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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:34 PM

Pennsylvania Bill Would Reduce Welfare Benefits For Women Who Cannot Prove They Were Raped

Source: ThinkProgress

A Pennsylvania House bill seeks to limit the amount of TANF assistance that low-income women receive based on the amount of children they give birth to while covered under the program.

Despite the fact that low-income women who give birth to children would logically need increased assistance to care for their larger family, Pennsylvania lawmakers ó State Reps. RoseMarie Swanger (R), Tom Caltagirone (D), Mark Gillen (R), Keith Gillespie (R), Adam Harris (R), and Mike Tobash (R) ó donít want their stateís welfare program to provide additional benefits for that newborn. If a woman gives birth to a child who was conceived from rape, she may seek an exception to this rule so that her welfare benefits arenít slashed, but only if she can provide proof that she reported her sexual assault and her abuserís identity to the police:

In determining the amount of assistance payments to a recipient family of benefits under the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) Program, the department shall revise the schedule of benefits to be paid to the recipient family by eliminating the increment in benefits under the program for which that family would otherwise be eligible as a result of the birth of a child conceived during the period in which the family is eligible for benefits under the TANF Program.

Elimination of benefits under subsection (d) shall not apply to any child conceived as a result of rape or incest if the department: (1) receives a non-notarized, signed statement from the pregnant woman stating that she was a victim of rape or incest, as the case may be, and that she reported the crime, including the identity of the offender, if known, to a law enforcement agency having the requisite jurisdiction or, in the case of incest where a pregnant minor is the victim, to the county child protective service agency and stating the name of the law enforcement agency or child protective service agency to which the report was made and the date such report was made.


Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/24/1083101/proposed-bill-food-stamp-benefits-raped/

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Reply Pennsylvania Bill Would Reduce Welfare Benefits For Women Who Cannot Prove They Were Raped (Original post)
Galraedia Oct 2012 OP
uppityperson Oct 2012 #1
roguevalley Oct 2012 #27
deadbrokediva Oct 2012 #35
aquart Oct 2012 #44
Odin2005 Oct 2012 #51
Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #54
wordpix Oct 2012 #45
-LOKI -BAD FOR YA Oct 2012 #55
Skinner Oct 2012 #2
Skittles Oct 2012 #13
HankyDub Oct 2012 #24
ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #38
-LOKI -BAD FOR YA Oct 2012 #56
justiceischeap Oct 2012 #26
deadbrokediva Oct 2012 #36
wordpix Oct 2012 #46
Odin2005 Oct 2012 #52
LTR Oct 2012 #3
txwhitedove Oct 2012 #25
LynneSin Oct 2012 #4
mrmpa Oct 2012 #8
GetTheRightVote Oct 2012 #20
-LOKI -BAD FOR YA Oct 2012 #57
donnasgirl Oct 2012 #10
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #32
ejpoeta Oct 2012 #5
bucolic_frolic Oct 2012 #6
woo me with science Oct 2012 #28
bettyellen Oct 2012 #59
maxsolomon Oct 2012 #7
defacto7 Oct 2012 #9
Hosnon Oct 2012 #11
pnwmom Oct 2012 #21
ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #39
Hosnon Oct 2012 #53
AzDar Oct 2012 #12
strongermessage Oct 2012 #14
awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #15
GitRDun Oct 2012 #16
itssimplestupid Oct 2012 #17
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #18
Divernan Oct 2012 #19
Divernan Oct 2012 #22
happyslug Oct 2012 #23
Liberalagogo Oct 2012 #29
blkmusclmachine Oct 2012 #30
benld74 Oct 2012 #31
still_one Oct 2012 #33
deadbrokediva Oct 2012 #34
wordpix Oct 2012 #47
FedUpWithIt All Oct 2012 #37
Fumesucker Oct 2012 #40
Rustycup Oct 2012 #41
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noel711 Oct 2012 #43
Moral Compass Oct 2012 #48
malthaussen Oct 2012 #49
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:36 PM

1. oh good lord wtf

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:25 PM

27. I am struggling to have a good general opinion of men here. Self loathing toad faced

sick bitches, I am used to. But these men ... I am feeling violence rising inside of me.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:03 AM

35. I hear ya sister

I'm ready to Thelma and Louise the whole lot of 'em.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:11 AM

44. May their tiny 2-inch dicks fall off so they have to sit to pee?

Or a more personal and eviscerating type of violence?

