Apple Unveils New iPhone 5

[Hissyspit]

Source: Reuters

iPhone 5 has a faster A6 processor. 2x improvement in performance and graphics.



Read more: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Apple_expected_to_unveil_new_iPhone

[Panasonic]

1. And I'm still planning to buy a Samsung Galaxy III phone

Not interested in Apple 5 products...

[dipsydoodle]

4. You and about twice as many as have bought iPhones.

I've got a pair of Galaxy S's, a new Note and a 10.1 tablet.

[onehandle]

2. C'mon Apple Store Update! Meanwhile: Massive sales of next-gen iPhone could boost U.S. GDP

A research note released by J.P. Morgan on Monday estimated that sales of Apple's next-generation iPhone may add between one quarter and one half a percentage point to fourth quarter annualized U.S. gross domestic product growth in 2012.

According to the firm's chief U.S. economist Michael Feroli, estimated domestic sales of the so-called iPhone 5 will be about 8 million units in quarter four, not including purchases of carry-over phones like the iPhone 4S.

Feroli goes through the calculations that arrived at the relatively large GDP contribution: by finding the difference between an assigned retail price of $600 per handset, similar to past launches, and an imported cost component of $200 per phone, a $400 per iPhone trade margin can be applied to the GDP.

"Thus, calculated using the so-called retail control method, sales of iPhone 5 could boost Q4 GDP by $3.2 billion, or $12.8 billion at an annual rate," Feroli writes. "This would boost annualized GDP growth in Q4 by 0.33%-point."

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/10/massive_sales_of_next_gen_iphone_could_boost_us_gdp

[defacto7]

8. That's actually old news and has pretty much been trashed

by other annalists. It's an ad mainly by JPMorgan for the benefit of the banking industry.

[qanda]

3. What took them so long?

I've had LTE on my phone for almost two years now.

[Missycim]

6. Don't you

know that 2 years behind is the new "future" in apple talk.

[Missycim]

5. Doesn't Samsung

own the patent to LTE? If so I hope the sue the shorts off Crapple

[sir pball]

7. They've already said they can and will..

From The Korea Times:

"Samsung confirmed that it will immediately sue Apple if the latter releases products using advanced long-term evolution (LTE) mobile technology...According to data from Thomson-Reuters, Nokia ranked top with 18.9 percent in terms of the number of LTE patents, followed by Qualcomm with 12.5 percent, Samsung Electronics with 12.2 percent and Ericsson with 11.6 percent."

I think it's ultimately a leveraging act to get Apple to drop their suits; a Cold-War style detente. Ultimately Samsung would HAVE tol license LTE to Apple since it's a standard-essential patent and must be given on FRAND (Fair, Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory) terms...but see Apple v. Motorola/Google for Apple's feelings on FRAND licenses.

[onehandle]

12. A patent swap will occur. Happens all the time with tech companies.

However, Apple holds the very existence of Samsung's sales in their hands. Samsung will be paying Apple for a long, long time.

Nice try.

[sir pball]

17. You got that backwards buddy...Apple pays Samsung. A lot.

Samsung is the sole supplier for the A-series processors for Apple, and likely the only company with the capacity* (AMD and Intel aren't going to fab ARM processors for a third party), as well as a principal supplier of other parts; IIRC something like 28% of the 4S. $12.8 billion in sales a year. I suppose that is holding Samsung's existence in a way, but they can't really leverage it in any meaningful way.

IF Apple were to have their entire case upheld (laughable, see Groklaw) and somehow get your magical $30 per Samsung phone (what "analysts" came up with that number, anyway? Even the maniacal fanboys at AppleInsider aren't throwing that number around) Sammy will just make it up in part price increases in the next contract with Apple. My bet is there will bejust an exchange - but somethingthe like Sammy will give Apple a 1% royalty license on LTE in exchange for Apple dropping claims against current and future TouchWiz releases. What trade do you see happening?

