Sanders gets booed as he urges supporters to vote for Clinton
Source: Politico
Bernie Sanders provoked outrage from his supporters on Monday after he declared that the time has come for them to elect presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine.
"Immediately right now, we have got to defeat Donald Trump. And we have got to elect Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine," Sanders said at the Philadelphia rally, drawing boos and subsequent chants of "we want Bernie."
Sanders raised his right hand as if to hush the crowd, before remarking, "brothers and sisters ... brothers and sisters, this is, this is the real world that we live in."
"Trump is a bully and a demagogue. Trump, Trump has made bigotry and hatred the cornerstone of his campaign," Sanders said. "Throughout this campaign, he has insulted Mexicans and Latinos, he has insulted Muslims, he has insulted women and African-Americans."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/bernie-sanders-booed-convention-226136
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BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)supporters. They don't live in the real world.
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ProfessorGAC
(65,035 posts)Every single one?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,035 posts)Because that's not what you wrote in your first post. So, some are living in la-la land but others aren't. And those who weren't were living where exactly, 3 months ago?
On Edit: I preferred Bernie's message, but i support the dem candidate, particularly over a megalomaniac like DT. But, i'm pretty sure i was living in the real world the whole time.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Craig234
(335 posts)It's just another smear of Bernie re-fighting the campaign you posted.
George II
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CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Craig234
(335 posts)Bernie didn't tell people "they'd get it all" and he always said the R's would not go along with it unless there was a political revolution forcing them do so and voting them out.
That is a false representation of Bernie's statements, during the campaign and now.
It's a gratuitous smear.
But it is funny the candidate who effectively admits SHE can't get things done - I didn't hear any plan to magically get the R'd to go along with her agenda - is given credit for it while Bernie is attacked as if Republicans only are against him.
KPN
(15,645 posts)Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)The primaries are over, help defeat Trump please.
Craig234
(335 posts)Some Hilary supporters put Bernie supporters in this position over and over and over. Do we report your post for divisiveness and re-fighting the primary? Or do we criticize it and get our post hidden by partisans?
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)I only care about about beat the loathsome Trump. Rehashing primaries of days past is not helping to do that.
This is a binary election, as the US has a binary POTUS electoral system (in almost all modern realms of probability).
Trump or Clinton
Your choice.
Not voting or voting for the delusional Jill Stein is a de facto vote for Trump.
I say these words to all who read this, not you necessarily in particular.
Sec. Clinton is my choice, and was my first choice. I never attacked Bernie Sanders thsi whole campaign to anyone. I talked up the positives of Hillary.
I am a centrist Democrat. I know this is not a typology that many on here care for. Outside the cocoon of DU I think I am in the majority, as proven by the primaries. I am also a gay woman of colour, and once again, both of these groups voted overwhelmingly for Sec. Clinton. I also am an entrepreneurial capitalist and SME business co-owner. Sec Clinton won this group as well. Hillary Clinton clicks most boxes for me.
She will be the next President. I hope you help make that happen.
Craig234
(335 posts)"Rehashing primaries of days past is not helping to do that. "
Then maybe you shouldn't be rehashing the primary:
"Sec Clinton, a LIBERAL, was by far the stronger candidate in the Democratic party primaries"
Completely unneeded, insulting rehashing of the primary you posted.
"I am a centrist Democrat. I know this is not a typology that many on here care for."
I strongly disagree with your politics. Unlike some here, I respect your right to them, as I do progressive politics, and others.
And I support a civil interaction on the issues.
If all you care about is beating trump, why are you posting to attack Bernie talking about how Hillary is 'better' in the previous post?
How does insulting Bernie now help her win?
Your position seems to be, you are welcome to rehash the primary, but no one else should.
Unlike you, I'm male and white, and I plan to support Hillary to beat trump. Unlike you, I prefer Bernie. You don't need to insult him.
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)in any way.
Craig234
(335 posts)Or maybe when you raised the primary and you called Hillary "the stronger candidate" it had nothing to do with Bernie or the primary?
