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Wed Jul 4, 2012, 02:32 PM

Didn't send your kid to war? Maybe you can send $$

Source: AP

July 4, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Didn't send your kid to war? Maybe you can send $$
By Pauline Jelinek
The Associated Press


Washington If you have military-age children who have not served in this decade's wars, then you owe a debt meaning money to those who did. That's the premise of a new fundraising effort by three wealthy American families who want to help U.S. veterans of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Every non-military family should give something, they said. The affluent should give large sums. No one should think of it as charity, but rather a moral obligation, an alternative way to serve, perhaps the price of being spared the anxiety that comes with having a loved one in a war zone.

"We have three able-bodied, wonderful, wonderful children, all of whom are devoted to doing very, very good things around social justice; and we could not be more proud of them," said Philip Green, a local businessman who devised the fundraising idea. "We're also delighted that none of them had to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan."

Green says he and his wife came to look at that as unfair: "I realized that there were parents just like me down the street, down the block ... who did not have that luxury" and were suffering sleepless nights and anxiety, "which I was able to avoid."



Read more: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120704/NATION/207040364#ixzz1zgDSGR9u

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Reply Didn't send your kid to war? Maybe you can send $$ (Original post)
Bozita Jul 2012 OP
hobbit709 Jul 2012 #1
stockholmer Jul 2012 #2
notadmblnd Jul 2012 #3
Bozvotros Jul 2012 #10
agent46 Jul 2012 #19
cstanleytech Jul 2012 #4
JVS Jul 2012 #5
StateApparatus Jul 2012 #6
Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #7
Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #18
NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #8
Mike_Valentine Jul 2012 #14
DavidDvorkin Jul 2012 #9
awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #11
Earth_First Jul 2012 #12
dtom67 Jul 2012 #13
Trillo Jul 2012 #15
AzDar Jul 2012 #16
Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #17
fujiyama Jul 2012 #20
MrModerate Jul 2012 #21
bananas Jul 2012 #22
bananas Jul 2012 #23
marble falls Jul 2012 #24
jhasp Jul 2012 #25
Yavin4 Jul 2012 #26
YankeyMCC Jul 2012 #27
surrealAmerican Jul 2012 #28

Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 02:36 PM

1. We'd have a lot less wars if the ones who support them were put in the first attack wave.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 02:42 PM

2. even simpler solution--- END THE FUCKING WARS...... NOW!!!!!

 

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 02:53 PM

3. the wars were fought on behalf of corporate America. She needs to knock on those doors, not mine.

I did not bring my son into this world to fight for corporate profits.

They are also wrong about some not having a choice. All of them had a choice, no one was drafted into the service.

Who was it that said "what if they gave a war and nobody showed up"?

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 03:38 PM

10. Agreed (mostly)

This group of veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan have been given far more than previous veterans....especially Vietnam Veterans (but even they are catching up). A large proportion of these most recent vets will get lifetime disability pensions of up to 3000 a month and free health care. Neither Bin Laden or Saddam presented a real risk to our sovereignty so nobody in these wars was fighting to keep us free. In a few years whatever "progress" was made over there will likely be erased. While I appreciate the fact that we have a potent military and people willing to serve, fight and die for my freedom, it would be far better to honor our soldiers by only sending them into conflicts worthy of their sacrifice. Probably the better thing to do would be for everyone to send money to the orphans and cripples we made "liberating" those countries.

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Response to Bozvotros (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 10:57 PM

19. Well said

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 03:01 PM

4. How odd, here I thought that we paid taxes partially to fund the military and to help

pay for veterans.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 03:03 PM

5. Fuck that bullshit.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 03:03 PM

6. Riiiight...

*Ahem* no. The way I see it, I'm owed a refund for the many misguided, improper military expeditions our nation has embarked upon since I started paying taxes. Add to that the banking and auto industry bailouts and subsidizing corporate profits and tax breaks, and I'm owed quite a bit of money.

Militarist, right-wing, sanctimonious feces.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 03:04 PM

7. Wow...The writer fell for it hook, line and sinker

Wake the fuck up, man...This entire scheme is just a money laundering scam/campaign slush fund/tax dodge for the one-percenters wrapped up in faux patriotism...

