Sanders: 'Do Not Moan To Me About Hillary Clinton's Problems'

[Purveyor]

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Source: The Hill

May 11, 2016, 12:31 pm

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Wednesday rejected the notion that his attacks on rival Hillary Clinton provide fodder to Donald Trump as he pivots toward the general election.

During an interview with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell, Sanders huffed at the idea that Clinton is struggling to stay afloat as she deflects attacks in the primary from Sanders and Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

"Oh, really? Andrea, in every state that we have won, in 19 states, we have had to take on the entire Democratic establishment. We have had to take on senators and governors and mayors and members of Congress, so please do not moan to me about Hillary Clinton's problems," Sanders said.

He continued to say, as he has in the past, that he will "fight for every last vote that we can get."

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279537-sanders-do-not-moan-to-me-about-hillary-clintons-problems

[liberal N proud]

1. He has become the grumpy old man in the room

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Maybe he is just pissed at people trying to bury him before he's dead. I know I would be.

[liberal N proud]

4. He is sure helping along with is raised voice and interruptions

[matt819]

14. Ah, the old "raised voice" accusation

The raised voice thing is so 2004: Howard Dean.

Grumpy old man: John McCain.

Surely you can do better than that. Or, better yet, don't even try.

[liberal N proud]

17. Look where Howard Dean and John McCain are

They lost their bids to become President.

[cali]

33. Tough for you that Bernie will now have a major voice

His donor list and ten million voters make that a certainty.

[liberal N proud]

73. What does that even mean - tough for you?

[IamMab]

91. Tough for you that it's 9.5 million, not 10M, and also that 9.5M is less than 12.5M nt

[coffeeAM]

111. 10,000 of Sanders supporters are more influential then 12.5 million of hers.

[liberal N proud]

117. Is that how that math works?

New Math!

[IamMab]

127. Well, 12.5 million Clinton supporters (so far) won her the Dem primary.

"Influential"

[George II]

148. Up over 13 million now, 3 million more than her opponent.

[Buzz cook]

119. Will he have a major voice?

I think he's frittering away his chance to have a major voice at the convention.

He has a lot of power now, but as Clinton gets closer and closer to locking the nomination that power dissolves.

Certainly he and his delegates will have a voice at the convention. But their voice will not be near as loud as the millions Clinton will save by not having to contest the nomination.

Just by stopping his campaign Sanders gives Clinton a multi million dollar campaign contribution. That type of money inspires gratitude.

[Scootaloo]

173. Well first off, you're backwards

By staying in the race, Bernie collects more pledged delegates. This translates directly into influence at the convention. Were Sanders to drop out now, that would cut into that influence. Which is, I strongly suspect, exactly why clinton supporters are demanding he do so.

Second, you illustrate very nicely a big problem that Sanders supporters have been pointing out, and which Clinton supporters exemplify - the corrupting power of money in politics. You are arguing that your candidate's favor can be bought, literally bought, with an exchange of money. You further argue as if wealth is the only critical factor in Democratic politics, that the only important thing is preserving and expanding Clinton's bank account.

[reACTIONary]

221. The reality is that . ...

..... it takes money to run in the general and money to run in the primary, and any money saved in the primary goes to winning the general. Sanders is depriving the Democratic nominee of much need funds for the general election by running a dead end, vain-glorious campaign.

[Scootaloo]

224. The reality is that votes win elections.

Maybe instead of trying to pad your candidate's already very full bank account, you ought to be trying to pad her voter numbers for the general.

Pro tip - don't demand money and talk like money is the only important thing. That polls poorly.

[reACTIONary]

228. Im definitely not a pro....

... a pro is someone who gets paid for her efforts. And pros are needed to run a winning campaign. So the money is important. And at this point sanders is wasting our resources . .. money, time, and effort.... that would now be better applied by the Democrat nominee against her republican opponent.

And for what? What is to be gained?

[puffy socks]

93. They just refuse to learn from the mistakes of others.

oh well? What can you do?

[JDPriestly]

157. Andrea Mitchell was insulting and has a conflict of interest.

Andrea Mitchell's husband, Alan Greenspan, was appointed by Clinton to the Fed.

Andrea Mitchell should not be trying to put Bernie down. We like Bernie the way he is.

He is a moral man, unlike the corrupt Clintons.

