Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:08 PM
DonViejo (4,714 posts)
Todd Akin Suggests Employers Should Be Able To Pay Women Less
Source: TPM
Todd Akin appeared to endorse allowing employers to pay women less than men at a town hall on Thursday. Gender discrimination in compensation has been illegal in the United States since the passage of the 1963 Equal Pay Act. But in video provided by Sen. Claire McCaskill's campaign, Akin responded to a question about the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act -- which made it easier for workers to sue over unequal pay -- by suggesting that employers shouldn't even be barred from paying women less in the first place. Here's a transcript: AUDIENCE MEMBER: You voted against the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Why do you think it is okay for a woman to be paid less for doing the same work as a man? AKIN: Well, first of all, the premise of your question is that I'm making that particular distinction. I believe in free enterprise. I don't think the government should be telling people what you pay and what you don't pay. I think it's about freedom. If someone what’s to hire somebody and they agree on a salary, that's fine, however it wants to work. So, the government sticking its nose into all kinds of things has gotten us into huge trouble. Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/todd-akin-suggests-employers-should-be-able-to
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| DonViejo | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| onehandle | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| pnwmom | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Sep 2012 | #45 | |
| pnwmom | Sep 2012 | #48 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Sep 2012 | #49 | |
| pnwmom | Sep 2012 | #51 | |
| oldsarge54 | Sep 2012 | #61 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Sep 2012 | #66 | |
| pnwmom | Sep 2012 | #69 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Sep 2012 | #70 | |
| Stuart G | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| tech3149 | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| Delmette | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| tech3149 | Sep 2012 | #31 | |
| Delmette | Sep 2012 | #33 | |
| tech3149 | Oct 2012 | #73 | |
| Darth_Kitten | Sep 2012 | #67 | |
| xmas74 | Sep 2012 | #39 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Sep 2012 | #47 | |
| johnlucas | Sep 2012 | #72 | |
| Bernardo de La Paz | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| Patiod | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| Bernardo de La Paz | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| Sherman A1 | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| xmas74 | Sep 2012 | #40 | |
| Javaman | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| DallasNE | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| etherealtruth | Sep 2012 | #34 | |
| randome | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| Tx4obama | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| kiranon | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| midnight | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| The Last Democrat | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| Zoeisright | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| Blue_Tires | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| JDPriestly | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| BlueJazz | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| NightOwwl | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| RC | Sep 2012 | #35 | |
| xmas74 | Sep 2012 | #41 | |
| Swede Atlanta | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| wutang77 | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| Ash_F | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| tclambert | Sep 2012 | #25 | |
| Fresh_Start | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| tanyev | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| Manifestor_of_Light | Sep 2012 | #64 | |
| christx30 | Sep 2012 | #65 | |
| McCamy Taylor | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| McCamy Taylor | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| MichiganVote | Sep 2012 | #30 | |
| randome | Sep 2012 | #32 | |
| Third Doctor | Sep 2012 | #36 | |
| StevePaulson | Sep 2012 | #37 | |
| yardwork | Sep 2012 | #38 | |
| pnwmom | Sep 2012 | #58 | |
| yardwork | Sep 2012 | #68 | |
| L0oniX | Sep 2012 | #42 | |
| elbloggoZY27 | Sep 2012 | #43 | |
| volstork | Sep 2012 | #44 | |
| kooljerk666 | Sep 2012 | #46 | |
| hrmjustin | Sep 2012 | #50 | |
| liberal N proud | Sep 2012 | #52 | |
| lumpy | Sep 2012 | #53 | |
| patrice | Sep 2012 | #54 | |
| Politicub | Sep 2012 | #55 | |
| Brigid | Sep 2012 | #56 | |
| Scairp | Sep 2012 | #57 | |
| patrice | Sep 2012 | #59 | |
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| daleo | Sep 2012 | #62 | |
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| Don C. Nuttin | Sep 2012 | #71 |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:09 PM
onehandle (35,998 posts)
1. 'Huge trouble.'
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For Neanderthals.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:11 PM
pnwmom (43,749 posts)
2. Just recently, I had a couple DUers ask me why passing an Equal Rights Amendment would even matter
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when I said I didn't approve of women getting drafted unless and until we had an ERA.
This is why. Without an amendment, anything could happen in any state represented by people like Akin. |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #2)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:45 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
45. Discriminating against someone on pay
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based on their gender is already illegal.
So why would it take an ERA to prevent something that is currently against the law? |
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #45)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:25 PM
pnwmom (43,749 posts)
48. Because current law can be changed by a simple majority vote. And current law
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Last edited Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:28 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) still allows places like Walmart to pay women less than men, according to the Supreme Court.
