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hack89

(39,171 posts)
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:24 PM Jul 2016

Man who tried to rob Waffle House with an AK-47 is shot by customer

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by In_The_Wind (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Houston Chronicle

A man with an AK-47 who robbed customers at a Waffle House in Texas is on life support after being shot by a customer with a licensed handgun.

According to the DeSoto Police Department, Antione Cooper, 26, entered the restaurant in the 1500 block of North Beckley Avenue at 2:30 a.m. Thursday. Patrons at the Waffle House told police Cooper robbed several customers before leaving the restaurant and entering the parking lot.

A handgun-licensed customer, whose wife was on her way to meet him at the restaurant, followed Cooper to the parking lot, fearing for his wife's safety, according to DeSoto police.

Police said the customer called to Cooper once they were outside. Cooper pointed the AK-47 in the customer's direction, prompting the customer to shoot Cooper several times, according to police in the southern Dallas suburb.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Man-who-tried-to-rob-Waffle-House-with-an-AK-47-8365342.php



Cool headed response.
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Man who tried to rob Waffle House with an AK-47 is shot by customer (Original Post) hack89 Jul 2016 OP
Good job to the citizen. Statistical Jul 2016 #1
Prisons are full of stupid people. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #4
Graveyards even fuller with stupid people. The shooter risked death & is likely going to prison. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #120
Hard to imagine him being charged. hack89 Jul 2016 #123
Easy to imagine him being charged. You keep acting like a law expert but you don't post Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #130
It's Texas, 406-Boz Jul 2016 #147
THIS. n/t uawchild Jul 2016 #149
It's Texas. The chances of him getting charged are roughly zero. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #157
probably didn't happen quite like the guy claimed, but makes good propaganda for open carry olddad56 Jul 2016 #77
Nothing indicates that the civilian was open carrying. Statistical Jul 2016 #81
Oh goody! More guns for everyone! AllyCat Jul 2016 #2
A nice ending for a change yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #23
And the gun nuts will point to it and say camelfan Jul 2016 #163
Well, that's one (nt) LuckyTheDog Jul 2016 #3
I agree, ... aggiesal Jul 2016 #29
Wonder if it's the same guy who was chased off by a 70 year old veteran csziggy Jul 2016 #5
NOT a cool-headed response. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #6
Thank you. That's the correct response. FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #9
My thought exactly lapfog_1 Jul 2016 #10
Thread Winner! COLGATE4 Jul 2016 #11
100% agreement. n/t SpankMe Jul 2016 #14
Excellent, common sense response to this attempt guillaumeb Jul 2016 #56
Now he is liable for shooting the guy, just imagine if the customers wife had shown up right then? Rex Jul 2016 #65
I agree rockfordfile Jul 2016 #76
Exactly. What's wrong with moonscape Jul 2016 #160
Oh great, are we now going back to the "Wild Wild West"? George II Jul 2016 #7
Hollywood's version any way.... ManiacJoe Jul 2016 #31
"Man who terrorizes and robs several with easily available AK-47 is luckily shot... villager Jul 2016 #8
Is "Cool headed response" a joke? nt greyl Jul 2016 #12
Or a lure. Can't decide which is a more apt description. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #13
Is lure describing your OP comment, or the shooter's tactic? nt greyl Jul 2016 #71
The OP. They love all this negative attention. Rex Jul 2016 #72
The comment hack89 Jul 2016 #100
Catch 22... sarisataka Jul 2016 #15
Indeed. If he were an off-duty cop Blandocyte Jul 2016 #20
That guy must really love waffle fries. Arkana Jul 2016 #16
They are to die for! nt hack89 Jul 2016 #17
Cool headed response? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #18
ok. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #19
I think cool headed is avoiding conflict. The shooter sought a conflict. Still a good shoot, Skeeter Barnes Jul 2016 #21
Lulz of course you like this article. Rex Jul 2016 #22
I am enjoying the responses even more. hack89 Jul 2016 #25
Right this is what you wanted... Rex Jul 2016 #27
Your personal disapproval is not really too upsetting hack89 Jul 2016 #30
Yes your one and only issue is guns, we all know. Rex Jul 2016 #32
He won't be charged and you know it hack89 Jul 2016 #36
Wrong he was no longer in danger, I understand if you cannot comprehend what I am saying to you. Rex Jul 2016 #39
You can legally follow and confront criminals. hack89 Jul 2016 #45
So says the guy that shot him. Rex Jul 2016 #49
Not everyone believes violent criminals hack89 Jul 2016 #55
LOL Rex Jul 2016 #57
Lets bookmark this thread and see what happens. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #60
Yes let us do that. nt Rex Jul 2016 #62
The violent criminal is the one who fires the shots causing injury and near-death. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #91
No. Pointing an AK-47 at someone is definitely a criminal act hack89 Jul 2016 #103
Yeah, the AK-47 guy is criminal. The idjit who provoked the gunfight & shot is a violent criminal.nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #114
That poor guy with the AK-47! Everyone is picking on him. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #121
Repetition of your silly line in this thread doesn't make it stronger. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #155
Some do not see the forest for the trees. Rex Jul 2016 #107
Do you believe criminals sarisataka Jul 2016 #118
Yeah he stole some money and ran out of the building, then the customer shot him. Mistake #1. Rex Jul 2016 #129
I am seeing what is the baseline sarisataka Jul 2016 #137
People get sued all the time by their attackers. Rex Jul 2016 #140
Not at all sarisataka Jul 2016 #142
I agree with most of what you just said. Rex Jul 2016 #146
is synchronised knee jerking an Olympic sport? AntiBank Jul 2016 #94
More like art, especially here. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #105
I would think the customer could be charged for stalking Cooper ... Auggie Jul 2016 #24
Not if he thought his wife was in danger. hack89 Jul 2016 #26
He can think whatever he wants. He did not have to call to the guy. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #92
I live near Desoto. He'll be charged if the mood strikes the police/prosecutor. Ash_F Jul 2016 #93
Best reply yet imo. Rex Jul 2016 #111
I don't believe for a millisecond he is going to be charged in TX. LisaL Jul 2016 #144
Yep, he shot first so now he can face charges for attempted murder. Rex Jul 2016 #28
