Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:56 AM
jsr (3,497 posts)
Ambassador Susan Rice: Libya Attack Not Premeditated
Source: ABC News
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice said the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi was not premeditated, directly contradicting top Libyan officials who say the attack was planned in advance. “Our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous – not a premeditated – response to what had transpired in Cairo,” Rice told me this morning on “This Week.” “In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated,” Rice said, referring to protests in Egypt Tuesday over a film that depicts the Prophet Muhammad as a fraud. Protesters in Cairo breached the walls of the U.S. American Embassy, tearing apart an American flag. “We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to – or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo,” Rice said. “And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons… And it then evolved from there.” Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/ambassador-susan-rice-libya-attack-not-premeditated/
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| jsr | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| SayitAintSo | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| cr8tvlde | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| proverbialwisdom | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| BootinUp | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| heaven05 | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| cr8tvlde | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| heaven05 | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| aquart | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| dkf | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| davidpdx | Sep 2012 | #30 | |
| Maeve | Sep 2012 | #34 | |
| pscot | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| amandabeech | Sep 2012 | #35 | |
| pscot | Sep 2012 | #36 | |
| leveymg | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| chill_wind | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| leveymg | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| chill_wind | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| Festivito | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| aquart | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| suffragette | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| dkf | Sep 2012 | #28 | |
| Submariner | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| leveymg | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| cr8tvlde | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| leveymg | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| cr8tvlde | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| aquart | Sep 2012 | #25 | |
| emilyg | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| chill_wind | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| spinbaby | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| aquart | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| former9thward | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| davidpdx | Sep 2012 | #31 | |
| SkepticMetric | Sep 2012 | #32 | |
| glacierbay | Sep 2012 | #33 |
Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:00 AM
SayitAintSo (2,099 posts)
1. Saw that... not sure I buy it...
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Earlier reports and descriptions indicate otherwise. Wonder what this means?
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Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:09 AM
cr8tvlde (1,171 posts)
2. This is how mature political people ...with no axe to grind...deal with tragedy and disaster...
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especially in hot spots that could easily reignite into major, regional events. There is also evidence that it was planned in the US and exported from one of our very own Tealiban expat.
If either GWB or Mitt had been in charge, well, we already know what would be happening. |
Response to cr8tvlde (Reply #2)
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Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:15 AM
BootinUp (25,611 posts)
3. My guess is that the attack could not have happened
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without the riots, the riots created the opportunity.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #3)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:29 AM
heaven05 (2,372 posts)
4. yep
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and the riots may not have happened if an ignorant film had not been made insulting a major religion. Violent and ignorant American and Islamic extremist always have boots on the ground waiting for an opening. That's right wing nut and ME extremists if my meaning isn't clear.
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Response to heaven05 (Reply #4)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:01 PM
cr8tvlde (1,171 posts)
9. Which act was more insane..the one gleefully tossing gasoline on a international tinder box knowing
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full well what would happen and that people would get killed???? Premeditated. (Murder 1)
Or the unsuspecting intendeds reacting violently, for cause? (Involuntary manslaughter) One is Jewish Israeli and being "protected" by Los Angeles PD, the others Muslims, "vilified, damned and ridiculed". This, in and of itself, is telling. Quote: “Innocence of Islam” cost $5 million dollars and was funded by more than 100 Jewish donors. It was written and directed by Bacile, filmed in 2011, and is two hours long. The production employed 59 actors. http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/israeli-filmmaker-whose-innocence-of-islam-started-riots-in-benghazi-cairo-went-underground/2012/09/12/ And don't call me anti-semetic because Muslims are Semites or racist because both are Caucasians, as well. And imagine the outrage if Muslims in Hollywood or Teheran put out a 2 hour story vilifying Judaism...and the Torah provides some pretty rank material...or Christianity who still claims the violent Old Testament. There would be hell to pay, in any number of ways. Gitmo? Just noticed that YouTube will not take down the trailers, but are limiting "Muslims" access/viewing. |
Response to cr8tvlde (Reply #9)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:15 PM
heaven05 (2,372 posts)
13. hey
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Last edited Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:17 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) no problem with any thing you stated. Whole things stinks to high heaven. They knew what they were doing, in making this 'film' and distributing it on social media to be seen by millions. You Tube, Google and all the rest?
