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Rollo

(2,559 posts)
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:51 PM Apr 2017

Twitter sues U.S. over demand for records on anti-Trump account

Source: Reuters

Twitter Inc said in a lawsuit on Thursday that it had received a demand from U.S. officials for records that could reveal the user behind an account opposed to President Donald Trump and that it was challenging the demand in court.

The lawsuit over the anonymous account was filed in federal court in San Francisco, where Twitter is based.

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/twitter-lawsuit-idUKL2N1HE1JY

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Twitter sues U.S. over demand for records on anti-Trump account (Original Post) Rollo Apr 2017 OP
Great! get the red out Apr 2017 #1
of course but we have to #resist wordpix Apr 2017 #17
What's wrong with Twitter? bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #2
What part of US.gov is demanding the records & on what basis? Or is it just a tRumped-up vendetta? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #3
25 pg complaint but skimming thru, "unmask" was used in this way: wordpix Apr 2017 #20
here's the link to the complaint -lots of good stuff wordpix Apr 2017 #22
The attorneys for Twitter and Kushner are from the same law firm. Ha! Glimmer of Hope Apr 2017 #28
Thanks. In summary, tRump gvmt embarrassed by tweets, applies in ham-fisted way to stop free speech Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #30
Live by the tweet, die by the tweet... Rollo Apr 2017 #32
So I guess these "U.S. officials" would also like twitter user info on Malcolm Nance, Jester Leghorn21 Apr 2017 #4
yes it will get to that and worse if we don't stop this criminal cabal wordpix Apr 2017 #23
I know we're all bracing ourselves - UNNH - (for what good it may do!) - some days I can indeed Leghorn21 Apr 2017 #29
Trade the info safeinOhio Apr 2017 #5
No way. Not unless the person behind the moniker agrees with no duress. Not anyone else's choice. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #31
better info here: OKNancy Apr 2017 #6
They're on the #AltGovt Megathread. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2017 #10
Chilling. mountain grammy Apr 2017 #12
yet one can get a chuckle from item #45 wordpix Apr 2017 #24
Thanks. Also looks like an interesting web site that I have not seen before. riversedge Apr 2017 #38
Nunes: Need work? Investigate this! (Looks like the Russian NCjack Apr 2017 #7
KGOP wants to PURGE everyone who will not Assume the Position Achilleaze Apr 2017 #8
10-4, Ach - I'm having apocalyptic visions of a mass "round up" here, with ban/kush cat fights Leghorn21 Apr 2017 #9
I fear you are right. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #11
Scary, since he has my husbands' twitter address. lark Apr 2017 #18
Aw, maaan - lark, I'm glad your husband "tweets shit" at dft - my favorite thing is to read Leghorn21 Apr 2017 #27
Fucking fascist Trump administration. This subpoena is SO unconstitutional. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #13
...and the number of followers of @ALT_uscis has gone op by over 2000 in the last half hour. cyberswede Apr 2017 #14
Oh look! This is apparently on CNN now, via ALT_uscis tweet: Leghorn21 Apr 2017 #15
I hope it's mine! tazkcmo Apr 2017 #16
Shut down trump's account jpak Apr 2017 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #21
Now DonnieRhea take a good look, this is McCarthyism. DK504 Apr 2017 #25
lots of masked twitter users working to get truth & Trump out wordpix Apr 2017 #26
I don't tweet, but I've been known to... Rollo Apr 2017 #33
Twitter refuses U.S. order to reveal user behind anti-Trump account ColemanMaskell Apr 2017 #34
The ACLU is involved-representing the account holder. GOOD!!.. riversedge Apr 2017 #35
KO: Support the account President Asshole @realDonaldTrump is trying to suppress. Follow @ALT_uscis riversedge Apr 2017 #36
@ALT_USCIS has pinned the FIRST Amendment to the top of their account.... riversedge Apr 2017 #37
Confirmed. Not just hearsay. Trump is now going after individual Twitter accounts that are meanies t riversedge Apr 2017 #39

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
1. Great!
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:55 PM
Apr 2017

So will the proponents of small government now throw resources at getting the identities of anyone on twitter who doesn't like Trump?