He won't be charged. hack89 Jul 2016 #33
Wrong he was in no danger and the perp already left the store, you really don't Rex Jul 2016 #35
Except following someone is not illegal hack89 Jul 2016 #40
He said she said. Rex Jul 2016 #43
In the real world outside of DU, armed robbers don't get the benefit of the doubt. hack89 Jul 2016 #50
Wrong, the court will decide who is at fault. Rex Jul 2016 #53
It won't even get before a grand jury. hack89 Jul 2016 #58
LOL. Keep dreaming. Rex Jul 2016 #61
You disagreeing with me deflates my sails? hack89 Jul 2016 #66
You sure do. Why do you invest such emotion in this forum? Rex Jul 2016 #68
He pursued an armed person fleeing a robbery after any personal threat had passed. bluedigger Jul 2016 #59
Show me the letter of the law. hack89 Jul 2016 #63
Shhhh...they are on their Batman high! Rex Jul 2016 #64
texas law on self defense melm00se Jul 2016 #124
How is being the aggressor in this situation self defense? Rex Jul 2016 #135
In TX, he has a right to use deadly force to defend property. LisaL Jul 2016 #127
Anybody's property, or his own. Plus, you can carry a confederate flag by law, but should you. Hoyt Jul 2016 #152
Following is not illegal. He could have left it at that. Provoking a violent gunfight is illegal. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #95
Even if there are no criminal charges, the shooter left himself liable for civil charges. procon Jul 2016 #86
Self defense does not require you ManiacJoe Jul 2016 #34
The customer was no longer in danger and followed the perp outside and shot him. Rex Jul 2016 #37
The customer claims he feared for his arriving wife. Statistical Jul 2016 #42
He said she said. Rex Jul 2016 #46
He is only liable in your mind. Statistical Jul 2016 #52
Yeah we shall see. Rex Jul 2016 #54
Isn't a cop just an indirect deployment of a firearm. Statistical Jul 2016 #38
Again he was no longer in danger and escalated the situation. Rex Jul 2016 #41
Well your right conceal carry permit holders are far less likely to shoot an unarmed person. Statistical Jul 2016 #44
Provoking the guy was what will land him in hot water. Rex Jul 2016 #47
Maybe you missed the fact that this happened in TX. LisaL Jul 2016 #99
I live in Texas and maybe he will be and maybe not. Rex Jul 2016 #101
Cops have a MANDATE to follow & confront criminals. Wanna-be 'heroes' do NOT. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #96
He didn't need a mandate. LisaL Jul 2016 #119
Yes, only in the sense that nobody needs a mandate to commit a crime and shoot somebody. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #125
It was not illegal to follow and confront the robber. hack89 Jul 2016 #67
Show us the law that agrees with your assessment, you won't be able to find it. Rex Jul 2016 #70
Good grief ... can you believe the responses here? Auggie Jul 2016 #82
We do have a lot of wannabe cowboys here in Texas, they dream of being the hero Rex Jul 2016 #84
At least immoral, but gunners don't care about that. Hoyt Jul 2016 #154
I knew it was Texas. liberalmuse Jul 2016 #48
It is pretty crazy here, our governor is the worlds biggest fuck up and loves guns!! Rex Jul 2016 #51
Tragic Angel Martin Jul 2016 #69
Yes, Violent vigilantes provoking gunfights are more than just "too bad". They are really stupid. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #97
Idiots with guns! procon Jul 2016 #73
After the Dallas shootings last week TeddyR Jul 2016 #74
See post #15 sarisataka Jul 2016 #79
So the customer shot a man fleeing the restaurant, every cowboy's dream. George Zimmerman Hoyt Jul 2016 #75
He wasn't fleeing when he was shot. He was pointing a rifle (a scary black rifle at that) Statistical Jul 2016 #80
That's what the cowboy said, as he was obviously trained. George Zimmerman did the same, Hoyt Jul 2016 #151
Urban cowboys and their guns. Rex Jul 2016 #85
Alternatively matt819 Jul 2016 #78
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^. NT angrychair Jul 2016 #87
That was my first thought, "so why not call the wife and tell her to stay away." Rex Jul 2016 #88
Maybe he didn't have a cell phone. LisaL Jul 2016 #104
Right, he has a firearm but not a cell phone. Rex Jul 2016 #109
That's immaterial Auggie Jul 2016 #115
+1 Auggie Jul 2016 #89
After the robbery was over he pulled a gun, called to the robber, and executed him. Bet his dick was CBGLuthier Jul 2016 #83
How hard sarisataka Jul 2016 #90
In TX, he is allowed to use deadly force to defend property. LisaL Jul 2016 #102
He wasn't defending anything, the perp had already left the building. Rex Jul 2016 #108
You must have missed the part of the article that says perp robbed several customers. LisaL Jul 2016 #116
Right and they were no longer in any danger, sadly the customer had to walk outside Rex Jul 2016 #122
Liable for what? LisaL Jul 2016 #128
Shooting someone, do you think you just can run around and shoot someone when you feel like it? Rex Jul 2016 #131
Did he run around and shot someone when he felt like it? LisaL Jul 2016 #133
Uh yes he did...he walked outside and shot the guy that robbed the place. Are you taking about Rex Jul 2016 #134
Shooting the guy who robbed the place isn't the same as running around shooting people because he LisaL Jul 2016 #143
But he did feel like it, he made a choice to escalate the situation into a gun fight. The customer. Rex Jul 2016 #148
... Crepuscular Jul 2016 #161
He had left the restaurant treestar Jul 2016 #98
Yet. But if you can't trust an AK-47 wielding criminal, who can you trust? nt hack89 Jul 2016 #110
We are supposed to trust the guy who provoked a gunfight and shot someone near to death? No. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #141
Guns make people stupid. Rex Jul 2016 #117
... Crepuscular Jul 2016 #162
Wouldn't it be ironic if the customer faced charges? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #106
That poor innocent guy with the AK-47. Everyone is picking on him! nt hack89 Jul 2016 #112
Just another loser that thinks AK's are fun toys. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #136
I agree sounds like a total loser. Rex Jul 2016 #138
In TX, this customer will face charges when pigs fly. LisaL Jul 2016 #113
Agreed. As I noted in another response, the concept of self-defense (and defense of property) is... TwilightZone Jul 2016 #158
Do any reporters know how to write logically? tblue37 Jul 2016 #126
Somebody on life support could recover. LisaL Jul 2016 #132
Yes, I know. My brother did. But the language is jarring coming as it tblue37 Jul 2016 #139
That will be one robber. Scattered, smothered, and covered. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2016 #145
Sounds like he "bushwhacked" him in the parking lot. Cryptoad Jul 2016 #150
because you like robbing Wafflehouses? Statistical Jul 2016 #153
Oh, Gawd Night Watchman Jul 2016 #156
Sounds like a perfect response to having a ak-47 pointed at you. GOLGO 13 Jul 2016 #159