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:14 AM

51. I'm a guy and plenty of my fellow males disgust me.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:49 PM

54. Yep. What you said.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:59 AM

45. the "small government-keep your face out of my business" crowd at work keeping their faces IN our

vaginas and uteri.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #45)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:08 AM

55. it the ultimate form of control of women

vaginas seems to favorite topic for gop,alot of people like vaginas, i have my own personal favorite but you can not own them or control them .

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:37 PM

2. What is it with these people and rape?

They are awful.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:04 PM

13. they want to punish women who they see as enjoying sex

that's what it's all about

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Response to Skittles (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:16 PM

24. these people grew up on the "welfare queen" lie

 

They are evil.

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Response to HankyDub (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:30 AM

38. +1

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Reply #38)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:26 AM

56. i wish bobby was here today,thank you for minding me of words of wisdom, its in short supply here n\

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Response to Skinner (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:21 PM

26. It has nothing to do with rape and everything to do with abortion

and contraception, because to them contraception is just another form of abortion. I know this bill is specifically naming "rape" but it really goes back to getting closer to overturning Roe V. Wade.

I also think that a lot of the Teabagger's don't think rape happens, wink, wink, nod, nod.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:04 AM

36. They have tiny little peckers

That's what the real problem is.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:01 AM

46. they've never given a woman an orgasm

So they're obsessed with domination and "you WILL enjoy it."

??? but I'm not a psychiatrist so this is just a guess

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Response to Skinner (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:17 AM

52. I was wondering the same thing yesterday, Skinner.

I have a disabled friend who is a rape survivor and all these RW nuts saying stupid things about rape and rape survirors in just a few months just enrages me!!!

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:37 PM

3. Am I the only one who thinks...

...bringing up the topic of rape at all in politics is a really stupid idea?

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Response to LTR (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:21 PM

25. You are not the only one. GOP needs to spend more time and $ DENOUNCING rape.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:38 PM

4. I hope Kane gets elected Attorney General in PA

So she can investigate Corbett's ass and maybe get him impeached.

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:50 PM

8. from your lips to God's ears...........

Unfortunately the only way we can get rid of Corbett is through impeachment and not a recall. If Kane does her job correctly (once elected) she will investigate Corbett's inaction(s) in regard to the Sandusky case, his pressured removal of the Secretary who oversees our State Parks System (which is a beautiful system), a bill sitting on his desk that would allow new companies to forward only 5% of their employees state income taxes (keeping the other 95% for the company). I could go on and on, but it's time to get rid of Corbett.

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Response to mrmpa (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:03 PM

20. Truly outrageous...

I hope it works for the state and it's public.

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Response to mrmpa (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:53 AM

57. we have a new job on nov 7

we will get rid of him,the old fashion way voted him out same to king ,they can only last as far as we let them .the democrats have done alot for average person .we have clean food,air and water easily three of the most precious commodities for the rest of the world.



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Response to LynneSin (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:58 PM

10. I agree with you

But i would take it a step further,peole in other states should send Emails to the govenor and explain we will no longer spend a friggin dime in his precious state.Whay happened to the good people of that state?

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:19 PM

32. I voted for her. But then, who knows what will happen to my absentee ballot in Chester County?

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:40 PM

5. aren't these the same folks who want to ban abortion? i mean....

you can't have it both ways. either you support a woman's right to choose or you don't... but if you are going to force a woman to have a kid, then damnit you should be willing to help support the kid.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:44 PM

6. A Financial Incentive to Report Rape

Why are these state legislators headed down this path?

First they want women to have children. No family planning.
No abortions.

Now they only want the state to help provide for the children
if the children are the result of a rape. Is this a large population
we're talking about here gentlemen?

Is this compassionate conservatism?

Oh! Wait! These children are intended by God's will, so THAT's
why they want the state to help them.

No, that was in Indiana.

Sometimes it seems like God has 50 different state plans
to guide these GOP lawmakers.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:28 PM

28. Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 07:22 PM

59. so they can imprison men and lease them out to work for 50 cents an hour?

