Democrats pile on Bernie Sanders over "bulls***" Donald Trump debate

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By Reena Flores CBS News May 27, 2016, 11:34 AM
Democrats pile on Bernie Sanders over "bulls***" Donald Trump debate



Bernie Sanders' openness to debate Donald Trump ahead of California's primary -- an idea first floated during a "Jimmy Kimmel Live" interview with the presumptive GOP nominee Wednesday -- has some Democratic lawmakers fuming.

Sen. Joe Manchin, D-West Virginia, told Politico Thursday that the possibility of a debate was "bulls***."

"That confirms what we've been saying," Manchin told the news site. "Why would you expect Bernie should be considerate or be nice or be working to bring everyone together? Why? He's not a Democrat."

California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, whose state holds its primary on June 7, posited that the debate was a publicity ploy.

"What he's trying to do," Feinstein told Politico, "is bring attention to himself."...............

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrats-pile-on-bernie-sanders-over-bulls-donald-trump-debate/

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Glad to see these Dem Senators speaking out.

[Silver_Witch]

1. The whole thing was just bullshit

And you beating it like a dead horse is the just silly.

[scscholar]

35. This. It was a trick, and...

Bernie fell for it.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

48. Fell for what?

He called Trump's bluff and Trump showed he's a fucking coward and a quitter.

This only makes Trump look bad which is good for Hillary come fall.

[billhicks76]

72. I Know...The Arguments Here Are About As Dense As Any Republican One Ive Ever Seen

As a lifelong Democrat its embarrassing to be associated with such unintelligent,smug remarks. Sanders rolled Trump and made him look like the coward Michael Moore claimed he was. Saying he got played just shows bias clouds one's judgement. And if the debate did happen Bernie would've debated Trump about Trump and NOT drawn Hillary into it. One must really miss what he's all about to not see that. It would've helped Clinton tearing apart Trump if she ended up being the nominee. And anyone complaining he is really an independent is also being stubbornly stupid because if he ran as one Clinton could never even come close to winning and Trump could but not necessarily win. These purported Democrats said Stop Bush...Clinton didn't stop him remember? She enabled him and voted for the Iraq War. And on top of it Hillary and Bill have been called "honorary Bush family members" numerous times by different members of the Bush family. And no Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, Obama etc don't get that gratuitous title. One should really ask themselves who is really on our side and look deep within past all the superficial labels.

[Mira]

49. It was not a trick, IMO, it fell out of the mouth

of the Donald while in the hands of a good interviewer, and then he had to follow up on it

[anotherproletariat]

87. Just goes to show that this whole extended campaign is about his ego.

and nothing else. His message has been heard (as well as the fact that he has no workable plan to accomplish his message), so that is not an excuse for prolonging the divisiveness.

[w4rma]

2. These neoliberal New Democrats are verifying to many independent voters, why Republicans could be

correct about Democratic corruption. They are 'proving' to independents that the Democratic leadership is just as corrupt as the Republican leadership, that Trump just beat.

[NNadir]

52. As a lifelong Democrat, I personally despise being lectured by people who can't tell the...

...the difference between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

Such people are useless to their country and to the planet as a whole, petulant children with egos as massive as that reprehensible fool Sanders.

Have a wonderful holiday weekend.

[afertal]

68. One is a billionaire, the other a multi-millionaire.

Whopee! What a country!

[NNadir]

76. Again, to repeat despite the inability of some people to think, if one can't tell the difference...

...between Trump and Clinton, one is a complete and total vapid and immoral fool.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. It's a quagmire

In my opinion, Trump was triangulating and using Bernie,
Bernie was trolling Trump knowing a debate would never happen.

Glad to see Democrats starting to prepare for November

Hillary was wise here to not say a lot, from what I heard

[jalan48]

4. First Hillary, now Trump. Why are they afraid to debate Bernie in California?

[Orrex]

6. No one is afraid of Sanders

Clinton stands to gain nothing from debating him, and Trump has no reason to debate him.

Fear has nothing to do with it.

[jalan48]

13. Has she held a press conference yet about the latest email scandal revelations?

I'm sure she wanted to talk about it at the debate. Afraid? Yes.

[AzDar]

28. VERY afraid. She's going to have to completely avoid ALL but her handpicked Pressbots going forward.

Hard to campaign like that...

[forest444]

31. It's second nature to Ms. Inevitable.

[Orrex]

34. Would it make a difference to you if she did?

If she denies it, you'll say she's lying. If she admits it, you'll say she's dishonest. If she delays her response, you'll say she's hiding something.

[LiberalFighter]

61. Yep! Any response won't be good enough for them.

[raindaddy]

32. Clinton also gains nothing from remaining hidden after being slammed by the State Dept....

Fear has everything to do with it...