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Response to cr8tvlde (Reply #9)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:13 PM
aquart (67,535 posts)
21. So you haven't read anything since Sept. 12?
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Or, you just can't let go of any excuse to blame the Jews which would, indeed, make you anti-Semitic?
Try more recent information instead of the deliberate disinformation only suckers swallowed: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=8812521 |
Response to cr8tvlde (Reply #9)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:31 PM
dkf (32,616 posts)
27. "for cause"? You think reacting violently over a film is justified?
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How about if anti-abortionists go ballistic over some pro-choice film. Would that be "for cause"?
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Response to cr8tvlde (Reply #9)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:24 PM
davidpdx (8,782 posts)
30. I thought I'd read somewhere that the guy is NOT Jewish
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His entire identity was a scam as well. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Response to davidpdx (Reply #30)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:53 PM
Maeve (28,526 posts)
34. No, you are right
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Even the RWnut who helped with it admits the Israeli thing was fake.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/sam-bacile-anti-islam-filmmakers-bio-add/story?id=17222103#.UFn3clE0N8E http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0915/Nakoula-Basseley-Nakoula-AKA-Sam-Basile-questioned-in-anti-Islam-video-video |
Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:36 AM
pscot (13,916 posts)
5. The demonstration may have been spontaneous
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but the assault sounds like a well-planned operation that took advantage of the opportunity.
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Response to pscot (Reply #5)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:25 PM
amandabeech (8,298 posts)
35. I agree with you. The attack on the safe house appears very well planned.
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My money is on the whole thing being related more to the AQ No. 2 who died in a drone strike in June. The British ambassador was attacked then, and I believe that this consulate saw a demonstration and possibly a minor attack.
According to the Libyans, Benzhazi and another eastern town, Derna, have some indigenous radical militias that have been causing problems. I just don't buy Susan Rice's full explanation. There have been some mention of Rice taking over from H. Clinton at the end of the year, but this performance isn't what I'd expect of a Sec. of State candidate. I'm rooting for Kerry, myself. |
Response to amandabeech (Reply #35)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:55 PM
pscot (13,916 posts)
36. Gee. I thought lying convincingly
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to the public was part of the job description.
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Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:52 AM
leveymg (26,334 posts)
7. Interesting that Rice is put out front on this. Details of the attack don't appear to support
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Last edited Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:57 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) the "spontaneous riot that got out of control" scenario:
* RPG attacks from three sides on the consular building * Inside knowledge on plan to relocate to a safehouse a mile away, and knowledge of the location of the safehouse * Second attack - ambush using mortars on vehicles in a caravan as it approached the safehouse * Killing of two armed security officers who arrived by helicopter. Looks like a planned and coordinated military operation. Rice may be the point on this because State Dept. has clammed up, citing FBI investigation. There's no question that Ambassador and staff were warned of and aware of rising threat levels from increasingly hostile Jihadist groups in the area, if not the details of this specific attack. |
Response to leveymg (Reply #7)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:11 PM
chill_wind (13,475 posts)
12. Yes, especially since The State Dept
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issued a moratorium to U.S. Media on Friday afternoon to stop talking about it. Stop asking about it.
"I'm going to frustrate all of you, infinitely, by telling you that now that we have an open FBI investigation on the death of these four Americans, we are not going to be in a position to talk at all about what the U.S. government may or may not be learning about how any of this this happened -- not who they were, not how it happened, not what happened to Ambassador Stevens, not any of it -- until the Justice Department is ready to talk about the investigation that's its got," State Department spokeswoman Victorian Nuland told reporters late Friday afternoon. "So I'm going to send to the FBI for those kinds of questions and they're probably not going to talk to you about it," she said. State Department: Stop asking us about the Benghazi attack http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/14/state_department_stop_asking_us_about_the_benghazi_attack |
Response to chill_wind (Reply #12)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:21 PM
leveymg (26,334 posts)
15. They put a lid on it after the essential facts came out.
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Too late, Ms. Rice.