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:46 PM

7. The underlying policy is worse than the rape exception

If they are going to essentially ban women from pregnancy while recieving TANF, then they better be paying for birth control.

But somehow I don't think that benefit will be included, as the bill is intended to shame & punish.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:54 PM

9. "including the identity of the offender, if known"

means that if she knows who did it, she must report who it was. If she doesn't know who it was, then it becomes ambiguous. She can say she doesn't know, but now it could be challenged and she would have to prove it.

Why don't we have universal health care period, and do away with all this stupid needling, time wasting, costly, nonsense?

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:00 PM

11. I don't read a requirement to prove rape.

In any real sense. Yes, testimony must be provided but via affidavit. It isn't a high factual burden. However, it is testimony and can be used to impeach her later or prosecute her for perjury.

The bigger problem, in my opinion, is that she must testify that she reported the rape. In other words, if you don't report it as rape for whatever reason (including legitimate reasons such as safety concerns), then you will be denied benefits.

Shitty, shitty bill. For several reasons.

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Response to Hosnon (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:04 PM

21. The bigger problem is that these people claim to be pro life but they belie

that in every action they take. They don't care about real live babies -- they just care about having power over women.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:32 AM

39. +1

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:56 AM

53. Well, that too. +1

I was referring to the bill specifically.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:03 PM

12. I'd say "unbelievable"...but it's the Republican Party.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:05 PM

14. Corbutt and his teabagging cronies are killing Pennsylvania.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:06 PM

15. This country is becoming Bizarro world. nt

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:08 PM

16. So much for small government

More of the same...punish those without a lobbyist or any political power, cow-tow to the influential...I wish they spent this much time getting in the short hairs of Clean Air & Water violators, deceptive bankers, payday lenders, pick your constituent. Really screwed up priorities PA...way to go! And here I was embarrassed all our governors here in IL are in jail lol!

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:51 PM

18. Obviously they see this as an anti-slut law....

This may shock them, but America likes sluts.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:55 PM

19. Democrat Caltagirone has consistently sold out to the Republicans, especially Corbett.

The only Democrat signed on as a sponsor to this horrific piece of shit is 70+ year old Tom Caltagirone, who has been in the House for nearly 40 years - both a dinosaur and a DINO.

From The Pennsylvania Progresive:
http://www.thepennsylvaniaprogressive.com/diary/4199/rep-tom-caltagirone-hearts-gov-tom-
Rep. Tom Caltagirone (Hearts) Gov. Tom Corbett
by: John Morgan
Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 13:55:52 PM EDT

Gov. Corbett's office sent this Tweet yesterday: "I have served under 8 gov.s, this is the only governor I can truly say has pushed forward w/ the changes needed." said Rep Caltagirone, (D)

The love affair between Democrat Thomas Caltagirone and Gov. Thomas Corbett goes back a few years. I exposed him for sending a $500 campaign contribution to then Attorney General candidate Corbett the first time he ran for that office. I earned scorn and retribution from the State Representive and Democratic Chair of the House Judiciary Committee for that work. While I was brought up on charges of being a "bad Democrat" for releasing information on how a sitting Committee man gave material support to a Republican, he was never pursued by Berks County Chair Tom Herman.

He explained his donation numerous times by explaining to me that it was Corbett who got him off on charges he had lounged on a sofa in his District office naked one day awaiting a female staffer. When she entered and found him she ran out with the State Representative allegedly chasing her down South 10th Street in Reading.

No wonder the two Toms get along so well: one is in bed with the church and one with the gas industry. Both are sellouts who work against women and children in Harrisburg. Their cozy relationship goes back and Caltagirone's statement in support of Corbett defies logic and reason considering the enormous negative impact of this Governor.

Of course Corbett isn't the only Republican aided and abetted by Reading's resident scoundrel. After Dems finally regained a one vote majority in the House he infamously crossed the aisle and voted for (now) convicted felon John Perzel for Speaker.

