Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:05 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
BREAKING: Ballot tampering suspect identified - and she's a right-wing activistLast edited Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:14 AM USA/ET - Edit history (3)
Source: BlueOregon
Late this afternoon, Clackamas County identified the suspect in the felony ballot-tampering investigation as Deanna Swenson of Oregon City, a 55-year-old registered Republican. Clackamas County has fired her. Swenson confirmed her role to Willamette Week: When WW reporters came to her home Monday afternoon, Swenson wasn’t in a mood to talk. WW asked her how many ballots were involved, and Swenson replied tearfully, “Only the two.” Swenson declined to answer other questions. She said she has not yet hired an attorney to represent her. ... County officials are especially concerned about the number of quarantined ballots, those processed by the worker and separated from ballots ready to be counted..... Read more: http://www.blueoregon.com/2012/11/breaking-ballot-tampering-suspect-identified-and-shes-right-wing-activist/ =============== Republican activist caught rigging votes! By my thinking, one of the advantages of early voting is: ... you can catch them in the act before election day! Do you believe this woman when she claims only two ballots were altered? Would you risk five years in prison to alter two ballots? Previous story here, with more links back and graphics: Clackamas County commissioners call emergency meeting Monday ... ballot tampering investigation http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014291309
============== Updates: I noticed the volume of tweets. We need a hashtag #clackamasballots Map: South Portland Metro = Oregon City ![]()
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| Baitball Blogger | Nov 2012 | #2 | |
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| Vanje | Nov 2012 | #82 | |
| Coyotl | Nov 2012 | #12 | |
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| Coyotl | Nov 2012 | #36 | |
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:12 AM
leftyohiolib (3,130 posts)
1. republicans are so worried about vote rigging ironically they keep getting caught doing it
Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #1)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:31 AM
hobbit709 (26,105 posts)
13. It's called projection.
Response to hobbit709 (Reply #13)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:03 PM
freshwest (31,556 posts)
87. Maybe. I'd say it's policy. They pass laws to disenfranchise people, make speeches on how some
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people should not be allowed to vote. It is the philosophy that many people vote to steal from them by taxing them. They have shown their contempt for minorities and immigrants for years.
So they have an interest in voter suppression. It's the way they think. Any charge that we are stealing their votes, falls on its face. Since the ideology of the Democratic Party has worked to expand rights to all. |
Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #1)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:48 AM
yardwork (37,076 posts)
18. Republicans are the ones doing the vote rigging. They blame us as a distraction.
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It's a deliberate part of their strategy. Look at what they accuse Democrats of doing - guaranteed that that is what they are doing themselves.
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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:16 AM
nxylas (4,697 posts)
23. Including projection
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I have actually seen Republicans posting on comments threads complaining that Democrats take the things that they do and then accuse Republicans of doing them, which I think caused a tear in the fabric of reality itself.
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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:00 AM
leftyohiolib (3,130 posts)
39. right they accuse us so when we accuse them of stealing/rigging it will seem like we're just
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doing tit-for-tat
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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:22 AM
suffragette (7,401 posts)
47. Yes, they falsely accuse Democrats of voter fraud to shift focus from the election fraud they commit
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And it's absolutely deliberate.
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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:35 PM
cui bono (7,479 posts)
84. They claim voter fraud so they can justify suppressing the vote. This is actually election fraud.
Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #1)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:10 PM
countryjake (4,779 posts)
73. Yup...
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a fox smells its own hole.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:12 AM
Baitball Blogger (11,308 posts)
2. She took an absentee ballot, erased the Dem choice and filled in the blank for the Republican
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candidate?
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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:15 AM
zonkers (4,711 posts)
5. Maybe there are others. Maybe she will start squealing.
Response to zonkers (Reply #5)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:05 PM
Vanje (8,923 posts)
82. Her boss at the Clackamas Co Elections office is also a Republ. activist
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County Clerk, Sherry Hall has been involved in petition signature verification wrong-doing to favor a ballot initiative proposed by Tea Party.
