Man reportedly stabs mother, 3 daughters over their attire

[FrodosPet]

Source: CBS News

PARIS -- Authorities in southern France have detained a man they say stabbed a woman and her three daughters at an Alps resort, apparently upset at what they were wearing.

Jean-Marc Duprat, a deputy mayor for the town of Laragne-Monteglin in the Hautes-Alpes region, says the mother and her girls, aged 8, 12 and 14, were vacationing at a nearby resort when the man attacked them Tuesday morning. He said the man, who is not related to them, was upset they were wearing shorts and T-shirts.

~ snip ~

The newspaper said the youngest girl was left fighting for her life in a local hospital with a punctured lung.

Local media also reported that the man accused the women of being inappropriately dressed before or during the attack.

~ snip ~


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-alps-resort-laragne-monteglin-stabbing-mother-daughters-clothes/

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[Ace Rothstein]

1. As soon as I saw the headline, I knew the stabber would be a Muslim.

[niyad]

3. moroccan, not necessarily muslim.

[MowCowWhoHow III]

8. Keep on believing!

[niyad]

12. I believe in facts, not automatic assumptions

The suspect, identified only as a Moroccan named “Mohamed B,” attempted to flee in a vehicle, but was quickly captured by police. French media claimed the man was Muslim, but THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED (daily mail) (emphasis mine)

[Moostache]

83. Well, there are a lot of Moroccan Jews named Mohammed after all...

Or North African Atheists using a similar nom de plume?

SMH...men named Mohammed that run around stabbing women for their attire do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. Nor does Islam at this point. These people should be free to believe whatever they want, I still believe that; but they should either contain their beliefs to themself and their willing family members or they should be detained and forced to desist.

Another person's sky daddy is HIS problem, but the second he tries to make it ANYONE ELSE'S problem, the state must intervene and stop him. Islamic, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Sikh, or whatever else people come up with next.

[ancianita]

100. Oh please. All caps over what's pretty much common knowledge?

[Travis_0004]

104. .

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. Automatic assumption like you did is prejudice: pre-judging. Not cool on DU. . . nt

[MowCowWhoHow III]

27. Keep on being cool!

[GulfCoast66]

54. Not being snarky

But I do not see it as uncool to know these 3 things

-From Morocco
-named Muhamed
-stabbed them for dressing inappropriately

And then assume the perpetrator is Muslim.

And honestly, did the thought not cross your mind that he is a Muslim? Or do you assume he is not? Because surely you had an opinion on the issue. If not your mind works differently than mine. Association is what our minds do best and it happens automatically.

Perhaps news will come out that he is some crazy Christian sect or an obscure group of atheist who insist on modesty. But that will not change the fact that in Europe things like this are happening on an almost daily basis and with almost no exception it has been Muslims. The big exception being Norway

Have a good day.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

55. Assumption is the mother of all fuckups. . . . . . . . . . . . nt

[GulfCoast66]

57. Do not necessarily disagree

But we are wired to make assumptions based on evidence. When I heard the 3 facts we do know, I automatically thought the guy is probably Muslim. Did you not as well? I would have to be able to turn off my brain not to.

Now, were I to take some kind of action based on that assumption without confirmation then I am inviting a fuckup.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

58. Emotionally wired to make assumptions; intellectually wired to make reason rule the emotions. . nt

[GulfCoast66]

60. Agree again

And that is why we try to become self aware so we realize that acting on our assumptions is inviting a fuckup.

But I have not been able to train my brain not to make assumptions. Often incorrect ones. And have learned that acting on them is often quite embarrassing!

Nice discussion. Have a great day.

[CBGLuthier]

68. Are you willing to gamble any serious amount of money he isn't a muslim?

I like taking people's money so let me know.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

71. 1. I don't make absolutist pre-judged statements. 2. I don't gamble.

I don't even buy lottery tickets. Many years ago I took a $50 stake to a Vegas poker table and three hours later took away $57. I was paid $7 to entertain myself for three hours. I haven't "gambled" before or since.

If you read my posts in this thread you will understand (if you read reasonably carefully) that I never said he was not muslim.

I do make educated guesses (as I stated elsewhere in this thread), but I am honest with myself that they are guesses regardless of how good a guess they might turn out to be.

As much as is humanly possible I am on guard at all times to check my thinking to eliminate binary thinking.

I strive very hard to not take an educated guess and post it as if it were established fact. Nor do I denigrate people who insists on facts before making certain statements.