So Tom Caltagirone supports the agenda being pushed out of the Governor's mansion? It's time either for this dinosaur to retire or for a real Democrat to send him there.
_______________________________________-
And here's a link to the story re Caltagirone's sexual assault on a female staffer
http://articles.mcall.com/1994-05-20/news/2976432_1_attorney-general-ernie-preate-harassment-special-prosecutor

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Response to Divernan (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:08 PM

22. As thank you from Corbett/GOP for selling out, the GOP let Caltagirone run unopposed in 2008,10 & 12

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:13 PM

23. Political Grandstanding, TANF is a FEDERAL program

Now, the State can determine how much each welfare recipient will get, but the Federal Government will pay 50% of what the state sets, PROVIDED the "State Plan" for TANF is accepted by the Federal Government. If the plan is NOT accepted, it must be adjusted if the State wants reimbursed not only for the Cash Amounts but also any Medical care paid for by the State for the Welfare Recipient.

Notice the requirement that the plan meets FEDERAL SPECIFICATIONS, if it does not the Plan has to be amended. The agency that determines if the State Plan meets Federal Requirement is the Federal Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). There is no appeal from a HHS determination, thus if the plan contains a clause in violation of Federal Law, the State will NOT get any reimbursement (i.e. the State will have to assume all welfare costs).

In Pennsylvania the Welfare grant for a "Budget Group" (The state name for a "Family") of one, the PA Welfare amount is $226 in Philadelphia, $206 in Pittsburgh, $174 in Johnstown, the rest of the Counties in the State has between the Pittsburgh and Johnstown amounts. The Federal Government thus will pay $113 to the State for every TANF recipient in Philadelphia, $103 for each one in Pittsburgh and $ 87.5o for each recipient in Johnstown PLUS one half of the State reimbursements for Medical Costs.

Now, under the Affordable Care act (Obama-care) the Federal Government will pay 100% of the medical cost for those people on Welfare but that kicks in next year.

There is no way the State will accept all the costs of Welfare nor will it cut off Welfare to Women with dependent Children (the only groups eligible for the Federal TANF program). Thus this is political grandstanding, nothing more.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

29. So after the rape

Are ladies supposed to get a receipt?

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:02 PM

30. Dominionists are working PA ((BIG TIME)) right now.

State by state, the Dominionists are a creeping cancer. They intend to kill this Democracy, any way they can.


OPERATION NORTHWOODS

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:11 PM

31. Are these 'leaders' being affected by the fracking chemicals in the state?

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:23 PM

33. The republican party actually hate women /nt

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:02 AM

34. Thank Goodness

I'm saving every single cent to get out of this backwards state and back home to my lovely Portland, Oregon, where compassion reigns and Thugs are in the minority.

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Response to deadbrokediva (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:05 AM

47. my friend who lives in MD but works in VA holds the same sentiment

"Yes, it would be great to live closer to work but I'm proud of my MD reps. The people running VA are thugs and stupid."

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:26 AM

37. Yuck. They are just so repellent to me.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:23 AM

40. Clearly in their their eyes the child of rape is God's will, the child of love is not

I see no other reason that religious people would entertain such an idea and we know all these state legislators are good Christian men.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:06 AM

41. This is like a twilight zone episode

These people go after Tail ban laws and then try to implement the same thing....Maybe someone needs to bring charges against men that rape and get the girl pregnant. Or even with no rape they should bring charges against me....coherts in crime (with those person hood laws).

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:16 AM

42. Adam Harris (R).

He's my stinkin', little weasel of a rep, grandstanding for his base.

He is running unopposed in November. I'll be doing a write-in vote.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:49 AM

43. This from the "pro Life" party..

This from a campaign that denies they have a 'war on women.'

And I know many people who will defend this movement.

Shame and Blame... all from men.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:12 AM

48. Simply Evil

Some bills are simply evil. This is one of them.

I know that this goes along with the "women getting rich off of welfare by having more babies" meme, but c'mon! Do the math. And then when you've finished doing that think who really gets screwed on this one...Those little babies you're always mewling about when they're fetuses.

Of course, none of these folks give a rip once the kid leaves the birth canal.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:28 AM

49. This is an outrage

A term I don't use lightly. I am aghast at the fact that a sufficient number of people exist who share these opinions to make it possible to elect cretins who would propose such laws. The Will to Evil is strong in this country; it needs to be confronted and destroyed. Lots of luck with that.

-- Mal

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:14 AM

50. We are going backwards to the 1800s.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #50)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 01:07 AM

58. no i think they want to go back 6000 years to the beginning of time ,jesus and the dinosaurs n\t

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