[emsimon33]

209. Trump appears to be doing very well with his raised voice

Perhaps, it takes a raised voice to get attention when the press and the elite in your status quo Party and many state parties are trying to silence you.

[snort]

15. I wish old

and haggard Hillary wasn't so shrill. It hurts my ears. She needs to tone it down.

[liberal N proud]

25. You are hillarious

But keep trying!

[tom_kelly]

34. She's looking every bit of 78 years too. n/t

[notadmblnd]

24. Did you notice the foaming at the mouth

and the people with pitchforks standing behind him calling names and making babies cry?

I mean really, hyperbole much? Why bother interviewing him if MSNBC only wants their talking heads to speak?

[passiveporcupine]

151. Some see an angry old man

All I saw was Andrea whining for Hillary and I wanted to know if she served cheese and crackers with that.

[notadmblnd]

161. That's all I saw too

Andrea trying to get her talking point out that Senator Sanders is hurting Hillary.

Hillary is hurting Hillary, no one else is.

[LibDemAlways]

186. it isn't Bernie's job to coddle Hillary. I like hiw he

stands up for himself. Hillary's a big girl. She can fend for herself.

[tk2kewl]

50. shouting...

wanna talk about condescending too?

[Plucketeer]

95. Ah yes! The "raised voice" problem

Izzat anything like the "shrill voice" baloney???

[liberal N proud]

98. Not quite following you there

[Plucketeer]

110. Not surprised here

[BillZBubb]

116. Yep, no surprise.

[passiveporcupine]

143. I think you sound like the grumpy old man in the room.

just sayin

[liberal N proud]

145. If I were, and I am not, I am not running for office

[passiveporcupine]

152. So should we be thankful for that?

[liberal N proud]

156. Probably

[rhett o rick]

49. Did you notice that he got his reply posted 1 min after the OP posted. That's not easy to do.

But the Clinton side seems to do it quite often making me wonder if they have a special tool to do that. I wonder why it's so important.

[liberal N proud]

65. THIS IS JUST TOO FUNNY

[rhett o rick]

72. I think it's sad that these tactics are more important to some than helping the 2.5 million homeless

children. But some seem to really like the wealthy. Envy I guess, or maybe they want to be liked badly. I have to break it but the Oligarchy doesn't give a crap about those that blindly follow.

[Kingofalldems]

113. I would ask you to please delete that.

It's really nonsense.

[rhett o rick]

132. Really, and now "nonsense" is forbidden? And you get to decide? Isn't that a bit audacious?

[Kingofalldems]

144. I don't forbid anything.

The post is ridiculous though. Leave the damn thing up then.

[George II]

154. Actually I think the Sanders campaign has a special tool.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

129. It's the Monsanto conspiracy card that Skinner issues that allows it to happen.

I guess you didn't get one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7823234

[bvar22]

167. 1 minute is the maximum amount of time it took to post the response.

The reality is that it was probably less....even much less.
Certainly not enough time to read the post, or watch the video.

I don't believe there is a special tool that can do this.
For someone to do this regularly, they have to sit on the GD: Primary menu page, and constantly hit refresh until a post that looks pro-Bernie is posted, then immediately respond with a prepared non-sequitur one liner insult, and quickly hit post.

This does not require any special tool, but anyone who does this may qualify as one.

[Tarc]

193. Lol, "special tool"

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

80. Indeed

Get off his lawn Andrea

[merrily]

3. Grumpy old man is ageist and misandryist. We are supposed not allowed to make

similar comments about Hillary--who, just for the record, is six years younger than Sanders and looks a lot less healthy than he does.

If we say anything negative about her behavior, it's supposedly sexist, but you can make a comment like that? .

[LiberalArkie]

38. I feel kind of ageist and misanthropist at times. At 68, I should would like to be able to vote for

someone good who is younger than me. Please Gen Xers and Yers and Millennials, get into politics so we have someone to vote for.

Edit: What happened to our thing of "don't vote for anyone over 30" geez.

[reACTIONary]

223. That's don't TRUST ..

.... anyone over 30. You don't have to trust someone to vote for 'em.

[hamsterjill]

101. See post #15.

Attacks like this on EITHER candidate are disgusting to me.

One cannot help one's age. Bernie is as old as he is, and Hillary is as old as she is.

