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philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:52 PM Oct 2016

1 in 4 U.S. teachers are chronically absent, missing more than 10 days of school

Source: Washington Post

More than 1 in 4 of the nation’s full-time teachers are considered chronically absent from school, according to federal data, missing the equivalent of more than two weeks of classes each academic year in what some districts say has become an educational crisis.

The U.S. Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights estimated this summer that 27 percent of the nation’s teachers are out of school for more than 10 days of regular classes — some missing far more than 10 days — based on self-reported numbers from the nation’s school districts. But some school systems, especially those in poor, rural areas and in some major cities, saw chronic absenteeism among teachers rise above 75 percent in 2014, the last year for which data is available.

In the Alamance-Burlington School District, located between Greensboro and Chapel Hill, N.C., 80 percent of its 1,500 teachers missed more than 10 days of school in the 2013-2014 school year. Cleveland reported that about 84 percent of its 2,700 teachers had excessive absences. Nevada’s Clark County School District, which includes Las Vegas, reported that more than half of its 17,000 teachers were chronically absent — missing a total of at least 85,000 work days, or the equivalent number of hours that nearly 500 teachers would work during an entire 180-day school year.

While much attention focuses on the 6 million students who miss more than 15 days of school each year, making them much more likely to see low achievement and increasing the chances of not making it to graduation, teacher absences could be having a similarly negative effect on scholastic success. Superintendents and education policymakers say students need consistency in the classroom and high-quality instruction, noting that a parade of substitutes can seriously set back academic progress.

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Given how poorly we pay teachers in this country, is it any wonder??
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1 in 4 U.S. teachers are chronically absent, missing more than 10 days of school (Original Post) philosslayer Oct 2016 OP
It's a stressful job with no flexible hours Ellen Forradalom Oct 2016 #1
Well true the hours are not very flexible but on the other hand it beats working for alot of cstanleytech Oct 2016 #12
It is far harder work than doing retail. duffyduff Oct 2016 #17
Hmm my brother might argue differently as he works in a high volume Publix cstanleytech Oct 2016 #20
Those are more physically stressful but teaching has other stressors adigal Oct 2016 #23
I'm did not say it wasnt stressful I am just saying the hours are better than what alot of people cstanleytech Oct 2016 #26
So your boss and coworkers talk publicly on Facebook adigal Oct 2016 #37
Nope, closest that's happened is here on the DU and a good % of those cstanleytech Oct 2016 #38
Retail stocking was the easiest job I've ever had LanternWaste Oct 2016 #24
I'm a teacher... bmstee01 Oct 2016 #51
It's a very stressful job and I don't ever get to close my door and have a cup adigal Oct 2016 #22
and kids... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #36
low pay, long hours, high stress, and a largely thankless job.... mike_c Oct 2016 #2
If you don't want teachers to get sick, don't send your sick kids to school Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #3
Absolutely on the mark!!!! apcalc Oct 2016 #4
The truth. n/t duffyduff Oct 2016 #18
Thank you! nt Nay Oct 2016 #25
Part of the problem can also be because of the myriad of diseases that come through the classroom. Frustratedlady Oct 2016 #5
Oddly absent from the OP though, is a relevant portion of the story as reported. LanternWaste Oct 2016 #6
Yep. The issues are more about morale than pay. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #10
It's not an odd omission alcibiades_mystery Oct 2016 #15
I've inferred a particular strain of narrative from him. LanternWaste Oct 2016 #21
Children are little petri dishes of germs... older children too... :) NotHardly Oct 2016 #7
That doesn't surprise me at all. I frequently get sick simply from... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #13
You get sick constantly duffyduff Oct 2016 #16
This is very true Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2016 #43
Thats why they have substitute teachers elmac Oct 2016 #8
Ten days is chronically absent? dembotoz Oct 2016 #9
Exactly what I thought as well Hav Oct 2016 #27
I had the same thought... PersonNumber503602 Oct 2016 #41
Stating the obvious - Teachers need breaks packman Oct 2016 #11
Yes - let's see, 10 days a year, 9 months of teaching, maybe a month of prep csziggy Oct 2016 #34
I just don't see why they don't simply cstanleytech Oct 2016 #39
Anti-teacher bullshit duffyduff Oct 2016 #14
When I was teaching I was sick most of the time. Kids = Viruses YOHABLO Oct 2016 #19
Three GENERATIONS of teachers in my family Nac Mac Feegle Oct 2016 #28
Very little of the work can be delegated duffyduff Oct 2016 #44
Wholehearted agreement here. athena Oct 2016 #54
How many are scheduled sick days? eilen Oct 2016 #29
When I was teaching, we got 10 sick days per year TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #30
30 years in public education Ishoutandscream2 Oct 2016 #31
Wish I had joelg Oct 2016 #35
Far too many teachers treat the days as vacation days they are entitled to take, Ms. Toad Oct 2016 #40
Are they including professional development into those absences? Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2016 #42
Inflexible hours, poor pay, high stress, no respect BigDemVoter Oct 2016 #45
10 days is not that much, how many days does Congress get off a year? Rex Oct 2016 #46
355 or 356 depending on the year! whistler162 Oct 2016 #49
HA! Rex Oct 2016 #55
Who would want to be a teacher nowadays? Quantess Oct 2016 #47
Link to the WaPo article nitpicker Oct 2016 #48
Ohhh bullshit, Old Vet Oct 2016 #50
I'm a teacher bmstee01 Oct 2016 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Odin2005 Oct 2016 #53

