Sam Bacile And His Low-Budget Anti-Muslim Movie: Is It All A Hoax?
Source: International Business Times
Sam Bacile And His Low-Budget Anti-Muslim Movie: Is It All A Hoax?
By Christopher Zara: Subscribe to Christopher's RSS feed
September 12, 2012 2:29 PM EDT
Details -- however minimal -- have begun to surface about the amateur filmmaker whose movie ridiculing the Islamic prophet Muhammad sparked deadly protests in Egypt and Libya.
Four Americans have been killed in the demonstrations, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya. In Cairo, protesters climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy compound and tore down the American flag. "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger," they chanted.
All this over a few movie clips that look like they were produced by a group of high schoolers in a Video 101 class. Reminiscent of low-budget, unfunny comedy sketches, the clips -- supposedly from a movie called "Innocence of Muslims" -- depict Muhammad as a freewheeling, womanizing shyster who promoted child abuse. It sparked violent protests on Tuesday after clips of the film surfaced on YouTube, some of which were later dubbed in Arabic.
But so far only scant details are known about the movie's shadowy writer/director who calls himself Sam Bacile. The only interviews with him have been done by phone, and what little information he has revealed raises more than a few red flags.
So is there a Sam Bacile, and does "Innocence of Muslims" even exist?
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Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/383624/20120912/sam-bacile-innocence-muslims-steve-klein-islamic.htm
rachel1
(538 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)How ironic on the day of 9-11.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)it was an American Christian fundamentalist who decided to fuck with the Muslims and blame the Jews.
bigmonkey
(1,798 posts)What's your agenda with that? Where is that ever the proper order of things? Or are you just conflating "evidence" with "conclusive evidence"? There's some evidence that the film-maker's name is a pseudonym at least, so what's the problem with following that trail? Are you concerned where it might lead?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Are the short YouTube clips all that exist? Did "Bacile" defraud his investors? Might be time for a little investigative work...
goodhue
(8,676 posts)Their existence is also in doubt.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)But the story going around is he raised $5M from Jewish-Americans to make the movie. It's a good question to ask who they are, if they even exist. And reports are the movie is very amateurishly made ( I haven't watched it), and all anybody has seen are the short YouTube clips. If there were investors, did "Bacile" (of whom its now said isn't even from Israel) take the $5M, make a couple short clips, and pocket the rest of the money? And is he hiding because he fears muslim retaliation, or police investigation?
goodhue
(8,676 posts)Only the 13 minute youtube trailer uploaded in July by Morris Sadik, an Egyptian Coptic Christian based in California who runs a small virulently Islamophobic group called the National American Coptic Assembly.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The media does appear to be taking a closer look.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)it works to create mayhem and worse
libguard
(40 posts)looks bad? Just enough trappings to get the juices flowing.
They_Live
(3,232 posts)I'm smelling some Cheney & Rove.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)kooljerk666
(776 posts)Netenyahu did nor get his meeting & boom this happens............
Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)...but Netenyahu did get a meeting, albeit by phone, and no request to meet was denied (by the US government) or even made (by the Israeli government).
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)and please provide even the tiniest shred of evidence or even a reasoned argument.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Update: According to the Times of Israel, officials for that country confirmed that they have no record of Israeli citizenship for a Sam Bacile.
Someone got some 'splainin' to do!
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Kindly Refrain
(423 posts)and the second one seen is wearing "black face".
randome
(34,845 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)Hmmmmmm .....
Kindly Refrain
(423 posts)I'll throw some random speculation out there. There are quite a few amateur actors in this thing, it's hard to get people like that unless you already have a network. Like a fundamentalist Christian college that has a sound stage and editing facilities. Liberty University or Regent University.
nlof
(5 posts)Sam Bacile writes in arabic in his youtube comments and showsمحمد حامد الشربيني? (Mohamed Hamed El-Sherbini) as his friend on google+. Since he claims he has relatives in Egypt he's likely a disgruntled Egyptian.
goodhue
(8,676 posts)Morris Sadik, an Egyptian Coptic Christian based in California who runs a small virulently Islamophobic group called the National American Coptic Assembly blogged link to video in July.
And this is what the Atlantic reported Steve Klein said . . .
When I asked him to describe Bacile, he said: "I don't know that much about him. I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He's not Israeli, no. I can tell you this for sure, the State of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones (the radical Christian Quran-burning pastor) is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he's Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign."
I asked him who he thought Sam Bacile was. He said that there are about 15 people associated with the making of the film, "Nobody is anything but an active American citizen. They're from Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, they're some that are from Egypt. Some are Copts but the vast majority are Evangelical."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014227295
Roland99
(53,342 posts)rusty fender
(3,428 posts)mbperrin
(7,672 posts)Disgusting, hateful, and has now been the catalyst for deaths.
Sam Bacile is an Imbecile.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)-snip-
(Updated at 4:28 p.m. ET) A statement released on the behalf of the 80 cast and crew members of "Innocence of Muslims," a film that reportedly prompted Tuesday protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, indicates that they are not happy with the film and were misled by the producer.
"The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer. We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose," the statement says. "We are shocked by the drastic re-writes of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred."
As this post has previously noted, U.S. officials speaking on condition of anonymity say they believe the attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi was planned before the protests and was not prompted by the film, and that the attackers perhaps used the protest as a diversion. (See 2:48 p.m. update.)
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/12/u-s-ambassador-to-libya-3-others-killed-in-rocket-attack-witness-says/
winstars
(4,220 posts)How the fuck can 80 people who worked on a project be able put out this statement. More BS from somebody to CNN!!!
The only people who would know the cast and crew would be the producers in this case Sam Bacile and Co...
goodhue
(8,676 posts)Here is interview of one cast member . . .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014227732
rsweets
(307 posts)and their lives in danger. You think maybe some happy little
jihadist would not love to be the one to kill the actor that played
the prophet.
Whoever the ,dare I say, brains is behind this is a real class act.
I have no problem with religion until people get involved...
(i heard that somewhere i think)