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Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:30 PM Jul 2012

Georgia set to execute mentally disabled inmate despite court ruling

Source: Guardian

Georgia set to execute mentally disabled inmate despite court ruling

Move would pit Georgia against the will of the supreme court, which bans death penalty for inmates with learning disabilities

Ed Pilkington in New York
guardian.co.uk, Friday 13 July 2012 12.32 EDT

A death row prisoner in Georgia who has been officially deemed by the courts to be "mentally retarded" is scheduled to be executed next week despite a supreme court ruling that bans the death sentence for people with learning difficulties.

The Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles was due to hear a clemency appeal on behalf of the prisoner, Warren Hill, on Friday and has the power to commute his death penalty to life without parole.

But should the five-member board decide to dismiss his plea, Hill will be executed by lethal injection at 7pm on Wednesday at the Georgia Diagnostic and Classification Prison in Jackson in a move that could pit Georgia against the clear will of the supreme court, the highest judicial panel in the nation.

"We are heading into a constitutional crisis," Hill's lawyer, Brian Kammer, said. "The supreme court banned executions of mentally retarded prisoners, but here we are in Georgia about to execute a man who is mentally retarded."


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/13/georgia-execute-mentally-disabled-man

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Georgia set to execute mentally disabled inmate despite court ruling (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2012 OP
only in america. unblock Jul 2012 #1
Declare Georgia in rebellion caseymoz Jul 2012 #2
USA! USA! USA! :sarcasm: - n/t coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #3
It's time, I think wwytchwood Jul 2012 #4
Or create the United States of Canada TrogL Jul 2012 #5
That works for me wryter2000 Jul 2012 #6
I'm not willing xxqqqzme Jul 2012 #7
I'm okay with this provided we give Jesusland Alberta. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #9
No you can't - that's where I am TrogL Jul 2012 #28
The map is not quite accurate.... Swede Atlanta Jul 2012 #14
The south's certainly ignoring a shitload of court decisions lately, aren't they? (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #8
How are people not going to jail for this?! FiveGoodMen Jul 2012 #10
Nope. Not really. It is up to the executive branch to enforce the laws. Sivafae Jul 2012 #12
What law is being broken? Before you indict the Executive Branch, tell me which law you want msanthrope Jul 2012 #26
Florida did this a few years ago classykaren Jul 2012 #11
wow a2liberal Jul 2012 #13
Ugh, one of the many reasons... missheidi Jul 2012 #15
Regardless of their mental status davidthegnome Jul 2012 #16
He was already in for murder when he beat an inmate to death with a nailed 2x6. msanthrope Jul 2012 #18
What was a convicted murderer doing with a nailed 2x6 in prison?! Doremus Jul 2012 #22
Well, that behavior might suggest either collusion, or, negligence on the part of the prison staff. msanthrope Jul 2012 #25
What a clusterfuck of a case--Georgia requires a finding of mental retardation at a standard of BRD, msanthrope Jul 2012 #17
what does the family of the girl he killed think about the death penalty ? may3rd Jul 2012 #20
Ok. How does being in prison LWOP mean you beat a murder charge? msanthrope Jul 2012 #24
Hill was in jail for killing his girlfriend but sentenced to death for killing a fellow prisoner may3rd Jul 2012 #19
I'm in the process of writing a final paper choie Jul 2012 #21
waiting for a regular advocate for the NRA to post in this thread CreekDog Jul 2012 #23
Barbaric khermans Jul 2012 #27

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
2. Declare Georgia in rebellion
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:57 PM
Jul 2012

Cut off all federal funds. Let it exist as a Third World country for a while. As opposed to say, sending in the troops. We've already been through this Nullification shit before. If the state wants to secede, give a taste of a blockade.
 

wwytchwood

(31 posts)
4. It's time, I think
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:02 PM
Jul 2012

to re-constitute the Union Armies, and take back the South again, and not letting them rise ever.

wryter2000

(46,039 posts)
6. That works for me
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jul 2012

Let them try to exist without tax resources from CA, MA, and NY. They love to heap verbal abuse on us, let's see them do without us.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
7. I'm not willing
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jul 2012

to concede all those miles of coastal land to the corporate controlled, polluting idiots of jesusland.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
14. The map is not quite accurate....
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:55 PM
Jul 2012

First of all many of the states in the West including states like Wyoming, the Dakotas, Colorado (when it votes R) and to a lesser extent Idaho and Utah, Arizona and New Mexico don't vote Republican because of their belief that only Republicans love Jesus. Most of these westerns states do it because they have an aversion to government and authority and love their guns.