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
12. Well true the hours are not very flexible but on the other hand it beats working for alot of
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:52 PM
Oct 2016

retailers where a schedule can fluctuate wildly from week to week where one week you might work mornings and then suddenly they put you on closing shift or the even fun one of having you close at 11 pm and then open at 5 am.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
17. It is far harder work than doing retail.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:07 PM
Oct 2016

Don't hand me the nonsense retail is harder.

If you have never taught, you have no idea at all what hard work is.

It isn't just the 8-3 instruction time. There are mountains of prep time that are NOT compensated.

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
20. Hmm my brother might argue differently as he works in a high volume Publix
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:22 PM
Oct 2016

store and is constantly on the move all day lifting heavy boxes of things like potatoes and other produce.
Now his wife has it a bit easier as she works as a cake decorator for walmart though shes on her feet all day like he is.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
23. Those are more physically stressful but teaching has other stressors
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:35 PM
Oct 2016

I just talked to a teacher today - she's been teaching Science for 25 years. A parent and Guidance Counselor blindsided her the other day, demanding she give more than one night for a 30 minute lab write-up because "they have other homework." In high school. Other parents talk openly about her on Facebook, for all the world to see, because she teaches a difficult subject and they say lower grades are because "she's terrible." And as teachers, we have no recourse about anyone saying anything they want about us, on Facebook or elsewhere. Add in spineless administration who should call these parents and explain the concept of libel to them, and we feel under attack from every direction.
That's more stressful than retail. I know. I've done both.

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
26. I'm did not say it wasnt stressful I am just saying the hours are better than what alot of people
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:50 PM
Oct 2016

like my brother in retail have to deal with.
As for the boss and stuff, almost all of us get that kinda shit to deal with at work with our bosses.

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
38. Nope, closest that's happened is here on the DU and a good % of those
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 11:13 PM
Oct 2016

people are now unable to post here anymore.
Not because I reported them but because they kept on with other people and ended up getting themselves banned.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
24. Retail stocking was the easiest job I've ever had
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:37 PM
Oct 2016

Retail stocking was the easiest job I've ever had. Being on my feet for eight hours was nothing, and even for a skinny guy like me, lifting heavy crates of electronics was simplistic if done correctly and efficiently.

Maybe your brother could use an in-service in regards to proper methods of lifting, moving, bending at the knees, avoidance of twisting, etc.

bmstee01

(453 posts)
51. I'm a teacher...
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 07:48 AM
Oct 2016

I worked in retail while in college. Physically it could be exhausting, but I have never been more tired than when the school day ends. It is complete physical and mental exhaustion. I love what I do, but it has its days.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
22. It's a very stressful job and I don't ever get to close my door and have a cup
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:30 PM
Oct 2016

Of coffee. As soon as I close my door, my students will knock. Add mountains of paperwork because I teach English and NY has added APPR paperwork.

I love teaching, but it has more stress than any other job I've had.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
36. and kids...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 10:43 PM
Oct 2016

are little germ factories. Having grandchildren at home, the start of school season means I am going to be getting sick a bit.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
2. low pay, long hours, high stress, and a largely thankless job....
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:58 PM
Oct 2016

Who could have ever predicted the working conditions would lead to chronic absenteeism?