A constitutional amendment would give much greater protection. |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #48)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:27 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
49. So just to be clear: no rights are being infringed on currently
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Last edited Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:30 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) your entire concern is on some hypothetical future where all current anti-discrimination laws have been repealed.
In that case shouldn't the fact that only males are eligible for the draft be a concern since of course we reinstate the draft at any moment simply following a majority vote? Actually all it would take to make women or blacks or anyone non-citizens would be a constitutional amendment. We've had those before. So by your logic no one has any rights at the moment. Not for real anyway. They could be taken away with simply a massive political undertaking for which there is no public will and would ensure political suicide for all involved. |
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #49)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:32 PM
pnwmom (43,749 posts)
51. Did you hear about the Walmart cases? The Supreme Court had no problem with
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Last edited Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:35 PM USA/ET - Edit history (3) Walmart paying women less than men, and Scalia said that women are not a protected class under the Constitution.
So no, I don't agree that no rights of women are being infringed on currently. We protect the rights of people based on race and religion; we should also protect them based on gender. If men are worried that they might be unfairly subject to a draft at any time, then they should all be pushing for an Equal Rights Amendment, which would help them, too. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/scalia-constitution-does-not-p.html Justice Antonin Scalia has weighed in on the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, leaving women's rights activists seething. In an interview with California Lawyer, Scalia said that the Constitution itself does not protect women and gay men and lesbians from discrimination. Such protections are up to the legislative branch, he said. |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #51)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:50 PM
oldsarge54 (582 posts)
61. Our good friend Scalia
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Also struck down the first 13 words (42%) of the 2nd Amendment, being that is has no application anymore.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #51)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:10 AM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
66. It is illegal to pay women less than men
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for doing the same job.
If they were not doing the same job (ie working fewer hours, carrying less, etc) then it is fine to pay them less. So no, I don't agree that no rights of women are being infringed on currently. We protect the rights of people based on race and religion; we should also protect them based on gender. We do. It is illegal to discriminate based on gender. Except for some things like the draft, which you're ok with. If men are worried that they might be unfairly subject to a draft at any time, then they should all be pushing for an Equal Rights Amendment, which would help them, too. Yeah because that's what the ERA is about. |
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #66)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 04:12 PM
pnwmom (43,749 posts)
69. You need to learn some history.
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One of the major objections to the ERA was that it would necessarily lead to women being drafted. Everyone agreed that it would have that consequence.
The ERA isn't just about women -- it's about men, too. |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #69)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 04:40 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
70. Seems pointless then
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The only ingrained legal discrimination based on gender is the draft system.
You don't need a constitutional amendment to get rid of that. Just end the draft system. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:14 PM
Stuart G (7,733 posts)
3. Well, Well Well, isn't it swell..........
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Last edited Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:15 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Good by, Todd Aikens good by
...defend this remark, you can try.. But ..please don't get too blue... .. WhenMissouri voters..say Fuck YOU!!! |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:19 PM
tech3149 (3,320 posts)
4. Is this stupid freak married?
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I was married for 29 years to the most intelligent and thoughtful woman on the earth. That and my experience in the working world has shown me that the women were always smarter, less egotistical, and more receptive to alternative ideas.
For my money, I think it's time that women rule the world. |
Response to tech3149 (Reply #4)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:26 PM
Delmette (57 posts)
22. The women in Iceland
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Who were elected to public offices seem to be doing just fine. I think that the white Christian men who have been running this are figuring out that they are a minority now and they don't like it.
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Response to Delmette (Reply #22)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:56 PM
tech3149 (3,320 posts)
31. Someday I'd like to write an historical book
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I'd love it to be titled "When Women Ruled the World" Even more, I'd like to be able to read it to a grand niece, or a neighbor's child, or a bunch of five year olds overwhelming some underpaid and overstressed teacher.
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Response to tech3149 (Reply #31)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:09 AM
Delmette (57 posts)
33. Sign me up...
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For the first copy!
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Response to Delmette (Reply #33)
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 01:18 AM
tech3149 (3,320 posts)
73. I'm not sure if I'll ever get it done, but you should check this out
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Hahna Rosen "The end of men and the rise of women"
It's a new book coming out and I'm listening to an interview with the author, sounds like it will be a great read. |
Response to tech3149 (Reply #4)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:33 PM
xmas74 (24,600 posts)
39. He's married
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and his wife is supposedly even more staunch in their beliefs.
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Response to tech3149 (Reply #4)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:15 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
47. "women are always smarter, less egotistical, and more receptive . . ."
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You realize this is a bigoted statement yes?
