Romney, Ryan Refuse To Identify Tax Loopholes They’d Close
Source: TPM
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On NBCs Meet The Press, Romney dodged multiple questions about which deductions or credits hed target, saying only that hell get rid of some of the loopholes and deductions at the high end while seeking to lower the burden on middle income people.
Pressed for one specific example, Romney replied, Well, the specifics are these which is those principles I described are the heart of my policy.
On ABCs This Week, Ryan also fended off multiple questions about whether the Romney-Ryan tax plan should be taken seriously given its lack of details on which loopholes they would close.
Mitt Romney and I, based on our experience, think the best way to do this is to show the framework, show the outlines of these plans, and then to work with Congress to do this. Thats how you get things done, he said.
The Romney-Ryan plan would cut taxes beneath existing Bush-era levels, with benefits disproportionately for high earners, at a cost of roughly $5 trillion. They have vowed that the breaks would be revenue-neutral by way of closing tax credits and deductions but have persisted in their refusal to specify which ones, other than promising that the changes wouldnt target middle class Americans.
Read more: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/romney-ryan-tax-loopholes.php
arcane1
(38,613 posts)WTF does that mean??
reflection
(6,286 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)eom
valerief
(53,235 posts)He's the reincarnation of Dubya--without the frat boy warmth
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Or does one need to be a Republican to get it?
Well, the specifics are these which is those principles I described are the heart of my policy.
speedoo
(11,229 posts)He talked about "principles", but he has none, so no point in paying any attention to him.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)Anyone who votes for this ticket is stupidly deluded. The represent, to me, the creators of class warfare in this country. No one is saying, so far, it's class warfare. But, to me, it's just that with some race baiting, gender baiting, sexual orientation baiting thrown in to boot. Dangerous to the american way of life are these two clowns.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)"I respectfully disagree, he was never a 'man of substance', this is who he always was ... the illusion of being of substance." -- Paul Krugman on Ryan.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Well that's pretty simple, the rich get richer and the rest of the country supports the rich, pays higher taxes so the rich can get more tax cuts, health care only for those who can pay through the nose for it, seniors cost to much so they are on their own with no help from the Romney government, and just elect him and things will be so much better, for the rich that is!
A man with no principles says trust him because of his principles, now that's funny!
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)rmoney lying proficiency is such,that he is able to pull it off,even when saying nothing......
Very nice........
snooper2
(30,151 posts)banned from Kos
(4,017 posts)the average Joe doesn't know what a 1040 loophole is.
Romney has to kill the mortgage, charity, or health insurance employe deduction to make his plan work at all.
spedtr90
(719 posts)HOUSE of REPRESENTATIVES AUGUST 2, 2012
Home-Mortgage Deduction: Members defeated, 188-235, a Democratic motion stating that any Tax Code overhaul should retain deductions for home mortgages and charitable contributions. The underlying bill (HR 6169) did not identify tax breaks Republicans would like to see repealed. A yes vote backed the motion.
Ryan voted no.
Ayes: 188 (Democrat: 185; Republican: 3)
Nays: 235 (Democrat: 2; Republican: 233)
Abstained: 7 (Democrat: 4; Republican: 3)
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)my agenda is to try scare the shit out of independent voters by
lying and making stuff up on the run.
DWinNJ
(261 posts)If you stop to think about it, a general increase in taxes (letting top level Bush cuts expire) is something that is doable. When you say you say you are going to close loopholes you are promising to do something that isnt going to be effective, if you can do anything at all. Closing loopholes is like playing whack-a-mole. There are hundreds and each one is sacred to at least one legislator. Its the kind of promise (lie) that (R)money knows he could later claim I tried but
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)of which he is taking advantage. That may sell over at Fox News but doesn't fly in the real world.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)What principles is he talking about. Does he indeed have any principles. Besides, Romney has not shown a workable framework on taxes. Gregory needed to ask Ryan to spell out the framework in a manner that made sense. Frankly, the networks should refuse their time unless they agree to give specific answers to the questions asked. Indeed, just a couple of days earlier both Romneys complained about the questions being asked. I still don't see how Romney call pull this off in a debate format.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)have a clue.
Mitt Romney: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, JUST TELL ME SOMETHING, ANYTHING TO SAY TO GET ELECTED.
Botany
(70,501 posts)Well, the specifics are these which is those principles I described are the heart of my policy.
high density
(13,397 posts)"We will fix X. X will be fixed. The X? We're going to fix X. If you want X fixed, vote for us. Obama failed at X, we will not fail."
oldsarge54
(582 posts)Don't ask what will replace ACA.
Don't tell, who are your donors at you closed door events.
Don't ask what you promised to those donors.
Don't tell what job killing regulations are going to be dumped.
Don't ask about your plan on creating 12,000,000 jobs.
Don't tell why you won't release your taxes.
AND WHAT EVER YOU DO MITT, DON"T TELL WHO YOU THINK THE MIDDLE CLASS IS>
YOU would probably stick your foot in your mouth again.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)anything else that don't help out the 1%.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)That is the only "loophole" they are going to cut. It is the one that makes up for the stupendous tax cut give-away to the top bracket (35% down to 25%) by effectively raising taxes on the middle class. Fuckers.
Show us your damn tax returns rMoney.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)Mathematically impossible. It is, as your signature and Pres Clinton say, a matter of Arithmetic.
Nothing worked. No matter how the economists massaged the numbers, the middle class still would wind up getting socked with a tax increase. The richest of the rich are so rich that if they get the same 20 percent cut in their marginal rate that everyone else does, the 1 percent still comes out way ahead. You can't eliminate enough deductions and loopholes to make up for it.
That means you have to make deeper cuts in the "tax expenditures" (deductions) that broadly benefit the middle class-things like the home mortgage interest deduction and deductibility of employer-provided health insurance.
If you factor in other promises that Romney has made, such as not cutting defense spending or Social Security and Medicare benefits for today's senior citizens or about-to-be senior citizens, things get even worse.
http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_21257137
The paper:
In addition, we also assess whether these results hold if we assume that revenue reductions are partially offset by higher economic growth. Although reasonable models would show that these tax changes would have little effect on growth, we show that even with implausibly large growth effects, revenue neutrality would still require large reductions in tax expenditures and would likely result in a net tax increase for lower- and middle-income households and tax cuts for high-income households.
It would be possible to reduce the regressivity of such plans or even to maintain progressivity in such plans with reductions in the tax rate cuts for high-income taxpayers and/or significant reductions in the tax preferences for saving and investment, including the preferential rates on capital gains and dividends.
http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2012/08/01-tax-reform-brown-gale-looney
And we all know that the last paragraph is not what Romney proposes - he has specifically said he will keep the preferential rates for capital gains and dividends.
The response of the Romney campaign to this was to accuse the Tax Policy Center of bias - despite quoting it themselves: Romney Camp Cited Same Think Tank They Now Denounce As Liberal
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)all them loopholes for starters.
Viva_Daddy
(785 posts)But I won't take any bets that he'll close the loopholes that benefit the 1%.
chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)He must be talking about tax credits for the middle and working class.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)A new view of transparency and accountability.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)be closed. And now that the American people have seen how he's been mooching off everyone while at the same time deriding them, we must close them. For the good of all of us. I bet his country club friends are gonna be pissed if we can manage to get'r done.