Cant find the specific article now, but its in this blog. This guy has been watching Clackamas County elections officials for a while. http://ouroregon.org/sockeye/blog |
Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:31 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
12. She was in a ballot area in county elections office, with a Tea Party boss of that County Elections
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Last edited Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:40 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) and working where the Oregon mail-in ballots are handled by the office. So one question being asked is,
"Who hired this activist to work where ballots are stored and counted?" |
Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:36 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
14. Oregon mail-in ballots, not absentee, filling in down-ticket empty races
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Lots of voters vote for the president only, nothing more. Just part of that percentage can sway close races like U.S. Congress, and sway which party controls the state legislative process. In Oregon, Clackamas County happens to be where both those can be accomplished.
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Response to Coyotl (Reply #14)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:40 AM
Baitball Blogger (11,308 posts)
15. Wow. How was she caught?
Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #15)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:25 AM
jiro (7 posts)
26. A co-worker reported her
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"Q. How did this incident occur?
A. A co-worker reported seeing Deanna Swenson, a part-time temporary elections employee and a registered Republican, adding votes to ballots where races were left blank. Swenson allegedly used a pencil she brought in herself, while the original voter had used a pen, said Stephen Madkour, County Counsel. "There is only one individual checked by the initial hand of the voter and the rest were pencil marks," he said. County election officials promptly reported the incident to the Oregon Secretary of State's Office, and Swenson was immediately relieved of her duties." http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2012/11/state_ballot_tampering_investi.html |
Response to jiro (Reply #26)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:30 AM
Baitball Blogger (11,308 posts)
27. Thanks. I must have read that three times and I couldn't
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logistically understand what was going on and I think I know why. In my County they have judges supervising the opening of every absentee ballot. It would be easy to spot someone who was there to count the ballots who just happened to have a pencil in her hand.
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Response to jiro (Reply #26)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:55 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
36. This is why we have a specific ballot or two identified as evidence, she was witnessed.
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Interestingly, given "There is only one individual checked by the initial hand of the voter" per Stephen Madkour, County Counsel, we can assume fraud in a close U.S. Congressional contest and in an OR House race that could tip the balance of the legislature. Do you suppose this is part of a conspiracy? or a coincidence that a place in Oregon where the political balance can be tipped is where this is happening, in an office run by a Tea Partier.
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Response to jiro (Reply #26)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:02 AM
drm604 (13,962 posts)
58. How stupid is that?
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Didn't this woman realize that people would notice the difference between pencil and pen?
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Response to Coyotl (Reply #14)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:06 AM
formercia (18,154 posts)
41. Which brings up the points:
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Never use a writing implement that can easily be erased.
Never leave a blank choice. If you don't know the candidates or don't want to vote for either, fill in a name in the 'other' choice. Don't give these bastards an inch. There needs to be some serious voter education in the future. |
Response to formercia (Reply #41)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:57 AM
Baitball Blogger (11,308 posts)
54. This also works for elections for private organizations where you have to pick
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X out of Y number of candidates, such as 6 out of 12 names listed on the ballot to serve on a HomeOwners' board.
Sometimes you only know three, leaving three options open. |
Response to formercia (Reply #41)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:33 AM
JimDandy (2,189 posts)
90. Sonoma County, CA requires pencil only for marking ballots,
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according to a voter who lives in San Rafael. I was so stunned when I heard that from her. Suggested that she get the Dems there to force a change to pen.
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Response to JimDandy (Reply #90)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:52 AM
dreamnightwind (1,472 posts)
96. Not true
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One, San Rafael is in Marin county. I don't know their rules.
Two, I live in Sonoma county, and was handed a pen by the election worker where I voted, as was everyone else I saw. |
Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #96)
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:24 PM
JimDandy (2,189 posts)
101. That's what I thought was strange.
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She lives in San Rafael, but votes absentee in Sonoma County? (I used to live in San Rafael, which is why we got to chatting.) Even stranger, I was calling her off a voter roll from a precinct in Littleton, Arapahoe County, Colorado. She said they had only lived in CO six months and had registered to vote here but then moved back to CA.