Just flip the genders and it becomes obvious. |
Response to tech3149 (Reply #4)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:26 PM
johnlucas (800 posts)
72. Eh. Women can be just as bad as men
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I love that women have more choices in how to direct their lives than ever before.
But I don't buy into the notion that paradise will come from a woman's rule. Women are not better than men. Men are not better than women. They are co-dependent on each other for survival. There are no men without women. And there are no women without men. Women can be just as much buttholes as men can be. The details may differ but the effect is the same. Men can be good just as much as women can. Women can be good just as much as men can. This Boys Club/Girls Club stuff was fine for the sandbox but in reality it does us no favors. You want WISE people to rule. Wise men. Wise women. Wisdom is not predicated on gender. I'm willing to vote for the 1st female American President. No problem with that. But not if that female was Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann. Women aren't always smart, DO have big egos, & AREN'T always receptive to alternative ideas. I know you love your wife & it's flavoring what you put in your post here but good & bad exist in BOTH genders. Choose wisdom over genitalia & you won't ever get it confused. John Lucas |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:23 PM
Bernardo de La Paz (7,142 posts)
5. McCaskill wanted Caveman Akin for a punching bag and skillfully got him. He continues to oblige. nt
Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #5)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:26 PM
Patiod (11,514 posts)
7. Aiken - the gift that keeps on giving
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God Bless the Tea Party for this.
They take safe seats (like the Senate seat from Delaware) and hand it on a silver platter to buffoons like Aiken or O'Donnell. |
Response to Patiod (Reply #7)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:38 PM
Bernardo de La Paz (7,142 posts)
11. McCaskill has an ad budget in reserve and held back on pounding him so that he would stay in. nt
Response to Patiod (Reply #7)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:45 PM
Sherman A1 (11,797 posts)
13. Indeed
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He does however provide great entertainment value.
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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #5)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:34 PM
xmas74 (24,600 posts)
40. And people on DU complain about Claire!
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She's done a brilliant job with this campaign so far. She has a reserve and will begin using it, starting in October.
I can't wait to once again send my vote her way. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:23 PM
Javaman (40,858 posts)
6. doubling down on stupid seems to be republican strategy for this election. nt
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:28 PM
DallasNE (3,061 posts)
8. By Extension
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Akin could also be against keeping companies from hiring people based on race, religion, party affiliation -- you name it because that would be free enterprise. Besides, that after all, fits the bill of the "government sticking its nose into all kinds of things".
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Response to DallasNE (Reply #8)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:19 AM
etherealtruth (8,428 posts)
34. I am inclined to believe that is exactly what he meant
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:30 PM
randome (14,023 posts)
9. And his political consultant compared him to being under seige...like David Koresh!
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TPM's headline on this snippet: "I Mean, WTF?"
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/consultant-compares-akins-fortitude-to-that-of-david?ref=fpblg |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:39 PM
kiranon (1,417 posts)
12. Would he say the same if only males/Christians were paid less?
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Of course not.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 04:35 PM
midnight (23,879 posts)
14. Akin promoting right to work legislation.... Oppression is his M.O.
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 04:37 PM
The Last Democrat (73 posts)
15. The reason
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Last edited Fri Sep 28, 2012, 04:39 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) the Gov. has it’s noise in it….is the employers don’t pay enough to live on, not hard for we the people to understand. Maybe he should pass up his next pay raise if he goings back to Washington. His remark is just another reason to not vote for him.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 04:44 PM
Zoeisright (8,010 posts)
16. That guy should be deported.
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He is literally as unAmerican as they come.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:02 PM
Blue_Tires (31,877 posts)
17. Funny...Ron Paul along with the Birchers have given the EXACT same reason
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for opposing Civil Rights and integration...
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:03 PM
JDPriestly (38,342 posts)
18. Who is us?
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So, the government sticking its nose into all kinds of things has gotten us into huge trouble.
What "us" is he talking about? Certainly doesn't include me. I'm a woman. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:07 PM
BlueJazz (17,904 posts)
19. It's a good and holy thing that I'm not a violent person. cause if I were....
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...I'd beat this piece-of-human garbage, shitbags face in.