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
1. Good job to the citizen.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jul 2016

Also why bring a rifle to rob a store? Granted I don't really want to help criminals out but part of a robbery involves getting away with the robbery. A handgun is far more concealable than a rifle so I think that might aid in that aspect.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
4. Prisons are full of stupid people. nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:28 PM
Jul 2016

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
120. Graveyards even fuller with stupid people. The shooter risked death & is likely going to prison. .nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jul 2016

hack89

(39,171 posts)
123. Hard to imagine him being charged.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jul 2016

just like we learned with the Zimmerman case, what people think about self defense and what the law actually says is completely different.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
130. Easy to imagine him being charged. You keep acting like a law expert but you don't post
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jul 2016

You don't post relevant credible links to the laws and analysis of the applicable laws.

Quit pretending you know "what the law actually says". We see through you.

 

406-Boz

(53 posts)
147. It's Texas,
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:22 PM
Jul 2016

The shooter will be viewed as a hero, if charged he certainly wouldn't be convicted.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
149. THIS. n/t
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jul 2016

TwilightZone

(25,508 posts)
157. It's Texas. The chances of him getting charged are roughly zero.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jul 2016

The concept of self-defense is stretched further in Texas than just about anywhere else in the country.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
77. probably didn't happen quite like the guy claimed, but makes good propaganda for open carry
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jul 2016

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
81. Nothing indicates that the civilian was open carrying.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jul 2016

AllyCat

(16,251 posts)
2. Oh goody! More guns for everyone!
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jul 2016

This person acted responsibly. Most don't or I doubt they would be able to. Glad some of these people are saved. Why on earth someone needs an AK47 is beyond my comprehension.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
23. A nice ending for a change
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jul 2016

camelfan

(130 posts)
163. And the gun nuts will point to it and say
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jul 2016

"see? Having armed citizens works!" as though this one incident makes their viewpoint credible despite the mountains of times more guns simply mean more shootings and more deaths. To me, they're similar to the intelligent design and creationist defenders who say "wait a minute! There's a scientist who agrees with us!" Yeah, one scientist doesn't make it so.