This whole regime change policy has become a major disaster. The machinery is already in gear for direct US involvement in another war after the election, and then the Main Event against Iran to follow shortly thereafter, and somehow I doubt even this will sober them up. |
Response to leveymg (Reply #15)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:37 PM
chill_wind (13,475 posts)
17. Yes.
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Here is the original backgrounder that was given.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/12/senior_officials_reveal_details_of_harrowing_battle_at_benghazi_consulate leveymg, have you seen this re:Sean Smith? http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/vilerat/?utm_source=Contextly&utm_medium=RelatedLinks&utm_campaign=Previous |
Response to chill_wind (Reply #12)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:42 PM
Festivito (12,283 posts)
29. VERY INTERESTING. Shut down real info and spread a crazy meme.
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If there is a connection between who paid protesters and who paid for the movie, the investigation would not return results for years maybe decades, let alone before election time.
Maybe it is best to squash it, and both side would agree at this point. But, NOT coordinated... that's crazy talk. |
Response to leveymg (Reply #7)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:14 PM
aquart (67,535 posts)
22. Yeah, I find that weird.
Response to leveymg (Reply #7)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:20 PM
suffragette (7,400 posts)
24. Even what she says later seems more consistent with what you note then with what she initially says
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“And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons..."
"hijacked, let us say"? Sounds like the "hijackers" were prepared to do what they did and that sounds like pre-planning was involved. |
Response to leveymg (Reply #7)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:37 PM
dkf (32,616 posts)
28. This is a problem. Are they refuting all you listed above?
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Last edited Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:39 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) If they are caught trying to play this as something not preventable when it was this is a big mistake.
It smacks of Condoleeza Rice's assertion that there is no way they could have known. I really hope they have their facts down. |
Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:56 AM
Submariner (7,359 posts)
8. Muslims rioting over a disgusting YouTube video about their god who supposedly supports life
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but not a peep from the same muslims about the 10s of thousands of their brother and sister muslims being KILLED in Syria.
To parrot Arsenio Hall; "Makes one think....Hmmmmmm." Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S. |
Response to Submariner (Reply #8)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:04 PM
leveymg (26,334 posts)
10. Libyan jihadists are among the Sunni militias doing the killing in Syria, with the coordination of
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Last edited Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:11 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) the USG. The US has not been actively pursing Jihadis inside Libya since the overthrow of Gadaffi, and Eastern Libya has become an al-Qaeda safe area from which foreign fighters are dispatched to the "holy war" against the Shi'ia in Syria. That's one of the most significant things about this event. It's blowback from the intersection of two US regime change operations. Please, see, http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021343355
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Response to leveymg (Reply #10)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:20 PM
cr8tvlde (1,171 posts)
14. The US can only think in dyads ... two parties ... for or against us
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We decide who is the bad guy, take him out, believing that we empowered the good guys. We've done it for decades, yeah centuries. Can't even speak the language, no clue about their culture, but we damn sure know who is right and who is wrong. And we magically get a military base to "protect our interests".
Put otherwise, we are clear about what we want and who can help us and how much we have to pay to get it. Regime change or civil war...pretty clear choice. We recently took down two "Dictators"...Mubarak and Quadafi ... and can't figure out why the little people don't love us and behave themselves and do what we want. That was after Saddam and the Taliban...that didn't end up too well. Now Tehran runs Iraq and the Taliban are in the wings for Afghanistan. And most Americans still don't get it. Trillions of dollars and a sh--load of death, anger and revenge...left in the ME sands. Ungrateful bastards. To quote Nixon or LBJ ... "He might be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." About sums it up. |
Response to cr8tvlde (Reply #14)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:29 PM
leveymg (26,334 posts)
16. That quote was FDR talking about Somoza, Sr. in Nicaragua. Another object lesson we didn't seem to
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to learn much from. Most of South America now hates our guts, and there's a near-war on the border with Mexico because of another failed policy.