The thing about the pencil was a little longer story-she said she actually went in to the county when she saw they had marked their ballots incorrectly with pen and was told by some worker to just go over every mark with pencil! That was what got me curious enough to check with both Marin and Sonoma countys after the election and they both said they have instructions on the ballot to make marks in pen! She's 77 yrs old which may be a factor here. |
Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:15 AM
Viva_La_Revolution (27,080 posts)
22. no. the voter left blank races
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and she filled in the repug candidate with pencil
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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:48 AM
madmom (9,385 posts)
33. What I heard was she filled in any that were left blank with repug choive.
Response to madmom (Reply #33)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:51 AM
Baitball Blogger (11,308 posts)
34. Yes, I understand that now. thank you.
Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:27 AM
jerseyjack (1,361 posts)
51. No.
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Some people voted for only one or two of the candidates. Other choices were left blank. She filled in the blank spaces with Republican votes. It is possible she did this to only two ballots but that doesn't mean she would have left other ballots blank if she had discovered them
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:12 AM
SaveAmerica (4,982 posts)
3. Wow, I'm so shocked!!
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:14 AM
zonkers (4,711 posts)
4. Tears. Ha. Hope she gets five years. Don't know what the guidelines are. But she should
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be made an example of. Tears -- only because she sorry she got caught. What an idiot for even admitting to reporters that she altered two ballots.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:17 AM
Robb (38,353 posts)
6. "Three beers."
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Had a police friend tell me once he could count on one hand the number of drunks he pulled over who didn't answer the "how much you have to drink?" question, "three beers."
It was of course always more, but somehow "three beers" seemed like a reasonable lie. |
Response to Robb (Reply #6)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:19 AM
Snarkoleptic (2,562 posts)
9. You beat me to it!
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Response to Robb (Reply #6)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:34 AM
AllyCat (7,524 posts)
29. In our neck of the woods, it's "coupla beers"
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which I have always thought meant two, but the vagueness and drunkenness of the individual suggests "coupla" has many meanings.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:17 AM
Snarkoleptic (2,562 posts)
7. She claims only 2 ballots were tampered with.
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Where have we heard a similar plea?
On most every DUI arrest..."Only two beers, officer." ![]() |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:17 AM
reflection (4,844 posts)
8. Make an example of her that will resonate throughout the nation. n/t
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:29 AM
Bluenorthwest (24,194 posts)
10. Deana Swenson: Worst Oregonian In the World....
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The full weight of the law must come down on her for this most pernicious and unamerican crime.
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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #10)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:41 AM
LTR (13,040 posts)
53. Nah, give her a year in the pokey
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and the remaining three suffering through Obama's second term.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:29 AM
Dem2TheCore (219 posts)
11. Anyone vote rigging, commiting fraud on voters, trashing or altering ballots, etc.
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Last edited Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:30 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) 25 YEARS FEDERAL PRISON, NO PAROLE, NO GOOD BEHAVIOR TIME OFF - SOLID 25!
Preferable in the Mexican Mafia unit! |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:43 AM
CaptJasHook (1,308 posts)
16. Every week I drive through Clackamas County
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and I see these signs saying "Stop Portland Creep." Clackamas Co. as become a reactionary county to the success of its neighbor to the North. It is highly conservative. Which makes this woman's case a little bizarre.
I actually taught for the school district for 5 years and slowly saw them getting grumpier and grumpier. But they are also a county that we could learn a lot from. Their conservative approach to schools prevented them from suffering the worst of the cuts that Portland suffered over the last decade. They have a strong entrepenuerial spirit with a lot of local businesses and small farms. Dark Horse comics makes their home there and they have the largest Waldorf school in Oregon. Even though they are a suburb, they are trying to maintain a small town/main street way of life. Way better then the drone-like consumeristas of Beaverton. In some ways they also represent the typical situation in suburbs throughout America. Clackamas County was predominantly white a decade a ago. We used to call it Crackerass County. But the demographic has radically changed as poor Latinos, Mong and some African Americans have been gentrified out of Portland. Explains the current anger and confusion amongst the White folk. |
Response to CaptJasHook (Reply #16)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:04 AM
stubtoe (1,854 posts)
40. Now they call it Clackistan.
Response to CaptJasHook (Reply #16)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:01 AM
quakerboy (10,577 posts)
56. Interesting description
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I do not think of clackamas as an area to be learned from. Most clackamas residents I know either pretend to themselves they are from multnomah, or are actively bitching about how they wish they could live in a "godly state, like Texas".