I don't like body shaming either.

[cwydro]

179. My mom is about to turn 90.

Last night watching CNN, she turned to me and said, "what an angry old man he is."

I had to agree.

[peace13]

18. Yes, defending oneself is being grumpy.

Being a woman who has to defend her record is 'being attacked'. Such double standards. What Bernie said is solid. And here he is defending himself against the press as well. Hillary has money flowing in and the press defending her and now they ask him to stand down to make her life easier. As Bernie said, they are all candidates and need to speak for themselves! They all have a place in this race!

[liberal N proud]

22. I thought this was about BS

Not Hillary.

[libdem4life]

37. Guess you failed to listen to the video. It was ALL about Hillary and her

hurt feelings. Last I heard this is still a Primary, regardless how inconvenient that may be.

Not ONE WORD about how she's done this to herself. Right up to an including that, um, Foundation.

[Qutzupalotl]

168. If liberal N proud had watched the video,

he/she wouldn't have been able to dis the OP with post 1. Priorities.

[libdem4life]

202. That was my take, as well. The knee jerk put down.

[Plucketeer]

107. LOL, LNP

I would much rather have a snarling, snapping watchdog than one that plays dead at someone elses command. If Hill can handle those 3AM phone calls, she ought to easily be able to deal with a guy who uses HER OWN words to show her phoniness!

[liberal N proud]

109. I don't think she is worried about the grumpy old man

[Plucketeer]

141. You mean, Bill?

[liberal N proud]

142. Nice try

[Duval]

216. LOL!

A good one, Plucketeer!

[brush]

46. He's starting to get irritating, and helping Trump while he's at it. He's lost and . . .

and still persists.

He knows he's way behind in delegates and it's laughable that super delegates will switch to him so his comment, "Don't tell me about Hillary Clinton's problems" shows he's all about himself, and shows him to be mean-spirited as well.

He's used the Dem party to run and now that he's lost doesn't want to fold it up and join the rest of the party in fighting Trump.

[rhett o rick]

55. So you have no faith that Hillary can't win against Trump by herself? Not surprised

as we've been telling you that for a long time. Demanding we quit the race before the end and "join" you in supporting someone that supports the very principles we are fighting is audacious.

[liberal N proud]

62. Stop tying to turn what other say into your lies

[brush]

69. Weak. Sanders is delaying the fight against Trump who is already in . . .

general election mode.

The entire Dem party should join in the fight against a repug winning the presidency.

It's starting to look like Sanders cares nothing about that, only about his Quixotic run, of which he has no chance, btw.

You have to know that.

[Matt_in_STL]

78. John McCain moved to GE mode in March 2008

Hillary stuck around into June. I'm sure you were plenty upset and clutched all your pearls over that behavior.

[brush]

86. Not a McCain fan but he was not a racist, anti-immigrant, woman hating fool.

We need all hands on deck to fight Trump.

He's already in general election mode and we're still battling each other, even though Sanders has no chance of winning the nomination.

[liberal N proud]

90. Exactly

And the BS supporters are completely lost on that. Or are they?

[Matt_in_STL]

114. So then Trump should be easier to beat and not need as much lead time

You are telling me that Hillary needs more time to beat a horrible person like Trump than Obama needed to beat the seemingly more sensible and easier to vote for John McCain. That says a lot about your views on Hillary and her ability to campaign. Trump is a walking advertisement against himself and you think Hillary needs an additional month and a half over what Obama got on McCain in 2008.

Perhaps she isn't the right candidate if that's the case.

[liberal N proud]

120. The point

[brush]

123. She's beating Sanders, so she's stronger than Sanders. Doesn't take a rocket . . .

scientist to get that.

And btw, you should maybe do some research on Sanders' Marxist, Trotskyite, Sandinista praising background.

He wouldn't be such a strong candidate by the time the repugs get through with running ads 24/7 with that stuff.

[Matt_in_STL]

125. And there's the red baiting. Congrats, McCarthy.

You just made everything else typed with your stubby little sausages inconsequential.

[brush]

128. You really think the repugs wouldn't go there?

Take your head out of the sand.

[Matt_in_STL]

131. I do think they would but I wouldn't expect it from a "Democrat" who will need Bernie in the Senate

You do realize he has pushed Democratic principles and voted with the Democrats consistently, right? But you are right, I do expect that Republicans would go there. See post #128.

