Trump vows insurance for everybody in Obamacare replacement plan

[milestogo]

Source: Washington Post

President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid.

Trump declined to reveal specifics in the telephone interview late Saturday with The Washington Post, but any proposals from the incoming president would almost certainly dominate the Republican effort to overhaul federal health policy as he prepares to work with his party’s congressional majorities.

Trump’s plan is likely to face questions from the right, following years of GOP opposition to further expansion of government involvement in the health-care system, and from those on the left, who see his ideas as disruptive to changes brought by the Affordable Care Act that have extended coverage to tens of millions of Americans.

In addition to his replacement plan for the ACA, also known as Obamacare, Trump said he will target pharmaceutical companies over drug prices and demand that they negotiate directly with Medicaid and Medicare. “They’re politically protected, but not anymore,” he said of pharmaceutical companies.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html

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Pie in the sky is now being served.

[cstanleytech]

1. Translation of what he really meant to say: "Bend over you fucking idiots that voted for me."

[briv1016]

2. "Trump declined to reveal specifics..."

Where have I heard that before?

[Munificence]

68. "We have to pass the bill before we know what's in the bill"?

[not fooled]

72. He's setting up his next con

"Tell the suckers what they want to hear"

After all, it worked so well before the election.

[thearchive]

3. I jsut saw an AD on TV for it

Was on a local channel - lots of families having a good time and soothing music and empty promises.

[2naSalit]

4. Can I have whipped cream with that?

Pretty please?

[Cha]

46. It comes with unicorn sprinkles and pixie dust.. whipped cream

cost extra.

[2naSalit]

60. But the

whipped cream is what the sprinkles go on, and I can't afford to pay extra... darn!

[Pyke]

5. If Republicans manage to actually give us single payer

They might actually be able to win without cheating.

[silverweb]

40. They would crow about it nonstop.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Their approval rating would go up and that's all we'd be hearing about in the media - how the reTHUGs got us single-payer health care while the Dems couldn't. It could be restricted, shitty, bare-bones health care, but it would still be a brilliant move on their part.

Then they'd take advantage of the approval and the distraction to quietly proceed with dismantling every other environmental and social program, while establishing permanent corporate dominance and ramping up our foreign misadventures.

[Hoyt]

43. I suggest IF they "give us single payer," we take it anyway.

[silverweb]

44. Oh, I agree completely!

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Once it's a reality in any form, it gives us a structure to build on and improve.

If they do it, though, they'd do it as a bribe/distraction and we cannot let them use it as an excuse to cut every other meaningful program already in place.

[Cha]

47. This is coming from a pathological liar.. ain't gonna happen.

[IronLionZion]

61. It would be the pro-business plan with lowest costs for job creators

Employers would benefit greatly from single payer

It's not that far fetched to get something like it from the right. They have talked about having everyone covered on low premium high deductible with savings account plans or catastrophic plans. It would be minimal bare bones coverage

The government provides socialist flood insurance for people living in high risk areas that private insurance won't cover

[LiberalLovinLug]

66. One of the hidden realities is how businesses would benefit

Especially when bidding for international contracts, which with globalization is more and more of a reality. The reason is that US companies as it stands have a disadvantage because they must include the cost of medical insurance they provide for their workers. Every other western democracy has some form of single payer which means that the population pays for it. I can see why Trump would be in favour of it.

It would be a coup if Trump used the bully pulpit to convince his anti-government-programs deplorables to embrace mandatory single payer medical insurance. Pull the wool right out from under the 'no we can't" DLC/DNC position.

[former9thward]

71. Its not "socialist flood insurance".

Its idiotic flood insurance. People should not live in high risk insurance areas. It is idiotic that the taxpayers are required to pay for foolish decisions by people who want to live where it floods routinely. Why should the government pick up where private insurers are smart enough to stay out.

[IronLionZion]

74. Why should anyone pay for diabetes and heart disease and cancer treatments

since people choose to eat fat and sugar and chemicals?

