Wed Jul 25, 2012, 04:30 PM
Judge: Muslim suspect in deadly US fort rampage could be forcibly shaved before trial
Source: MontrealGazette.com
FORT HOOD, Texas - A U.S. Army psychiatrist and Muslim charged with killing 13 people in a shooting rampage at a Texas military base will be forcibly shaved if he doesn't remove his beard himself, a judge said Wednesday. Maj. Nidal Hasan's beard violates Army regulations, but he said it is an expression of his faith. The judge, Col. Gregory Gross, held Hasan in contempt of court for keeping the beard and fined him $1,000. Fort Hood spokesman Chris Haug said Gross gave Hasan the choice to shave or be forcibly shaved before his court-martial begins Aug. 20. Hasan, 41, is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder in the November 2009 shootings at Fort Hood. He faces the death penalty if convicted. Until last month, he had been clean-shaven every time he attended court. Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/fashion-beauty/Judge+Suspect+fort+rampage+must+shave+beard+before+trial+forcibly/6988309/story.html He is still getting paid by the Army and is receiving medical care so Lose The Beard Hasan! Your religious beliefs mean nothing to me now. 
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 Judge: Muslim suspect in deadly US fort rampage could be forcibly shaved before trial (Original post) |
TouchOfGray | Jul 2012 | OP |
| Missycim | Jul 2012 | #1 | |
| leveymg | Jul 2012 | #2 | |
| elleng | Jul 2012 | #3 | |
| jberryhill | Jul 2012 | #4 | |
| Doremus | Jul 2012 | #21 | |
| treestar | Jul 2012 | #85 | |
| cstanleytech | Jul 2012 | #5 | |
| leveymg | Jul 2012 | #8 | |
| samsingh | Jul 2012 | #17 | |
| TouchOfGray | Jul 2012 | #24 | |
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| Codeine | Jul 2012 | #39 | |
| MADem | Jul 2012 | #53 | |
| happyslug | Jul 2012 | #76 | |
| TouchOfGray | Jul 2012 | #6 | |
| leveymg | Jul 2012 | #10 | |
| jberryhill | Jul 2012 | #29 | |
| LiberalLoner | Jul 2012 | #37 | |
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| 4th law of robotics | Jul 2012 | #54 | |
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Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 04:43 PM
leveymg (26,296 posts)
2. This forcible shaving is not only petty, but makes the prosecution look religiously motivated
Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:10 PM
Doremus (5,135 posts)
21. Good point. nt
Response to cstanleytech (Reply #5)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:00 PM
leveymg (26,296 posts)
8. The US Army issued a waiver to a Sikh Officer a few years ago. They can, if they want to.
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Last edited Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:04 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) 
First Sikh in decades graduates at US Army officer school http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?176424-First-Sikh-in-decades-graduates-at-US-Army-officer-school SAN ANTONIO: Amid lines of soldiers, one after the other in standard-issue fatigues and combat boots, was one in a turban and full beard on Monday -- the first Sikh in a generation allowed to complete US Army officer basic training without sacrificing the articles of his faith.
Capt. Tejdeep Singh Rattan, a 31-year-old dentist, graduated on Monday at Fort Sam Houston after the Army made an exemption to a uniform policy that has effectively prevented Sikhs from enlisting since 1984. ``I'm feeling very humbled. I'm a soldier,'' he said, grinning after the ceremony as other members of the Sikh community milled about nearby. ``This has been my dream.'' Rattan had to get a waiver from the Army to be allowed to serve without sacrificing the unshorn hair mandated by his faith. An immigrant from India who arrived in New York as a teenager, Rattan said it was important for him to serve a country that has given him so many opportunities. The Army in 1984 eliminated an exemption that had previously allowed Sikhs to maintain their articles of faith while serving, but officials can issue individual waivers to the uniform policy after considering the effects on safety and discipline, said Army spokesman George Wright. Only a handful of such individual religious exemptions are ever granted. |
Response to leveymg (Reply #8)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:07 PM
samsingh (10,337 posts)
17. the Sikh did not commit mass murder
Response to leveymg (Reply #8)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:52 PM
32. So? I said they probably could I didn't they "couldn't".
Response to leveymg (Reply #8)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 08:07 PM
39. There's a difference between a guy who requests a waiver in order to serve
Response to leveymg (Reply #8)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:21 AM
53. Sikhs are not allowed to cut their hair ever--as an expression of faith.
Response to leveymg (Reply #8)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:37 PM
happyslug (10,746 posts)
76. Please note, the ARMY has special rules as to Sikhs
Response to TouchOfGray (Reply #6)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:03 PM
leveymg (26,296 posts)
10. No matter. We should avoid the appearance of religious persecution or bias.
Response to jberryhill (Reply #29)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 08:04 PM
LiberalLoner (5,333 posts)
37. This. He is still a soldier at this point.
Response to leveymg (Reply #10)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:24 PM
31. His religion is not on trial
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Response to leveymg (Reply #10)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:57 PM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
46. He is a soldier, not a civilian
Response to TouchOfGray (Reply #6)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:48 PM
65. I don't think tolerance of the one implicitly expresses tolerance for the other...
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I don't think tolerance of the one (beard) implicitly expresses tolerance for the other (murderous rampage).