Unfortunately, posters in this thread have posted educated guesses as if they were as good as fact. Further they have gone on to attack people who insist on facts before making statements that would be prejudiced (pre-judged) without the facts.

[Iggo]

41. Wow! How did I miss you?

[oberliner]

9. People named Mohammed are generally Muslim

In fact, that is almost always the case.

[niyad]

13. wow. . just. wow. . .

[oberliner]

18. You don't know very much about Muslims, do you?

Mohammed is the most revered prophet in Islam. Throughout the Muslim world, it is popular to name a male child after him.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. People named Mohamed were named by their parents. Their adult beliefs don't automatically follow. nt

[oberliner]

32. Right

His name is Mohammed and he is of Moroccan descent.

Putting those two pieces of information together, I think you can make a very educated guess.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. Of course I make an educated guess! But I don't blow it up into prejudgment like you & other poster.

Pre-judging, being as absolute as you and the other poster are, is prejudice.

Almost all posters are well aware of general trends and tendencies but most posters on DU and in progressive circles do not indulge in binary absolutist thinking.

[kwassa]

44. People named Hussein are usually Muslim, too ...

Barack is not.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

56. Zing! Well spotted. . . . nt

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

97. When was the last time he stabbed someone for

"inappropriate dress?"

Sometimes, 2 + 2 really is 4.

[kwassa]

107. But he had the stabbing name! He must have done it!

[MosheFeingold]

96. Sure

But probably not.

[Ace Rothstein]

11. Keep that head buried in the sand.

[niyad]

14. I await the facts, thank you very much.

[oberliner]

34. No, you don't

You post the facts that you prefer (even if sourced from the NY Post) and you ignore the facts that you don't.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

38. Educated guesses, consistent with avoiding absolutist prejudging, is definitely fact based. Further

Further, you do not read minds such as the mind of the poster you are accusing of lying.

[LanternWaste]

31. Because non-Muslim males never act out in a violent manner in response to how women are dressed.

Because non-Muslim males never act out in a violent manner in response to how women are dressed.

Buried in the faith-based sand, indeed.

[get the red out]

81. THANK YOU!

It's like we are being told not to think for ourselves where a certain religion is concerned, or at least STFU!

I am a really poor liberal since I give a shit about women's rights.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

86. Thinking for one's self is not the problem. Jumping to conclusions before facts are in & posting

Thinking for one's self is not the problem. Jumping to conclusions before facts are in & posting prejudiced statements as if they were established facts before the reporting is finished -- that's the problem.

Go ahead, make educated guesses. I certainly do.

But be honest that they are only probabilities, not certainties.

[get the red out]

89. When facts are in

If (I said if) they prove the educated guesses correct, then there will be reasons given to only look at this story in one approved way, I am sure.

[ancianita]

101. ...

can't help myself

[Xithras]

76. Demographically, Morocco is 98.7% Muslim.

That other 1.3% is divided up between Christians, Jews, and Bahai. The Bahai numbers are so small they'd demographically irrelevant, and Jewish people are generally identified as Jewish, and not as "Moroccan". Take those groups out, and Morocco is 99% Muslim.

When someone is identified as Moroccan, it's safe to assume they're also Muslim. That's not a discriminatory stereotype, it's a statistical fact.

[MosheFeingold]

95. Just stop

The man's name is "Mohammed."

He's from Morocco.

And he tried to kill a woman and her children (after said woman helped nurse him to health, no less).

The French paper says the the attack was "religiously motivated."

And we're smack in the middle of the Ramadan-bomb-athon.

I am all about not jumping to conclusions, and not profiling, but if some asshole burned a cross in my front yard, I'd be looking for Protestant White Males.

Same situation here.

[smirkymonkey]

102. There is some amazing denial going on in this place, isn't there?

Sheesh!

[JNelson6563]

4. I only guessed "religious zealot"

Because all stripes of that brand of crazy are the same.

[AlbertCat]

88. I only guessed "religious zealot"

Me too.
And then second came the Muslim part of my guess.

I am aware it is a guess.... but not an outrageous prejudiced one at all.

[uppityperson]

6. Why would you assume that? Extremist fundamentalist, yes.

[Ace Rothstein]

10. Because they were not clothed enough for his liking so he stabbed them.

What other religion requires women to be clothed head to toe?

[niyad]

15. please read the nypost article-might prove helpful

[Ace Rothstein]

20. The authorities in Europe have done their best to downplay motives for attacks in the recent past.

I take their comments with a large grain of salt.

