California Man Linked to Anti-Islam Film in Custody for Hearing

[Hissyspit]

Last edited Fri Sep 28, 2012, 04:04 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: Reuters

California man linked to anti-Islam film in custody: Court Spokesman

LOS ANGELES | Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:30pm EDT
(Reuters) - A California man linked to an anti-Islam film that stoked violent protests across the Muslim world was in custody on Thursday, a court spokesman said ahead of bail hearing in Los Angeles.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, has been under investigation by probation officials looking into whether he violated the terms of his 2011 release from prison on a bank fraud conviction while making the film.

As a condition of his release, he was barred from accessing the Internet or using aliases without the permission of a probation officer, court records show.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/27/us-usa-film-protests-idUSBRE88Q1VE20120927

[MADem]

1. I knew they'd get him on probation violation. There's not much else they can do

To jail with him!

[Heather MC]

3. I know what they could do to him

umm due to a clerical error accidently deport him to Egpyt with a T-shirt that says I am the guy who made that youtube video

[MADem]

9. It gets stranger and stranger...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17/nakoula-basseley-nakoula-federal-informant_n_1891661.html

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula Was A Federal Informant, According To Court Documents


Not the first time he's violated probation....

Previous reports also tied Nakoula to a 1997 methamphetamine conviction, which earned him a one year jail sentence and three years probation. A probation violation sent Nakoula back to jail for another year.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/feds-arrest-nakoula-578341

Included in his probation terms were prohibitions on his use of the Internet, unless he secured prior approval from his probation officer. Additionally, he was not to “use, for any purpose or in any manner, any name other than his/her true legal name or names without the prior written approval of the Probation Officer.”

While producing “Innocence of Muslims,” Nakoula repeatedly used the alias “Sam Bacile” (and other variants) in communications, online postings, and dealings with cast and crew working on the film.

[loli phabay]

13. uh so the punishment for being an idiot is the death penalty now

How about if you insult mormons you should be dropped of in the desert somewhere.

[MADem]

16. You're saying that the Egyptians would not respect the rule of law, then. nt

[loli phabay]

17. erm what do you think. honestly how long would he last on the street

Remember the religious nuts kill people with no connection to stuff imagine them actually getting him. No i dont think the mob that would ensue would hold him until the popo arrives. I see himnstarring in his own youtube movie courtesy of the muslim brotherhood.

[MADem]

23. Why would he even get to "the street?" Egypt isn't the wild west.

They have police, and customs, and international sterile areas in their airports, and everything to control entry into and egress from their nation. They also have prisons where people can be kept securely.

Muhamad Hosni Al Sayyid Mubarak continues to live.

He's not terribly popular, either.

[loli phabay]

25. if you read the posts its about dropping him on the street

Anyway do you support sending him over there even if he didnt commit a crime here. What happens if we then get told well all glbt in the states are breaking saudi law especially anyone in youtube engaging in any aspect and they want us to extradite. How far do we go to appease the mob.

[MADem]

38. That's a very poor example you used.

First, "all glbt" aren't inciting others to violence with a film that is deliberately insulting, and "all glbt" aren't Egyptian. They also aren't doing anything ILLEGAL under US law. This clown WAS doing something illegal under US law--he was breaking his probation by using an alias and using the internet without the specific permission of his probation officer.

Does this guy retain his Egyptian citizenship? That's a question worth answering. Do we continue to have a valid extradition agreement with this new government in Egypt? And most importantly, do the Egyptians have a valid complaint in support of extradition and are they even asking for such a thing?

He won't go anywhere (save jail for probation violation--something he DID do) unless those questions are answered to the satisfaction of US authorities.

[Heather MC]

18. I don't insult Mormons, and at this point when you look at the deaths that have occured as a result

of this video, and I am not talking about Benegazi, there have been dozens of people killed during demonstrations. And two more Marines that have not been reported about as much because of the recent 9/11 terrorist attack.

Because of that, Let him have to anwser to the people he insulted. He may live they may just water board him who knows, but drop him back in Egypt, we would just be taking him home. He might enjoy a visit with some long lost cousins

[loli phabay]

19. wow just wow whos next on your list what about rushdie or the danish guy

What about that one toime you insulted the prophet were does it end.

[Heather MC]

20. It is well known thanks to Rushdie

that Many Muslims are very very passionate about their Beliefs. It is also well known that there is no greater insult to people of the Muslim faith than insulting the prophet. Rushdie was not intending to create that level of turmoil. This Guy was seriously hoping to create an October surprise it is no accident of the timing of this video. Now I have no proof that this was there number one intention. but from what I have read, it is the conclusion that I am drawing. And you now what, if you play with fire you deserve to get burned. They knew they would inflame these people's passion about the Prophet, because it's been done before with Rushdie with the Danish Guy and the Cartoon. IF a Cartoon would set them off, just think what a VIDEO WOULD DO!!!

