Man who tried to rob Waffle House with an AK-47 is shot by customer
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Source: Houston Chronicle
A man with an AK-47 who robbed customers at a Waffle House in Texas is on life support after being shot by a customer with a licensed handgun.
According to the DeSoto Police Department, Antione Cooper, 26, entered the restaurant in the 1500 block of North Beckley Avenue at 2:30 a.m. Thursday. Patrons at the Waffle House told police Cooper robbed several customers before leaving the restaurant and entering the parking lot.
A handgun-licensed customer, whose wife was on her way to meet him at the restaurant, followed Cooper to the parking lot, fearing for his wife's safety, according to DeSoto police.
Police said the customer called to Cooper once they were outside. Cooper pointed the AK-47 in the customer's direction, prompting the customer to shoot Cooper several times, according to police in the southern Dallas suburb.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Man-who-tried-to-rob-Waffle-House-with-an-AK-47-8365342.php
Cool headed response.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)Also why bring a rifle to rob a store? Granted I don't really want to help criminals out but part of a robbery involves getting away with the robbery. A handgun is far more concealable than a rifle so I think that might aid in that aspect.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)just like we learned with the Zimmerman case, what people think about self defense and what the law actually says is completely different.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)You don't post relevant credible links to the laws and analysis of the applicable laws.
Quit pretending you know "what the law actually says". We see through you.
406-Boz
(53 posts)The shooter will be viewed as a hero, if charged he certainly wouldn't be convicted.
uawchild
(2,208 posts)TwilightZone
(25,508 posts)The concept of self-defense is stretched further in Texas than just about anywhere else in the country.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Statistical
(19,264 posts)AllyCat
(16,251 posts)This person acted responsibly. Most don't or I doubt they would be able to. Glad some of these people are saved. Why on earth someone needs an AK47 is beyond my comprehension.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)camelfan
(130 posts)"see? Having armed citizens works!" as though this one incident makes their viewpoint credible despite the mountains of times more guns simply mean more shootings and more deaths. To me, they're similar to the intelligent design and creationist defenders who say "wait a minute! There's a scientist who agrees with us!" Yeah, one scientist doesn't make it so.
LuckyTheDog
(6,837 posts)aggiesal
(8,940 posts)Now the gun nuts will use this example forever, on
how a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun.
So let's legalize gun carry laws everywhere!!!
csziggy
(34,139 posts)In Fayetteville, North Carolina?
By Monica Vendituoli Staff writer Apr 6, 2016
Phillips Brooks said he initially thought the man attempting to rob a Fayetteville Waffle House on Saturday morning was pulling a prank.
"I thought maybe it's a delayed April Fool's joke," the 70-year-old retired Army veteran said.
It was 5:20 a.m., but he soon realized the gravity of the situation when the man pointed what appeared to be an AK-47 rifle at employees and demanded money.
Rather than cower, Brooks said he confronted him. The actions of Brooks and several others led to the man being chased out of the restaurant without getting any money, a police news release said.
More: http://www.fayobserver.com/news/local/waffle-house-robbery-foiled-by--year-old-veteran-and/article_bd24d489-113c-58c0-91d6-88dd0f86300a.html
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)Guy was trying to be a "hero" (the kind soldiers are so derisive of because they get other people killed).
He could have followed the guy, but calling out to him was very stupid and completely unnecessary.
The handgun wannabe-killer was just trying to provoke something. He thought up the "feared for his wife's safety" excuse later. If he really wanted to protect his wife he would not have risked getting himself killed -- not much protecting can be done from the grave.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)lapfog_1
(29,238 posts)The robber was leaving... the "hero" with the handgun followed him into the parking lot and yelled at him, when the robber turned to face the "hero" the hero shot him.
If this had gone another way and the guy with AK-47 killed the "hero" and then proceeded to shoot it out or hold the other customers hostage, I wonder if anyone praising our hero would still be praising him.
Yes, this time it worked. Citizens (and police) have a right to defend themselves, but I don't think this person was defending anyone (the wife wasn't there so could not be in danger).
But whatever.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Thanks for pointing out the fallacy of this guy's 'heroism'. He just wanted to be a good guy with a gun. Now he's a hero to some.
SpankMe
(2,972 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)at justifying universal carry. I wish I could recommend your response.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Idiots with guns, take on other idiots with guns.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)moonscape
(4,675 posts)calling the police and letting them handle it? This story actually terrifies me. I don't want an armed citizenry, and this will now be quoted as an example of why everyone (even in bars, a la Trump) need to be armed.