It's my general feeling that they financially mooch off of multnomah and Washington counties, demanding the benefits of our services while refusing to pay taxes for anything. I look especially to those with mental health concerns, who are, in my experience often directed to move across the invisible line into multnomah if they want access to any needed services. But your description is not untrue, as far as it goes. Food for thought for me. |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:43 AM
Seedersandleechers (2,613 posts)
17. I had to go to her FB page
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and message her. It wasn't a nice message but I didn't swear.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Reply #17)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:53 PM
bitchkitty (6,805 posts)
75. Me too.
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I told her that I lived in Oregon, and that she was a despicable piece of dog shit, but I wasn't all mean - I did tell her to have a wonderful time in prison!
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:49 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
19. Next question, "How much time has this person spent with Oregon mail-in ballots over the years?"
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One Oregon reporter told me early, "This is going to be a Big Story." It grows daily as details emerge. Many more questions follow, such as
"How many people are doing this, and where else is it or has it been happening?" There are some busy public attorneys and officers today, not to mention the journalists. This may be part of the national talk of the evening, it certainly will be in Oregon. The integrity of our voting system and the validity of our recent political history has been placed in a heavy fog of uncertainties and unknowns. |
Response to Coyotl (Reply #19)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:39 AM
xtraxritical (3,009 posts)
31. The question that should be asked - why don't these people vote the down ticket?
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It's just plain stupid and lazy. A greater majority in the US Senate and getting rid of Tea Party ignoramuses in Congress is of paramount importance, especially to the President.
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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #31)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:56 AM
christx30 (1,173 posts)
37. I voted down ticket
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for everything. I hadn't really been paying attention to the state level race. Just the presidential. I just voted dem all the way down. The only thing I didn't vote for was anyone that was running unopposed. I figured they didn't need my help.
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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #31)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:56 AM
madmom (9,385 posts)
38. A lot of times there is just one candidate and if you don't want to vote for
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him/her, what do you do? Leave it blank.
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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #31)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:08 AM
SharonAnn (9,655 posts)
94. In our red part of TN, sometimes there is no one but the "R" and I won't vote for them.
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Guess I should "write-in" a candidate but that's such a hassle on these machines.
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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #31)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:40 AM
Selatius (20,440 posts)
95. I'm sorry, but several down ticket races only had Republicans running on my ballot.
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I live in Mississippi. There's not much choice between a center-right Republican and a full-blown far right Tea Partier. What would you do in that case?
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:08 AM
BadSaratoga (13 posts)
20. They Have to Make an Example Out of Her Ass
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This shit has got to stop.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:13 AM
RedCloud (8,959 posts)
21. "Only the two"
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and now for the rest of the sentence she couldn't get out
"you caught me with." Yeah, right! |
Response to RedCloud (Reply #21)
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 09:10 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
103. Witnessed altering the number of ballots she altered at once!
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Since you alter one ballot, then another, then another, of course she was caught altering one ballot. D'oh!! not?
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:18 AM
JackN415 (748 posts)
24. Must be prosecuted as a warning to other Repubs & election fraud criminals
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:19 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
25. What are the patterns in down-ticket voting in Oregon? This kind of fraud shows in stats.
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Last edited Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:37 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) What a huge chore this situation creates, going back over all the years of mail-in ballots in Oregon.
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Response to Coyotl (Reply #25)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:25 AM
classof56 (4,077 posts)
49. I'm over here in Central Oregon and have a question about this drop site.
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Is it at your post office? Do I see stamps? So this is a stamp-and-mail thing? Hope those aren't dumb questions but I haven't seen that particular drop box before. Anyway, I hate this situation with that idiot woman in Clackamas County and hope like crazy it doesn't kick off what you refer to--years of auditing mail-in ballots. What a nightmare that would be!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 |
Response to classof56 (Reply #49)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:12 AM
jaded_old_cynic (147 posts)
61. I think those are "I voted" stickers.
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Not stamps.
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Response to jaded_old_cynic (Reply #61)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:47 PM
classof56 (4,077 posts)
74. Oh, my, do I feel dumb! "I Voted" stickers--of course!
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Stamps didn't make much sense, since I'm sure they don't give those away. Duh! Thanks for your nice reply. My DU sig line used to be "Tired Old Cynic", so I can relate to your user name. Guess I'm dealing with "Tired Old Eyes", too.
