Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:53 PM
jsr (3,497 posts)
Austin police infiltrated Occupy Austin
Source: Austin American-Statesman
Soon after Occupy Austin protesters began their months-long demonstration at City Hall last fall, Austin police officials assigned at least three undercover officers to infiltrate the group to gather intelligence on any plans that might break the law. The officers camped with other participants in the movement, marched in rallies and attended strategy meetings with Occupy Austin members. The officers also may have crossed a fine line in undercover police work: They helped plan and manufacture devices — often called "lock boxes" — that allowed Occupy members to tie themselves together during a protest in Houston, according to interviews and court records. The use of the devices, which makes it harder for police to break up human chains, resulted in Houston police filing felony charges against seven protestors who had attempted to block a port entrance in Houston on Dec. 12. The revelations reveal behind-the-scenes details of the lengths the police department went to in its efforts to monitor and control the Occupy Austin movement, which maintained a presence at City Hall for nearly five months. According to court documents, police brass up to and including Chief Art Acevado approved the infiltration operation. Read more: http://www.statesman.com/news/local/austin-police-infiltrated-occupy-austin-2447850.html
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38 replies, 4188 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| jsr | Aug 2012 | OP | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Aug 2012 | #1 | |
| randome | Aug 2012 | #2 | |
| hobbit709 | Aug 2012 | #5 | |
| reACTIONary | Aug 2012 | #11 | |
| hobbit709 | Sep 2012 | #36 | |
| tavalon | Aug 2012 | #10 | |
| randome | Aug 2012 | #15 | |
| tavalon | Sep 2012 | #38 | |
| reACTIONary | Aug 2012 | #12 | |
| marmar | Aug 2012 | #19 | |
| reACTIONary | Aug 2012 | #20 | |
| tavalon | Aug 2012 | #9 | |
| reACTIONary | Aug 2012 | #13 | |
| randome | Aug 2012 | #14 | |
| cstanleytech | Aug 2012 | #21 | |
| randome | Aug 2012 | #23 | |
| cstanleytech | Sep 2012 | #34 | |
| defacto7 | Aug 2012 | #25 | |
| awoke_in_2003 | Aug 2012 | #17 | |
| greytdemocrat | Aug 2012 | #31 | |
| jtuck004 | Aug 2012 | #3 | |
| Fumesucker | Aug 2012 | #7 | |
| Octafish | Aug 2012 | #27 | |
| randome | Aug 2012 | #33 | |
| Octafish | Sep 2012 | #37 | |
| lib2DaBone | Aug 2012 | #4 | |
| valerief | Aug 2012 | #8 | |
| HooptieWagon | Aug 2012 | #16 | |
| limpyhobbler | Aug 2012 | #6 | |
| marmar | Aug 2012 | #18 | |
| fascisthunter | Aug 2012 | #29 | |
| Trillo | Aug 2012 | #22 | |
| randome | Aug 2012 | #24 | |
| Trillo | Aug 2012 | #32 | |
| obliviously | Aug 2012 | #26 | |
| fascisthunter | Aug 2012 | #28 | |
| oldsarge54 | Aug 2012 | #30 | |
| arely staircase | Sep 2012 | #35 |
Response to jsr (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:58 PM
nadinbrzezinski (120,311 posts)
1. Ok now how surprised and shocked should I pretend to be?
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:01 PM
randome (12,680 posts)
2. Not sure what the revelation is for you.
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Last edited Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:03 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) If a large group of people from outside my city took up long-term residence at city hall, I would want the police to have an idea of what was going on.
That is not the same as the accusations of a national crackdown on OWS. It's the police doing their jobs. Sounds like they actually helped the protesters manufacture their lock boxes so they may have done them a favor. Now the charges can probably get tossed out. |
Response to randome (Reply #2)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:01 PM
hobbit709 (26,064 posts)
5. Q: You know how to play Russian Roulette?
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A: You have six people in a room telling anti-state jokes and you don't know who the informer is.
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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #5)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:03 PM
reACTIONary (999 posts)
11. A: First, Move to Russia
Response to reACTIONary (Reply #11)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 06:35 AM
hobbit709 (26,064 posts)
36. Was an old Soviet bloc joke about the secret police.
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also applies here.