[LanternWaste]

33. I'm also skeptical of that which doesn't validate my biases.

I'm also skeptical of that which doesn't validate my biases.

[Ace Rothstein]

39. Did you completely miss the Germans downplaying and attempt to hide the NYE attacks that took place?

Although I'm sure some here supported the actions of trying to hide that the attacks.

[oberliner]

22. The NY Post is a right-wing tabloid

The article you posted from there cites one remark from another newspaper.

[maxsolomon]

16. I guess Orthodox Jews harass women over clothing in Israel?

but probably they don't stab them.

[leftynyc]

64. Harassment in the very religious

neighborhoods only (Mea Sharem). Plenty of women in bikinis and other skimpy clothes abound on the beaches and the vast majority of other Jewish cities.

[maxsolomon]

67. well, sure. on bus routes that serve those neighborhoods, too.

but since we're digging around for equivalencies...

[leftynyc]

77. Only some feel the need

to play magical balance fairy. I think it makes them look foolish and uninformed but whatever.

[christx30]

21. Maybe he was Amish?

They usually like modesty. And with the name Mohammad, and the desire to murder a child over what she's wearing, I'm almost sure of it. Wait... the Amish don't do that. I have an idea of a group that might do that. But I don't want to jump to any conclusions.
So to appease certain people, we'll just use the placeholder 'Amish' until we get a confirmation of islam.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

35. What other religions? Boy are you ignorant of other religions.

First of all, it was not "head to toe" that was the issue.

Secondly you ignore or are ignorant of Mennonites, Amish, Pentacostals, Calvinists, Orthodox Jews, and many others, as well as very conservative non-religionists.

[Ace Rothstein]

37. I'm sure it was a Mennnonite.

Their violent extremism is known worldwide.

[Angel Martin]

50. LOL ! nt

[yeoman6987]

53. Too funny.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

61. Too ignorant. Islam does not require violent extremism. Fundamentalism of all stripes does.

Witness buddhists killing muslims in Burma.

Witness christian identity fundamentalists bombing daycare centers.

Witness hindus killing sikhs.

It is only a few fundamentalist sects among the muslims, like wahabis, who require violent extremism.

Many muslims do not require extra chaste clothing and many muslim women do not wear extra chaste clothing.

[font size="+1"]To equate Islam with violence is bigotry and prejudice.[/font]

[yeoman6987]

72. You obviously posted to the wrong person

I said not a word. I laughed at a comment. Perhaps talk to that person.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

74. OK, sorry, you were not clear as to whether you agreed or disagreed with them.

But it seemed that by finding their attempted joke funny you were agreeing with the thrust of her/his posts in this thread.

My mistake.

A review of posts in this thread will make it clear to you that I have been talking to that person.

[yeoman6987]

75. I do it all the time believe me.

Have a great day and week!

[jonno99]

40. Color me ignorant of the occasions where the members of your list stabbed

women they deemed to be dressed inappropriately.

Seriously - does it happen often?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. I did not make that assertion. Please read for comprehension.

I write carefully and ask that readers read carefully.

My list refuted the assertion made by the poster that muslims were the only religion that clothed women head to toe, an assertion that the attacker did not make "head to toe" the issue, merely the "lightness of the clothing".

There are many religions and non-religious people who wear very chaste clothing or demand by cultural pressure that their women were chaste clothing that exposes only faces and hands.

[jonno99]

48. Fair enough. But it can't be overstated that the religions in your list - to my knowledge

- don't demand that women outside their groups comply with their dress codes (and then assault or stab them if/when they don't comply).

[leftynyc]

65. Do you have links to stories

about those religions having a rash of killings because others aren't dressed the way they would like?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

69. Read my post again for comprehension without reading into it what I carefully did not write. . . .nt

[leftynyc]

78. You're all over this thread

playing magical balance fairy - even to the tune of accusing others of bigotry for CORRECTLY guessing this murderer was a Muslim.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

84. A correct guess is not bigotry, even when posted as an educated guess. Posters did not post that. nt

[happyslug]

29. I would have agreed, till I read the youngest victim was eight...

Under Islam, it is only women who are age 12 or above who must dress "Modesty". The wearing of "Islamic Dress" is ONLY Required in Arab Culture for women who can bear children. This can be traced back to the custom of stealing women from a rival tribe. It is harder to capture a young woman of child bearing age if all of the woman, no matter their age, are dress the same. Mohammad lived in the Arabic Culture of his time period and thus reaffirmed this already long establish rule among Arabs to be also a rule of Islam.