People need to live somewhere. As someone who has moved frequently through life, everywhere is the "wrong place to live" according to someone. Every single place I've lived has resulted in someone calling me stupid for living there.

And we all need need health care eventually.

[former9thward]

78. No, people do not need to live in a high flood risk area.

There is plenty of housing elsewhere. To compare rich people wanting the tax payers to pay for their mansions next to the river with people with heart disease and diabetes is deeply insulting.

[IronLionZion]

82. Why did you live in the 9th ward?

[former9thward]

89. I think you are confusing cities.

I did not live in the 9th ward of New Orleans which was flooded in an unpredictable flood. I lived in the 9th ward of Chicago where I held an elected position -- hence the username.

[LanternWaste]

87. I too pretend to know where people need to live.

I enjoy how you move the goalposts and call a valid comparison insulting, but are unable to point out the comparisons specific flaw. And the implication and color that only the rich live close to flood zones is, while irrational, quite bemusing as well.

I too pretend to know where people need to live. It's a wonderful way to advertise to everyone how clever we think we are.

[TexasBushwhacker]

73. One thing you can count on is it will be a better deal

For businesses than for consumers.

[Blue Idaho]

6. It's called the Emergency Room.

See how simple this really is? Got something wrong? Got no money? Just show up at the local Emergency Room.

[IronLionZion]

62. That was Reagan's plan

EMTALA required ERs to treat anyone regardless of payment ability, while the hospital has to recuperate the costs by overcharging everyone for everything else. Because people would die in the waiting room after being denied treatment.

We had to wait until Clinton took office before we got funding for small rural ERs to keep them open.

If Trump and the GOP pass any kind of ACA replacement, we will likely still have to wait for a Democratic president and congress before we can get enough funding for it to do any good.

[Blue Idaho]

63. You said a mouthful!

Listening to Trump's propagandist today and I realize any republican health care plan is really just a bunch of empty promises intended to increase profits for Insurers and Big Pharma.

[Chemisse]

79. Trump is just stupid enough to think this could be presented as a good 'plan'.

[RKP5637]

7. I'll believe it when we see it. Right now it's ...

[still_one]

35. exactly. What trump has demonstrated is that he is a pathological liar

[SCVDem]

8. BUUUUULLLLLLL

SHIT!!!!!

Whoopee! We're all gonna die!

[lark]

57. Country Joe and the Fish said that brilliantly decades ago.

Unfortunately, it was Nixon's plan for Viet Nam and drumpf's plan to completely decimate the working class and turn us into short lived virtual slaves. That's his true goal for us. For him, the plan is riches unlimited as he steals all our $$.

[keithbvadu2]

9. insurance for everybody, --- What quality or coverage or price?

Minor details of course.

[Thinkingabout]

10. He reminds me of a used car salesman specializing in lemons.

Maybe he should get the Republican congress to buy into his game. If they are going to do all he says then there will be tax increases to pay for Trumpcare, going to be interesting.

[mobeau69]

11. Trump said his plan for replacing most aspects of Obamas health-care law is all but finished.

When did they do this? Who were the health insurance experts involved in this planning? How could all of the work required to craft an entire plan be "all but finished" and nobody was even aware it was being done?

I call bullshit. I think donald dick is panicking over his low approval ratings along with his Putin problem.

[still_one]

36. It will be based on his HHS and Ryan's proposals. It is privatization, and it will be bad

Here are five key planks in his own health care proposal:

1.Price's plan offers fixed tax credits so people can buy their own insurance on the private market. The credit starts at $1,200 a year and rises with age, but isn't adjusted for income. Everyone receives the same credit whether they are rich or poor. People on Medicaid, Medicare, the military health plan known as Tricare, or the Veterans Affairs' health plan could opt instead for the tax credit to buy private insurance.
2.Price advocates for expansion of health savings accounts, which allow people to save money before taxes to pay for health care. This includes allowing people who are covered by government health programs including Medicare and the VA to contribute to health savings accounts to pay for premiums and copayments. These proposals are included in Ryan's plan.
3.People with existing medical conditions couldn't be denied coverage under Price's plan as long as they had continuous insurance for 18 months prior to selecting a new policy. If they didn't, then they could be denied coverage for that condition for up to 18 months after buying a new plan.
4.The Price proposal limits the amount of money companies can deduct from their taxes for employee health insurance expenses. Companies can deduct up to $20,000 for a family health insurance plan and $8,000 for an individual. The goal is to discourage companies from offering overly generous insurance benefits to their workers. Ryan's plan proposes a cap on the employer tax deduction but doesn't specify the level of the cap.
5.States would get federal money to create so-called high-risk pools under Price's plan. These are government-run health plans for people with existing medical conditions who can't get affordable health insurance on the private market. Critics say high-risk pools have been tried in as many as 34 states and largely failed because they were routinely underfunded.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/29/503720671/5-things-to-know-about-rep-tom-prices-health-care-ideas

Only it won't just apply to the ACA, Medicare and Medicaid will be right on that same chopping block.

I really hope something very bad happens to these assholes

[Rustyeye77]

50. Wow... that sucks....coupon health care.

Time to bring back Harry and Sally.

[still_one]

80. Here is a link to where Price and Ryan stand on it, and it is natural to assume that

trump is going to use that model


http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/29/503720671/5-things-to-know-about-rep-tom-prices-health-care-ideas

[DeminPennswoods]

12. Dems should be writing a single payer bill as I type

Call it TrumpCare and he will love it. With Trump's army of crazy deplorables who truly scare some GOP congresscritters, would they dare oppose it?

Also, David Cay Johnson was on one of night time MSNBC shows and said Trump actually believes in health care, that it's one of the few good things about him.

[truebluegreen]

16. +1

He's so easy to manipulate, I don't see why we shouldn't try. And his supporters are dumb/bigoted/misguided enough to get a health care plan that doesn't include the name "Obama" and be unconcerned about government interference in their lives.

Watch the R politicians' heads explode though. Could be a win-win.

[Nay]

65. Agreed! He's very easy to manipulate, so some Dem should present a single payer

plan with an easy and short description, and put Trump's name on it. If he bites, then it might not matter that the Pubs hate it -- they'll have to take it or be run out of office.

[mobeau69]

17. Medicare for all?

Trump probably doesn't realize that without a mandate his "plan", if he really has one, won't work. Period.

[truebluegreen]

75. Trump doesn't realize a lot of stuff.

We need to take advantage of that fact to, at the very least, set him and his followers against elected Rs.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. Rocky

watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. Right?

[Wellstone ruled]

14. Remember before ACA

there was insurance for all. Not all could get coverage or if they could not all could afford to pay the ridiculous Premiums or Co pays.

And All the 1%ers had nothing to worry about.

What is Con Job's definition all.

[elmac]

15. I think his new plan involves a rooter rooter

[Turbineguy]

18. It shall

bear his name. That's the most important bit.

It was the republicans who called the ACA Obamcare and the name was meant to be derogatory.

In Trumps case it will be a step closer to renaming the country, the World, even the Universe after Trump.

[mtngirl47]

20. Yep, the Trump brand on our health care

It will be the best and most expensive!

[FailureToCommunicate]

25. Only one level: golden.

[weissmam]

19. The high level people in the GOP

are Head=Desk right now

[mobeau69]

21. Maybe everyone should tweet their approval to the dumb fuck.

After all, that's all he craves. He has no philosophy. He just wants to be loved like Obama is. Maybe we should take a cue from Putin and play him like a cheap fiddle.

[mobeau69]

24. And after it's law we can call it Obamacare II.

[Freethinker65]

29. Actually this might work

Shower him with praise for his brilliance in figuring out how to keep all of the things people love about the ACA (no pre-existing conditions or lifetime caps, keeping kids on your plan until they are 26, "free" (no deductible) preventative care, etc.) all with reducing overall prices for better, more comprehensive, policies, along with price reductions for prescription medications. And he figured out all by himself how to do this and keep it affordable to EVERY U.S. citizen without raising taxes on anyone nor giving out government subsidies!!! A freaking genius he is.
Then watch what happens next and how he tries to deflect.