[Orrex]

33. Yeah, I'm sure you'll keep telling yourself that

It's a facile and simplistic way to think about it, so knock yourself out.

Also, explain how engaging in a pointless debate would help her.

[raindaddy]

36. She would receive 90 minutes of free air time to explain to millions of Americans

why she would be a better choice than Trump.. While Trump has to sit on the couch tweet his idiotic responses..

It's really a no brainer...


But Hillary's not known for her ability to rise to the moment and make a decision that's not made for her by a committee of advisors...

[Orrex]

38. It seems you've never experienced a political campaign before

Once the path to victory is clear and inevitable (as it's been for some weeks), there is no incentive for the front-runner to debate with the loser. That's been true of every campaign for many decades. The front-runner stands to gain nothing (despite your naive and shallow summary), while the loser can hope to score points while circling the drain.

It would be a straight-up gift to Sanders if she were to debate him, so it's not going to happen.

Rather than complain about the front-runner acting as front-runners always do, why don't you complain about Sanders' utter failure to educate his supporters in the primary requirements of their respective states? His failure to engage in this basic and essential function of the electoral process speaks poorly of his ability to mobilize his supporters in an ultimately significant way.


But I'm tired of arguing bullshit with Sanders' supporters who are doing their best to get Trump elected, so I'm done here.

[Orrex]

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[Orrex]

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[raindaddy]

47. Did you even bother to read my response?

Who gives away 90 minutes of free airtime to attack the opponent in "the general election" that's gaining ground on them?

She's debated Sander's before, predictable stuff. I understand you don't want to hear this but a smart candidate would use the free air time to turn the debate to Trump..

Also she previously agreed to debate Sanders in CA.. So we're just adding to the long list of reasons why only 37% of the public thinks she's trustworthy...

As far as Sanders campaign.. He's a 74 year old Independent Socialist who stepped into the Dem party and took the race to a establishment Democratic party icon and took her all the way to the convention... It's Hillary who limps into the general with a pending FBI report and the worst negatives than any Democratic candidate for president in recorded history...

If Trump wins it's all on Hillary...

[JDPriestly]

75. She agreed to a rnia debate and is breaking her promise.

[JDPriestly]

73. Is the only test for. Anything whether Hillary eill gain from it?

Many of us prefer Bernie.

Hillary agreed to a debate in California. Many of us in California counted on it.

But Hillary chickened out.

She knows that if she debated, the subject of the e-mails would come up.

She chickened out.

[olddad56]

78. Bernie debates the idiot, he wins Ca.

too many people hate Hillary.

[pandr32]

83. Plain simple truth!

Bernie is done like yesterday's dinner. Hillary will clinch the nomination possibly even before California. Pretty soon the SS will be pulled off Bernie and Jane because we taxpayers should not foot the bill for someone who will not be the nominee. It is over.

[polly7]

7. Because he would blow either one of them out of the water, and California is

coming up. Too risky for both, especially with the prospect of certain questions being asked.

[LeFleur1]

46. Everyone in the world has heard Bernie's "speech".

He doesn't debate. He doesn't tell his plans. He just says his memorized speech and wags his finger. and interrupts. No one but his diehard supporters, his wife, and himself want to hear it again.

[polly7]

56. Really??

I've seen so many of his videos, many of the different speeches he's given and am always amazed at how in tune he is with the problems not just in the U.S., but all over the world. He's honest, empathetic and REAL to all those thousands - sometimes tens of thousands who line up to hear him speak time after time. If he had a single, boring stump speech they wouldn't bother - they could just watch it on YouTube or Facebook.

Speaking of finger wagging - better look elsewhere, too. And of course he has to finally 'interrupt'/try to claim some of his time when his debate opponent is fucking stealing it all.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

64. He's had six debates to blow Clinton out

And he hasn't been able to

[tandot]

27. No one wants to debate the loser?

[Orrex]

45. ^That

[La Lioness Priyanka]

63. Because it's not their job to elevate his profile

[NNadir]

77. It's not fear. It's a sensible unwillingness to lower one's stature by "debating" a loser who...

...happens to also be a fool.

[pmorlan1]

5. Shame on you Bernie

for thinking that you are supposed to try win your campaign. Don't you know that you're just supposed to be Hillary's prop to help her get to her coronation. Now fix her tilted crown and hold her robes.

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. Heel, Bernie.

Don't you know your place?

[840high]

24. Bernie is a predator

[left-of-center2012]

9. Keep trashing Bernie

That'll help bring us all together for the fall campaign --- NOT!

[NNadir]

79. I think it's pretty clear that there is no interest in "bringing us together" on the part of one...

sub party in this party.

There is a set who are unable to relax their ego enough to do the only moral and ethical thing to do in this election, and that's to fight Trump.

There is only one candidate who will win the election, and if delusional people cannot get this through there heads, they need to just get out of the way.