I just don't think he should be our propblem, if he wants to start an international incident then he has earned the consequences whatever that maybe. and let that be a lesson to anyone else who thinks it's ok to purposely incite the rage of a massive group of people for political reasons.

[loli phabay]

21. you know the video is months old. i am just wondering if mormons start killing

Just because people insult them will that mean you would support handing anyone who insults brigham to them for street justice. As i asked were will it end and how far would you be willing to push blasphemy laws. What other groups of citizens would you willingly hand over just because tbey insult soke religious nutjobs.

[Heather MC]

22. The Video is Months old

the translation into Arabic was posted on YT 9/9/12 by 9/11 it was reported on an Arabic News station then the protest began.

As far as I know Mormons don't have a history of violent protest because someone insulted the Smith Guy or Brigham Young.

There is a well documented history of what happens when the Prophet is insulted. So WHY DO IT? What was the point? I believe it was create the chaos that happened, and yes he should answer for that, at the very least since you don't want him to suffer street justice, He should have to pay for the damages that came about because of the protest. If he was able to raise money for that stupid movie, maybe his benefactors will come to his aide for legal fees.

How's that a comprimise. but let him be dealt with in the countries he created the problem in

[loli phabay]

24. i guess the followers of other religions should be more violent then we will give in

Do you really want to go down that road. What about we apply that rule to where you live and let whoever is the most violent get their way all the time. Better make sure you do as they want or there will be violence and we will just give you over to them.

[Heather MC]

26. I would first have to do something to purposely insult them

I can't walk in this man's shoes. I don't make it my business to raise money to make a crappy movie designed to inflame and enrage people.

[loli phabay]

27. you realise that you probiably do insult the nuts in lots of ways

Ask yourself this question if you lived under the taliban or saudi religious police could you live uour life as you do. Then think about any other group of religious nuts and im sure yoj will realise that just by being you tbey would have issues with.

[Heather MC]

28. Again just being me, is not being intentionally

insulting. This main wanted to insult them, that was his goal. And he succeeded. In my life my goal is to be a great wife, an Awesome mom, and a ZUMBA instructor who can make it through one class without making a mistake.

But my life is not designed to purposely make an entire religious group angry.

Now I understand they choose to react a certain way. And I am attempting to raise my boys to not believe or live by the statement, "he made me mad" I teach my children to control their reactions. well I am trying. But these people are taught to believe and react a certain way to the Prophet. And the people who made the video knew that.

And they are just as guilty as the people who killed during the protest. It was a result they hoped for. Even Mitt Romney couldn't stop smiling he was so giddy for the turmoil.

[loli phabay]

29. well you better hope zumba whatever that is dosent end up as the next great insult ;)

[Heather MC]

30. Well I do teach in a Muslim school sometimes

as long as it's only women and no men are in the building everyone is happy!



I am heading to bed I promise. Nice to have a conversation with someone who disagreed with me that didn't end with a threat of you kicking me off your FB friends list. LOL

At least I am not a wing nut, that's got to count for something I hope

[Missycim]

33. Wow what does he have to answer for?

he is not responsible for the killings and you ARE suggesting we drop him a country that kills people who insult Islam.

[marble falls]

48. No, strapped to the roof of a stationwagon in a kennel box.

[Missycim]

32. Another nail in Free speeches coffin.

Please don't tell me about his probation, if this was a run of the mill case they wouldn't have brought him in.

[MADem]

35. Another nail in "Yelling Fire in a Crowded Theater's" coffin, perhaps....

I think his lousy production values on that piece of shit film should be good for six months behind bars, at a minimum....

If this were a "run of the mill case," we wouldn't be discussing it, so I'm not really understanding your ire on that score. This isn't a "run of the mill case," and the question is, was he producing "art" or "an opinion" or was he crafting a deliberate and targeted incitement to riot?

At the end of the day, though, that question might not ever be answered. Probation violation can put him back behind bars, all by itself, no need for a trial. His probation said--plainly--no more "aliases," and don't use the computer without the permission of the probation officer.

He violated probation on those two points. Game, set, match.

[Missycim]

36. Now picture this person making a video or going on the

internet fighting for a cause YOU back. I am sure you would think differently. Its amazing what people will forgive when its your axe being ground.


I don't care if he caused a 100 riots, this is just an attempt to appease the masses in Egypt/libya, no more no less.

[MADem]

37. I wouldn't back a "cause" that consists of accusing long-dead historical/religious figures of crimes

against children, because that's not a "cause"--that's just being childishly mean. "My human representative of a deity is better than YOUR perverse and dreadful human representative of a deity!" I mean, really...it's all stupidity, not designed to enlighten, but crafted soley to incite.