LuckyTheDog

(6,837 posts)
3. Well, that's one (nt)
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jul 2016

aggiesal

(8,940 posts)
29. I agree, ...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jul 2016

Now the gun nuts will use this example forever, on
how a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun.

So let's legalize gun carry laws everywhere!!!

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
5. Wonder if it's the same guy who was chased off by a 70 year old veteran
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jul 2016

In Fayetteville, North Carolina?

Waffle House robbery foiled by 70-year-old veteran and his cane
By Monica Vendituoli Staff writer Apr 6, 2016

Phillips Brooks said he initially thought the man attempting to rob a Fayetteville Waffle House on Saturday morning was pulling a prank.

"I thought maybe it's a delayed April Fool's joke," the 70-year-old retired Army veteran said.

It was 5:20 a.m., but he soon realized the gravity of the situation when the man pointed what appeared to be an AK-47 rifle at employees and demanded money.

Rather than cower, Brooks said he confronted him. The actions of Brooks and several others led to the man being chased out of the restaurant without getting any money, a police news release said.

More: http://www.fayobserver.com/news/local/waffle-house-robbery-foiled-by--year-old-veteran-and/article_bd24d489-113c-58c0-91d6-88dd0f86300a.html

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
6. NOT a cool-headed response.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jul 2016

Guy was trying to be a "hero" (the kind soldiers are so derisive of because they get other people killed).

He could have followed the guy, but calling out to him was very stupid and completely unnecessary.

The handgun wannabe-killer was just trying to provoke something. He thought up the "feared for his wife's safety" excuse later. If he really wanted to protect his wife he would not have risked getting himself killed -- not much protecting can be done from the grave.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,027 posts)
9. Thank you. That's the correct response.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jul 2016

lapfog_1

(29,238 posts)
10. My thought exactly
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jul 2016

The robber was leaving... the "hero" with the handgun followed him into the parking lot and yelled at him, when the robber turned to face the "hero" the hero shot him.

If this had gone another way and the guy with AK-47 killed the "hero" and then proceeded to shoot it out or hold the other customers hostage, I wonder if anyone praising our hero would still be praising him.

Yes, this time it worked. Citizens (and police) have a right to defend themselves, but I don't think this person was defending anyone (the wife wasn't there so could not be in danger).

But whatever.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
11. Thread Winner!
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jul 2016

Thanks for pointing out the fallacy of this guy's 'heroism'. He just wanted to be a good guy with a gun. Now he's a hero to some.

SpankMe

(2,972 posts)
14. 100% agreement. n/t
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jul 2016

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
56. Excellent, common sense response to this attempt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jul 2016

at justifying universal carry. I wish I could recommend your response.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
65. Now he is liable for shooting the guy, just imagine if the customers wife had shown up right then?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jul 2016

Idiots with guns, take on other idiots with guns.

rockfordfile

(8,709 posts)
76. I agree
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jul 2016

moonscape

(4,675 posts)
160. Exactly. What's wrong with
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jul 2016

calling the police and letting them handle it? This story actually terrifies me. I don't want an armed citizenry, and this will now be quoted as an example of why everyone (even in bars, a la Trump) need to be armed.

Uch.

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. Oh great, are we now going back to the "Wild Wild West"?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jul 2016

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
31. Hollywood's version any way....
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jul 2016
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
8. "Man who terrorizes and robs several with easily available AK-47 is luckily shot...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jul 2016

...before more could be terrorized, robbed, or murdered."

Headline corrected.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
12. Is "Cool headed response" a joke? nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jul 2016

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. Or a lure. Can't decide which is a more apt description. nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jul 2016

greyl

(22,990 posts)
71. Is lure describing your OP comment, or the shooter's tactic? nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jul 2016
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
72. The OP. They love all this negative attention.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jul 2016

Ask yourself why?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
100. The comment
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jul 2016

there was nothing wrong with the shooter's tactics.

sarisataka

(18,866 posts)
15. Catch 22...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jul 2016

If he intervenes, he is a cowboy vigilante who escalated the situation because he was armed.

If he sits by and does nothing, it proves guns are useless against criminals.

“It is much better, in my opinion, to be scared, to be frightened, and even if you have to be, to be injured, but to walk away and survive. You’ll heal, and you can replace whatever was taken away.”
-Paul Quander, Former D.C. deputy mayor for public safety and justice

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
20. Indeed. If he were an off-duty cop
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jul 2016

he would be called a hero right now for taking the same actions using the same skills.

Instead, he's apparently "just" a civilian who learned skills to handle his gun and is now being derided.

Add to the "what if's" which are ranging from sensible to whimsical already -- maybe he thought, "Oh, crap, while we all were cowering, I forgot to give that rifle-wielding chap this valuable handgun I have. I'll see if I can catch his attention in the parking lot so that I might hand it to him before my wife arrives to pick me up." While trying to do that good deed, the rifle guy turned on him and he didn't get to follow through.