Uch.
George II
(67,782 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)...before more could be terrorized, robbed, or murdered."
Headline corrected.
greyl
(22,990 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)greyl
(22,990 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Ask yourself why?
hack89
(39,171 posts)there was nothing wrong with the shooter's tactics.
sarisataka
(18,866 posts)If he intervenes, he is a cowboy vigilante who escalated the situation because he was armed.
If he sits by and does nothing, it proves guns are useless against criminals.
Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)he would be called a hero right now for taking the same actions using the same skills.
Instead, he's apparently "just" a civilian who learned skills to handle his gun and is now being derided.
Add to the "what if's" which are ranging from sensible to whimsical already -- maybe he thought, "Oh, crap, while we all were cowering, I forgot to give that rifle-wielding chap this valuable handgun I have. I'll see if I can catch his attention in the parking lot so that I might hand it to him before my wife arrives to pick me up." While trying to do that good deed, the rifle guy turned on him and he didn't get to follow through.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)That's debatable.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)I guess, but I wouldn't have followed him looking to fight. I'd have called my wife and told her to stay away from the restaurant.
Would you have gone after the guy?
BTW, I just put some new sights from Dawson Precision on my carry gun (G43). All black rear sight with a fiber optic front. I carry it in a Vedder Pocket Locker. Neat little rig and it shoots good for a small gun.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Guns! Guns!
hack89
(39,171 posts)if I can't be on the lake fishing .....
Rex
(65,616 posts)Basking in negative attention, wow that really says a lot about you.
hack89
(39,171 posts)you are fairly predicable and your biases are well known. I just love watching synchronized knee jerking.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The idiot can now be charged with attempted murder, what a stupid customer.
hack89
(39,171 posts)in most places besides DU, armed robbers don't get the benefit of the doubt.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Nice try but fail.
hack89
(39,171 posts)the criminal made the mistake of pointing a gun at the guy.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Better hope he has a witness.
hack89
(39,171 posts)there will be no charges.
There might be charges, like you know the future.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)nt
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)Don't bet the house on him not being charged for his reckless actions.
hack89
(39,171 posts)especially while committing armed robbery.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)sarisataka
(18,866 posts)should be able to sue their victims for injuries received in the process of committing their crimes?
Rex
(65,616 posts)I'm sorry if facts are running a great gun hero thread. What injuries did the people in the waffle house receive?
sarisataka
(18,866 posts)Home invasion- criminal shot by homeowner, criminal can sue
Armed robbery- criminal short by patron, criminal can sue
Where is the line? Is injury required? That comes close to "Did you try and resist"
Rape- criminal shot by victim after assault is complete, criminal...
Rex
(65,616 posts)Did you think this is a just world we live in where everything has a clean and neat ending? If so, I got news for you.
sarisataka
(18,866 posts)I often point out to people we have a legal system, not a justice system. Not that it would be better if "justice" is taken to the extreme.
My point is victims have rights as well. Criminals should not benefit at the expense of their victims. If the subject in the OP is charged (IMO not entirely out of the question) and convicted, then he should be open to suit for excessive force. I would apply the same standard to police. If his actions are deemed justified, then he should be immune to civil suit. Is that perfect, no but I would rather err on the side of victims.
I read an article several years ago about London police requiring people to remove chicken wire from shed windows. They had put the wire up because there had been a rash of tool thefts from sheds; usually entry was gained by breaking windows. The reason they had to remove the wire- it posed a hazard to the thieves. They would face criminal charges if a thief was injured by the wire.
I do not believe we have a duty to be victims.
Rex
(65,616 posts)If he had shot the perp inside the building, I don't think we would even be discussing it. My only point was he might get in trouble for shooting the guy in the parking lot. Should the perp get away with his crime? That seems to be a strawman, unless someone here wants to fess up and say yes.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Auggie
(31,222 posts)because that's what he did. Once he left the restaurant to purposely confront the robber it was no longer self-defense. This will be interesting to see how it plays out, especially under local Texas law.
hack89
(39,171 posts)no prosecutor is going to charge him for that.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)In Texas they overcharge, they undercharge. They charge with little evidence. They fail to charge with a mountain of evidence. They charge when there is exculpatory evidence. They don't charge when there is a public confession.