Further I think there are states in the Ohio valley and even states like Virginia don't vote that way for religious reasons.

But the South from the Carolinas, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arkansas and Oklahoma are definitely Jesusland.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
10. How are people not going to jail for this?!
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:23 PM
Jul 2012

Just like Rick Scott saying he won't obey court orders...

Does the court have any actual power?

Sivafae

(480 posts)
12. Nope. Not really. It is up to the executive branch to enforce the laws.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jul 2012

But this it a show of pure lawlessness none the less.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
26. What law is being broken? Before you indict the Executive Branch, tell me which law you want
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jul 2012

enforced?

classykaren

(769 posts)
11. Florida did this a few years ago
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:38 PM
Jul 2012

Florida said as long as they know right from wrong. I think the Feds need to arrest someone for attempted murder .Start with the governor.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
16. Regardless of their mental status
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 04:31 PM
Jul 2012

I have a hard time finding any sympathy for convicted murderers. Of course, our justice system is far from infallible and the innocent are convicted with alarming frequency. In any case, the law must be upheld, executing this man is wrong in any event. I am not a supporter of the death penalty - but I would not argue his case based on his mental status. Rather based on simple common sense - we do not discourage murder by executing those guilty of it.

If there is really no doubt of guilt, I tend to lean towards the less lenient side. As someone who personally has a history of mental illness, I find it contemptible that mental illness and/or retardation are so frequently used to justify or provide leniency for murder. There are so many who are mentally challenged in one way or another, or a variety of ways. So many who never commit any terrible crimes, certainly not murder. There cannot be one law for the sane and another for the insane. Nor can there be one for those of sound mental health and a different one for those who are mentally challenged.

In a just world, it would apply equally.

That said, Georgia is frigging insane. There is no need to execute this man, there is no justification for it and it is not even legal under our system.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
18. He was already in for murder when he beat an inmate to death with a nailed 2x6.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jul 2012

I'm not surprised the state went for the death penalty in that case. The family of the inmate does not want the death penalty, however...

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
25. Well, that behavior might suggest either collusion, or, negligence on the part of the prison staff.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jul 2012

Best not to ask tooooo many questions, though....

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
17. What a clusterfuck of a case--Georgia requires a finding of mental retardation at a standard of BRD,
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jul 2012

as opposed to preponderance, or more-likely-than-not.

The judge who found him mentally retarded found him using the lower standard.

Georgia Supremes upheld the stringent guideline, and the SCOTUS declined to hear.

The family of the guy he beat to death does not want the death penalty.

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
20. what does the family of the girl he killed think about the death penalty ?
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:28 PM
Jul 2012

How did his lawyer beat that murder charge which landed him in jail in the first place?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
24. Ok. How does being in prison LWOP mean you beat a murder charge?
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:48 PM
Jul 2012

Beating a murder charge means you walk.

I hope that the family of Ms. Wright was satisfied with the sentence sought on the original crime, and hope they have found peace.

It's entirely possible Georgia prosecutors never sought the death penalty on the original murder---take a look at McKlesky v. Kemp to find out why.

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
19. Hill was in jail for killing his girlfriend but sentenced to death for killing a fellow prisoner
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:26 PM
Jul 2012
.....Hill, 52, was sentenced to death for killing a fellow prisoner, Joseph Handspike, in 1990. At the time he was already serving a life sentence for murdering his girlfriend, Myra Wright

Why did he kill his girlfriend?

choie

(4,111 posts)
21. I'm in the process of writing a final paper
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:38 PM
Jul 2012

on the death penalty and mental illness and this tragically happens more often than we think (at least than I thought). It's truly frightening and immoral.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
23. waiting for a regular advocate for the NRA to post in this thread
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:45 PM
Jul 2012

apparently this does not horrify them as much as criticism of the NRA in an adjacent LBN thread.

look, we get it.

khermans

(1 post)
27. Barbaric
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:14 PM
Jul 2012

What kind of atavistic barbarians would do this? This is who Georgians freely elect into office?
I will guess they are "pro life", when it comes to zygotes. The people of Georgia should be ashamed they put these people into the positions they are in. If they are not, maybe they should move to Iran or some other dictatorship where this would be legal. I have a daughter who was born with Down Syndrome, and she is more compassionate and has more worth than any of these monsters.

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