Arkana

(24,347 posts)
16. That guy must really love waffle fries.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:10 PM
Jul 2016

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. They are to die for! nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jul 2016

TheCowsCameHome

(40,169 posts)
18. Cool headed response?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:16 PM
Jul 2016

That's debatable.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. ok. nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jul 2016

Skeeter Barnes

(994 posts)
21. I think cool headed is avoiding conflict. The shooter sought a conflict. Still a good shoot,
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jul 2016

I guess, but I wouldn't have followed him looking to fight. I'd have called my wife and told her to stay away from the restaurant.

Would you have gone after the guy?

BTW, I just put some new sights from Dawson Precision on my carry gun (G43). All black rear sight with a fiber optic front. I carry it in a Vedder Pocket Locker. Neat little rig and it shoots good for a small gun.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. Lulz of course you like this article.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jul 2016

Guns! Guns!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
25. I am enjoying the responses even more.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jul 2016

if I can't be on the lake fishing .....

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
27. Right this is what you wanted...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jul 2016

Basking in negative attention, wow that really says a lot about you.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
30. Your personal disapproval is not really too upsetting
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jul 2016

you are fairly predicable and your biases are well known. I just love watching synchronized knee jerking.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. Yes your one and only issue is guns, we all know.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jul 2016

The idiot can now be charged with attempted murder, what a stupid customer.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
36. He won't be charged and you know it
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jul 2016

in most places besides DU, armed robbers don't get the benefit of the doubt.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
39. Wrong he was no longer in danger, I understand if you cannot comprehend what I am saying to you.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jul 2016

Nice try but fail.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
45. You can legally follow and confront criminals.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jul 2016

the criminal made the mistake of pointing a gun at the guy.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
49. So says the guy that shot him.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jul 2016

Better hope he has a witness.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
55. Not everyone believes violent criminals
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jul 2016

there will be no charges.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
57. LOL
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jul 2016

There might be charges, like you know the future.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
60. Lets bookmark this thread and see what happens. nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jul 2016
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
62. Yes let us do that. nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jul 2016

nt

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
91. The violent criminal is the one who fires the shots causing injury and near-death.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jul 2016

Don't bet the house on him not being charged for his reckless actions.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
103. No. Pointing an AK-47 at someone is definitely a criminal act
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

especially while committing armed robbery.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
114. Yeah, the AK-47 guy is criminal. The idjit who provoked the gunfight & shot is a violent criminal.nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jul 2016

hack89

(39,171 posts)
121. That poor guy with the AK-47! Everyone is picking on him. nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jul 2016

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
155. Repetition of your silly line in this thread doesn't make it stronger. . . nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jul 2016

sarisataka

(18,866 posts)
118. Do you believe criminals
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jul 2016

should be able to sue their victims for injuries received in the process of committing their crimes?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
129. Yeah he stole some money and ran out of the building, then the customer shot him. Mistake #1.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sorry if facts are running a great gun hero thread. What injuries did the people in the waffle house receive?

sarisataka

(18,866 posts)
137. I am seeing what is the baseline
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jul 2016

Home invasion- criminal shot by homeowner, criminal can sue
Armed robbery- criminal short by patron, criminal can sue

Where is the line? Is injury required? That comes close to "Did you try and resist"

Rape- criminal shot by victim after assault is complete, criminal...

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
140. People get sued all the time by their attackers.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jul 2016

Did you think this is a just world we live in where everything has a clean and neat ending? If so, I got news for you.

sarisataka

(18,866 posts)
142. Not at all
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:17 PM
Jul 2016

I often point out to people we have a legal system, not a justice system. Not that it would be better if "justice" is taken to the extreme.

My point is victims have rights as well. Criminals should not benefit at the expense of their victims. If the subject in the OP is charged (IMO not entirely out of the question) and convicted, then he should be open to suit for excessive force. I would apply the same standard to police. If his actions are deemed justified, then he should be immune to civil suit. Is that perfect, no but I would rather err on the side of victims.

I read an article several years ago about London police requiring people to remove chicken wire from shed windows. They had put the wire up because there had been a rash of tool thefts from sheds; usually entry was gained by breaking windows. The reason they had to remove the wire- it posed a hazard to the thieves. They would face criminal charges if a thief was injured by the wire.
I do not believe we have a duty to be victims.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
146. I agree with most of what you just said.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jul 2016

If he had shot the perp inside the building, I don't think we would even be discussing it. My only point was he might get in trouble for shooting the guy in the parking lot. Should the perp get away with his crime? That seems to be a strawman, unless someone here wants to fess up and say yes.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
94. is synchronised knee jerking an Olympic sport?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jul 2016

hack89

(39,171 posts)
105. More like art, especially here. nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jul 2016

Auggie

(31,222 posts)
24. I would think the customer could be charged for stalking Cooper ...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jul 2016

because that's what he did. Once he left the restaurant to purposely confront the robber it was no longer self-defense. This will be interesting to see how it plays out, especially under local Texas law.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
26. Not if he thought his wife was in danger.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jul 2016

no prosecutor is going to charge him for that.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
92. He can think whatever he wants. He did not have to call to the guy.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jul 2016

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
93. I live near Desoto. He'll be charged if the mood strikes the police/prosecutor.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jul 2016

In Texas they overcharge, they undercharge. They charge with little evidence. They fail to charge with a mountain of evidence. They charge when there is exculpatory evidence. They don't charge when there is a public confession.