What a slap in the face to all the hard working females out there... |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:13 PM
NightOwwl (5,271 posts)
20. He doesn't like the gov't
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sticking its nose into all kinds of things...
unless it's your vagina. |
Response to NightOwwl (Reply #20)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:20 AM
RC (21,870 posts)
35. You mean like this?
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"Insurance Company Fined Over $1 Million for Covering Missourians’ Abortions and Contraceptives"
http://jezebel.com/5946994/insurance-company-fined-over-1-million-for-covering-missourians-abortions-and-contraceptives |
Response to RC (Reply #35)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:40 PM
xmas74 (24,600 posts)
41. I heard about this the other day.
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Supposedly the fine isn't just for that but for things that the insurance didn't cover. (someone I know in mental health said something about autism spectrum. Whether that's true or not...) Anyway, even if $1 of that fine is for offering coverage of abortions and contraceptives it sucks. Makes me glad I work for a large corporation here in Missouri that would prefer we not get pregnant, due to possible medical issues w/o early prevention.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:16 PM
Swede Atlanta (2,338 posts)
21. They seem to believe that blatant, open discrimination based on sex is perfectly fine.......
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I don't think that will sit well with many female voters in Missouri. I have no issue with the "right to contract" where an employer and employee agree to a salary and benefits package. But that must be moderated by a requirement that differences must be based exclusively on neutral characteristics.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:40 PM
wutang77 (31 posts)
23. Akin is trolling at this point right?
Response to wutang77 (Reply #23)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:40 PM
Ash_F (1,867 posts)
24. I know right, it's surreal. /nt
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:53 PM
tclambert (5,602 posts)
25. Is Akin intentionally trying to distract voters from the stupid things Mitt Romney says?
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No. No. That would require some intelligence, some ability to comprehend the consequences of saying the stupid things he himself says. So just no.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:55 PM
Fresh_Start (7,329 posts)
26. the first we should do is remove the 'fixed' payment for members of congress from our statutes
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at the end of their terms, the voters get to decide how much they are worth.
Free market, don't you say |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 06:38 PM
tanyev (22,142 posts)
27. "And you know women miss more days of work, what with their monthlies and all."
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*Not intended to be a factual quote |
Response to tanyev (Reply #27)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:41 AM
Manifestor_of_Light (16,454 posts)
64. Then women should have reasonable accommodations made
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for what would be defined as a periodic, recurring disability.
Like paid illness leave. I can dream, can't I??? The work world makes no allowances for any physical or mental needs. |
Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #64)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 07:09 AM
christx30 (1,211 posts)
65. That's because to the work world
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you are a piece of equipment: Easily replaceable. They don't give the coffee maker days off for leaks, right? They just get a new coffee maker.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 07:18 PM
McCamy Taylor (13,718 posts)
28. So he is good with firing Americans and hiring illegal immigrants for lower wages?
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And child labor is ok, too?
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 07:19 PM
McCamy Taylor (13,718 posts)
29. Keep talking, Todd. You cost your whole party votes.
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:21 PM
MichiganVote (19,075 posts)
30. I firmly believe there's a boy scout in this guy's closet
Response to MichiganVote (Reply #30)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 11:10 PM
randome (14,023 posts)
32. You may be right.
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The man just reeks of creepiness. Just looking at him makes my skin crawl. There is SOMETHING not right about him.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:46 AM
Third Doctor (1,027 posts)
36. Damn! This
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guy is like a bull in a china shop!
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:16 AM
StevePaulson (49 posts)
37. Akin Lives In A Bubble
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Republicans live in an alternate universe.
http://republicansareadisease.com/?p=52996 < - Alternate Universe Article They all live in a bubble where they think "people" think it should be ok to pay women less than men for the same work, just because you can. They call it "freedom" or some other bs. Good luck with that one Akin you freak. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:23 AM
yardwork (37,173 posts)
38. This is the Republican Party line. The strong now have "freedom" to lie, cheat, and steal.
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Basically, anything goes. If you are stronger than other people, then you should be allowed the "freedom" to steal from them, abuse them, let them starve to death, let them die. That's the message of the Republican Party now.
Many of the people who are trying to take away all government assistance themselves benefited from government assistance. It's how they became wealthy and powerful. There is no dissonance in their minds. They "won." That gives them the right to keep everything themselves. This is what we're up against. |
Response to yardwork (Reply #38)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:16 PM
pnwmom (43,749 posts)
58. That's right. Under their Libertarian economic policy, the owners are free to do anything they want.
Response to pnwmom (Reply #58)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:44 AM
yardwork (37,173 posts)
68. They don't believe in democracy. They believe in a completely different system.
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:59 PM
L0oniX (18,013 posts)
42. Hey Akin ...please keep speaking from your cold, dead, obsolete, caveman heart.
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:59 PM
elbloggoZY27 (283 posts)
43. No N0 & NO
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Women should get equal pay.
End of this Debate. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:40 PM
volstork (1,227 posts)
44. Effin hypocrite
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"So, the government sticking its nose into all kinds of things has gotten us into huge trouble."