* - Apple contracted Sharp to supply the LCDs for the new iPhone, Sharp is now in serious trouble. Literally broke them.

[onehandle]

18. We'll see. But go ahead... Keep rooting for the foreign company. nt

[NickB79]

20. How much of Apple's products are manufactured in the US?

They're a US company in name only at this point.

That's not so much a knock on Apple as it is an acknowledgement of the economic globalization that's spread across the world.

[onehandle]

21. Apple has created tens of thousands of jobs in the U.S. in the last few years.

They are building a new Headquarters bigger than the Pentagon.

Samsung, not so much.

[Vehl]

24. Oh yeah? Samsung invested 13 Billion in just one Austin plant alone!

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/21/3257376/samsung-austin-texas-4-billion-investment

This move brings Samsung’s total investment in its Austin plant to $13 billion, reports a Dow Jones wire.

Keep drinking the Apple KoolAid

[NickB79]

42. Silicon chip manufacturing to boot.

Though this plant makes chips for Apple, so technically that means some of the most important Apple components ARE made in the USA. I did not know that, and I'm pleasantly surprised to find it out. Thanks!

[Vehl]

43. Yep

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This is not about Apple wanting to have these chips made in the US though, its a decision made purely by Samsung. Right now Samsung is probably the only major company in the mobile semiconductor arena which has the yields/low-fault tolerance that no other manufacturer can even come close to. They chose to have one of their plants in the US because thats where some of the highly skilled workers needed for these plants are found. If it were left to Apple they would have farmed this out to China's Foxcon...but Foxcon aint no Samsung and Apple has to rely on Samsung.

Also IRC that plant also makes a bunch of non apple SOC's and will be moving towards powering Samsung's own phones/tablets in the future as Samsung's Android phones recently became the world's largest selling phone brand.

This Austin factory is just but one of the many Samsung already has in the US and are also planning to invest 42 Billion on 2012 alone in expansion

Why Samsung is Betting $41 Billion in Turbulent Times

Even in technology — an industry known for bold moves — a one-year investment plan of $41 billion is breathtaking. Seldom meek, Samsung announced yesterday that it will be spending that sum this year “in order to solidify its dominance in key businesses in the global market and to dominate new growth areas in advance.” The funds, to be split 70/30 between capital investment and R&D, are a thumb in the eye of rivals that have struggled during the recession. According to Lee Sun-tae, an analyst at NH Investment & Securities, ”Samsung’s got strong cash flow to make bold bets in new technologies. No other IT company can beat it in terms of investment and that’s how Samsung finds new revenue sources ahead of rivals and widens its gap.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stephenwunker/2012/01/18/why-samsung-is-betting-41-billion-in-turbulent-times/

An interesting fact is that Samsung invests about 12 Billion every year on R&D alone while Apple invests about 3 Billion. From a technology/innovation standpoint (based on technologies developed by these companies) Samsung, Intel,IBM and Google are far ahead of Apple. Strangly enough a lot of Apple fans somehow have a really mistaken notion that Apple "invents/innovates' more than other companies.

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And needless to say, The vast majority of Samsung's patents are hard-science patents and not ornamental ones for rectangles and rounded edges like Apple's . Yet strangely Apple considers itself the most innovative company ever

[sir pball]

29. For ~15%the of their cash on hand..

Apple could build, in the US, an end-to-end manufacturing system for their electronics. I'm talking semiconductor foundries, display panel manufacturing, circuit board assembly, final production, the works. They could call the iPhone the only "truly American" phone and people would eat it up...shoot, at that point I would buy one.

[NickB79]

41. So cubicle jobs, no manufacturing then?

Like I said, what do they MAKE here in the US? Office jobs are important for a multinational company like Apple, but I like to see things actually built by US workers as well.