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)speech. Now that he did what you wanted, instead of saying "Ok, that's better." you move on to attack his supporters. They do live in the real world. I support the Clinton/Kaine ticket, but I invested in Bernie's campaign during the primary. I donated a lot of money and I am anything but wealthy. To find out the Debbie Wasserman Schultz was trying to tamper with the process outrages me. And to hear people here defending her actions disgusts me.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just mentioned her name once and everyone booed and yelled out.
He didn't say anything positive about Hillary whatsoever or discuss any of her policy positions.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)My advice to him would be to lay out all of the ways Hillary's positions are similar to his. It seems like some of the folks need reminding, that, as Bernie has said, Hillary on her worst day is infinitely better than the Republicans.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)to shreds earlier" (I'm assuming you mean today) would be helpful to substantiate your accusation. Is it forthcoming?
His so-called supporters loudly protesting the Democratic convention are HillaryHaters, not real supporters of him. Now you want me to treat them with kid gloves? I'm sorry, but I've been reading and listening to their frothing tripe for nearly eight months, so excuse me that my vat of patience and goodwill for them has run dry.
I supported Hillary Clinton all throughout and donated and canvassed for her, and was personally insulted by so-called Sanders supporters online (they wouldn't dare do that to my face, I can tell you that much). I've met plenty of Sanders supporters in my day-to-day who were reasonable, understanding, and yet passionate about Sanders because they truly believed he was the better candidate, not because they hate Hillary so damned much. These people have now decided to support Hillary Clinton.
DWS has a right to her opinion just like the loudest Sanders supporter does. Fact remains, she did NOTHING to skew DNC in favor of Hillary Clinton, so I don't understand this poutrage. I have little patience with those who keep perpetuating the lie that she had. They are only doing so to smear and call into question Hillary's credibility as our nominee, forgetting, of course, that she won the primaries fair and square by all metrics despite the M$M attacking her while taking a hands-off approach on Sanders. That's what disgusts me even to this day.
Craig234
(335 posts)We're in the same boat now - supporting Hillary in November with our biggest opponents Hillary SUPPORTERS who alienate voters.
KPN
(15,645 posts)especially the millions who contributed what they could to Bernie's candidacy. The Party doesn't seem to get the commitment it takes for the average person to donate to political campaigns -- and violated each and every one of us by being partial. I certainly won't easily forget.
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BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)your opinion, but a conservative by any metric, he is NOT. And he's far more progressive than Colin Powell ever was, so I don't understand that disconnect.
Craig234
(335 posts)Blue, like you, I'm no fan of Colin Powell. He merely looked more reasonable because he was next to the radicals of the Bush administration.
I saw Powell speak before and was not impressed - but many were.
We need to understand some Democrats are more centrist and greatly attracted to someone like Powell - let's call them "Reagan Democrats" who are not that hard for a more centrist Republican to pull away.
Powell is clearly further right-wing among other flaws more than Kaine, but that's only important to some Democrats like us.
This is why I'd said I thought John Kasich might be Hillary's most dangerous opponent - the ability to get everyone on the right plus a lot more of those more centrist voters who would pick Hillary over trump.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)wouldn't have changed the minds of a single of these protesters.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Your assumptions are childish
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)when Bernie tore into Trump.
I must admit that is disconcerting.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)Dirty tricks by Don the Con and/or the Repug party? We all know that could NEVER happen. 
Craig234
(335 posts)I'd say that's a good thing, as opposed to their liking trump and booing Bernie for criticizing him.
madamesilverspurs
(15,801 posts)when he should have told them, "It's time to grow up."
Wish he had.
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OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)deliver his people/peeps when it's needed ?
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)Craig234
(335 posts)Isn't the same sort of rude person who alienates voters the way some Hillary supporters do.
Not 'flaming' anyone here, just posting an opinion that I think that is a problem I see in so many comments.
Blackjackdavey
(178 posts)I think he did.
KPN
(15,645 posts)Scorpionflyx
(32 posts)This is the real world.
Justice
(7,188 posts)If the people in that room don't agree with that statement, they should leave the convention.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Craig234
(335 posts)But if they'll not vote for Hillary and will support other Democrats, we need them over their not voting for Democrats at all.