[spinbaby]

54. That could work

He's very susceptible to flattery.

[WhiteTara]

22. Whatever he says is a lie

so it stands to reason that we will have no insurance what so ever.

Better start hoarding those chickens, you'll need them at the doctor's office!

[hibbing]

23. That would upset their base

They get some serious pleasure from people suffering.


Peace

[mobeau69]

26. The hillbilly base will go along with anything their dear leader says.

It's the establishment that would be freaking out. He could form a coalition of the ignorant and the Dems and we get what we've always wanted.

I know, I'm just dreaming here but as Rudy's dad said in Hoosiers "Dreams are what make like tolerable".

Look for a major walk back tomorrow. Skeltor Barbie will be busy in the morning.

[Tatiana]

27. Think if we re-named "Medicare for All" Trumpcare, the idiot would support it?

Cause that's all that this is about. The moron hates that Obama has a signature achievement named after himself -- nevermind that the Republicans gave him that name and that it was supposed to be derogatory.

[keithbvadu2]

28. Speakers of House/Senate should be right on board. It's what they want..... Right?

[Zambero]

30. Gaslighting Lesson #14,749,266

Lie, Repeat a lie, revise the lie, deny the lie, confuse your audience, make false promises, shift the blame, back off and blame your enemies, repeat as needed.

[nini]

31. He just wants to slap his name on what is there now and then take credit for it

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I wouldn't put it past him.

this article makes him sound like he's on his game LOLOLOLOLOL

[CTyankee]

58. YOU GOT IT!

I have been predicting it.

Oh, and good luck, Donnie with forcing big pharma into doing anything they don't wanna do...

[dalton99a]

33. It's going to be a fantastic insurance plan, and he'll make Mexico pay for it

[briv1016]

37. Keep an ear out for the word "access" tomorrow.

Similar to how everyone has access to buy a yacht.

[AKing]

38. Get ready for vouchers that can't purchase diddly squat

[pbmus]

39. The Big Con ... There ya go makin shit up again..

[OldRedneck]

41. Health insurance for all . . .

. . . and Mexico will pay for it.

[Cryptoad]

42. everybody will be able to get ,,,

a policy with a Million Dollar deductible and copay.......

[Auggie]

48. +1,000,000

[jmowreader]

45. Does anyone believe Trump on anything?

If that bastard walked into my shop and said he was Donald Trump, I would ask for five forms of ID because you just know Pissboy can find two fake IDs in NYC.

[Cha]

49. Dump is Gaslighting the whole Damned Country.

[stonecutter357]

51. bull

[Bengus81]

52. Cheeto Care will let you "buy" insurance...BFD!

If it's $836 per month like BCBS raised my premium to at the end of last year WHAT does it matter. This clown hasn't given ONE detail about his BS plan. Remember...he didn't PROMISE to just repeal ACA but to make it BETTER and MORE AFFORDABLE.

100% LYING.......................

[Javaman]

53. in other news: tRump switches to meth from coke as his drug of choice. nt

[EarthFirst]

55. "Its going to be a fantactic plan..."

"I have the best people working on it. Its really great. Everyone will have the best under my plan. Its truly remarkable when my ideas generate good plans."

CNN: "Mr. President-Elect, do you have any specifics related to how your plan implementation will affect healthcare delivery to an additional 28 million in addition to the currently enrolled participants?"

"Don't be rude. It's a really good plan..."

[lark]

56. As usual, he means the opposite of what he says.

I believe what this really is is a pleas to drug companies to incentivize him not to do this. Just like he gave boat loads of $ to Carrier for doing what they were going to do anyway. Repugs wouldn't go along with the plan to lower drug prices, they get too much $$ from the pharma co's. AS usual with the orange assface, it's all bloviating. He's never serious when promising things for working class, only serious about increasing the power of the 1% and fucking the rest of us over.