There is no rhyme or reason here. Everything is down to the politics feelings and biases of whoever is in power. You can't predict anything.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Anything goes in Texas, I've seen people get sued for injury to home invaders and lose. We are all speculating at best.
LisaL
(44,980 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)But the OP thinks he is smart. Idiot should have stayed inside and called the cops.
hack89
(39,171 posts)an armed robber pointed a gun at him. You don't have to be shot at first to claim self defense. But ignorance of self defense laws is pretty common here so I don't really hold it against you.
Rex
(65,616 posts)know much about the law do you? He followed and caused a confrontation, but don't let that fact get to you.
hack89
(39,171 posts)verbally confronting them is not illegal. Pointing an AK-47 at someone is illegal.
Rex
(65,616 posts)This will go to court, I've seen dumber things get through the system then this.
hack89
(39,171 posts)though it does please me to see you standing up in support at least one gun owner.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You can pretend this is different then RL, but the court won't see it that way. Sorry.
hack89
(39,171 posts)for one thing, we are talking about Texas. Secondly, he didn't break any laws.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I know this just deflates your sails, tough luck right?
hack89
(39,171 posts)I am sure you are a nice guy but I really don't think that much of your disapproval or your reasoning abilities. We are two people sparring anonymously on an obscure internet forum. Surely no one invests that much emotion in what people say here?
Rex
(65,616 posts)You made this very thread to bask in negative attention. You loved it until I brought up some facts. You don't seem to have any reasoning abilities, which is scary I hope you never are in a situation to where you have a firearm - I wouldn't trust you to do the right thing.
bluedigger
(17,088 posts)That's vigilantism.
hack89
(39,171 posts)not your personal view of vigilantism but the actual elements that make up the crime of vigilantism. I suspect you will be disappointed.
Rex
(65,616 posts)They all dream about being...Batman!
melm00se
(4,997 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Right. Not at all.
LisaL
(44,980 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)If he dies, the robber's family has every right to pursue justice for his wrongful death. A civil lawsuit has a different burden of proof than criminal cases which prompted the parents of Ron Goldman, and Nicole Brown's father to file a civil suit against OJ Simpson that awarded them millions in compensatory and punitive damages.
The armed vigilante denied the robber was his right to a fair trial. Even guilty, he did not commit a capital crime and he would not have been subject to a death sentence.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)to be shot at first before using your own gun, in any jurisdiction.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Really? You know this little about the law?
Statistical
(19,264 posts)It isn't all that uncommon for someone arriving on the scene to startle an violent felon and result in violence even violence not premeditated.
If that story checks out he had a reasonable right to use force. If it turns out he was lying about that then yes it changes the situation and he might be facing charges in most states. However Texas is a weird state. It is one of the few states where you can kill someone over property crimes so honestly I doubt he is getting convicted in Texas regardless.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Big deal he should have stayed inside, now he is liable.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)No charges has been filed. No charges will be filed.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Statistical
(19,264 posts)What do you think the cop would have done differently if the robber pointed a rifle at him?
The only difference with calling the cops (which I assumed someone probably did) is the cops could have arrived after his wife did.
Rex
(65,616 posts)A cop and a civilian are not one and the same.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)That aside once again self defense isn't only defense of self. It is defense of self and others. His wife would qualify as an "other".
Rex
(65,616 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)He isn't going to be in hot water.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The fact he wanted to play cowboy and not warn his wife first, tells me all I need to know.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)Idiots who provoke gunfights by unnecessary confrontations and then grievously injure people are likely to get mandated prison time.
hack89
(39,171 posts)in any case, stalking has a precise legal definition that normally includes multiple instances.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Auggie
(31,222 posts)But, given the Texas locale (as I already said), it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
In my burb in Northern California, a guy I know is being charged for firing his Glock at someone trying to steal his truck. And that's as it should be on a residential street. Call the cops instead.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I guess that is the total of their day dreaming, yeah it is sad I agree.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)I never want to live in an open carry, gun-worshiping state like this where idiots can get away with carrying around an AK-47 and other gun-toting idiots can mete out vigilante justice.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I'd leave the state in a heartbeat, if I didn't have family here.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)Gee, that's too bad.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Needlessly confronting and provoking an armed robber in a public parking lot where unsuspecting people shopping and going about their business is reckless stupidity. The shooter says he was concerned for his wife's safety, but he placed her, himself, and everyone else around him, in jeopardy when he started a gunfight with the robber. If he didn't have a gun he would have thought about his own safety and made a more reasonable decision to call 911 and provide information to the police. Guns make people stupid. They think they're invincible. He's lucky the robber didn't kill him, and given recent events, charmed and blessed when the cops didn't shoot him.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)There was at least one thread here attacking the "good guy with a gun" notion because nobody intervened to stop the shooter. Now it looks like some of those same people are in this thread attacking someone who was licensed to carry for actually intervening to stop an armed criminal.