Girls who are NOT yet capable of bearing Children never CAME UNDER THAT RULE. Thus the female must be over age 12 for this rule to apply. Thus the stabbing of the Eight Year old violates any interpretation on woman's clothing according to Islam.

Thus this appears to be someone who has mental issues and decided to use some reason to attack these four Females. Any reason would have been sufficient. Religion appears to be just the handiest to adopt.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

46. Excellent clear-thinking fact-based non-prejudiced post. We need more such well-written posts. . nt

[Throd]

59. Maybe he didn't bother to ask her?

The lengths people around here will go to dance around the religion-which-must-not-be-named would be laughable if it weren't so dangerous.

[happyslug]

80. I love people who attack any philosophy without studying it.

Reminds me of the US Right wing and their attack on Karl Marx and Communism. Rather then point out the problems of the philosophy (and Religions are philosophies, how to look at the world), they just attack the doctrine. They love re-stating "Errors" of whatever doctrine they hate but do NOT study WHY that error occur or if it is even an error. The main reason for this line of attack as oppose to understanding is that once someone understands a doctrine they may find themselves embracing the overall doctrine.

You see this in attacks on the "Religion" of Communism (and several people have called Communism a religion, it has a set view of the world and how we should operate in the world). People point out the bad side of Communism but ignore the fact that Mussolini called Stalin the Greatest Fascist of the 1930s. Most Marxist scholars outside of the Soviet Union, Red China and the Warsaw Pact followed "Stalinism" even after Stalin himself was denounced by Khrushchev. Workers running industry was NEVER part of Stalinism, yet it was how Lenin and Marx saw Communism (Stalin wanted control over those Factories, Lenin wanted production during the Civil War of 1919-1921, thus both suppressed workers taking over factories and instead put in managers who responded to what Lenin and later Stalin wanted as opposed to what the Workers wanted. This was called "State Capitalism" by Marxists in the west. This system was doomed to failure for it did not let dying businesses to die, nor permitted new businesses to come into existence. Western Marxists started to point this out in the 1930s, but ignored by the west for it did not fit the capitalist view that Communism was bad, for Stalinists tended to embrace what large capitalist businesses did. The bad side of Stalinism was its restrictions on new businesses, restrictions large capitalists liked but could NOT impose on the Post WWII west.

These attack on Communism was NEVER heard of in the west, what you heard was the Gulags and secret police and restrictions on "Freedom" not the inherent problems within the Soviet Union. The reason was simple, to attack Stalinism you had to read and study it and see what its problems was. The West did NOT want to do so, for the errors were known and could be corrected and if you studied the Soviet Union you could come to see what it needed to do and how to do it. i.e. Embrace Communism and correct its errors.

The same for any "Religion", to study it means to come to a point you understand it and many fears that if you understand it you will embrace it. Thus it is easier to attack a doctrine without understanding it, then it is to study it so you can attack its doctrine with FACTS not just verbal attacks. If you want to attack something study it, then you can attack it with its own doctrine and facts NOT just blanket attacks.

[Throd]

87. Can I study it, and then conclude it sucks?

I have little use for the religions of Islam and communism no matter how they are sliced and diced.

[David__77]

105. I think pre-pubescent girls sometimes were hijab.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/nov/23/muslim-girls-wearing-hijab

[happyslug]

111. But are NOT required to do so

See my comments below

[riderinthestorm]

109. Nope. The hijab is mandatory at every Islamic school Pre-K up

The brainwashing @ femaleness starts very young.

Look at any US Islamic or European school requirements and it's mandatory.

We've had Muslim DUers here before who required their pre-buscent daughters to cover.

[happyslug]

110. You better correct Wikipedia, they say otherwise as do other sources on Islam:

In nearly all Muslim cultures, young girls are not required to wear a ħijāb. There is not a single agreed age when a woman should begin wearing a ħijāb—but in many Muslim cultures, puberty is the dividing line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab#Alternative_views

And on Islamic Sites:

For many, hijab is obligatory on every Muslim woman, and the definition of “woman” tends to be when a girl begins menstruating.

http://www.womanistmusings.com/should-children-wear-hijab/

Question: At what age are Muslim girls expected to start wearing the hijab?