We are now at the point where doing nothing is doing harm. And whining that we have credit this tiresome fool is probably less than nothing.

Enjoy the holiday weekend.

[coco77]

10. Manchin has a lot of nerve...

to say Bernie isn't a Democrat with his Fox loving republicon behind he is the very definition of republicon and he isn't republicon lite he is stone cold republicon he and Slannity have been doing tag team against President Obama.

Feinstein is another republiCon if these two were in my state they would never get my vote,never,ever,ever,ever when ever something comes up where we need a vote by a Democrat Manchin runs over to Fox to get his advice..

[Chakab]

18. Apparently, a "real Democrat" is one gets elected by shitting all over the sitting Democratic

President and repudiating the positions held by vast majorities of registered Democrats on pretty much every important policy.

...and people around here think that Sanders and his supporters are the problem with the party?

Laughable.

[Gore1FL]

11. Trump walks into a gaffe of his own making.

Let's make the story line about how awful Bernie is!

Totally logical.

[TwilightZone]

12. Well, it did what it was supposed to do - get attention.

Too bad it was nothing more than a stunt from the beginning.

[Chakab]

14. I don't understand why they would be mad about Trump being forced into a position where he

has to directly address policy in a one-on-one format with somebody who isn't going to be affected by his childish bullshit.

It would be a fucking gift for Hillary.


But hey, who am I to lecture these geniuses in the party establishment about smart electoral politics? It's not like they consistently run candidates who lose to the know-nothing, mouth-breathers that the Republicans have become more and more comfortable nominating.

Oh wait...

[Gore1FL]

25. They are in "Attack Bernie" mode.

Since Trump is an enemy of Bernie, they apparently consider him the good guy in this story, despite the facts. The same thing happened here with the Debbie Wasserman-Schultz articles. They don;t care she is awful, they just care that she hates Bernie.

It's Twilight Zone at DU.

[ReRe]

89. Trump's camp pulled him back...

... because he's flunking all of his tutoring?

The man is bat-shite crazy. Certifiable. Can you imagine trying to teach that man anything? It would be a teacher's worst nightmare 7th grade punk.

[cloudythescribbler]

15. Are the Democrats TRYING to lose in Nov? Why keep alienating Sanderistas?????nt

[Cassiopeia]

17. Why are so many Dem's working so hard to alienate so many.

I've been a Dem my entire life.

I'm so turned off by the party right now I honestly don't know how I'll be voting in November. I never thought I would be able to say that.

[Kall]

20. All hail Joe Manchin.

The guy who shot Obama's cap-and-trade bill (with a gun) in a TV ad. With "Democrats" like these...

[GoneFishin]

21. How dare Bernie try to promote his policy positions? Doesn't he know when he has been cheated

fair and square? Heel Bernie, Heel.

[Android3.14]

22. Why do so many Hillary supporters want to suppress the democratic process?

All these wimpy politicians trying to curry favor and poison democracy.
Reminds me of Wormtongue.

[OnyxCollie]

23. Bulls*** "Democrats." nt

[bkkyosemite]

26. The media blackout that was initiated by the DNC and the MSM caused many of the public

to not get to know Bernie Sanders. A debate would have brought his agenda front and center. I think it was an excellent idea.

[truebluegreen]

29. Joe Manchin and DiFi.

I thought you said, "Democrats".

Bernie may not get the nomination, but he's coming for the Party.

p.s. they--and you--don't get that Drumpf looks like the coward he is, and the flip-flopper, over this?

[BlueStater]

30. The irony of that little shitwad Manchin calling Sanders "not a Democrat" is unreal.

He's pretty much Joe Lieberman 2.0.

[blackspade]

44. Manchin is also on record saying that he could 'work' with Trump.

These knuckleheads would rather have Trump than Sanders.

[Pharaoh]

37. Oh and buy the way

Fuck you the horse you rode in on and The DNC..................

[okieinpain]

41. As much as I like bernie, he's really getting on my nerves.

If everyone loves him so much why doesn't he have the votes.

The other ptoblem i have with bernie is all the threatening shit makes me say fuck it. I would rather see trump as president then be threatened by bernie supporters about not voting. They are not the only ones that can talk shit about not voting again.

[Geronimoe]

42. Bernie made Trump look like a chicken

and the Democrats are upset?

[blackspade]

43. The Democratic establishment is so fucking stupid.

This gave them a perfect opportunity to go after Trump, but no....
Instead the Democratic establishment used the opportunity to trash the left of the Party.
Manchin and Feinstein? Both authoritarian DINOS.
Bravo fucksticks.

[jane123]

50. How very convenient not to mention the

democrats in the article that support the debate....