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
5. Part of the problem can also be because of the myriad of diseases that come through the classroom.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:09 PM
Oct 2016

I have several teachers in my family and between the stress of all that has been added to their load at school, there is also the school-related work at home in the evenings and on weekends to contend with. Every case of the flu, viruses and other contagious situations brings the chance of the teacher using another sick day. The classroom is an incubator.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. Oddly absent from the OP though, is a relevant portion of the story as reported.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:15 PM
Oct 2016

Oddly absent from the OP though is a relevant portion of the story (a simple yet consistent oversight, I'm sure)...

"point to teachers taking sick leave, maternity leave and personal days to which they are entitled..."

Or, "McGrath then accumulated seven absences since the beginning of September, though he said he was only really sick for one of those days. He quit his job last month, saying he felt he did not have his principal’s support and that he thought the school didn’t have enough support staff to control behavior in the building...."

And, "Though school districts were not supposed to include professional development days in their tallies, some did. And some of the data was just plainly in error: The Onslow County, N.C. school district, for example, was shown to have 99 percent of its teachers chronically absent but said its number is actually 19 percent...."

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
21. I've inferred a particular strain of narrative from him.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:24 PM
Oct 2016

I've inferred a particular strain of narrative from him, however I defer (in public) to a simple and unconscious neglect rather than a biased and conscious observance.

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
7. Children are little petri dishes of germs... older children too... :)
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:17 PM
Oct 2016

I taught for over 20 years in classrooms in college and I can attest to the number of illnesses (flu, colds, strep throat, etc.) I became infected with, every single term, because students attended ill and spread their illness to faculty and other students. It was always like a fire going through a dry forest. I have since retired, limiting my exposure, and have never been healthier.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,859 posts)
13. That doesn't surprise me at all. I frequently get sick simply from...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:01 PM
Oct 2016

... attending family events with lots of young relatives there. I'd wear a face mask to Thanksgiving and Christmas gatherings if it was socially acceptable.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
16. You get sick constantly
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:06 PM
Oct 2016

unless you teach older students. Their immune system is much better, almost on the level with adults. It happens, but not as bad.

Young kids--forget it. They are lethal.

You NEVER, ever built up immunity no matter how careful you are.

Parents need to keep their kids home when they are sick.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
43. This is very true
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 12:41 AM
Oct 2016

I was a teacher for a short time and I got sick so much being a teacher. Other jobs I had I pretty much didn't get sick at all. You are definitely more likely to catch something hanging around a bunch of kids every day.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
8. Thats why they have substitute teachers
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:38 PM
Oct 2016

not a big deal unless the Reich is using this as an excuse to privatize schools. I wonder if private schools were included, may have missed that.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
27. Exactly what I thought as well
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:58 PM
Oct 2016

Even without taking into account being in contact with many people and young kids, having the flu in the summer and in the winter isn't that unusual and can easily result in being sick 1 week each.
To call that being chronically absent sounds absurd.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
11. Stating the obvious - Teachers need breaks
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:44 PM
Oct 2016

from administrators, students, and parents . Classroom work is a grind and it grinds fine. Amazing that that 10 day figure isn't higher. An average classroom probably has 30+ students, 5 periods a day = 150 students seen in one day. Throw class preps and meetings which generally serve no purpose and students with attitude into the mix and it is a wonder teachers stay in the profession at all.

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
34. Yes - let's see, 10 days a year, 9 months of teaching, maybe a month of prep
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 08:16 PM
Oct 2016

Since most teachers I know have to duties a couple of weeks before and after the students are in class.

So WOW - those lazy teachers, insisting on taking ONE day a month - how dare they?!

Hmmm, most full time retail jobs give one day of vacation for every two weeks for starting workers - by the time my husband retired he got 2.5 days for every two weeks he worked and 1 sick day per month added to the 5 sick days every worker got a year.

ONE day off a month? That is NOTHING to worry about. For the people who are getting the children of America ready for their futures (when they are allowed to actually teach) I'd be happy to see them take those days and however many more they need to stay physically and mentally healthy so they can do their jobs to the best of their abilities.