[brush]

160. I'm a Dem who puts nothing past repugs. My pointing it out is just alerting . . .

his supporters who may not be aware of what the repugs had in store for him.

You seem knowledgeable so I'm sure you already knew this.

[Matt_in_STL]

164. You honestly think you are the first person to be a red-baiter on this site this cycle?

You are way behind the curve on that one and not nearly as prolific as some of your fellow Hillary supporters. Your game needs work but I am sure you will get there.

[brush]

169. I don't think you know what red baiting actually means

It consists of making a false and/or groundless accusation that some person has Trotskyite or Marxist ties, etc.

In Sanders' case it is not false so I was not red baiting.

And no I don't think I'm the first but when Sanders supporters claim Clinton will be such a weak candidate against Trump, it needs to be pointed out that he has substantial baggage in his background that will come out.

And if the repugs do bring this out, it won't be red baiting either since it would be true.

[frylock]

187. Sanders has Marxist and Trotskyite ties?

Can you point them out, Sen McCarthy?

[brush]

195. Here you go. All you had to do was google them

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/02/bernie_sanders_radical_past_would_haunt_him_in_a_general_election.html

The following is a pull quote from the article:

"Sanders served as an elector for the Socialist Workers Party, which was founded on the principles of Leon Trotsky."


There are several other links too.

This stuff can't be a secret to you. It's not to the repugs.

[frylock]

203. Nobody under 40 gives a shit.

Anybody over 40 needs to get over the Cold War.

[brush]

205. Newsflash: People over 40 are the ones who vote the heaviest

Come on, you can't do better than that?

That's why Sanders is losing with all the millennial support. They don't vote that much.

[frylock]

207. And they're idiots if they're dwelling on the Cold War.

Fucking. Idiots.

[brush]

213. You don't have a very good memory of past campaign attack ads do you?

The repugs could use that material and Koch million and make it so shocking because it's not known by many Sanders supporters or other dems, not to mention repugs and indies. Running 24/7 they would make Sanders the worst boogey man to come along ever.

The anti-Dukakis "Willie Horton", anti-Goldwater "Daisy" and the anti-Kerry "swift boat" attack ads would look like a day in the park compared to what they would do to Sanders.

It won't happen though because Sanders won't get the nomination.

I hope he continues his movement though and helps get dems elected in 2018, because he sure isn't helping any in 2016 with all the millions his campaign brags constantly about raising.

[frylock]

215. Here's your ad.

[brush]

220. Nice try. But think what they would do with Marxist and Trotskyite images and . . .

Hammers and sickles, Kremlin parades with trucked missiles rolling past, a voice over intoning about Sanders honeymoon in Moscow, and the socialist workers party association, the Sandinista/Nicaraugua/Castro/Cuban praise — oh they would go town with that stuff scare the shit out of everyone away from Sanders.

So don't think he's made of teflon. That stuff would stick.

[frylock]

226. I'm sure everyone at the assisted living facility will buy it.

[bvar22]

174. And you believe they have LESS "in store" for Hillary?

The Republicans have branded EVERY Democratic candidate since FDR as a "Socialist", and they will do it to Hillary too.
I stopped worrying about "What will the Republicans do?" a long time ago.

Republicans are going to be Republicans,
and say do what Republicans say and do.
They are predictable.
Neither you nor Hillary can stop that.
Get used to it.
Its what they do.

Instead. PLAN for it.

[brush]

175. They've been attacking her for 25 years. She's still standing strong and beating Sanders

[frylock]

188. So then what's the fucking problem?

She's withstood 25 years of attacks from Republicans, but a few short months of Sanders' campaign is what's going to finally topple her?

[bvar22]

208. Its not about hurting Hillary's feelings.

It IS about convincing the American voters that she is dishonest and untrustworthy, and as you know, her negatives in this area are already sky high.

Your 25 year argument have some merit had Hillary stopped giving them more ammunition every time she opens her mouth.......but, sadly, she hasn't.

[JDPriestly]

162. He isn't just fighting Hillary. He is fighting machine politics.

Hillary is an awful candidate. She doesn't have any new ideas. There really isn't much to her candidacy other than her machine.