Answer: In Islam, all individuals become responsible and accountable for their behavior at the age of puberty. The Islamic teachings about modest dress apply to any person, male or female, at that time.

http://islam.about.com/od/dress/f/hijab_girls.htm

Islamic teachings on this subject are based on the Qur'an, and on the specific sayings/traditions of the Prophet Muhammad, known as the hadith. In one often-cited tradition, it is reported that a young woman visited Muhammad's wife Aisha while she was wearing see-through clothing. Muhammad averted his eyes and told her, "After a young woman reaches the age of puberty, nothing should be seen of her except this and this," motioning to his face and hands. Therefore, it is expected at this age for Muslim girls to adapt more modest styles of dress that do not expose too much

http://www.islamicfaq.info/Islamic_FAQ_Atheists_hijab.html

The main reason for this "Exception" is in almost all societies pre sewing machine (i.e. pre 1830) is was common for pre teen children to go around NAKED. Mark Twain points this out in "Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court".

"The small boys and girls were always naked; but nobody seemed to know it"

http://pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/digi038.pdf

As a person entered what we would call their elementary school years, they started to wear more and more clothes, but given the fact that they often worn them out, the tendency was for simple dresses even for young boys. On the US Frontier till the 1830s the most common garment for men to wear was a "Hunting Shirt" and leggings. The Hunting shirt extended to the top of the leggings, the leggings attached to the inside of the Hunting shirt, You did not see anything, but only the hunting shirt cover the ass.

Only with puberty did the rate of growth slow down for people to wear clothes long enough to wear them out, thus most people pre puberty wore little if any clothing pre sewing machine (and what was worn tended to be sack dresses).

Remember WOMEN had to HAND SEW these articles of clothing pre sewing machine, thus for most children the clothing that required the least amount of sewing was what they worn till they could sew they own clothing and that tended to be puberty.

The sewing machine is one of the greatest inventions in history, but it is down play for it mostly relived woman of house work, unlike more famous inventions that eased the toil of men. The Sewing machine permitted us to cloth those pre school children and to better cloth those children to young to sew their own clothes.

[Iggo]

42. Huh! I must be slippin'.

[romanic]

91. Same.

Even if the man wasnt Muslim, in Northern African/ME countries, the women are usually treated like property no matter what faith. Very sad.

[tenderfoot]

99. All of them need to be rounded up and GASSED

[niyad]

2. this is only going to get worse. and, good heavens, was that article poorly written:

the youngest is apparently fighting for her life--what about the mother and the other two girls? dead, seriously injured, what????

[FrodosPet]

17. They lived, it would seem they are in better condition than the 8 year old, but unknown

https://www.rt.com/news/352066-france-stab-woman-daughters/

~ snip ~

The life of one of the daughters, an eight-year-old girl, is reportedly in danger and she is receiving treatment at a hospital in the town of Gap. Her mother and sisters, 12 and 14 years old, have also been admitted to the same hospital.

~ snip ~

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/mother-and-young-daughters-stabbed-at-french-alps-resort-for-being-scantily-dressed-a3299451.html

~ snip ~

The eight-year-old was attacked with her family on Tuesday morning in Laragne-Monteglin, a popular Alps resort in south-east France.

She was airlifted to a hospital in Grenoble with a suspected punctured lung while the condition of her family remains unknown.

~ snip ~

Misogyny and control lust destroys.

[niyad]

19. yes, I saw the information in the nypost article I posted. too bad the cbs one was

so poorly written.

[uppityperson]

5. Seems a local issue.

[oberliner]

24. In what respect?

Can you elaborate on what you mean by a "local issue" ?

[niyad]

7. more information:

. . . .

The mother, who sustained a stab wound to her sternum, and her two others daughters, aged 12 and 14, were brought to the same hospital. Their conditions were not immediately known.

Initial media reports falsely stated that the suspect had attacked the victims because they were “too lightly dressed.”

“I wanted to quash the rumor currently doing the rounds because on no account did this man make such comments about the fact that the attack may have been motivated by the victims’ dress code,” Gap prosecutor Raphael Balland said at a press conference, according to the Independent newspaper.

Balland told La Parisien newspaper, ‘The motive of the attack is very unclear. ‘No religious connotation word has been pronounced.’

. . . .

http://nypost.com/2016/07/19/man-stabs-mother-daughters-for-not-wearing-enough-clothes/

[oberliner]

23. The NY Post is a right-wing American tabloid

Odd that you would prefer this source.

[True Dough]

30. Not sure why there's a reluctance to admit

that some Muslims act violently in the name of their religion. This is not indicative of how all Muslims behave, not even close to a majority.

