Scott Brown Exaggerated Afghanistan Military Service, Says Man Who Inspired Medal Bill
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON -- The man who inspired Sen. Scott Brown to write a bill making it illegal to falsely claim military honors said he thinks the Massachusetts Republican is stretching the truth when he claims to have "served in Afghanistan."
Brown made the Afghanistan declaration in his recent debate with his Democratic opponent for the Senate seat, Elizabeth Warren. But Brown's service in Afghanistan was not combat. It was part of his annual two-week stint with the National Guard, in which he requested, in a highly unusual move, to serve in Afghanistan.
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"I thought it was seriously misleading," said Sterner, whose website outing heroes was the basis for Brown's "Stolen Valor" bill. Sterner's criticism echoes a Boston Globe editorial published Thursday morning. "I think it does go to an issue of personal character and that concerns me," added Sterner, who earlier this year broke with Brown and has endorsed Warren.
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"I would be the last person to denigrate anybody's National Guard service, but I thought the claim, putting himself on par with men and women who have done combat tours, often in excess of a year, 14 months, was a pretty cheesy thing to do," Sterner said.
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MindMover
(5,016 posts)my thoughts EXACTLY LOL
As a veteran, I am personally insulted by Snotty Scotty though.
But, thanks for the laugh!
insulted. 13 months in the combat zone. He's a POS. two weeks with his feet up on a desk in a LARGE base camp probably.
calimary
(81,238 posts)Two weeks isn't NEARLY comparable to 13 months!!!!!
You've got class and he's got a lot of nerve. I've never served and even I am outraged by this!
pasto76
(1,589 posts)mortar round coulda made a bullseye on him in those 2 weeks, but in a typical tour, 2 weeks you are just getting your bearings.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)it took me two weeks to finally say on the mortar rounds, he's an prima donna diva. fuck him he woulda been in the bunker first screaming for his momma. ten-four on the 16.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)and much of that in the role as a typical Senator. The thing that is stupid is that he really would get some credit just for his years in the national guard - especially if he spoke modestly of it turning down praise from his supporters.
But, the fact is that he is not the Senator who has spent the most time working in Afghanistan - he is not even the MA Senator who has spent the most time there. Not to mention, Kerry's time was far better spent and far more important. (Not to mention - many in MA remember that the same people impressed with Brown's week in Afghanistan criticized as too little the time Kerry spent being a hero in a real war.)
mopinko
(70,090 posts)just ask deadbeat joe walsh.
Submariner
(12,503 posts)not even that long. 3 days transition training in DC, then 10 to 11 days in country. Probably playing billiards and ping pong because base commander didn't want a Senator hurt on his watch.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)as ranking member of Arms Services Committee.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021542286
roscoeroscoe
(1,370 posts)two tours, 24 months away from my wife. pretty lame move, scott brown, you didn't even qualify for family separation pay.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)glad you made it brother. Peace to you and your family. I appreciate your loyalty and service. But I guess you know that goes without saying. You brothers today with your 2-3 tours, fucking amazing, the strength of the american protectors!
calimary
(81,238 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)about anything
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)I was in the Air National Guard. I did not serve in a combat zone. All I did was show up, do what I was told, and walk away with a piece of paper saying "Honorable Discharge."
If the balloon had gone up and the Soviets would have sent Tupolevs and ICBM's at CONUS, chances are I would have been in a bunker somewhere like Cheyenne Mountain or Keflavik Iceland (comms puke).
There is no way I would put my service in the same category with those who actually got shot at, not to mention made the ultimate sacrifice.
My question is: OK, he went to A'stan as part of his AcDuTra (Active Duty For Training). What did he do, especially given that he was a Lieutenant Colonel?
I'm not going to call him a REMF because I was one myself.
ashling
(25,771 posts)the King and Queen of Afghanistan.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)ASKED to have his training in Afghanistan. I doubt there has been another JAG sent for one week to Afghanistan. The cost would be prohibitive. For the most part, he did what any SENATOR would do on a trip to a foreign country - and they also visit the troops from their state. He spoke of sleeping in their place and having meals with the MA national guard.
The key thing though is that this was a Scott Brown designed trip - and there are suspicions that it was for political reasons.
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Like you said, he's a senator in a combat zone. "Suspicions" is not the word you're looking for. If Warren really wanted to play Dirty, Nasty Politics (tm) she could make a lot of hay of this. But that is entirely beneath her and that's a good thing. Hmm, where's Michael Moore these days...
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)When I was in the military, A'stan was basically known as "the Soviet graveyard." There's no way I could have had my training there...because at that time I could never have foreseen the U.S. Military, not to mention our NATO and British Commonwealth allies, shedding blood there.
I honestly didn't know he was a JAG officer. I live in Michigan, not Massachusetts, so I'm not as familiar with his background. Wikipedia (as trustworthy or not as that may be) says that he is now a Colonel and that when he was in A'stan he spent most of his time in Kabul. I wore stripes, not brass, so, as we used to say, that's way above my paygrade.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Cha
(297,190 posts)wannabe senator.
What was that about him bragging he met with kings and queens?
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77697.html#ixzz29hh7zNqD
Brawawaa later he was said to have Misspoke about the kings and queens part. Rofl
4bucksagallon
(975 posts)Republican Chuckles Summers was a Public Affairs Officer, who once got near where there was some shooting and now proudly wears a CAB, no one is sure if it is from the one shot or from an extremely deep paper cut. One thing is for certain if a Republican makes claims of being a veteran check out their claims. They are usually spreading BS. When I was in Nam the large majority of what would be called Republicans, we called them juicers, were in the rear selling our supplies to the Commies on the black market. So yes one could say that Republicans are more capitalistic than most. If not for the fact that they don't always sell what is theirs to sell. After all greed is good and business is business. LOL!
dragonlady
(3,577 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:10 PM - Edit history (1)
A CIB-CAB(combat infantryman's badge) is not to be worn lightly and in my day was won in extremely stressful situations to put it mildly. Heads and juicers. Which one did I trust? Both most times. Peace.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Those two week includes their travel time. So knock 3 days off it. Than their unpacking all their gear and their training. They must attend briefings. Packing their gear back up. And so on. You get about 5 days of work out of them, if you're lucky.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)olddad56
(5,732 posts)he is such a loser that even the goppers are starting to see through him.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)money, property, or other tangible benefit" - Brown's "Stolen Valor" law
http://bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2012/10/18/when-comes-military-service-words-matter/v05LvvXyzUZCGLBcX2kyLM/story.html
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I really, really wish I could tell you, but the mission didn't "officially" exist, and I wasn't "officially" enlisted in any "official" armed forces...
southshore
(43 posts)In the past two years, the senator has also won a much-coveted promotion to colonel, one notch below general.
He secured it after a surprising transfer to the Maryland National Guard. Veteran observers of the Maryland Guard say it is the first time the states main judge advocate general corps, the militarys equivalent of a law firm, has had four colonels attached to it. Military manning documents authorize it for one.
Browns dual roles and transfer have created a rare phenomenon: a US senator from Massachusetts sworn as a military officer to uphold the constitution of Maryland and, should the need arise, to take orders from Governor Martin OMalley of Maryland.
Browns uniform bears a Guard emblem for Maryland, a state where he does not live, work, or fulfill his duty.
[link:http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/10/11/brown-guard-service-has-taken-political-patina-since-joined-senate/10YtaEcoRONsXFD0Zok7QJ/story.html?camp=pm|