There is no rhyme or reason here. Everything is down to the politics feelings and biases of whoever is in power. You can't predict anything.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
111. Best reply yet imo.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jul 2016

Anything goes in Texas, I've seen people get sued for injury to home invaders and lose. We are all speculating at best.

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
144. I don't believe for a millisecond he is going to be charged in TX.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:19 PM
Jul 2016
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
28. Yep, he shot first so now he can face charges for attempted murder.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jul 2016

But the OP thinks he is smart. Idiot should have stayed inside and called the cops.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
33. He won't be charged.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jul 2016

an armed robber pointed a gun at him. You don't have to be shot at first to claim self defense. But ignorance of self defense laws is pretty common here so I don't really hold it against you.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
35. Wrong he was in no danger and the perp already left the store, you really don't
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jul 2016

know much about the law do you? He followed and caused a confrontation, but don't let that fact get to you.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
40. Except following someone is not illegal
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jul 2016

verbally confronting them is not illegal. Pointing an AK-47 at someone is illegal.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
43. He said she said.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jul 2016

This will go to court, I've seen dumber things get through the system then this.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
50. In the real world outside of DU, armed robbers don't get the benefit of the doubt.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jul 2016

though it does please me to see you standing up in support at least one gun owner.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
53. Wrong, the court will decide who is at fault.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jul 2016

You can pretend this is different then RL, but the court won't see it that way. Sorry.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
58. It won't even get before a grand jury.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jul 2016

for one thing, we are talking about Texas. Secondly, he didn't break any laws.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
61. LOL. Keep dreaming.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jul 2016

I know this just deflates your sails, tough luck right?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
66. You disagreeing with me deflates my sails?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

I am sure you are a nice guy but I really don't think that much of your disapproval or your reasoning abilities. We are two people sparring anonymously on an obscure internet forum. Surely no one invests that much emotion in what people say here?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
68. You sure do. Why do you invest such emotion in this forum?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jul 2016

You made this very thread to bask in negative attention. You loved it until I brought up some facts. You don't seem to have any reasoning abilities, which is scary I hope you never are in a situation to where you have a firearm - I wouldn't trust you to do the right thing.

bluedigger

(17,088 posts)
59. He pursued an armed person fleeing a robbery after any personal threat had passed.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jul 2016

That's vigilantism.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
63. Show me the letter of the law.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jul 2016

not your personal view of vigilantism but the actual elements that make up the crime of vigilantism. I suspect you will be disappointed.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
64. Shhhh...they are on their Batman high!
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jul 2016

They all dream about being...Batman!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
135. How is being the aggressor in this situation self defense?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jul 2016

Right. Not at all.

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
127. In TX, he has a right to use deadly force to defend property.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jul 2016
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
152. Anybody's property, or his own. Plus, you can carry a confederate flag by law, but should you.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jul 2016

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
95. Following is not illegal. He could have left it at that. Provoking a violent gunfight is illegal. nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jul 2016

procon

(15,805 posts)
86. Even if there are no criminal charges, the shooter left himself liable for civil charges.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jul 2016

If he dies, the robber's family has every right to pursue justice for his wrongful death. A civil lawsuit has a different burden of proof than criminal cases which prompted the parents of Ron Goldman, and Nicole Brown's father to file a civil suit against OJ Simpson that awarded them millions in compensatory and punitive damages.

The armed vigilante denied the robber was his right to a fair trial. Even guilty, he did not commit a capital crime and he would not have been subject to a death sentence.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
34. Self defense does not require you
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jul 2016

to be shot at first before using your own gun, in any jurisdiction.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
37. The customer was no longer in danger and followed the perp outside and shot him.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jul 2016

Really? You know this little about the law?

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
42. The customer claims he feared for his arriving wife.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jul 2016

It isn't all that uncommon for someone arriving on the scene to startle an violent felon and result in violence even violence not premeditated.

If that story checks out he had a reasonable right to use force. If it turns out he was lying about that then yes it changes the situation and he might be facing charges in most states. However Texas is a weird state. It is one of the few states where you can kill someone over property crimes so honestly I doubt he is getting convicted in Texas regardless.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
46. He said she said.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jul 2016

Big deal he should have stayed inside, now he is liable.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
52. He is only liable in your mind.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jul 2016

No charges has been filed. No charges will be filed.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
54. Yeah we shall see.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jul 2016

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
38. Isn't a cop just an indirect deployment of a firearm.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jul 2016

What do you think the cop would have done differently if the robber pointed a rifle at him?