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
2. What's wrong with Twitter?
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 03:56 PM
Apr 2017

Doesn't it know only Republicans can remain anonymous, spend hundreds of millions
on campaign ads anonymously, change the rules midstream, and answer to no judge
who rules against them?

What's wrong with Twitter?

Idiots. Get on the program. Call Mitch, he'll help you out.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
20. 25 pg complaint but skimming thru, "unmask" was used in this way:
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:57 PM
Apr 2017

ppl in gov or formerly in gov want and NEED to communicate about controversial issues of importance, and they have the right to free speech. In this case, they NEED to hide identities and Twitter refuses to unmask them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
30. Thanks. In summary, tRump gvmt embarrassed by tweets, applies in ham-fisted way to stop free speech
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:07 PM
Apr 2017

It is the Department of Homeland Security.

A probable US government employee using an Alt_USCIS account moniker is embarrassing the tRumpanzees and they desperately want to shut her/him down. That would be a violation of free speech.

They are such amateurs, even the "special agent", that they demanded the identity be revealed by a deadline the day before they faxed the demand.

As amateurs, they claimed a section of law about commercial goods applied even though no commercial or non-commercial goods were involved.

They said that the person behind the moniker had a right to respond to the demand but then they claimed that Twitter was forbidden from contacting and informing the person.

Executive summary: The government officials are behaving like fascists in an attempt to shut down free speech they don't like.

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
4. So I guess these "U.S. officials" would also like twitter user info on Malcolm Nance, Jester
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:00 PM
Apr 2017

Actual, Scott Dworkin, Louise Mensch, Tea Pain, Adam Khan and John Schindler accounts?

And Reps. Ted Lieu and Maxine Waters and Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell as well?

Well, good luck with all that, "U.S. officials"

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
29. I know we're all bracing ourselves - UNNH - (for what good it may do!) - some days I can indeed
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:48 PM
Apr 2017

keep the faith better than others, eh - (today, not so much, but - we'll regroup. Got dammit)

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
6. better info here:
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:10 PM
Apr 2017
http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/6/15211092/twitter-trump-lawsuit-customs-alt-government

According to Twitter’s suit, filed today in Northern California District Court, US Customs and Border Protection has attempted to use a “limited-purpose investigatory tool” to unmask the owner of the Twitter account “@ALT_USCIS.” The account, one of several “alt” government accounts that appeared in the wake of Trump’s ascent to the presidency, was used “to express public criticism of the Department and the current Administration,” according to Twitter’s complaint.

rest at link

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
10. They're on the #AltGovt Megathread.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:37 PM
Apr 2017

It's the Streisand Effect at work.

#AltGovt Megathread: Unofficial Government Agency Twitter Accounts, Updated April 4, 2017

ALT Immigration: @ALT_USCIS

#resistance, Official inside resistance ALT Immigration . Team 2.0 Not the views of DHS or USCIS. old team follow died

line 45



Another source:

Twitter sues over feds’ request to unmask owner of @ALT_USCIS account

By Josh Gerstein | 04/06/17 04:43 PM EDT

Twitter is suing the federal government over what the company says is an unconstitutional effort to expose the identity of the creator one of many anti-Trump "alt" federal agency accounts that popped up soon after President Donald Trump was sworn in.

The short-message social-media site sued the Department of Homeland Security Thursday in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, seeking to void a summons a Customs and Border Protection agent sent to the company demanding that it turn over records identifying those behind the "@ALT_USCIS" account—a Twitter handle apparently used by one or more employees of the U.S Citizenship and Immigration Services.

"Defendants may not compel Twitter to disclose information regarding the real identities of these users without first demonstrating that some criminal or civil offense has been committed, that unmasking the users’ identity is the least restrictive means for investigating that offense, that the demand for this information is not motivated by a desire to suppress free speech, and that the interests of pursuing that investigation outweigh the important First Amendment rights of Twitter and its users," Twitter's attorneys wrote.