[herding cats]

64. Spicer had to walk this back today.

As expected, it lasted all of one night.

Robert Costa? @costareports
.@seanspicer: Trump’s goal is “to get insurance for everybody thru marketplace solutions, thru bringing costs down"
Trump spokesman says Obamacare replacement will harness marketplace competition
washingtonpost.com

[Rollo]

67. Which may mean a return to the clown coverage of pre-ACA days, where sure you could get "insurance",

but it turned out to be a big joke, where the premiums cost more than any possible benefits. No major medical, no brand name prescription drug coverage, you'd be better off bargaining with doctors and hospitals and pharmacies.

I think Trump and the R's are going to find out how difficult it is to craft a replacement for the ACA that doesn't involve hurting millions of people. Or maybe they just don't care?

One bright spot is Trump's statement that he wants Medicare and Medicaid to negotiate prices directly with drug companies. This is something the Dems couldn't achieve with the ACA, too much push back from Big Pharma. I doubt however that the GOP will support that either.

I don't have my hopes up for any of this.

[herding cats]

70. The job of underwriting a successful for profit health ins policy is that it cost more than it cover

Which is what the majority of Republicans support, and is the reason they wanted to repeal the ACA in the first place. It had some provisions in place which created a barrier between underwriting a policy, and having maximum profits. Pre existing conditions coverage, yearly and lifetime caps are examples of such.

Knowing this, I see nothing useful coming from the Republicans. They'll apply lipstick to what they propose, but it's still not going to be something honestly better, or even as good as the ACA.

At best, people will lose key aspects of their coverage, or their entire ability to have coverage at all at worst.

[Rollo]

83. And yet, somehow, the Brits spend 1/2 as much as Americans on health care, but...

the Brits have better overall health outcomes by a 2 to 1 margin in comparable demographics.

Can one say, Universal Health Care?

Sure one can.

[harun]

69. Somebody in his administration eventually has to be the one to tell him that

legislation is required to make laws and "make health care great" on a sheet of paper isn't legislation.

[vlyons]

76. Let's not be close-minded

I don't expect Traitor Trump to able to establish universal healthcare. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. So I have the expectation that this is just so much hyperbolic bullshit from Traitor Trump. He's a pathological liar and changes his mind every 2 minutes.

However, these promises of “insurance for everybody" are bound to set-up his rural red-neck supporters with their own set of expectations. Will be interesting to see what the "deal" is with Ryan, if any. I think that Republicans are getting very very nervous.

Go check you representatives FB page and see what comments his constituents are leaving. My representative's (Hensarling R TX-5) FB pages are chock full of "don't take away my ACA" comments. As a Buddhist, I believe in the truth of karma. All actions bear results. As more and more people suffer for lack of affordable healthcare and medication, as more and more healthcare workers lose their jobs, as insurance rates go up to pick up the slack-dirth of insurees, all that too will bear fruit.

[Eliot Rosewater]

77. Give us universal healthcare and we will be grateful ...Lie to us, again, however,

and eventually even the naive people who voted for you will get angry.

[milestogo]

81. Honestly I think this shows what a simple mind Trump has.

He really doesn't grasp the complexity of the problems which are laid on the President's feet. Clearly he wasn't paying any attention when Obama was trying to negotiate between the insurance industry, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, doctors organizations, patient advocacy groups and other players in this scenario. Its the most complicated domestic issue. And he thinks you can replace it overnight with something better, without discussing it with any of these players. What a simpleton.

And if he thinks health care is a simple problem, just imagine how much he doesn't know about every aspect of foreign policy.

[Joe Bacon]

84. Yes Everyone will be able to buy junk insurance again!

Yesirree for pennies a day you can get yourself a health insurance policy with a $25,000 annual deductible and a lifetime limit of $50,000...

[Blue_Tires]

85. Just don't ask him for details...

[Sid Fishes]

86. Every Body...

that is female and an 8 or above, no doubt.

[Megahurtz]

88. Wouldn't the only way

Insurance be for everybody is to move to a Single Payer System?