[sir pball]

28. Well that's really constructive

That doesn't make sense. You've been pretty consistent through the Apple lawsuits; technological innovation is expensive and time-consuming, so patenting is reasonable and it's wrong to steal others' work without licensing or paying. So do you feel that LTE isn't innovative enough to deserve patent protection? Or is it that dem furrin companies should just give up their IP cuz...America F Yeah? I'm not trying to be aggressive, I just see a contradiction in your arguments and want to clear it up.

I will say this. My first computer was an Apple //c. Then an SE, converted to an SE/30, followed by a PowerMac 6100 and Performa 6400, then a Mirror Drive Door G4 that lasted me eight years, finally a 15" 2011 MBP. My next system will be Apple. I was a self described "evangelist" back in the dark Sculley days, at the height of the clone times, when Apple stock was $8 a share and they were months from closing. I have supported Apple through a lot of bad times and worse business decisions (oh Copland), and continue to do so. Hell, I still get a sense of geek wonder when I watch OS X verbose boot. I just broke out of Steve's Reality Distortion Field awhile back

[dipsydoodle]

10. No that's two of the HTC patents

Taiwanese not Korean.

Note here :

LTE patents could be next round of Apple-Samsung war: brokerage.

"Samsung already has a large portfolio of LTE patents, while HTC may have the upper hand in a U.S. suit with Apple concerning two LTE-related patents," they said.

The Korea Intellectual Property Office said South Korea-based Samsung had 819 LTE patents as of August this year, nearly twice as many as owned by Apple.

The office said Apple has only developed 44 of the 318 LTE patents it holds, with the rest bought from Canadian phone-equipment maker Nortel Networks Inc. and U.S. chip maker Freescale Semiconductor Inc. last year.

Rockstar Bidco, an intellectual property-related consortium in which Apple holds a majority stake, holds another 116 LTE patents, giving Apple a total of 434 in all.

http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aALL&ID=201209120022

There's a note included there concerning the patents Apple bought from Nortel. I know for a fact that the amount they paid far exceeded what the administrators of Nortel had expected.

[defacto7]

9. (yawn)

Apple what?

[defacto7]

11. sounds like a fashion show..

is it a new dress or something?

[SoapBox]

13. zzzzzzzzzzz

I hate phones...any phones...cell or land...just plain old don't like to talk on the phone.

My cell is, well, just a phone...no text plan...no net plan...no camera...the carrier seemed insulted when that is all I wanted. I just need it for calling home(s) and making sure everyone is alive, while I'm out of town for a day or two.

[brooklynite]

14. I'll certainly sleep soundly, with my Apple stock's 150% value appreciation.

However you feel, you have to admit they make things people want to buy, even in a depressed economy.

[msongs]

15. Apple - bringing work home....to China nt

[dipsydoodle]

16. Apple iPhone 5 launch: Foxconn condemned over student labour

Ahead of the launch of the iPhone 5, Apple faces criticisms that their supplier Foxconn uses young interns who have "little choice" over whether to work there.

Apple supplier Foxconn faced a fresh wave of labour misuse allegations on the eve of the unveiling of the long-awaited iPhone 5 on Wednesday.

Chinese vocational schools are forcing students to work on the assembly line for the Taiwanese-based technology company, according to a recent article by the state-run newspaper China Daily.

Some of the students major in subjects unrelated to manufacturing, it said. One student told the official English newspaper that her school would not let her graduate if she refused the internship.

China Daily quoted anonymously an employee from a Foxconn plant's human resources company, who told the paper that the upcoming launch of iPhone 5 brought huge orders and rendered them short-staffed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/9538582/Apple-iPhone-5-launch-Foxconn-condemned-over-student-labour.html 2:17PM BST 12 Sep 2012

[alfredo]

19. It sounds like the schools are forcing their students into the internship. They need to be smacked

down too. Apple needs to strengthen its enforcement of its contract with Foxconn. They are battling against a culture of exploitation of the working class.