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Response to randome (Reply #2)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:55 PM
tavalon (25,684 posts)
10. You must be absolutely ecstatic that your country is continuing to listen in to
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your cell phone calls and monitoring your email. But then, you aren't a terrorist, so why SHOULD you be bothered.
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Response to tavalon (Reply #10)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:13 PM
randome (12,680 posts)
15. Ecstatic? No. I don't want anyone listening in to my conversations.
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And the vast majority of Occupiers are not terrorists. We both know that. Do you think police should NEVER conduct undercover operations?
Or do you mean they should only conduct undercover operations for organizations you disapprove of? |
Response to randome (Reply #15)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 09:28 PM
tavalon (25,684 posts)
38. I think their ability to do undercover operations should be severely curtailed
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and only allowed after a non-interested third party or a group of judges has deemed it important and necessary. But then I also think regular cops shouldn't be able to mace or use other forms of crowd "control" unless, well, see above.
Cops have way too much power right now. Way too much. And the government has not rolled back any of that power as they should have. When cops look like shock troops, something has gone seriously awry. |
Response to randome (Reply #2)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:08 PM
reACTIONary (999 posts)
12. I agree. As long as the meetings were public...
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... and they were just listening to head off illegal activities, they were just doing their jobs. I've been to occupy events in TX, and they were doing everything out in the open. If there were cops hanging around, they might have benefited from being there.
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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #12)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:50 PM
marmar (60,843 posts)
19. "and they were just listening to head off illegal activities"
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Uh huh, and I've got this bridge between Manhattan and Brooklyn to sell you for cheap. |
Response to marmar (Reply #19)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:13 PM
reACTIONary (999 posts)
20. So, what were they listening for? Any evidence this was used...
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...for any purpose other than maintaining a reasonable level of public safety? Was anyone disapeared? Did any reasonable, legal protest get shut down?
In my (limited) experience with Occupy in San Antonio the uniformed police were a constant presence. The protesters were assertive, but cooperative. The police were assertive, but permissive within the bounds of reasonable public order. Maybe the police had undercover informants among the protesters, maybe they didn't, but it didn't seem to make any difference. The protester's rights were respected and the protesters behaved in a civil and reasonable manner. |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:52 PM
tavalon (25,684 posts)
9. You and I aren't
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but the poster under you thinks it's fine and dandy. That shocks me. They violated so many amendments by doing that, it makes my head spin and I live in the era when it's okay, not just okay, but okayfine to listen in to my phone calls without a warrant.
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Response to tavalon (Reply #9)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:11 PM
reACTIONary (999 posts)
13. Listening in on your phone calls...
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... is different from attending a public meeting where public activities are being planned. Maybe the cops did something wrong, but it isn't evident from the excerpt posted above.
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Response to tavalon (Reply #9)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:11 PM
randome (12,680 posts)
14. What amendments were violated?
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Or did you mean laws? If so, what laws?
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Response to randome (Reply #14)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:26 PM
cstanleytech (5,302 posts)
21. I am going to asume they largely mean the
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part where the article goes on to say
"The officers also may have crossed a fine line in undercover police work: They helped plan and manufacture devices — often called "lock boxes" — that allowed Occupy members to tie themselves together during a protest in Houston, according to interviews and court records. The use of the devices, which makes it harder for police to break up human chains, resulted in Houston police filing felony charges against seven protestors who had attempted to block a port entrance in Houston on Dec. 12." Though I am not so sure how successful that will work out because wouldnt they have to prove that the officers enticed them to build the devices in the first place rather than just assisted them to build something they were already planning on and or were building already? |
Response to cstanleytech (Reply #21)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:34 PM
randome (12,680 posts)
23. I would think the opposite would be true.
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Houston will need to prove the devices were NOT encouraged and/or built by undercover officers.
I think there would be enough doubt to throw the charges out. If the author of the article thinks there's room for doubt, why wouldn't a judge or a jury? Regardless, I'm not certain what felony charges are involved. Is it illegal to block the port? Illegal to manufacture lock boxes? Not sure. |
Response to randome (Reply #23)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 04:31 AM
cstanleytech (5,302 posts)
34. "I'm not certain what felony charges are involved."