While I plan to vote for Hillary, part of that 'real world' is that she's the most disliked Democratic nominee since it's been measured.
KPN
(15,645 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,801 posts)when he boasts of how his peeps changed the platform -- how about Cornell West who then bolted to the Green Party? So much for the push for Unity, huh?
Craig234
(335 posts)So, praise his good work on the platform and criticize his bolting to the Green Party.
West has never been a 'Unity first' person and no one should be. Will YOU support the Democratic nominee no matter what? What if the Republicans nominated Hillary and the Democrats nominated trump?
If you would, you're wrong. Party is less important than principles.
The issue with West is not that he doesn't put unity above principles. It's that you and I disagree with him about where he draws the line on the importance of Hillary over trump, against the importance of not supporting Hillary on issues of disagreement.
I and Bernie agree with the things West pushed for in the platform. I and Bernie disagree with West's choice to endorse Stein over Hillary. Frankly, if we had ranked voting, I'd investigate Stein more, but we don't. But if you'd like to see West's comments:
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/18/why_a_member_of_the_democratic
Politicub
(12,165 posts)They clearly have enough privilege to tide themselves over the next 30 years or so. They'll need it since a president Trump's Supreme Court appointees will stick around at least that long. And not to mention the fallout (perhaps nuclear) that his policies will have.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It was a recognition that Reagan SUCKED and everything he did should be reversed.
Karen_J
(22 posts)The stubborn supporters need to accept the fact that you rarely get everything you want in life. Most of the time, you have to settle for something less, and make the best of it. This is especially true in politics.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Imo shameful
7962
(11,841 posts)I think its more likely some of his staunchest supporters who see that what they suspected all along was actually true, and they're pissed.
Democat
(11,617 posts)Which they are.
7962
(11,841 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)sickening and dangerous
Lulu KC
(2,565 posts)Not because I don't like him, but because so many of his followers are so short-sighted. Now I'm falling into one of those conspiracy dark spiral thoughts about Trump paying them etc. Make it stop! Bernie, thanks for saying the right thing, even if they don't get it!
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)These people will never vote for Trump and the very fact that they are there shows a deep commitment to the Democratic Party.
I see nothing wrong with letting the leadership know that there is a large faction of the Party dissatisfied with the status quo. personally I worked hard for Sanders and helped bring in my precinct at 84%. I don't do conventions anymore because I'm old and the young need to get involved. it might be bad manners, but I don't think it will hurt in defeating the Republican Party. Remember, we are not part of an organized party, we are Democrats and believe in free speech.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)It's time to defeat Trump. Hillary is the nominee. What's most important now is defeating Trump and electing Hillary. I'm tired of Clintonites trying to bait Bernie supporters, lumping them all into one category and trying to remove them instead of retaining them. And I'm tired of any Bernie supporters living in a fantasy that he can still secure the nomination or that it's more important to relitigate the past than to move forward. Move forward now!!! Time is running out.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Are younger idealistic people and/or people who became involved in politics for the first time.
Many do not remember Bush VS Gore and the concept of holding your nose and voting for the lesser of two evils vs letting somebody truly dangerous like Bush or Trump in.
I don't think calling them stupid or attacking Bernie is going to do anything. The funny part is some of the people attacking them were the same way back in the 60's and 70's. Also none of the young people who have told me that they will not vote for Clinton that I know even read internet forums.
For me, Clinton is a flawed candidate and her organization has done things both fair and unfair to win the nomination.
She has not laid out a true vision that people could get behind and her many flip flops give the appearance of someone with no principles. Events during her tenure as SOS which I lay more at Bush's feet still are a serious soft spot.
So I can understand with all that, why somebody young and idealistic would have trouble with voting for her. Also Sanders was the head of a movement that started from the grassroots and from stuff people like Robert Reich and Elizabeth Warren put out there.
I think that is the mistake maybe some people here in this thread are making. That it was some sort of cult of personality around Sanders. It wasn't. He was just the one who had the balls to get up there and say it and run for office. So it's no wonder the people booed him. They are more ideologically driven than personality driven.