Let us keep the faith! |
Response to classof56 (Reply #49)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:23 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
63. The drop boxes are in places like next to courthouse, city hall, police parking
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and in front of elections offices. They may or may not dispense the cool "I voted" stickers.
Who has voted gets recorded, phone calling stops, no one interrupts dinner anymore, the election stops for you in a sense weeks before Ohioans get their reprieve. |
Response to Coyotl (Reply #63)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:59 PM
classof56 (4,077 posts)
76. Okay, again, I feel pretty dumb.
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Stamps made no sense, but I've not seen those drop boxes anywhere on this side of the mountains, so made me wonder. What a great idea, though--maybe they will show up in these parts some day. Or maybe they have and I've just not seen them--it would appear these old eyes aren't working too well lately.
My ballot was delivered to the county courthouse a couple of weeks ago, verified with SOS website it had been received, and haven't gotten any calls since. In years past, I did phone banking and made those calls, kinda surprised at how many Dems hadn't yet voted so close to Election Day. I love vote by mail, gotta say. Hope that woman in Clackamas County doesn't mess it up. Also hope Kate Brown retains her office. Knute Buehler would like nothing more than to make VBM go away. |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:31 AM
bigworld (1,193 posts)
28. "Only the two" is pretty much admitting guilt, isn't it?
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Doesn't matter if it is two or two thousand, she had better serve some hard time. Seriously, is there anything worse than taking away someone's vote. That's pretty close to sedition in my book.
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Response to bigworld (Reply #28)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:45 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
32. Taking the fall so quickly, that is suspicious
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Who was the initial source of the information about what the person caught had done?
Did that source have an agenda and/or a slant, a horse in the race? Officially are keeping a pretty tight lip about the details still. Where from the spin we have? |
Response to Coyotl (Reply #32)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:26 AM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
50. why are you so focused on the whistleblower instead of the criminal voting fraud R?
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Are you a R troll or what?
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Response to wordpix (Reply #50)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:01 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
57. So far, there is no whistleblower. You misunderstand, it seems. Witness and media source are two
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different people, to the best of our current knowledge. I'm asking why the "source" cited in the media, but not identified, was spinning the story that is is not a big story, just two ballots, just down-ticket, just filling empty races. It seems the "source" knows a lot in the person's defense!!
As to your second question, maybe you should start reading at the top, and follow the links back, then edit and retract your question please. |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:39 AM
backscatter712 (19,859 posts)
30. I hope prison psychologically cripples this cheat.
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I say make an example of her.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:54 AM
1StrongBlackMan (5,417 posts)
35. There is a huge, much broader, question looming ...
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What makes these people think it's Okay to commit these acts?
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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #35)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:07 AM
mountain grammy (1,617 posts)
42. This is the heart of it all!
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People have become idealogues who believe it is not only their right but their duty to choose people who think like they do. An honest election just might bring out those people who will elect someone who has a different point of view. Usually it is religion fueling this behavior, because, if God's on your side, you can't be doing anything wrong. Taliban!
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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #35)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:13 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
43. Let's hope it is not because they have been getting away with it all the while.
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If corrupted, the process offers a lot of opportunity for fraud. My Oregon ballot has been sitting in the courthouse for weeks, since I dropped it in an official drop box. Ballots are stored for days and days and days, lots of time to add votes down-ticket if the process has been compromised by partisans.
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Response to Coyotl (Reply #43)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:58 AM
chloes1 (71 posts)
55. It is my understanding
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that ballots are counted as soon as they are received, they don't just sit around, for weeks.
I could be wrong, but I really thought I had read that ballots are counted ASAP after they are received... now I gotta go check. |
Response to chloes1 (Reply #55)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:07 AM
kmlisle (80 posts)
60. Need a committee counting absentee ballots
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Florida actually does this with a judge, the counter supervisor or a rep and reps of the major parties and any other interested organization present when the ballots are opened and judged and counted. Its also all recorded anytime there is audio.
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Response to chloes1 (Reply #55)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:38 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
65. They are recorded ASAP and reported too as having cast the ballot only.
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I think it would violate voter secrecy to do counts before everyone had voted. At what point the open the secrecy envelope is a good next question. There is an outer envelope that is used to verify the voter. Therein is the secrecy envelope, without identifiers and containing the ballot to count later. Who opens that when goes to opportunity.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:14 AM
trayfoot (1,560 posts)
44. On another note...
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That district sure looks to be gerrymandered - it is definitely NOT compact and contiguous!