[KPN]

230. And Hillary's been irritating since ... geesh

at least 1999 when she bought a home in New York state.

[jtuck004]

48. Running against a candidate who leaves a wake of parents in prison and hungry kid behind, I could

care less about her problems too.

You are mistaking grouchy for just being annoyed by people who live their life as if they are privileged.

Not grouchy, just don't give a flying rat's ass.

[rhett o rick]

57. Clinton supports Prisons For Profits for a couple of reasons. They directly fund

her campaign and personal wealth but also the Capitalists love the cheap prison labor (read slave labor) and it helps drive down wages. And she is all about low wages ala her keeping the min wage substantially below a living wage. The corporations love her.

[liberal N proud]

102. If your going to make those claims you should back them up with some evidence

Link?

[rhett o rick]

137. I need a link to show that Prisons For Profits are thriving and they are supporting Clinton's

campaign? LOL. And here's what Black Lives Matters thinks about Hillary:

by Black Lives Matter Activist Ashley Williams:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

Full prisons make profits for Prisons For Profits who in turn show their appreciation to the Clintons via cash.

[liberal N proud]

140. Why not post the link to that

Without the link, how do I know that you didn't put it together?

It is just about integrity of the attack you want to make against the presumptive nominee.

[questionseverything]

206. no link should be required for common knowledge

the sun will rise tomorrow and i don't feel that needs a link either

[liberal N proud]

212. Common knowledge or common rhetoric

Rhetoric only believed by Bernie's supporters and right wing pundits?

Can't back it up, I don't believe it.

[liberal N proud]

59. Now you are just making shit up

Nothing to back it up

[jtuck004]

108. II hear you saying you think I don't care. Is that right? n/t

[liberal N proud]

115. ??????

[silvershadow]

60. Really? I thought he sounded spot-on. The media has colluded to make his candidacy

invisible, yet he's killing it, and every time he gets on TV they ask him about either Hillary or Trump. That grumpy old man thing is just another meme, in a campaign full of memes.

[rhett o rick]

67. If fighting to end poverty is grumpy, put me down. What do you call those that support raising

corp profits at the expense of the poor? Clinton followers?

Congrats on getting the number one response. Someone will be very proud. Do you guys have a special tool for doing that?

[liberal N proud]

70. This must be a BS conspiracy thing - speical tool

[ronnykmarshall]

139. Oh my god!

Don't let them know about "The Special Tool"!!!!!!!!

That rates up there with LogoGate ... you know the secret code in Hillary's logo that was the 1st stick up asses last year.

[frylock]

189. It's called an F5 key and a sad, lonely life.

That's the special tool that the utilize.

[MADem]

85. If anyone's going to do any moaning, it's him!

[bjo59]

121. Oh boy. Grumpy old man. Just listen to yourself.

[liberal N proud]

124. Ah, Yeah OK

Nope, still sounds about right.

[Ned Flanders]

146. Spare us the Hillary talking points about Bernie being old and cantankerous

Just as bad as misogyny.

[liberal N proud]

147. I don't know about you, but I don't use talking points

I make up my own mind!

[Scootaloo]

176. ...

[Carolina]

177. Speaking truth to

a media shill who's in the tank for HRC does not = grumpy old man

If HRC can't take the heat, too bad. Meanwhile, Mrs. Greenspan can stick it

[Akicita]

181. Your remark is a classic example of agism. And sexist too.

[liberal N proud]

218. Sexist? Lol

As far as the age thing, being of the silver crowd, I don't see it as agism either.

[CoffeeCat]

5. Bernie is still in this race is because Clinton has not been strong enough to knock him out

She's a very weak candidate and she hasn't earned enough pledged delegates to boot Bernie out.

She needs 2383 pledged delegates to win the nomination.

She hasn't been able to do that.

Bernie is right. That's not his problem.

[ashtonelijah]

16. You must think Obama was really weak, then. She's still in because Bernie lacks her grace.

Hillary was 300,000 votes ahead of Barack Obama in 2008, and only a few dozen pledged delegates behind, when she conceded to him in 2008.

Bernie Sanders is 3 million votes and 287 delegates behind Hillary Clinton, and he's vowing a contested convention. In 2008, Hillary, in the name of unity and out of love for her country, conceded (when she had a far better argument for a contested convention than Bernie will ever have), rallied her supporters around Barack Obama, and even nominated him from the convention floor.