[onehandle]

22. Video --->

Awesome. Google's crap 'free' apps are evicted.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/#video

[Vehl]

27. Google Voice Search/Google Now demolishes Siri

Siri vs. Google Search

Watch and cry as Google demolishes the much vaunted Siri. Oh did I also mention that the Siri is as slow as a grandma and inaccurate as hell compared to Google Voice Search?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

23. Why must all these threads devolve into Luddites v. Techies, Apple/Andriod?

I've owned Androids and I've owned iPhones. I have an iPad, and I'm purchasing Nexus 7 tablets as gifts for Christmas. They're all wonderful devices. Lots can be said about the labor conditions under which ALL of these devices are made, but as far as pure functionality goes, Android and Apple leapfrogging one another means you and I get better toys to play with, no matter which version we choose. And for those who don't have/don't like smart phones, fair enough, but please do realize that millions of people do like and use smart phones.

Regarding the new iPhone 5 itself, I think it's a pretty worthy upgrade. As a photographer who owns lots of expensive equipment, I'm most impressed with the new phone's camera, which has a 5-element lens and an f/2.4 lens. Yes, it's also 8MP, but that doesn't matter nearly as much as the lens construction and the maximum aperture. It looks to me like Apple is releasing a solid product.

[Vehl]

26. Do you get your money's worth from this phone?

While I agree in general with the post of yours, I have to say that for the last generation or the iphone has trailed Android..even at the day its released.Considering the yearly release cycle..a phone that is behind the tech curve even on its release date is pretty shitty news for those looking forward to buy this iphone 5.


Right now Iphone5 has the title of being the only smartphone that is NOT HD.

It is also the only modern smartphone that is NOT NFC capable

No removable storage..no removable battery...


Apple was forced to go with this shitty 640×1,136 ( ) resolution because of the IOS deficiency of not being truly resolution independent. Furthermore apart from App's released by Apple every other App will have to run in an envelop due to lackluster OS...untill the app creators tailor it for the new resolution.

If you really need a good smartphone for taking amazing photos, I suggest the New Nokia pureview. It has a f2.0 lens, floating lens stabilization and much more.

But if you do insist on buying the iphone5; go ahead..but for me the new iphone5 sucks big time in the price/performance/feature ratio

[joshcryer]

35. Android's main lacking is in the app category.

The SDK has been evolving though and Jelly Bean will change that dramatically since things will be normalizing. Still though it's been a rough road for app developers on Android.

[joshcryer]

34. Fanboyism. It's fun though. I like the drama. :)

[Vehl]

45. Yes :D I missed out on the PC vs Mac wars of the 80s...so don't wanna miss out on the redux

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And the Android Army marches on

Android Becometh

In only 32 months Google has gone from zilch to the whole kit and kaboodle. That’s astounding.
..
..

At the end of the day this is a two-horse race:

Google vs. Apple.

In the 80s it was also a two horse race:

Microsoft vs. Apple.

http://www.starkinsider.com/2012/08/andoid-market-share-q2-2012-idc-chart.html

Who can resist the cute Green Robot

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or the even cuter Android 4.1 Jellybeans mascot

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[sir pball]

38. Well most all cell phones have a huge aperture like that

You should know that, it's an inescapable effect of the miniscule focal length - when your lens is 4.1mm from the sensor you don't need a very big hole to get a huge aperture. 5 elements? In a prime lens that tiny? C'mon man, if you really know gear, you'll know that's hype. I'd have been more impressed had they gotten the Zeiss Tessar lens from the Nokia. Looking at sample shots from a few phones, the 5 is better than the SIII but nowhere near the Pureview or the HTC OneX (best phone cam I've ever seen). It's not bad, not at all, but unless you're already invested in iPhototography you'd be better off with a different phone. Or dropping the money on some new "real" glass

[IDemo]

46. It's possible to be both a techie and Luddite

I've worked in R&D labs for major electronics companies and in repair/customer service for a government contractor over the past 20 years. We have no cable or satellite, an old CRT television, no smartphones or pads and our two vehicles are nearly 20 years old. The home-assembled PC I'm typing this on even has a floppy drive, though it's never used anymore.