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
39. I just don't see why they don't simply
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 11:19 PM
Oct 2016

redo the system and work them 4 days out of 7 instead. People need days off on the weekdays to for things like doctors appointments and so forth.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
14. Anti-teacher bullshit
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:03 PM
Oct 2016

When you work around children, especially younger children, you are more likely to get sick than parking your ass in front of a computer all day.

It is extremely difficult work.

School districts are infamous for violating FMLA. I know this firsthand.

Nac Mac Feegle

(972 posts)
28. Three GENERATIONS of teachers in my family
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 06:39 PM
Oct 2016

3 of my grandparents, both parents, and a sister.

/Rant ON

You know not of what you speak. Anyone that thinks teaching is an easy job is ... sadly delusional.

The educational requirements to do the job are incredible, the hours are interminable, and the risks are unbelievable.

You need 4 to 6 years of college, depending on the state, and there are continuing education requirements that must be kept up with. At your own expense, largely.

All that homework has to be corrected. For each student. Lesson Plans and tests have to be prepared and documented for Administration, beforehand. Additional duties such as Playground and Cafeteria monitoring need to be done. Extracurricular activities such as plays, sports, band, field trips, and fire drills are also thrown in the mix. Not to mention weather disaster and Active Shooter drills. Then there is the Almighty Standardized Test That Must Be Prepared For, lest your District lose funding. Given two to three times a year.

As for sickness, consider this: If a parent can't afford to stay home with a mildly ill child, they are often told to "tough it out" and go to school anyway, exposing everyone they come into contact with, and the ones they come in contact with, and the ones they come in contact with... Meanwhile the teacher is limited to the number of days they have available, so they have to "tough it out" themselves. There is also the risk of assault from the students themselves, or their parents. And the risk of lawsuit from the random parent of Entitled Jennifer who has "blown off" classes for the last half of Senior year, and is "traumatized that she will suffer the humiliation of not graduating with her Class". (It really happened. The administration caved.)

And the pay.... Don't let me get started on the pay. And don't EVER expect to survive telling me "They only work nine months a year."

The lack of respect for such an important job as educating our children is appalling. These are your children. They need to be given knowledge to survive and thrive in the world, and you only want to give them little more than poverty wages? And derided as "unable to make it in the real world"? You do not understand what goes in to the process of education.

IT IS NOT "GLORIFIED BABYSITTING".

This doesn't even get into the realm of contracts, arbitrarily enforced rules from Administration, and the interpersonal complications caused by the aforementioned stresses.

/Rant OFF


Sorry, but not very. An extremely sensitive nerve was touched in a most unkind way.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
44. Very little of the work can be delegated
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 12:52 AM
Oct 2016

The worst part about teaching is if you have a bad administrator. If that administrator wants you out, he or she, with the full backing of the district, will force you out, virtually guaranteeing you will never work again in public ed.

It is NOT an easy job. Try teaching kindergarten, for example. Clue to the clueless: these days kindergarten is what first grade used to be. When you have upwards of 25 kids and perhaps half of them with behavior problems, you would realize just how hard the job is.

It doesn't get all that much easier in the higher grades.

The reason the job is denigrated is because mostly women do it.

Re sick kids: In the district where I currently work--not as a certified teacher as of now--if a child has a fever, that kid gets sent home right away. Kids are not allowed to hang around and make everybody else sick.

However, adults and other kids still do get ill.

athena

(4,187 posts)
54. Wholehearted agreement here.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 12:38 PM
Oct 2016

Especially with this part:

The lack of respect for such an important job as educating our children is appalling. These are your children. They need to be given knowledge to survive and thrive in the world, and you only want to give them little more than poverty wages? And derided as "unable to make it in the real world"? You do not understand what goes in to the process of education.


I couldn't have said it better, and I'm not even a teacher and don't have children.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
29. How many are scheduled sick days?
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 06:51 PM
Oct 2016

I've had to use quite a few for Dr. appointments, mammogram etc. I am not a teacher, (but in a teacher's union) and work M-F. You would be surprised at how little is available appointment wise after 4pm M-F.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,234 posts)
30. When I was teaching, we got 10 sick days per year
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 07:22 PM
Oct 2016

We could accumulate them. Teachers are paid for the days they work, so if they use up their sick leave, they don't get paid. In 9 years, I knew of one non-pregnant teacher who used up all of his sick leave. He had a bad habit of taking off pay days occassionally, so he burned through his sick days every year.