CBP warned Twitter not to notify the owner of the account, but the company did so after CBP said it did not intend to obtain a court order blocking such disclosure. The social-media company complains that the summons it received was issued under a federal law that pertains to investigations of illegal importation of merchandise.
....

Authors:

Josh Gerstein |  [email protected] |  @joshgerstein

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
24. yet one can get a chuckle from item #45
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:34 PM
Apr 2017

Incompetent WH demands records by the day before the summons was faxed

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
7. Nunes: Need work? Investigate this! (Looks like the Russian
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:11 PM
Apr 2017

Affairs Section, White House behind this.)

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
8. KGOP wants to PURGE everyone who will not Assume the Position
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:25 PM
Apr 2017

The KGOP demands that all submit to their russian-fueled KristoFascist Koo De Tat. They are just warming up here.

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
9. 10-4, Ach - I'm having apocalyptic visions of a mass "round up" here, with ban/kush cat fights
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:37 PM
Apr 2017

providing cover to the reality of what might be coming down here..hope to fuck I'm wrong, as do we all

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. I fear you are right. nt
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 04:39 PM
Apr 2017

They want names. Make no mistake, once Trump gets a name, he'll go after the person to destroy his life.

lark

(23,155 posts)
18. Scary, since he has my husbands' twitter address.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:54 PM
Apr 2017

He tweets shit at Drumpf all the time, dogging him for various and sundry reasons as there's a lot to hate. He recently got a tweet back from Drumpf - So Swingline, the liberal fool, doesn't like Donald T Trump and says bad things about me. I'll be president for the next 8 years, so the joke's on him, Loser.

Glad my husband doesn't include any personal information on his twitter profile!! The president is a very mean and vindictive asshole.

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
27. Aw, maaan - lark, I'm glad your husband "tweets shit" at dft - my favorite thing is to read
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:43 PM
Apr 2017

his idiot pronouncements, followed quickly by the delicious comments!!

Yes, things are getting a bit too damn scary here, but I bet dumbfuck didn't even send that tweet to your husband himself, and there are just too too TOO many people rising up against this regime (who have probably also gotten tweets from the LOSINGEST "pres." EVER)...all this to say, please stay calm, lark, even if this phony sob-in-chief is indeed a life-long vindictive asshole - fug 'em -

Peace!

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
15. Oh look! This is apparently on CNN now, via ALT_uscis tweet:
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:44 PM
Apr 2017


ALT🛂 Immigration
@ALT_uscis

well now on CNN! and we gained 17000 followers in less than 30 minutes. Thank you CBP/Trump twitter.com/CNN/status/850…

2:38 PM - 6 Apr 2017

Response to Rollo (Original post)

DK504

(3,847 posts)
25. Now DonnieRhea take a good look, this is McCarthyism.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:37 PM
Apr 2017

Trying to find who is against the Pre*ident, it's also fucking illegal.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
26. lots of masked twitter users working to get truth & Trump out
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:37 PM
Apr 2017

sometimes I worry about myself b/c I retweet a lot of political stuff with snarky comments about the f-ing R's

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
34. Twitter refuses U.S. order to reveal user behind anti-Trump account
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:24 PM
Apr 2017

Twitter refuses U.S. order to reveal user behind anti-Trump account

Reuters
Thu Apr 6, 2017 | 7:55pm EDT

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-twitter-lawsuit-idUSKBN1782PH

By David Ingram | SAN FRANCISCO
Twitter Inc on Thursday filed a federal lawsuit to block an order by the U.S. government demanding that it reveal who is behind an account opposed to President Donald Trump's tough immigration policies.

Citing freedom of speech as a basis for not turning over records, Twitter filed the lawsuit in federal court in San Francisco and said that the account, @ALT_uscis, claimed to be run by at least one federal immigration employee. The acronym CIS refers to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, and the account describes itself as "immigration resistance."