And in that place where she stood and demonstrated what grace and patriotism look like, Bernie will stand there yelling and demanding that Superdelegates overturn the will of the voters.

How nasty and selfish.

[CoffeeCat]

39. You can drone on and on all you want

2383 is the number. PERIOD.

You get 2383 in pledged delegates and you become the nominee.

We have that number for a reason. We need a strong nominee. If the nominee is strong, they'll reach 2838 before the convention. If not, the race continues. To the convention, possibly.

The Supers can get Clinton to that number--but only at the Convention.

We'll see what happens.

[global1]

40. Hillary's Loss In WV Was Of Her Own Doing....

as it was her statement on coal (her mouth) that got her in trouble. Then she showed herself again - how she says what she thinks people want to hear - when she tried to recover from her first statement.

She's her own worst enemy. She shot herself in the foot in WV.

No need for any complicated analysis here. This is the kind of thing that will propel Trump into the WH unless the establishment Dems realize that perhaps Bernie is best positioned to beat Trump in the GE.

She's a flawed candidate that has too many skeletons in her closet - real or RW contrived - it doesn't matter. This loss of hers in WV didn't happen because of any RW attack or FBI investigation or a Bernie Sanders still in the race. She did it all on her own.

At the beginning of this primary process she marched through the South very soundly. She should have won WV as well as it is part of that South - but she lost very soundly instead. Sorry here folks - she beat herself. That's the hard cold reality.

I want a Dem in the WH in 2017 in the worse way. How can we make that happen? We need to get it together. We need to make it happen - be it Hillary, Bernie or someone else - the Dems need to stop Trump now because the Repugs are circling the wagons and coming together.

These Repug talks that are coming up are to figure out how the Repug Party will deal with Trump to allow him to be the mouthpiece - the figurehead - in order to feed his ego as that's what he's really seeking. They - the establishment Repugs - are set out to wrestle away the real control of this country from Trump and work in the background.

[peace13]

42. Nasty and selfish....someone is but we may not agree on who.

[Human101948]

43. Poor, poor Hillary fans upset and cranky because she hasn't been crowned

Taking her "rightful place" on the throne of the Clinton-Bush Dynasty!



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[angrychair]

83. You are being very disingenuous

While she was close, by the time she dropped out, ALL OF THE PRIMARY AND CAUCUSES WERE OVER and PBO had already flipped the SuperDelegates he needed from her side. She truly had no path forward at that point.
It had nothing to do with being "gracious" or "honorable". It was honestly and truly over.

Since we still have primary and caucus contest ongoing, this contest is not over. It really is that simple.

[yallerdawg]

36. We don't have special rules for Hillary.

She needs 2,383 delegates to win the nomination, just like Bernie.

She - and no one - is required to have 2,383 pledged delegates.

[CoffeeCat]

41. Right. But the Superdelegates don't count and won't officially vote

until the Convention.

[yallerdawg]

52. Neither do the pledged delegates.

It is just plain silly to rationalize what votes count - regarding just Hillary.

Why exactly do we have primaries? To determine no one can win?

[leftofcool]

149. And they won't be switching support to Bernie.

[asuhornets]

53. "She's a very weak candidate"

But she winning though...

[IamMab]

92. Again, if she's weak, then what does that make Bernie, who is losing to her?

Worse than weak?

[Gary 50]

159. "If she is weak, what does that make Bernie?"

A miracle? Fighting the entire Democratic party establishment and the media and still winning 19 states so far. Polling much stronger against Drumpf than Hillary who may very well lose to the short fingered vulgarian. Is that weak? Seems nearly superhuman to me.

[frylock]

191. They honestly believe the playing field is level.

[IamMab]

198. The Democratic Primary is set up with proportional delegates to prevent "sweeps" like folks are

suddenly demanding Clinton deliver. She's following the same path Obama did on his way to his successful election.

It just sticks in the craw of certain voters that their candidate didn't attract broad support and failed to win a majority of votes in this democracy they claim to love but secretly despise because they lose all the time.

[frylock]

190. I'm guessing you don't follow sports.

Familiarize yourself with the concept of the underdog.

[NewImproved Deal]

6. Hillary is responsible for most of her own problems...

Let's hope that killing the Democratic Party isn't among them.