What precisely lead you to believe that...?  |
Response to leveymg (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:00 PM
Robb (38,309 posts)
7. He's a devout asshole.
Response to leveymg (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:40 PM
Control-Z (8,242 posts)
15. Was he a devout Muslim with a beard before he went on his rampage? n/t
Response to leveymg (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:07 PM
samsingh (10,337 posts)
18. i'm with the military on this one
Response to leveymg (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:08 PM
samsingh (10,337 posts)
20. i hope the death penalty applies in this case
Response to leveymg (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:14 PM
kestrel91316 (45,359 posts)
23. I disagree. He is still in the military so he can damned well follow the rules.
Response to leveymg (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:54 PM
gopiscrap (2,356 posts)
28. My thought exactly sounds like revenge and power to me
Response to leveymg (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:54 PM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
45. It is against military regulations
Response to leveymg (Reply #2)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:18 AM
52. He has a US Army commission, and he's being paid commensurate with his rank.
Response to leveymg (Reply #2)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:13 PM
69. The personal grooming and men's fragrance lobby are in the wings of this mental health provider's
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future.
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Response to leveymg (Reply #2)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 07:02 PM
83. disagree .. he is being required to adhere
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:14 PM
Stargazer09 (1,072 posts)
11. This jerk had no problem shaving...
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...during his military career. He's only doing this to delay his trial AGAIN. He's too cowardly to face the court and accept punishment for his crimes.
A good friend of mine lost her brother that day.  |
Response to Stargazer09 (Reply #11)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:59 AM
50. I'm so sorry for you and your friend's loss
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:15 PM
12. He lost all his freedoms the day he pulled the trigger.
Response to Terrillary (Reply #12)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:56 PM
33. No, he didnt lose them then and he doesnt until hes convicted.
Response to cstanleytech (Reply #33)
Sun Jul 29, 2012, 06:54 PM
86. Sure he did. He's not walking around free. He's being told what to do and when to do it.
Response to Terrillary (Reply #12)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 08:15 PM
leveymg (26,296 posts)
41. This isn't about his freedoms. It's about perceptions (right or wrong) that this is about religion.
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #56)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:06 AM
leveymg (26,296 posts)
59. We would grant an exception for our own reasons, not his.
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #60)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:59 AM
leveymg (26,296 posts)
61. The political Islam aspect of the crime is why we need to avoid appearance of discrimination,
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #62)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:26 PM
leveymg (26,296 posts)
64. Appearance of mistreatment or unjust treatment is the thing to be avoided.
Response to leveymg (Reply #64)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:03 PM
67. Letting him keep the beard will prejudice his jury. Its not standard military grooming
Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #67)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:36 PM
leveymg (26,296 posts)
70. I really doubt that's adequate grounds to overturn a conviction. Really, really doubt it.
Response to leveymg (Reply #70)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 03:46 PM
72. A beard is not a religious requirement in Islam just like the burqa
Response to leveymg (Reply #41)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:14 AM
63. If we let him keep the beard then it WOULD be about religion
Response to Terrillary (Reply #12)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:18 PM
uppityperson (74,020 posts)
44. I disagree with that. However, as he is military, that is a big loss of being able to do what you
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:25 PM
13. Several things come to mind...
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:06 PM
samsingh (10,337 posts)
16. not shooting innocent people is something i believe in
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:24 PM
msongs (30,471 posts)
25. hire Mitt Romney to attack the guy with scissors, and throw him to the ground for shave nt
Response to gregoire (Reply #27)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 08:02 PM
msanthrope (16,426 posts)
35. The judge is a religious bigot? No--the judge is enforcing the same rules every other
Response to gregoire (Reply #27)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:01 PM
NYC Liberal (15,599 posts)
66. Making everyone abide by the same rules is bigotry?
Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #66)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:08 PM
68. A common slam by those who believe curbing any religious or cultural expression
Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #68)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 03:55 PM
NYC Liberal (15,599 posts)
73. Yes, we can call out all the bigotry & batshit ideas
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:58 PM
alphafemale (13,240 posts)
34. A religious freak who slaughtered innocent people claiming to be a victim
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 08:09 PM
40. I thought he was quadriplegic (???)
Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #40)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:57 AM
msanthrope (16,426 posts)
58. Paraplegic. nt
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 08:43 PM
rollin74 (691 posts)
43. I agree with the judge
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:42 AM
48. This is petty,mean spirited bigotry
Response to mwrguy (Reply #48)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:08 AM
gopiscrap (2,356 posts)
49. I agree with you and it should not happen....
Response to mwrguy (Reply #48)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:24 PM
84. He knew the rules when he signed up and allowed
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 03:32 PM
arely staircase (4,121 posts)
71. probably the greatest injustice in the world today
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Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 04:49 AM
JCMach1 (21,219 posts)
79. sorry but he is military
Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:54 AM
JustABozoOnThisBus (9,912 posts)
80. Headline is designed for shock value
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"Muslim suspect in deadly US fort rampage could be forcibly shaved"
could have been worded "U.S. Army Major suspect in deadly US fort rampage could be forcibly shaved" Most soldiers are expected to shave. Failure can result in many pushups, followed by shaving. I doubt if the major had a beard through his Army career.  |
Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #80)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:01 AM
81. not much difference between him and the colorado joker
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but... only their hair dressers know for sure 
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Response to TouchOfGray (Original post)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 05:48 PM
ileus (9,195 posts)
82. His faith comes behind his duty. His body is Uncle Sams...