The only difference with calling the cops (which I assumed someone probably did) is the cops could have arrived after his wife did.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
41. Again he was no longer in danger and escalated the situation.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jul 2016

A cop and a civilian are not one and the same.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
44. Well your right conceal carry permit holders are far less likely to shoot an unarmed person.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jul 2016

That aside once again self defense isn't only defense of self. It is defense of self and others. His wife would qualify as an "other".

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
47. Provoking the guy was what will land him in hot water.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jul 2016

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
99. Maybe you missed the fact that this happened in TX.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jul 2016

He isn't going to be in hot water.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
101. I live in Texas and maybe he will be and maybe not.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jul 2016

The fact he wanted to play cowboy and not warn his wife first, tells me all I need to know.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
96. Cops have a MANDATE to follow & confront criminals. Wanna-be 'heroes' do NOT. . . nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jul 2016

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
119. He didn't need a mandate.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jul 2016

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
125. Yes, only in the sense that nobody needs a mandate to commit a crime and shoot somebody.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jul 2016

Idiots who provoke gunfights by unnecessary confrontations and then grievously injure people are likely to get mandated prison time.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
67. It was not illegal to follow and confront the robber.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jul 2016

in any case, stalking has a precise legal definition that normally includes multiple instances.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
70. Show us the law that agrees with your assessment, you won't be able to find it.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jul 2016

Auggie

(31,222 posts)
82. Good grief ... can you believe the responses here?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jul 2016

But, given the Texas locale (as I already said), it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

In my burb in Northern California, a guy I know is being charged for firing his Glock at someone trying to steal his truck. And that's as it should be on a residential street. Call the cops instead.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
84. We do have a lot of wannabe cowboys here in Texas, they dream of being the hero
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jul 2016

I guess that is the total of their day dreaming, yeah it is sad I agree.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
154. At least immoral, but gunners don't care about that.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jul 2016

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
48. I knew it was Texas.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jul 2016

I never want to live in an open carry, gun-worshiping state like this where idiots can get away with carrying around an AK-47 and other gun-toting idiots can mete out vigilante justice.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
51. It is pretty crazy here, our governor is the worlds biggest fuck up and loves guns!!
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jul 2016

I'd leave the state in a heartbeat, if I didn't have family here.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
69. Tragic
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jul 2016
A man with an AK-47 who robbed customers at a Waffle House in Texas is on life support after being shot by a customer with a licensed handgun.

Gee, that's too bad.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
97. Yes, Violent vigilantes provoking gunfights are more than just "too bad". They are really stupid. nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jul 2016

procon

(15,805 posts)
73. Idiots with guns!
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jul 2016

Needlessly confronting and provoking an armed robber in a public parking lot where unsuspecting people shopping and going about their business is reckless stupidity. The shooter says he was concerned for his wife's safety, but he placed her, himself, and everyone else around him, in jeopardy when he started a gunfight with the robber. If he didn't have a gun he would have thought about his own safety and made a more reasonable decision to call 911 and provide information to the police. Guns make people stupid. They think they're invincible. He's lucky the robber didn't kill him, and given recent events, charmed and blessed when the cops didn't shoot him.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
74. After the Dallas shootings last week
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jul 2016

There was at least one thread here attacking the "good guy with a gun" notion because nobody intervened to stop the shooter. Now it looks like some of those same people are in this thread attacking someone who was licensed to carry for actually intervening to stop an armed criminal.

sarisataka

(18,866 posts)
79. See post #15
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141517959#post15

Yes he did what was criticized for not happening last week...
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
75. So the customer shot a man fleeing the restaurant, every cowboy's dream. George Zimmerman
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jul 2016

would be proud. Now if I he guy was drawing down on a victim in the parking lot, that's different. But give it to the cowboy, if you want to get away with an unnecessary shooting, you gotta throw in you feared for your life (or in this case his wife's, who apparently was no where in sight).

It's one thing to shoot someone when they are likely to kill you. It's another to play cowboy because you have a gun and ran after them to take advantage of your "self-defense" training.

What I know so far, I'm not going to get excited and post it all over the Internet as proving guns are good.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
80. He wasn't fleeing when he was shot. He was pointing a rifle (a scary black rifle at that)
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jul 2016

There is a big difference between shooting a fleeing suspect in the back and shooting someone who points a gun at you.

Let's imagine the civilian was a cop responding to a 911 call. If he shot the suspect fleeing in the back that would be bad. If he shot the suspect when the suspect pointed a deadly weapon at him that would be acceptable.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
151. That's what the cowboy said, as he was obviously trained. George Zimmerman did the same,
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jul 2016

"I was scared for my life and the law says I can shoot a skinny unarmed kid that I stalked, intimidated, and murdered."

Also article says the cowboy followed the robber to the parking lot. Sounds like he may have shot him in the act of fleeing. May, said cowboy, should have called 911 and left it to police.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
85. Urban cowboys and their guns.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jul 2016

He wanted the thrill of shooting the criminal and he made sure it happened. Now he is liable, what an idiot.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
78. Alternatively
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jul 2016

He could have called his wife and told her to stay away.