What I hear YOU saying, though, is that his "free speech" is more important than the laws of the state of California and/or the federal government. This man has done time in jail before for other crimes. He's ALSO violated probation before, and gotten sent back to jail before. This isn't his first rodeo.

He violated probation yet again by doing what he did. He had very SPECIFIC restrictions on his conduct and he violated them. No aliases, and ask permission before using the internet. Two lousy, simple little things. He broke his probation contract, and he did it knowingly. He should go back to jail again. No "passes" just because it's YOUR ox that has been gored, now.

If you're to be consistent, you have to stand for rule of law.

[marble falls]

49. Hear, hear! Well stated!

[azurnoir]

40. well except if you actually read what's posted here

this is not the first time hes been jailed for parole violations

[Missycim]

42. oh please we all know why he is being jailed,

if this was some other common criminal, who hadn't commitied a violent offense I really doubt he'd be arrested.

[azurnoir]

43. you seem to think he's being persecuted

is that the case?

[Missycim]

44. And you don't?

you don't think there was any pressure at all to bring him in? If not we are done discussing this. Then can cloak this in any legality they want. How about for fun we drop him in the middle of egypt with a shirt saying he made the film? I am sure many here and in other places would love that.

[azurnoir]

45. OMG he's in jail for parole violation something he's been jailed for in the past

totally unrelated to the film

[Missycim]

46. Well for Fun

how about we drop him in egypt or Libya? Or we could let Egypt extradite him to face trial for whatever whacky charge they have him on?"

[azurnoir]

47. oh no I think he can stay right here

after all if he wasn't deported for meth cooking I doubt this would do it either

[marble falls]

50. Oh please, all the other times he was jailed for less was to pander to whom? The guy screwed up

and violated parole, he gets to go back to jail.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

2. What a model citizen . . . . . . . . . . of con artists of America

[99th_Monkey]

4. Are they going to deport him to Pakistan or Afganastan?

Just turn him loose on a random street somewhere.

Actually, that might just be cruel and inhumane.

Never-mind.

[Warpy]

5. If he knows who redubbed that film into a weapon

then I hope they squeeze him until he pops. That film wasn't a danger to anyone until the redubbing.

It screams "false flag" and I want to know whose flag.

[David__77]

10. Torture?

Physical or mental?

[Warpy]

12. Don't be silly

[Missycim]

34. Well then what did you mean by Squeezing him till he pops?

water boarding? thumb screws?

[MADem]

39. He likely hired the redubbers. Of course he knows who they are.

This is all down to religious anger, owing to the poor treatment of Copts under the new Islam-centric Egyptian regime that has replaced Mubarak.

[ck4829]

6. Conservatives are already howling "Political prisoner!"

[sakabatou]

7. Fox "News" surely will

[Jessy169]

15. The right-wingers are going crazy on Yahoo

The right-wing loved that video, and they are enjoying the angry Muslim reaction. It is what they wanted.

Here's a few Yahoo posts on the article:

Sounds like Obama administration is trying to apologize.

HE (the perp) SHOULD BE IMMORTALIZED!

In other words, forget freedom of speech, the Obama administration will find a way.

Good bye, freedom of speech. We used to love you, now Osama has outlawed you.

Atleast in the middle east you can speak your mind as long as you're a Muslim and not a woman. Here you get arrested.

Lets make a real movie peeing on the koran...take a picture of mohhmmad and punch a hole in his mouth with my tool in it. The muslims have no respect for themselves...they use their hand to wipe their butt. They have no respect for nobody. They do ugly things to the bible and Americans. Grow up muslim freaks. You can be made fun of too. It's a big world you lonneys. You and the jews can choke on your trimmings of the man tools you cut off. amen

And on and on...

[Gin]

8. This guy translated it

Would he be the dubber also?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/14/morris-sadek-the-maverick_n_1882931.html

[Tx4obama]

11. The OP article headline is: California man linked to anti-Islam film in custody for hearing

Please edit the OP subject line to the headline text that is on the article.

Tx4Obama
LBN Host

Thanks

[Hissyspit]

31. Reuters changed it.

I have updated.

[Snarkoleptic]

14. If his legal fees start stacking up, he may out the funders of his

fucknuckle of a film by providing an exclusive to a single news outlet.
I'm hoping...

[Ash_F]

41. Come on people why rally around this guy?

Multiple past convictions for meth dealing, bank fraud...even the actors in the film said he defrauded them.

[graham4anything]

51. a terrorist has NO freedom of speech

yelling fire in a theatre
making a joke about a weapon on a plane
inciting a riot

all 3 have NO right to freedom of a speech and all 3 are subject to arrest

give him the max

hand him over to israel and let her deal with it, being that he attempted to pass himself off as Jewish to incite a war between Israel and Iran.