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"Garza's attorney, Greg Gladden, said the case against his client should be dismissed because Dowell and other undercover police played a central role in the charges filed against Garza. While 10 protesters who didn't use the lock boxes were charged with lower-level misdemeanors, Harris County prosecutors charge Garza and six others with a felonies, using an obscure statute that prohibits using a device that is manufactured or adapted for the purpose of participating in a crime. They face up to two years in jail."
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Response to tavalon (Reply #9)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:05 PM
defacto7 (3,280 posts)
25. What do we call them now.... hmmmm
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The STASI? |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:24 PM
awoke_in_2003 (18,500 posts)
17. No doubt...
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Wow, you are now over 100k posts.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:31 PM
greytdemocrat (1,616 posts)
31. Nadin, come on...
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A 12 year old could "infiltrate" these clowns.
In fact, they probably are all 12 year olds. Well, except the cops... |
Response to jsr (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:21 PM
jtuck004 (5,089 posts)
3. J. Edgar Hoover would be proud. And I suspect many see it as SO reasonable...
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I mean, what could happen? |
Response to jtuck004 (Reply #3)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:21 PM
Fumesucker (31,590 posts)
7. See post #2 in this thread..
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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #7)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:26 PM
Octafish (33,438 posts)
27. What a coincidence.
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That poster agrees with another poster who accused me of supporting anti-Semitism.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=830831 Amazing. Not really. |
Response to Octafish (Reply #27)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:53 PM
randome (12,680 posts)
33. Not quite.
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My post relates to a poster who said he had unspecified 'problems' with you in the past. Not taking sides for either of you and I have no idea of your history with the other poster nor what you previously argued about.
It was an obvious -and sometimes entertaining- sub-thread on that thread. |
Response to randome (Reply #33)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 10:50 AM
Octafish (33,438 posts)
37. Got ya.
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Ask your bud about his bibliography.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=311425&mesg_id=311546 |
Response to jsr (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:27 PM
lib2DaBone (8,124 posts)
4. A large number of "Protesters" at the RNC in Tampa were Police.....
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Last edited Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:29 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Local radio station Host this morning in Tampa.... talking about how she went to downtown to see what was going on with the RNC Protestoers , and she saw 4 or 5 old friends from Tampa Police .....dressed as "Protesters".
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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #4)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:46 PM
valerief (35,679 posts)
8. All the world's a stage, it seems. nt
Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #4)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:21 PM
HooptieWagon (6,329 posts)
16. Which radio station? Any link?
Response to jsr (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:06 PM
limpyhobbler (6,652 posts)
6. Sounds like entrapment. This stuff was going on all across the country.
Response to jsr (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:36 PM
marmar (60,843 posts)
18. Ah, the spirit of Cointelpro lives......
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Last edited Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:37 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) And I can see it has a few enthusiastic DU boosters. |
Response to marmar (Reply #18)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:27 PM
fascisthunter (28,608 posts)
29. they are fascist trolls
Response to jsr (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:31 PM
Trillo (7,230 posts)
22. "Political Surveillance." In a "police" state.
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Note the similarity of two words:
police political There are lots of news stories about the generalized topic. |
Response to Trillo (Reply #22)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:37 PM
randome (12,680 posts)
24. Yeah, well, 'please' sounds similar, too.
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'Homophones' -my new word of the day.
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Response to randome (Reply #24)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:47 PM
Trillo (7,230 posts)
32. We don't get many stories on DU of polite police,
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though every once in awhile we get a hero archetype.
politic police polite |
Response to jsr (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:21 PM
obliviously (1,489 posts)
26. Some where a basement cries-
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Occupy me, and a bag of Cheetos cries eat me, answer that call so the adults can reelect our president.
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Response to obliviously (Reply #26)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:26 PM
fascisthunter (28,608 posts)
28. somewhere a loser authoritarian is shitting his diaper
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Last edited Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:28 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) "adults"-coockoo bird
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Response to jsr (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:31 PM
oldsarge54 (582 posts)
30. Meanwhile
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City officials are making donations to the tea party. which group, in the long run, has done more damage? What is the cost so far for our lowered national credit rating?
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Response to jsr (Original post)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 04:39 AM
arely staircase (4,149 posts)
35. the apd is a proud organization with a long history
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of embarrasing themselves.
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