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[Cryptoad]

20. Thanks for

propagating the RWNJ attacks!

[KPN]

31. You know better than that!

Downright disingenuous.

[840high]

44. Words I'll never hear from

a Clinton supporter - "She brought most of this on herself."

[Cryptoad]

54. NBC said more REpublicans voted for Bern in WV

than Democrats. it making more and more sense as it goes along!

[MADem]

97. A third of Bernie voters in WVa were Republicans trying to game the process, they will vote TRUMP in

the general.

This isn't conspiracy theorizing, either--it's exit polling.


Since Trump has the nomination sewed up, they're mischief-making. They want Trump going up against the weaker candidate, and they've said as much.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-supporters-boost-bernie-sanders-west-virginia-n571791

A third of those who voted in West Virginia's Democratic primary say they plan to back Trump in November, according to NBC News exit polls. Sanders won those voters by a wide margin.

[Scootaloo]

184. Of course. All of Clinton's problems are "Right wing nutob attacks"

It's been that way for both her and Bill's entire combined political careers. Whenever something goes wrong for them, it's someone else's fault. Whenever they face criticism, it's a conspiracy, or the critic is bad and evil. They bear no responsibility for any wrong done under their offices. They bear no responsibility for their own words, their own actions, or their own decisions. Every failing related to the Clintons is always, always due to someone else infringing upon their perfection.

Gosh.

I can see why you support them. Absolute perfection in all areas must be hard to beat. And they're such victims, these flawless beings who want only to share their paradisical utopia with the rest of us, but eternally stymied by low-bred non-thinkers and jealous rivals!

[frylock]

192. Herp derp RWNJ derp.

[840high]

30. Heehee

[liberal N proud]

106. More of the same right wing style rhetoric

Nothing concrete to offer though, just the rhetoric

[snort]

7. WAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!

But but but, Hillaryyyyyyy. Poor thing has to compete for the Presidency. Mean old grumpy Bernie not nice!

[DrBulldog]

8. Bernie is a ROCK. He will never suffer media B.S., especailly from a Hillary zombie.

[merrily]

9. Mitchell's conflicts of interest when the Clintons and others are involved are so

strong she not be allowed to do this--and certainly not without at least making a disclosure of her conflicts. I have no respect for this kind of "journalist' whatsoever.

[thereismore]

10. Love that chuckle at 1:28. Heh! Jesus, Andrea is complaining now?? Wait until GE! Stupid! Stupid!

Oh so stupid it HURTS!

[Autumn]

11. I love that Bernie has come to his senses when it come to Hillary.

You would think most of these people have never seen a campaign between two candidate before. Or that trump is the only politician smart enough to use what is said about a candidate in the primary against a GE candidate. Think about that 3 AM phone call and then whine some more.

[ciaobaby]

12. OMG - let me get a tissue

Poor Hillary. that's all I can say without risking being called sexist !
Bernie is campaigning. Andrea couldn't be more transparent. Wonder how Andrea felt when Hillary's peeps went after Bernie's civil rights record - maybe that was OK because .... well I really don't know why that was OK.
Bernie is 100% correct on this one.

[Cryptoad]

13. I guess Bern has the

green light now to start using man-baby's term "lying Crooked Hillary".
Selfish is all u can use 2 describe Bern now. He is only hurting himself and looking more and more foolish!

[KPN]

27. Hahaha. Selfish!!?? What irony!

[retrowire]

29. This interview shows that Hillary is weak

And Bernie is strong.

The media asking Bernie if he could lay off because he's making it harder for Hillary? Lmao poor thing am I right?!

She wants to be President of the United States and can't take the heat of the primaries?

Trump doesn't need anyone's help either when it comes to slurring and smearing opponents. He'll make shit up and use truths. Use them both simultaneously enough and people can't tell the difference.

Poor Hillary. Can't handle the Bern. It's too hot! How the fuck would she handle Trump if Bernie is too much?

[thereismore]

19. "Do not moan to me" I love it love it. She sighs such a heavy sigh. Giv'em hell, Bernie! I am happy

to help with my $$.

[peace13]

35. But yea for Andrea she gets back up on it and beats it like a dead horse!

But it's so hard on Hillary..... let me play you this! Andrea is earning every nickel the hard way!