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
35. The ACLU is involved-representing the account holder. GOOD!!..
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 02:58 AM
Apr 2017





... The CBP summons doesn't state any reason for the demand — a key omission that is at the heart of Twitter's response.

Twitter said CBP was obligated to demonstrate that some criminal or civil offense had been committed and that outing the account holders' identities was the least restrictive way to advance the investigation.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which told NBC News that is representing the account holder, similarly argued that the government hadn't presented a strong justification for demanding the information.

"In this case the government has given no reason at all, leading to concerns that it is simply trying to stifle dissent," said Nathan Freed Wessler, a lawyer with the ACLU's Speech, Privacy and Technology Project.

In any event, Twitter's lawyers wrote, "Permitting CBP to pierce the pseudonym of the @ALT_USCIS account would have a grave chilling effect on the speech of that account in particular and on the many other 'alternative agency' accounts that have been created to voice dissent to government policies."

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
36. KO: Support the account President Asshole @realDonaldTrump is trying to suppress. Follow @ALT_uscis
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:04 AM
Apr 2017




Kathryn and 3 others Retweeted
Keith Olbermann?Verified account @KeithOlbermann 10h10 hours ago

Support the account President Asshole @realDonaldTrump is trying to suppress. Follow @ALT_uscis
188 replies 2,488 retweets 4,374 likes







Kathryn? @SpicyDemocrat 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @KeithOlbermann

@checkinghh @realDonaldTrump @ALT_uscis
Thank you Keith 👊✌
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Sharon Ball? @Sharon412011 15m15 minutes ago
Replying to @KeithOlbermann @realDonaldTrump @ALT_uscis

Done 😂
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Kelli Hanifan? @KelliHanifan 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @KeithOlbermann @realDonaldTrump @ALT_uscis

Done ✅
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Estela? @MeEstela 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @KeithOlbermann @rob13567 and

Done ✅
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able? @beable80 3h3 hours ago


Replying to @KeithOlbermann @realDonaldTrump @ALT_uscis

45 wanting them unmasked therefore bringing them to the media attention helped me find them, TY 45, count on one new follower for @ALT_uscis


riversedge

(70,299 posts)
39. Confirmed. Not just hearsay. Trump is now going after individual Twitter accounts that are meanies t
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:11 AM
Apr 2017






Rob Reiner and RiskyLiberal liked
J?SŦ?R ✪ ?CŦUAL³³º¹? @th3j35t3r 12h12 hours ago
Replying to @th3j35t3r

^^^ Confirmed. Not just hearsay. Trump is now going after individual Twitter accounts that are meanies to him. Twitter is suing to prevent.









Some replies:

J?SŦ?R ✪ ?CŦUAL³³º¹? @th3j35t3r 12h12 hours ago
Replying to @th3j35t3r

^^ To be clear. Trump takes to Twitter to ram his crap at the people. People laugh at him, demands 'unmasking' of an individual for revenge.
101 replies 1,123 retweets 2,025 likes
J?SŦ?R ✪ ?CŦUAL³³º¹? @th3j35t3r 12h12 hours ago

^^^ Full 25 page legal complaint from Twitter ref Trumps admin demanding personal details of anti-trump account >>
90 replies 1,174 retweets 1,252 likes
Resa? @Resa_Two 11h11 hours ago

THAT MOMENT,when you realize that the @POTUS just demanded the #UNMASKING of a US Person, because #twitter presents a danger but not #Russia
63 replies 2,176 retweets 3,438 likes
Ellie Lena? @sewimperfect 11h11 hours ago

It's delicious he hates being made fun of on @Twitter I tell my teens 2 ignore their insults, if you react u r showing it has power over u!
6 replies 113 retweets 255 likes
Resa? @Resa_Two 11h11 hours ago

retweet
the hell out of this...make it go VIRAL!!!

2 replies 56 retweets 129 likes
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