The good news is there are not a huge amount of these people. I don't think it will hurt Clinton's chances although his support for her may damage his credibility with some of them.
However if Trump wins many of these people will understand what those who voted for Nader understood. What was it Al Gore said at his convention speech one year? "Those of you who thought there was no difference between me and George Bush? Do you still feel that way??"
To those more sensible and less idealistic when we have reservations about Clinton we just look to John Roberts and Alito and think about the possibly 2 nominations that may come up.
We think about 15 dollar min wage, paid leave and other issues and think how even if only a few things Clinton is proposing come thru what a huge difference it would make.
Then the choice is clear and it is 100% understandable why Sanders, who has been around a while is doing what he's doing.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)about what a tyrant such as Donnie would bring.
Marthe48
(16,957 posts)The first Presidential election I remember is JFK. I've learned over the years that politicians say things. They are presenting their values and vision in the most positive best light, to persuade people to their view. I was so glad that Bernie Sanders campaigned almost to the end. He has a commitment to his values, which should be America's values, and he made sure that his important issues stayed up front in the news. The debate between Clinton and Sanders kept the Democratic primaries lively and newsworthy, turning some MSM away from liberal bashing, at least a few times.
I do support Hillary Clinton, because of her extensive experience in leadership positions. If I talk about politics, I often say that we really need to have experienced people leading our country, especially in these times. I am against term limits on House and Senate seats, because it makes no sense to me to put someone in office, train them and then boot them out after 6 years. Business owners will tell you that the training period is the most expensive because the company is paying someone who has not yet become productive. So I am very much behind Democratic candidates who have experience.
When you commit your support to a candidate, you are putting your heart and soul into that candidate. And it stings when your candidate doesn't win. But we are all Democrats on this site. The primaries are over and we need to work on getting our Democratic candidates elected, up-ticket, down-ticket, across the board.
In the late 80's and 90's Republicans began filling local and state seats with their candidates and right now, they are holding a lot of the cards. We just can't let them keep getting elected and voting their beliefs into our policies. They are relentless in their quest to dominate American politics on every level and set back every single bit of social and economic progress that we've seen since the 1900's. We need to set aside our differences from the primary and work together to get Democratic candidates elected.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)People got on board and didn't look closely at where the bus was going. The ride ended at the Party Convention.
If you want to make your country better you go out to win, not by asking an existing party for permission and not by running _against_ a two-bit candidate.
You don't change things from the inside. That's too easy, and a sucker bet.
In the early 1900s, the traitor Gompers and the AF of L was helping the government and business destroy the IWW. By offering them low paying jobs they stopped their fighting, which meant the business people won. Along with some other dirty tricks they eventually destroyed that organization, and most of those people wound up being captured by the status quo,
Changing things from the inside is remodeling, not revolution. That's not bad unless you are fooling yourself as to your goal, because the outcome is always less than you thought.
It's so much easier to believe one is doing something different than they actually are. When Bernie walks off, everyone knows the wind will go out of most voters and they will play the game, even if a few escape the corral. It's what you've been trained to do.
His supporters have had their enthusiasm channeled to the Dems, instead of a non-existent progressive, which is what was predicted by many.
Now it becomes about getting Hillary what she deserves or beating the real estate swindler, not helping your neighbors or making the country better - except with some verbal spin. We will see what that means in November and beyond.
The country continues searching for its lowest common denominator, becoming more vulnerable by the day.
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Even as the stone of the fruit must break, that its heart may stand in the sun, so must you know pain.
And could you keep your heart in wonder at the daily miracles of your life, your pain would not seem less wondrous than your joy;
And you would accept the seasons of your heart, even as you have always accepted the seasons that pass over your fields.
And you would watch with serenity through the winters of your grief.
Much of your pain is self-chosen.
It is the bitter potion by which the physician within you heals your sick self.
Therefore trust the physician, and drink his remedy in silence and tranquillity:
For his hand, though heavy and hard, is guided by the tender hand of the Unseen,
And the cup he brings, though it burn your lips, has been fashioned of the clay which the Potter has moistened with His own sacred tears.
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