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:20 AM
NoOtherMedicineNovel (51 posts)
45. VOTER VOLDEMORT!
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:21 AM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
46. looks like a gerrymandered county to me - why don't we have watershed districts?
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Of course, in a big watershed these could be cut/manipulated in various ways, too, but not in such a completely subjective, wacky way. And it would help get people together to save their own rivers and river systems to vote by watershed.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
48. didn't she read the "vote fraud is a felony" billboard the R's had up in OH?
Response to wordpix (Reply #48)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:40 AM
stubtoe (1,854 posts)
52. It's "different" when Republicans do it.
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/sarcasm
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:04 AM
thesquanderer (1,112 posts)
59. Who would risk 5 years in prison...
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...whether for two ballots OR two hundred ballots? Clearly, she thought she wouldn't get caught, whatever the number.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:17 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
62. foxnews.com: Oregon elections worker fired after allegations of ballot tampering
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Finally on Fox, where they seem like apologists in their notable minimizing of the story.
Fox also gets it patently false about "county commissioners reportedly claimed they saw her" instead of the fact, a coworker saw her alter two ballots and we don't know how many noone saw her alter. The news should be reported as the story, not the story being what Fox 12 in Portland thinks. ============= Oregon elections worker fired after allegations of ballot tampering November 06, 2012 - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/oregon-elections-worker-fired-after-allegations-ballot-tampering/#ixzz2BSYADKDj
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Response to Coyotl (Reply #62)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:02 PM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
68. Local q13fox.com/news reports:
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This is the already mangled story that was re-mangled by the national story. Fox asserts the falsehood that the number of ballots rigged is known, the opposite of what other media are saying. Note also the emphasis on the one ballot observed. Of course the person who caught her did not sit and wait to watch her do lots and lots of ballots. D'oh!
Fox protesteth too much, me thinks! ================ Oregon elections worker fired over ballot tampering investigation Clackamas County employee allegedly chose GOP candidates on voter ballots Kai Porter FOX 12 Oregon 7:03 a.m. PST, November 6, 2012 - http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-officials-plan-emergency-meeting-after-ballot-fraud-allegations-in-oregon-20121105,0,2676440.story
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:32 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
64. AP: STEVEN DUBOIS, Nov 5
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Last edited Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:18 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) This is popping in major national newspapers on Election Day 2012:
"... the extent to which ... worker possibly tampered with ballots remains a mystery ..." From AP wire service, via Google Search:
This paper seems to have a longer version than others: http://www.ctpost.com/news/crime/article/Clackamas-County-ballot-tampering-investigation-4009120.php |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:59 AM
aquart (67,538 posts)
66. ONLY the two???
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I would hang her for it. American lives are at stake. She stole lives.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:01 PM
blackspade (2,458 posts)
67. Freakin' criminals
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:14 PM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
69. Pens, pencils banned from Clackamas counting room .. by Andy Giegerich
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Last edited Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:15 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Pens, pencils banned from Clackamas counting room
Portland Business Journal - Andy Giegerich - Nov 5, 2012, 4:24pm PST
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:29 PM
redqueen (102,484 posts)
70. A right-wing partisan?
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How utterly shocking!
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Response to redqueen (Reply #70)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:43 PM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
71. Who decided to hire a right-wing partisan to work in the ballot area?
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That is the shocking part, someone made that call.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:35 PM
yellowcanine (24,444 posts)
72. WW asked her how many ballots were involved, and Swenson replied tearfully, “Only the two.”
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Well shit lady, I am sorry for you but WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?????
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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #72)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:52 PM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
79. I'd like to ask her, "Only the two they caught you with, I presume?"
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Shall we believe her and Fox news and just move on?