[Vehl]

25. Iphone 5 is the ONLY new smartphone that is NOT HD. In other words..welcome to 2010 Apple!

The Iphone5 is the least 'revolutionary' phone in the market today.
It lags behind its Android and windows phone counterparts in every category!



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[onehandle]

31. You have no idea what you are talking about.

First clue: 'HD'

Ignore. Bye.

[Vehl]

32. I Dont? please..enlighten me.

Btw, if I were you, I would read up on what 720P and 1080 P.


Oh Also, read up on what Video Streaming services (Youtube, Netflix,Vimeo, etc etc) and the resolutions they stream/download Videos.

Yes, the HD resolution for those services is 720p(DVD Quality), and 1080p for Blue Ray Quality.
When someone accesses those services (any video streaming/download service) with Iphone5, the services will "downgrade" the video resolution to 480p. Thus even though the Iphone5 has a 640pixels wide screen, they will only be able to stream 480pixels width quality from those services (as the next tier..720p is NOT supported). The iphone5 might then artificially blow up(digital zoom) the video to kinda-fill the iphone5's 640 pixel width screen, but the result would be horrible compared to true 720p HD video. Digitally zoomed up video can never be accurate/clear as true native resolution video.

In simple words, Enjoy your 480p quality video. Say hi to 2009

Break free of the Reality Distortion Field.
Ah I see that I have been ignored. Typical Religious fanatic behavior when confronted with facts.


PS:

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[sir pball]

36. Is this a better interpretation?

The iPhone 5 hos the smallest screen and lowest absolute resolution of all smartphones currently on the market. The resolution is the same as the original Retina display, 326dpi, which now makes it more or less average; the competition ranges from around 300-350 dpi. Also a TFT LCD which is decreasing in popularity relative to the brighter, more saturated AMOLED technology; it is less power-hungry though.

That spec makes sense to me though, iPhone owners generally also own laptops, tablets, or other larger media-streaming devices so the phone is more a social-networking tool than a media portal (also makes sense why iOS 6 includes more social stuff); I know quite a few people whose only online device is their smartphone and they all have much larger-screened devices. Apple aficionados will pay no mind to screen size or resolution, but potential customers with different priorities and usage needs will definitely be aware of this.

[We are Devo]

30. I love my iPhone 4, not upgrading n/t

[Amaril]

33. I'm still using the 8GB iPhone 3G.......

....that I bought in 2007.

I did just check my "upgrade" status, and they aren't offering a deal on the iPhone 5 yet, but I had to chuckle when I saw that I can upgrade to an 8GB iPhone 4 for $.99.

[onehandle]

37. There's a massive difference between the 3G and the 4.

At midnight tonight, you'll be able to order a 4 for $0 if you wish.

Or a 4s for $99.

[sir pball]

39. I work with a few urban youth

Early 20s, born and raised in the Bronx, "bling" is everything and iPhones are the ultimate bling for these kids. When I started in July 2010 they all had brand-new 4s, then within a week of the 4S release they all bought them full-price at the Apple store. Yesterday, they were glued to their phones watching the presentation live...and they were completely underwhelmed. "So wait, the screen is only as big as yours? (I have a Droid X)...it's not HD?...I can't use my iHome anymore?" None of them are going to be buying them new; they will stay with the ecosystem but are going to wait for their contracts to renew this time around. My girlfriend's cousin is a huge[/] Applehead, comparable to some of the more..."devoted" fans here and on Apple forums, and he's now waiting for, get this, WINPHONE. Of course the 5 isn't going to be a failure, but I don't see it living up to expectations.

[slackmaster]

40. Tagged for riot pics

[sakabatou]

44. I don't care

I'll keep my LG Sprint Rumor Touch.