[TomCADem]

51. I Can Understand Accepting The Offer. But Agreeing To Pay Money to Trump? That's BS

That is when it got absurd. He should have backed off the moment Trump starting putting a multi-million price tag that seemed to increase by the minute. Instead, Bernie started bending over backwards trying to get networks to host the debate and soliciting outside groups like TYT to contribute to Trump's monetary demands.

The fact that Trump was pledging the money to charity just added insult to injury, because Trump could still claim a write off, and Trump would use it to grand stand that he supported women's health issues the way he did with veterans. Instead of looking like a serious candidate, Bernie resembled a contestant on the Apprentice.

[PoliticAverse]

53. Sad to see so many clueless people in the Democratic Party even.

Trump bluffed.
Trump's bluff was called.

[Roy Rolling]

54. "Democrats speaking out"

Quoting DINOs who say Sanders isn't a Democrat is what those "experienced" Clinton supporters say fires them up?

They don't get it. Sanders is not a Democrat like THEM. Some people are sick of the Democratic Party leadership and organization. Some people think the national party leadership is the cause of their own troubles that they blame Sanders for.

When Barbara Boxer whined she "feared for her life" at a Nevada convention, it was a pathetic display of victimhood from people trying to convince us they are invincible.

[Omaha Steve]

55. Well Hillary said no debate with Bernie

Nobody to blame...

[Lordquinton]

57. The guy running for president is trying to draw attention to himself?

Say it ain't so!

[MisterP]

58. oh no! not Manchin and Feinstein! what ever would the party do without them!

[modestybl]

59. Trump just joined HRC in the coward corner...

What a pile of bullcrap... this is why HRC will LOSE to Trump if she is the nominee.n The more open, public debate there is, the better for the public. The worse it is for charlatans like HRC...

[elleng]

60. What fools, complaining about Senator Sanders' openness to debate.

Sounds like a bunch of self-centered infants.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

62. It was a cheap trick that didn't work out

[ThinkCritically]

66. SO... It's okay for Hillary Clinton to pivot to the general election and deny debates with Sanders..

but it's not okay that he accepts a debate against Trump? Hypocrisy much? Last time I checked, neither were the nominee yet. So where's the outrage about her pivoting? (let the lame excuses commence)

[Skwmom]

67. The corporate media anti-Bernie drum is consistent.

[NNadir]

80. The media made Sanders. They love him. It's the only way that such an incompetent could...

...have gotten this far.

[Chicago1980]

69. Sigh... The first 15 seconds...

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I mean really?

Can't we please?

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[4bucksagallon]

70. I would love to see that debate take place and no it's not bullshat.....

Bernie would shred him like a flag in an F5 tornado.

[JDPriestly]

71. Cdianne Feinstein is hardly a real Democrat herself.

And if Hillary had kept her promise to debate bernie in California, the Trump debate would not have come up.

Bernie is loved in California.

What more can I say.

[jfern]

84. Yup, Feinstein is terrible

Her husband profited big time from her vote for the Iraq war. And she only became SF mayor because one of her allies on the Board of Supervisors murdered the mayor.

[Jack Rabbit]

74. Do I really want Joe Manchin or Dianne Feinstein telling me who is and isn't a Democrat?

Bernie is twice the Democrat than both of those neoliberals put together.

[DonCoquixote]

81. have you considered

That Bernie helped Hillary, as Don is shown running from the current number two Democratic candidate? The line writes itself "Hey Donnie? If you ran from Bernie, how can you handle Hillary?"

[jfern]

82. Trump and Hillary are both too chicken to follow through on their promise to debate Bernie

[Lodestar]

85. Yeah and Hillary Clinton didn't exactly turn down Mark Cuban's bid for VP

'nuff said'

[Lancero]

86. Sad state of affairs to see Democrats lashing out over a willingness to debate a Republican.

Why are they outraged over a Democrat wanting to show the diffrences between the party that stands for the people and the party that stands for the corporations?

You'd think we'd be APPLAUDING those who are willing to call Trump on his shit and who are willing to stand up to him.

Did Bernie get played? Maybe. I doubt that Trump was serious about his debate offer, but at the same time he didn't expect anyone to call him on it.

And, of course, when called on it he agrees only to give himself time to do what he does best - Come up with a statement that directs attention away from himself and puts it to others.

Hilariously, all of those Democrats attacking Sanders over being 'played' by Trump are doing EXACTLY what he wants.

Enjoy marching to Trumps tune. And be weary for the example - That we SHOULDN'T be calling Republicans on their bullshit - you're setting for future Democrats.

Trump didn't set out to play Bernie like people are implying, but he was certainly willing to scapegoat him to cover his own ass.

[DrBulldog]

88. "Democrats pile on" - They are NOT "Democrats". They are neo-Republicans a.k.a. HILLARY SUPPORTERS.

And America is getting DAMN SICK OF THEM!