I was amused at how much they strained themselves pretending they "care" so much in the story...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:18 PM

18. I'm gonna give the writer the benefit of the doubt, and assume that they are just a willing hack

No one could be that damned gullible

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 03:16 PM

8. How does one "send their kid" to war?

The last time I checked, you had to be 18 to serve in the military. How can a parent force their adult child to enlist?

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 06:45 PM

14. In the same sense that some have claimed...

 

... they wouldn't "let" their child serve in the military.

Not their call either way but parents cling... My recruiter buddies have stories for days about enlistees parents.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 03:29 PM

9. "I have dedicated a son to the Fuehrer."

That's how German parents were supposed to refer to the loss of a soldier son in battle during the Nazi era.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 03:38 PM

11. Taxes- I pay them...

End the goddamned wars.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 04:45 PM

12. This veteran says "No." n/t

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 06:29 PM

13. heard this before...

Sounds just like the idea that the tax system is unfair because the poor do not pay.

Maybe if the gov't didn't just give the money to contractors for nothing, you wouldn't need to have a fundraiser.

This is an apologist for the well-to-do trying to assuage their conscience because they accidentally thought about the inherent disparity between who fights the wars and who profits from the wars.

Or maybe they are just disingenuous assholes trying to engage in some doublespeak.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 06:55 PM

15. What about Corporate Persons?

Do corporations owe any debts to veterans?

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:05 PM

16. Should be knock, knock, knockin' on the doors of Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, and Rummy...

For starters...

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:15 PM

17. I honestly thought this was from The Onion

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 12:10 AM

20. The wealthy just trying to assuage their guilty conscience

I think it's almost a bit insulting to those who serve and their families. Like cutting a check to them is in any way equivalent to having their loved one sacrifice themselves for politicians' whims.

How about this wealthy folks? We actually end the wars, bring those troops home, and utilize them in rebuilding our own country - our infrastructure mainly. We could use the immense technical and leadership skills at home in many ways. Unfortunately for many of you 1%ers, it means fewer defense contracts. I think that's a real sacrifice worth making.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 03:52 AM

21. Nonsense.

I am paying for those wars already with a wrecked economy, a vastly more unsettled planet, and the inconvenience of having to pretend I'm Canadian when I travel outside the US.

American military people were sold a bill of goods. Their leaders insisted that they had to go to war to protect freedom and the American homeland. It was, is, and always shall be bullshit.

This is a charity plain and simple. If you support their goals and methods, send 'em your money. But they don't get to put a moral obligation on me for wars that I resisted to the extent an individual citizen can. Besides which, I went to Iraq as a civilian to try to clean up the mess (which was not entirely of US making), so I'm pretty comfortable I've done my bit.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 05:59 AM

22. How bout we arrest Bush Cheney Powell Rice and the other crminals who perpetrated this $3T scam?

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 07:10 AM

23. "mostly related to obesity"

The military also doesn't want most Americans.
It says 75 percent of the target recruit-age
population of 17-24 year-olds is unqualified due
to health problems (mostly related to obesity),
drug or alcohol histories, or too little education
(no high school diploma).

The CDC says obesity in America is at epidemic levels.
Could it be an act of self-preservation, a survival mechanism?
Have American parents been fattening up their kids as a way of protecting them, so they would be passed over by the military?

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 07:36 AM

24. As a vet I do not want anybody's blood money payment of guilt.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 01:38 PM

25. End Selective Service NOW

This they went so my children won't have to bull is propagated by the Selective Service system. The SSS is barbaric. If the US government can't find enough willing cannon fodder then it is a good sign that the war is unjust.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 02:17 PM

26. A Better Idea: Bush, Cheney, and Their Neo-Cons Friends Should Send Money

They were the ones that put them there in the first place.

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 02:29 PM

27. Wasn't this the practice during the Civil War drafts...

sign up or pay someone $100 or $200 to take your place.

Oh how democratic!

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Response to Bozita (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 03:07 PM

28. military-age children?

There is no such thing as "military-age children". They are adults, and as such are responsible for their own decisions.

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