He could then have called the police, taken down the license plate number, etc. Instead, he provoked the AK-47 guy and created the situation where he could shoot him.



angrychair

(8,749 posts)
87. ^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^. NT
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jul 2016
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
88. That was my first thought, "so why not call the wife and tell her to stay away."
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jul 2016

No no...much better to elevate the situation and then be liable for shooting the perp! Guns make people stupid, someone else said that in this thread and here is the proof!

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
104. Maybe he didn't have a cell phone.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

Or she didn't have a cell phone.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
109. Right, he has a firearm but not a cell phone.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jul 2016

We shall see what happens in civil court.

Auggie

(31,222 posts)
115. That's immaterial
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jul 2016

Auggie

(31,222 posts)
89. +1
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jul 2016

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
83. After the robbery was over he pulled a gun, called to the robber, and executed him. Bet his dick was
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jul 2016

harder than it had been in years.

sarisataka

(18,866 posts)
90. How hard
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jul 2016

Was the robber's dick? He had an AK 47... or was it just very tiny?

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
102. In TX, he is allowed to use deadly force to defend property.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jul 2016
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
108. He wasn't defending anything, the perp had already left the building.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jul 2016

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
116. You must have missed the part of the article that says perp robbed several customers.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jul 2016

What do you think he left the building with?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
122. Right and they were no longer in any danger, sadly the customer had to walk outside
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jul 2016

and escalate the situation and now is liable. Oh well, guess it was worth it to be a 'hero'. Hope he has deep pockets.

If he would have shot the guy inside the waffle house, I can see it being justified...no way in this case.

Guns make people stupid.

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
128. Liable for what?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jul 2016

Again, this is TX.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
131. Shooting someone, do you think you just can run around and shoot someone when you feel like it?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jul 2016

Yes this is Texas, he might find himself in civil court...but it was worth it no doubt.

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
133. Did he run around and shot someone when he felt like it?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jul 2016

You must be discussing some other case.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
134. Uh yes he did...he walked outside and shot the guy that robbed the place. Are you taking about
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jul 2016

another case?

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
143. Shooting the guy who robbed the place isn't the same as running around shooting people because he
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:18 PM
Jul 2016

"felt like it."

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
148. But he did feel like it, he made a choice to escalate the situation into a gun fight. The customer.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jul 2016

If you cannot see that, then I dunno what to tell you. He might be in trouble, if that bothers you personally then that is the way it is.
Have you never heard of frivolous lawsuits? Sometimes they actually win.

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
161. ...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:35 PM
Jul 2016

Somebody points an AK-47 at you after just having committed armed robbery is more then enough justification to act in self defense. But your concern for the criminal is both predictable and telling.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
98. He had left the restaurant
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jul 2016

and had not killed anyone.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
110. Yet. But if you can't trust an AK-47 wielding criminal, who can you trust? nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jul 2016

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
141. We are supposed to trust the guy who provoked a gunfight and shot someone near to death? No. . . nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jul 2016
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
117. Guns make people stupid.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jul 2016

Now he could be liable in civil court. Stupid.

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
162. ...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jul 2016

......yet.

The fact that he had not shot anybody up until that point provides zero evidence that he may not have shot the next person he encountered, which potentially could have been the guy who shot him's wife.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,169 posts)
106. Wouldn't it be ironic if the customer faced charges?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jul 2016

He lucky he wasn't shredded because of his stupid actions, assuming the robber's weapon was even loaded.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
112. That poor innocent guy with the AK-47. Everyone is picking on him! nt
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jul 2016

TheCowsCameHome

(40,169 posts)
136. Just another loser that thinks AK's are fun toys.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jul 2016
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
138. I agree sounds like a total loser.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jul 2016

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
113. In TX, this customer will face charges when pigs fly.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jul 2016

TwilightZone

(25,508 posts)
158. Agreed. As I noted in another response, the concept of self-defense (and defense of property) is...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:03 PM
Jul 2016

stretched further in TX than pretty much anywhere else in the country.

tblue37

(65,503 posts)
126. Do any reporters know how to write logically?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jul 2016
DeSoto police were able to identify Cooper after circulating pictures of his tattoos. Cooper does not have an arrest photo yet as he is recovering in the hospital.


If he is on life support, to say he "is recovering in the hospital" is a bit of a stretch. Why not just say he remains hospitalized?

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
132. Somebody on life support could recover.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jul 2016

So he could be recovering (at least in theory).

tblue37

(65,503 posts)
139. Yes, I know. My brother did. But the language is jarring coming as it
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jul 2016

does after the description of his being on life support after being shot several times. Such jarring contrasts are like big smudges on a window--they distract the reader from the story.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
145. That will be one robber. Scattered, smothered, and covered. n/t
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jul 2016

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
150. Sounds like he "bushwhacked" him in the parking lot.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jul 2016

Why I dont travel to or thru TX.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
153. because you like robbing Wafflehouses?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jul 2016
 

Night Watchman

(743 posts)
156. Oh, Gawd
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jul 2016

I can hear the NRA now!

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
159. Sounds like a perfect response to having a ak-47 pointed at you.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jul 2016

Well done citizen!

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