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:44 PM
amvh (6 posts)
78. Wow I'm shocked, just shocked
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:43 PM
Vanje (8,923 posts)
81. Here is Deanna Swenson's facebook profile
Response to Vanje (Reply #81)
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 09:15 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
104. Did anyone capture this web page before it evaporated?
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:05 PM
sakabatou (29,105 posts)
83. Not surprised
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:43 PM
krobar659 (17 posts)
85. This has gotta stop!!!
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This has got to stop!!! This is the United States of America. What the hell is going on? These people need to be stopped and get thrown in jail. I am so pissed off right now. That bald headed governor in Florida needs to get charged too. I can't believe it. Karl Rove, I would have thrown your Pansy ass in jail along time ago. Rush Limbaugh, you are nothing but a drug addicted piece of hypocritical piece of trash that needs to be hauled off to the nearest toxic waste dump. Rush Limbaugh gives drug addicts a bad name. I am so pissed off right now. Something needs to be done about all of this. It's bullshit! Not only are the founding fathers spinning in their graves, what about all of those people who literally got their heads bashed in fighting for their right to vote? Do we just forget about the blood that they shed on the soil of this great nation simply for the right to vote? Some gave their lives in the struggle for the right to vote. Something needs to get done about this. The day to start was last week. When this election is over, all of the votes have been illegally counted, elections that have been stolen, and all of the signs have been taken down, we shouldn't forget about all of the voter fraud, voter suppression, and all of what has been done to prevent people from voting, we should fight!!! We need to band together, attack those who do this with one voice. Demand that the Department of Justice bring charges against those, such as the Governor of Florida. Lock these Anti-Americans up!!! Damn, I am so pissed!!!
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:21 PM
Up2Late (17,787 posts)
88. The answer is, No.
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The question is: "Am I surprised?" (Think the game show Jeopardy)
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:38 PM
GetTheRightVote (5,280 posts)
89. I hope they lock her up and throw away the key!
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:20 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
91. Secretary of State Brown: Tampering Involved Six Ballots - Altered Ballots Will be Counted After All
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So now we know the accused was lying. BIG SURPRISE!!
============ Secretary of State Brown: Tampering Involved Six Ballots Altered Ballots Will be Counted After All http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-29419-secretary_of_state_brown_corrects_record_on_clackamas_ballot_tampering.html Secretary of State Kate Brown this afternoon released a statement regarding the continuing investigation into alleged ballot tampering by a Clackamas County elections worker. Brown introduced two new pieces of information: first, contrary to reports issued yesterday, elections officials plan to include results from altered ballots if possible. Second, Brown upped the number of ballots that may have been altered from two to six.
Here is what Brown said: “To date, Clackamas County, under supervision of my elections monitors, has identified six ballots that were potentially altered by the accused temporary county elections employee. The total number of ballots potentially affected is still under investigation by the Department of Justice. For all potentially altered ballots, Clackamas County elections officials will determine whether or not the original voter intent can be established. If the original voter intent can be established, the ballot will be counted to reflect what the original voter marked. Voter intent will be determined by Clackamas County officials, but will be overseen by my two elections monitors, Brenda Bayes and Fred Neal who bring a combined 30 years of election experience. This is different information than was reported in the media yesterday. Media reported that Clackamas County officials shared that all potentially altered ballots would not be counted. This was inaccurate." The Oregon Department of Justice, which is conducting a criminal investigation into the matter, still has not released any information about the number of ballots involved or whether the suspect in the case, Deanna Swenson, was acting alone. ..... |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:04 PM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
92. Democrats take control of Oregon House, maintain majority in Senate
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Only first-term Rep. Julie Parrish of West Linn beat her Democratic opponent, former Rep. Carl Hosticka.
Democrats take control of Oregon House, maintain majority in Senate 9:36 AM, Nov 7, 2012 - http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20121107/NEWS/311070128/Democrats-take-control-Oregon-House-maintain-majority-Senate Democrats broke the tie in the Oregon House and maintained their majority in the Oregon Senate as a result of Tuesday's elections.