The acts of the extremists and fundamentalists don't justify painting all Muslims with the same brush, which happens far too often.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

43. You are dead wrong in your reading of posts. No reluctance.

We ALL "admit that some Muslims act violently in the name of their religion."

But FEW of us jump to the prejudgement of an absolutist conviction that the attacker IS muslim.

Avoid binary thinking.

[True Dough]

49. The evidence is mounting

It's been over 8 hours since ISIS claimed to be behind the assailant on that train and since an ISIS flag was found in the assailant's room. Yet there are still posts in this thread where forum members are still not convinced. Not sure what sort of proof those people need. A manifesto?

Their reluctance to concede this assailant was an agent of extremist Islam is apparent.

[840high]

92. .+1

[leftynyc]

70. If you don't want to admit

the odds are in the favor of those who guessed (correctly) the murderer was a Muslim, that's entirely your problem.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

73. I'm happy to admit that. Problem is absolutist pre-judging before facts revealed, not educated guess

Read my posts with reasonable care and you will see that I never said he was not a Muslim.

I'm happy to admit that given the facts known at the time (statement about "light clothing", name, violent attack) the odds were in favor that he was a muslim. Not a problem. Read my posts to see where I discuss "educated guesses".

The problem was that posters posted educated guesses as if they were facts, which is bigoted and prejudiced and evidence of binary thinking.

Jumping to conclusions is where thinking stops.

Binary thinking and premature concluding are at the root of bigotry and prejudice.

[leftynyc]

79. I don't see anything bigoted

or prejudicial about guessing when the odds are so obviously in their favor.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

85. Nothing bigotted about guessing, especially with good odds.

Posting negative statements as though they were established facts is bigoted when generalizations about groups of people are involved.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

52. The problem is the other Muslims live in fear of the violent ones

I have never met a Muslim who was as comically timid as the cultural left on this issue.

Ask the Saudi I know who left Saudi Arabia because he was worried his wife's family was going to abduct or kill their daughters, what was their honor crime? speaking English.

From the time he and his wife married they planned on moving to the UK (they ended up in the US instead), with that in mind they thought it wise to speak English to their daughters at home. When the more conservative elements of his wife's family heard the girls speaking English to each other things went down hill rapidly.

[mark67]

90. ...also my experience

Unfortunately your insightful comment is going to be buried in this thread but also my experience...the Muslim left/moderates are terrified of the Muslim right.

This was my experience in Afghanistan, Kuwait, Egypt, and when working with various ME Officers between the "two wars": 1999-2002.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

98. I grew up with a lot of Iranian refugees

Lets just say their position on Islamic fundamentalism was not one of pacifist understanding mixed in with diatribes about western imperialism. They couldn't figure out why the West wasn't bombing Iran flat.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

47. Oh whenever will the Western World confront the Church of Scientology?

[Angel Martin]

51. the frequency of these attacks is increasing at an increasing rate nt

[cvoogt]

62. Anyone notice

how the article refers to the mother and her children as "the women"? The oldest daughter is just 14.

[Skittles]

63. it's not the attire that's the problem

[Blue_Tires]

94. +1

[CBGLuthier]

66. Some folks need to take their "values" and shove them up their asses.

Getting a little tired of these fucking primitives asswipes ruining civilization.

[Warpy]

82. I know for a fact this has been going on for more than 30 years in France

because a light skinned AA acquaintance of mine was attacked in a Paris park for not wearing a veil in the early 80s.

France banning the veil is a really big deal and absolutely necessary, although difficult for us in the US where it isn't a big deal to understand.

At some point, I wish we'd get to the point that no man ever feels he has the right to comment on anything a woman wears. We're not even there yet in the US.

[Duppers]

112. That includes RW women.

[Oneironaut]

93. The attacker is clearly Amish

This has nothing to do with Ra**cal Is***.

[Lance Bass esquire]

103. Know thy enemy

Radical Moroccan Terror.

They hate our liberteez and freedumb

Just ask Sarah .

[FrodosPet]

106. Know our enemies

People (mostly, but not exclusively male) from whatever part of the world believing whatever mythology they believe who believe their beliefs gives them the right to control and punish others for their "transgressions".

[Beacool]

108. If these troglodytes don't like living in Europe, then they can get the hell out!!!!

They should find a place where they can live as they wish. Bunch of narrow minded bastards who follow misogynists rules imposed in other centuries by men, not Allah. May the mother and daughters make a full recovery.