sarisataka
(18,866 posts)Yes he did what was criticized for not happening last week...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)would be proud. Now if I he guy was drawing down on a victim in the parking lot, that's different. But give it to the cowboy, if you want to get away with an unnecessary shooting, you gotta throw in you feared for your life (or in this case his wife's, who apparently was no where in sight).
It's one thing to shoot someone when they are likely to kill you. It's another to play cowboy because you have a gun and ran after them to take advantage of your "self-defense" training.
What I know so far, I'm not going to get excited and post it all over the Internet as proving guns are good.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)There is a big difference between shooting a fleeing suspect in the back and shooting someone who points a gun at you.
Let's imagine the civilian was a cop responding to a 911 call. If he shot the suspect fleeing in the back that would be bad. If he shot the suspect when the suspect pointed a deadly weapon at him that would be acceptable.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)"I was scared for my life and the law says I can shoot a skinny unarmed kid that I stalked, intimidated, and murdered."
Also article says the cowboy followed the robber to the parking lot. Sounds like he may have shot him in the act of fleeing. May, said cowboy, should have called 911 and left it to police.
Rex
(65,616 posts)He wanted the thrill of shooting the criminal and he made sure it happened. Now he is liable, what an idiot.
matt819
(10,749 posts)He could have called his wife and told her to stay away.
He could then have called the police, taken down the license plate number, etc. Instead, he provoked the AK-47 guy and created the situation where he could shoot him.
angrychair
(8,749 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)No no...much better to elevate the situation and then be liable for shooting the perp! Guns make people stupid, someone else said that in this thread and here is the proof!
LisaL
(44,980 posts)Or she didn't have a cell phone.
Rex
(65,616 posts)We shall see what happens in civil court.
Auggie
(31,222 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)harder than it had been in years.
sarisataka
(18,866 posts)Was the robber's dick? He had an AK 47... or was it just very tiny?
LisaL
(44,980 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)What do you think he left the building with?
Rex
(65,616 posts)and escalate the situation and now is liable. Oh well, guess it was worth it to be a 'hero'. Hope he has deep pockets.
If he would have shot the guy inside the waffle house, I can see it being justified...no way in this case.
Guns make people stupid.
LisaL
(44,980 posts)Again, this is TX.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Yes this is Texas, he might find himself in civil court...but it was worth it no doubt.
LisaL
(44,980 posts)You must be discussing some other case.
Rex
(65,616 posts)another case?
LisaL
(44,980 posts)"felt like it."
Rex
(65,616 posts)If you cannot see that, then I dunno what to tell you. He might be in trouble, if that bothers you personally then that is the way it is.
Have you never heard of frivolous lawsuits? Sometimes they actually win.
Somebody points an AK-47 at you after just having committed armed robbery is more then enough justification to act in self defense. But your concern for the criminal is both predictable and telling.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and had not killed anyone.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,062 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Now he could be liable in civil court. Stupid.
Crepuscular
(1,057 posts)......yet.
The fact that he had not shot anybody up until that point provides zero evidence that he may not have shot the next person he encountered, which potentially could have been the guy who shot him's wife.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)He lucky he wasn't shredded because of his stupid actions, assuming the robber's weapon was even loaded.
hack89
(39,171 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)TwilightZone
(25,508 posts)stretched further in TX than pretty much anywhere else in the country.
tblue37
(65,503 posts)If he is on life support, to say he "is recovering in the hospital" is a bit of a stretch. Why not just say he remains hospitalized?
LisaL
(44,980 posts)So he could be recovering (at least in theory).
tblue37
(65,503 posts)does after the description of his being on life support after being shot several times. Such jarring contrasts are like big smudges on a window--they distract the reader from the story.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Why I dont travel to or thru TX.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)Night Watchman
(743 posts)I can hear the NRA now!
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)Well done citizen!