that out of 535 members of Congress, there is only one member who consistently and courageously speaks up on behalf of ordinary people?

And why is he routinely vilified and ridiculed for doing so?

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
31. Because of Citizens United?
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 12:58 PM
Jan 2012

“Because of the Citizens United case, American democracy has been put up on the auction block,"

It was up on the auction block long before that.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
40. Exactly how would this key language from DK's amendment work?
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jan 2012

Section 2. No expenditures shall be permitted in support of any candidate for Federal office, or in opposition to any candidate for Federal office, from any other source, including the candidate. Nothing in this Section shall be construed to abridge the freedom of the press.


Does this mean that if you or I make a home made sign supporting our candidate and take it to a rally or post it in our front yard that we've violated the law by making an "expenditure" in support of a candidate?

And exactly how broad is the exception that protects freedom of the press? What constitutes the press and how does one distinguish it from others who engage in speech (even when engaging in that speech involves an expenditure of funds by way of buying paper and ink to make a sign or driving around in a truck with a microphone saying Vote for....)?

The concept of federally funded elections is something I wholeheartedly support. But at the same time, I recognize that there are considerable difficulties in moving from concept to reality.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
43. This sounds a lot like rather than having elections determined by a bunch of corporations
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jan 2012

and their unlimited money, it will instead be determined by the few corporations who own media outlets. No one else can run any commercials? So the Candidate is at the mercy of whatever the press decides to cover, to not cover, or how it portrays a campaign issue? I'm not so sure this is a good plan either.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
42. Amending the Constitution isn't needed.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 06:05 PM
Jan 2012

Congress can simply remove such matters from the SC's jurisdiction, as would be their right so to do under Article I of the Constitution.

 

usrname

(398 posts)
45. I'd like to see Kucinich go one better
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 06:38 PM
Jan 2012

Require all candidates for ALL levels (local, statewide, national) to campaign following the same prescribed format:

1. Candidate must announce the office (s)he is campaigning for
2. Give proof of eligibility: age, city and state of residence, place of birth
3. ONE PAGE resume (includes party affiliation if necessary)
4. Five 2-minute "ads" explaining the person's platform and positions
5. Five 2-minute "ads" explaining how the person will govern (follow party
line, legislate according to need, etc)

There should be no campaigning whatsoever. That means, no signs on front yard,
no commercials, no third-party ads to promote or denigrate candidate or opponents.

Anyone creating an ad in favor of, or in opposition to, a candidate will cause the candidate who it will ultimately benefit to be removed from consideration. If it's determined after the election, that the candidate, now office holder, benefitted from the ad, will be removed from office and the second-highest vote getter will take over. (This is to prevent someone from framing the other candidate by creating a "bad" ad of him or herself. On the other hand, a "bad" ad could generate enough negative feelings to the candidate and that might self-sabotage the campaign.)

Campaigns should be like a job application: fill the job-application form, submit resume, conduct an interview (here, the applicant can just submit his or her side of the interview, we the electorate don't need to actually go interview the person). We'll call you, don't call us.

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