Then he got hepatitis, and had no sick leave, so that was bad. But most teachers were very conservative with taking their sick days. Female teachers with growing families would plan their pregnancies as much as possible, so they could use their accumulated sick days. We could also give our unused sick days to a sick leave bank if we wanted, so that someone who ran out of sick days had a back up.

Some school districts pay teachers for unused sick days when they retire. But if they don't, use them or lose them. Most teachers can't afford to take too many days off without pay. In any case, if school districts have a problem with teacher absenteeism, I suggest they investigate WHY.

Ishoutandscream2

(6,664 posts)
31. 30 years in public education
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 07:49 PM
Oct 2016

I've been a high school counselor for 20 years. I taught for ten years. Those were the longest twenty years of my life.

joelg

(18 posts)
35. Wish I had
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 09:33 PM
Oct 2016

In 11 years teaching in VA I accumulated 72 sick days. Used 2 sick days. When I quit what had become an onerous occupation I found out something I should have looked into before. I received 25% of my daily pay for those days and was very close to the $5K limit. So if I had known...I would have taken many more days!

Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
40. Far too many teachers treat the days as vacation days they are entitled to take,
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 12:10 AM
Oct 2016

rather than days set aside for a specific need (personal or family illness, or medical care).

I taught for 11 years, took a month off when I was hospitalized, and still left teaching with around 100 days of accumulated sick leave. I don't begrudge the school district a penny of the sick leave they saved when I left them on the table.

But, around the same time I was hospitalized for a month, with plenty of accumulated leave to cover it, the teacher's union was trying to get a scheme approved that would have permitted teachers wtih excess days to contribute to a pool that could be drawn down by teachers who were ill and did not have sufficient leave.

Since I had watched many of my peers religiously be sick for 1.25 days a month, I was not a fan of rescuing them from the consequences of treating sick leave as vacation days. (That's not to say that there were not teachers I would have gladly helped out - teachers who had catastrophic illnesses too early in their career to have accumulated enough leave to cover it, for example. But the scheme being drafted would not have permitted me to pick and choose by whom my hours could have been used.)


Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
42. Are they including professional development into those absences?
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 12:36 AM
Oct 2016

I know teachers are required to attend professional development classes that sometimes cause them away from school too.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
46. 10 days is not that much, how many days does Congress get off a year?
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:15 AM
Oct 2016

Teachers have a hard time with so many people shitting on their profession.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
48. Link to the WaPo article
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 06:01 AM
Oct 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/1-in-4-us-teachers-are-chronically-absent-missing-more-than-10-days-of-school/2016/10/26/2869925e-9186-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html

(snip)
School district administrators do not know what exactly is causing excessive teacher absenteeism. Some point to teachers taking sick leave, maternity leave and personal days to which they are entitled, and others attribute part of the problem to school climate. When teachers don’t feel motivated to go to school and teach, some of them just don’t show up.
(snip)

Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, said the federal data doesn’t paint a fair, complete or accurate picture because it only reports when teachers are out of their classrooms, not why they are out, such as for illnesses or family deaths. She also said teachers face unusual workplace stress, and that women, who make up a majority of teachers, are often primary caregivers for their families and are more likely to miss work because of it.
(snip)

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
50. Ohhh bullshit,
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 07:37 AM
Oct 2016

Half of my family is currently or retired teachers, From elementary to college positions. They are dedicated people with a very high stressful job. Period.........

bmstee01

(453 posts)
52. I'm a teacher
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:01 AM
Oct 2016

I use about 1 sick or personal day a year. Missing work is twice as much work as just going when you don't feel well. I will say I have never missed for being sick. I have used them for a day off from the noise. Now I will say I end up using the day off to catch up on grading, working on my program review, etc. I would say on average I work 12 hours a day. My friends that work for companies go into work at about 9 or 10, they take a 2 hour lunch, and leave at 5. I show up at 8:00 get 30 minutes for lunch and leave at 5:00.
As far as the point of this post about teachers missing several days. I can't say that I've observed teachers missing THAT MANY days. I will say my colleagues miss more than me. However, all of my colleagues are women and mothers. I frequently hear them say that when their kids get sick they have to stay home bc their husbands can't/won't. Even in my relationship my partner delegates extra real life tasks to me and says, well just take care of it while the kids are working.... Rigggghhht! I take my eyes off the kids and there's a fight, things are getting broken... And I'm in a good school.

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