They believe this until it applies to sexual behavior or to abortion, then they are ALL ABOUT the government "sticking its nose into all kinds of things..." |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:47 PM
kooljerk666 (776 posts)
46. If a nice rape is ok..........
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then women will love a fucking too.........(sarc)
GOTO hell & burn Aikin (no SARC) |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:29 PM
hrmjustin (10,690 posts)
50. As a gay man, I hate Women haters.
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makes me sick
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:32 PM
liberal N proud (43,926 posts)
52. This creep shouldn't even be close in this race
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He is proof that the republicans would vote for an ax murder.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:50 PM
lumpy (12,146 posts)
53. Many years ago I worked for a bank as a teller. I knew I was making less than a fellow male
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teller doing the same job. I approached my boss one day to ask why I did make less for doing the same job. His reply was that that the guy had a family to support. I made the point that I was a single mother supporting my child with $50.00 mo. child support. He had no answer for that, only sympathy (for being a woman, I guess) and simply that that was the way it is. Cold hard fact. I am happy that women have made some inroad in that respect.
Akin the Ass has no conception what freedom is all about. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:51 PM
patrice (47,711 posts)
54. So, it's okay having a man & a woman in the same job & paying either one of them less. nt
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:55 PM
Politicub (5,930 posts)
55. We need the ERA
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To close the door on this kind of thing once and for all.
The genius of the ERA is its simplicity: Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Section 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:01 PM
Brigid (10,744 posts)
56. Dear Todd Akin:
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You say it's about freedom, and that if a job applicant agrees to a wage, however paltry, it's all good? You seem to be saying that if the wage is too low the person shouldn't take the job? Well, here's a little news for you: When somebody's applying for a job, they're not bargaining from a position of strength. Certainly not these days. They take a job on terms they are forced to accept, or no job. If you knew anything about how people really lived, you would understand that.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:04 PM
Scairp (2,253 posts)
57. He is such a pig
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I wish he would just fuck off and die already.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:21 PM
patrice (47,711 posts)
59. Bet y' Toddy is all for pay parity when the Good-ol'-boys are setting it for CEOs across the nation.
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Last edited Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:23 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Lavish CEO pay doesn't work as intended: study
http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/27/14125675-lavish-ceo-pay-doesnt-work-as-intended-study?lite#__utma=238145375.1607569865.1342448430.1345527900.1348799192.23&__utmb=238145375.1.10.1348799192&__utmc=238145375&__utmx=-&__utmz=238145375.1348799192.23.4.utmcsr=drudgereport.com Talk about how the cream rises until it sours and the perpetuation of a mediocresy:
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:24 PM
davidn3600 (1,448 posts)
60. In the end, it's about social programming
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It is how we are raised. The perception that our society has had for centuries is that the woman stays home and raises the kids. The man works and provides. This is still very much ingrained within the psyche of our society today. To some men, they would not be able to accept a relationship when their wife makes as much (or more) than they do. It becomes an ego thing. So there is an attempt to rig the system to maintain the advantage.
And it isn't just men either. There are women who would refuse to date men that make less money than they do. Because they think it's the man's job to make more. I dont know if we necessarily need more laws as much as society needs to change how it views the family unit. I think right now we are still in the middle of a transition period as far as this issue is concerned. When you look at the attitude of the youth today, it's much more gender neutral. While when you look at older folks, there are still a push to maintain barriers between the genders. It's not something that can be solved at the snap of the fingers. It's a process. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:22 PM
daleo (19,953 posts)
62. Naive Liberterianism is stupid
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His remarks seem to be of that ilk.
P.S. All Liberterianism is either naive, or insincere, in my opinion. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:34 AM
AllyCat (7,557 posts)
63. Hasn't gotten anyone into huge trouble except you and the other misogynists
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who say stupid $hit like this Todd.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:11 PM
Don C. Nuttin (84 posts)
71. Not an issue as big as the man.
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Equal pay for equal work just isn't a big enough issue for a man whose own people compare him with David Koresh.
A consultant for Rep. Todd Akin likened the Senate candidate to David Koresh on Friday, saying Akin's ability to withstand GOP pressure to withdraw from the Missouri race was like the cult leader's resistance during the deadly 1993 standoff with federal authorities. Consultant Kellyanne Conway said she has expressed her opinion to Akin "for a while now," adding Akin was successfully able to sustain the aftermath of his controversial rape comments last month. "The first day or two where it was like the Waco with the David Koresh situation where they're trying to smoke him out with the SWAT teams and the helicopters and the bad Nancy Sinatra records. Then here comes day two and you realize the guy's not coming out of the bunker. Listen, Todd has shown his principle to the voters," Conway, CEO of The Polling Company, said on a radio show hosted by Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. |