Democrats will lead Republicans in the House, 34-26 ... ... Although all 60 House seats were up for two-year terms, 10 seats were identified as the key political battlegrounds. Most were in the suburbs west, south and east of Portland, but Republicans also targeted one seat in the Mid-Valley and two in Eugene and Springfield. ... ... First-term Republicans who lost their re-election bids were Katie Eyre and Shawn Lindsay, both of Hillsboro; Patrick Sheehan of Clackamas and Matt Wand of Troutdale. Only first-term Rep. Julie Parrish of West Linn beat her Democratic opponent, former Rep. Carl Hosticka. .... |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:22 PM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
93. Lehan, Damon decline to concede citing ballot-tampering investigation = by Kari Chisholm
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Lehan, Damon decline to concede citing ballot-tampering investigation
Kari Chisholm - http://www.blueoregon.com/2012/11/lehan-damon-decline-concede-citing-ballot-tampering-investigation/ Charlotte Lehan and Jamie Damon continue to trail their Tea Party -backed opponents, John Ludlow and Tootie Smith, in the Clackamas County Commission races.
Both sent out emails this morning to supporters expressing their gratitude and sharing the vote-count update. Each also declined to concede, citing the ongoing investigation. Here's part of Lehan's statement: However, you are no doubt aware a Clackamas County elections employee is currently under investigation by the state Department of Justice for alleged ballot tampering and it's been reported she was marking ballots for my opponent. If these allegations turn out to be true it will be an unprecedented breach of trust and could call into question the integrity and validity of this election. ........ |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:13 AM
mfcorey1 (3,888 posts)
97. If she is a part of a larger compensated network of individuals tampering
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with ballots, I doubt that she will ever make it to court. It is a dark prediction, but so is much of the unknown about those who conspire to change election results.
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Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:50 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
98. More than one indictment possible in Clackamas ballot-tampering case
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More than one indictment possible in Clackamas ballot-tampering case
Kari Chisholm - http://www.blueoregon.com/2012/11/more-one-indictment-possible-clackamas-ballot-tampering-case/ In his latest story on the Clackamas ballot-tampering case, the O's Jeff Mapes uncovers a critical nugget of information:
Secretary of State Kate Brown said Friday that the Justice Department is continuing to investigate the case and that she expects an indictment "within the next two or three weeks." She also said it's possible more than one person will be indicted. That's right: It seems that investigators are digging in seriously to the idea that Deanna Swenson may not have acted alone in allegedly tampering with ballots. And of course, where there are two or more people acting together, you've got something much more serious - a planned conspiracy to commit fraud, .... |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:54 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
99. Ballot fraud allegations in Clackamas County could lead to changes in election procedures
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Ballot fraud allegations in Clackamas County could lead to changes in election procedures
Jeff Mapes, The Oregonian Nov 10, 2012 - http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/11/ballot_fraud_allegations_in_cl.html Allegations of ballot fraud by a Clackamas County election worker may lead to some immediate steps to make Oregon's voting system more secure -- as well as pressure for additional legislative changes. ... Local and national experts say this kind of fraud could occur in any state.
Doug Lewis, executive director of the National Association of Election Officials, said that a rogue election worker could attempt the same kind of fraud in any jurisdiction that uses paper ballots – which at a minimum are used by absentee voters everywhere. "If you set up your procedures correctly...it's more difficult than people think to mal-appropriate votes," said Lewis. "It's your procedures that save you or do you in." And it is those boring, by-the-book procedures that are receiving heavy scrutiny .... |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:33 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
100. OR: Observers keep sharp eye on ballot “enhancement”
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OR: Observers keep sharp eye on ballot “enhancement”
By Shelby Sebens / November 9, 2012 / http://watchdog.org/61829/or-observers-keep-sharp-eye-on-ballot-enhancement/ BEAVERTON – The election might be over but workers in Washington County were feverishly making their way through stacks of flawed ballots on Friday.
Workers across the state are in the process of enhancing and duplicating ballots that were either rejected from machines that read the paper ballots or flagged by elections workers as being unable to be read by the machines. And they were joined for the at least two-day process by observers from both sides of the political aisle who want to make sure the meticulous and tedious process is clean. ..... Bendl, Voter Integrity chair for the Washington County Republican Party, said. “The last thing a cheater wants is to get caught.” ... |
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:54 PM
Dems50State (147 posts)
102. how many other Republicans are doing this and haven''t been caught yet?
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 09:23 AM
Coyotl (5,160 posts)
105. Former Clackamas County elections employee Deanna Swenson indicted on ballot tampering charges
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 09:42 AM
sakabatou (29,105 posts)
106. Not surprised
Response to Coyotl (Original post)
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 10:01 AM
jpak (26,923 posts)
107. K&R and Bookmarked
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