All this is what happens when you put soldiers and policemen in charge of your foreign policy, and systemically exclude the Left from all policymaking positions. You get stuck in permanent wars against enemies we created, armed and trained to kill other enemies. A viscous circle. |
Response to Submariner (Reply #8)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 12:10 PM
cr8tvlde (1,171 posts)
11. Some folks think they should take care of their own business...
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and not go meddling for ill or for good in others. Especially those who are under seige themselves.
Red Herring. False Equivalency. What should they do, make a movie about Assad, accuse his wife of adultery or something, make fun of his kids and send it out over the internet? How do you spell R-E-D H-E-R-R-I-N-G. We got a few of those ourselves...Terry Jones comes to mind. Why aren't we out there shutting down his disgusting church? The American Tealiban? Pot, meet Kettle. |
Response to Submariner (Reply #8)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:23 PM
aquart (67,535 posts)
25. So you don't follow any Muslims on Twitter?
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Because I do and they haven't been particularly quiet in the English language tweets. My suspicion is that the Arabic and Farsi tweets have been even more vocal.
Although it's important to remember that Iranians can disappear if they tweet wrong. |
Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:31 PM
emilyg (22,742 posts)
18. I don't buy it.
Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:40 PM
chill_wind (13,475 posts)
19. Libya 'arrests 50' over Benghazi US consulate deaths
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Libya 'arrests 50' over Benghazi US consulate deaths
16 September 2012 Libyan authorities have arrested some 50 people in connection with last week's deadly attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, the president of Libya's interim assembly says. Mohamed Magarief told CBS News he had "no doubt" the attack was pre-planned. more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19617175 Ansar al-Sharia? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19575753 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19582810 |
Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 01:41 PM
spinbaby (11,005 posts)
20. Yeah, but look at what Megaryef says
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“It was planned, definitely, it was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago, and they were planning this criminal act since their arrival,” told CBS News.
He's a little closer to the situation, don't you think? |
Response to spinbaby (Reply #20)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:16 PM
aquart (67,535 posts)
23. "Foreigners"? From where?
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I thought he was arresting Libyans.
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Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:29 PM
former9thward (6,383 posts)
26. I'll take the word of the Libyan President.
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He says it was planned months in advance. http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/09/libyan-president-no-doubt-consulate-attack-preplanned-135664.html In addition the U.S. was warned 3 days in advance by a Libyan official and apparently ignored the warnings. http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/15/world/meast/libya-diplomats-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Response to jsr (Original post)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:28 PM
davidpdx (8,782 posts)
31. I'm not sure what the hell to believe anymore
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There seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about this. The only thing I can say for sure is that I hope the guy that made the video clip rots in hell.
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Response to jsr (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:56 AM
SkepticMetric (7 posts)
32. Right or Wrong in Her Conviction, Rice Spoke Before Her "Certain" Opinion Actually Could Be Verified!
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Most of us were aghast when Romney delivered his blast so fast about trouble exploding in the Middle East. Hey, I am aghast all over again, in fact, just about gassed out
I find it amazingly naive of Ms. Rice to vouch with total certitude that NO enemy force planned their murderous mayhem before the horrid videotape hit the internet. How could our government have reached their verdict that our consulate became a killing field simply because a cursing crowd got out of hand? This explanation does not pass any sort of communications research logic. No wonder the far right is butting into this momentously significant matter. It's not, to borrow the phrase, "Something stinks in Denmark', so to speak. Hell no, something stinks when our diplomats rashly rush to judgment! |
Response to SkepticMetric (Reply #32)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:41 AM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
33. I find it hilarious that she made that statement with a straight face.
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Last edited Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:43 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Does she honestly believe that the American people, hell, most of the world, believes that?
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