[Akicita]

225. Andrea has been moaning about any criticism of the Clintons for many, many years. She's a shill for

them. Always has been.

[pengu]

21. Good for Bernie

He should fight for every vote he can get. He should fight for every policy concession he can get.

[KPN]

23. You tell em Bernie!

A man who speaks with honesty and courage. A man who dares to speak the truth.

[tk2kewl]

26. poor Hillary... always the victim

[evillemike2009]

217. I think yer right, and...

Mrs Greenspan's EP forces her to talk with Bernie - she hates that - and so suddenly every question is about Hillary.
MSNBC sux.

[truthisfreedom]

28. hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Go Bernie! Give 'em hell!

[TxGrandpa]

32. Poor Hillary!!!! Why is everyone picking on her?

[drokhole]

45. Excellent live fact-check deconstruction of that incredibly false premise. And not just...

...the Democratic establishment, but the leviathan that is the establishment mainstream media. Exhibit: A. Mitchell.

[djean111]

47. It is so obvious that Bernie was only meant to be a Clinton "accessory".

This bullshit about Hillary already being "vetted" - yeah, okay, it does not make the baggage more palatable. Who cares, really, how Hillary feels about, copying Obama's little shoulder brushing thing - it is what voters who are hearing things for the very first time think of the baggage that is important. Not Hillary's feelings. Oh, and her stint as SOS was not vetted.

[mac56]

51. I often use the abbreviation IOKIARDI.

It's OK If A Republican Does It.

May be time for a new one. IOKIACDI.

It's OK If A Clinton Does It.

[xocet]

66. How true! Speaking to Wall Street for vast amounts of money...IOKIACDI! n/t

[FlatBaroque]

56. Left unsaid: "Be thankful, Andrea, that I took it easy on you. Ask your husband about

the beatings I gave HIM!"

[Purveyor]

138. +1 Thanks for posting. eom

[raindaddy]

58. Andrea Mitchell wife of Wall Street shill Alan Greenspan trying to suggest Sanders ...

is somehow responsible interrupting Hillary's coronation...

Maybe she's still seething over Bernie ripping her husband a new one during a House Committee on Financial Services hearing.

[FlatBaroque]

68. the dude behind Bernie has been my hero for years.

Wonder where he is, probably laying on a beach somewhere basking in the glow of having been right behind Bernie as he took down Mr. Andrea Mitchell.

[raindaddy]

171. Me too. The Look on his face is priceless. He was us sitting there...l

And it was a collective look reflected back to us as Bernie metaphorically took Greenbacks over his knee and gave him a public spanking.

[stopbush]

63. Don't whine to us about the super delegates.

Time to go away. Wait, that was last month. Still time to go away.

[mac56]

74. Yeah, Bernie, that's right.

For God's sake, quit now before you win any more primaries.

[stopbush]

75. He can win all the primaries he wants, he will never have enough delegates to win the nomination.

Delegate math - an inconvenient truth for the Sanders crowd.

His "wins" now are actually meaningless.

[mac56]

79. Keep telling yourself that.

[leftofcool]

150. It is a fact!

[stopbush]

178. No, that's what the voters are telling you.

Ds don't want Sanders. They don't want him in the millions.

And Sanders' CA primary director quit today. That says something.

[mac56]

196. The resignation proves absolutely nothing.

On the other hand, proving absolutely nothing is what your team excels at.

[stopbush]

210. Er, the proof is in the votes Hillary is getting and the delegates she's winning.

Just as the proof is in the votes Sanders is NOT getting and the delegates he is NOT winning.

Enjoy your day!

[Fla Dem]

118. HRC has won 26 primaries to BS's 20. She has 12,647,581 votes to BS's 9,570,415 votes.

That 56% to BS's 43%.

HRC has won 1,717 pledge delegates to BS's 1437.

She has 501 unpledged delegates to BS's 41.

HRC has a total of 2218 delegates to the 2383 needed for the nomination.

HRC is winning in every facet of the primary process.

There is no path for BS to win the nomination mathematically or otherwise..

But by all means stay in the race.

[frylock]

201. It just makes him look bad by continuing to win primaries.

Don't ask me how.

[JPnoodleman]

64. Bernie isn't obligated to help Hillary's campaign...

If she can't stand up to criticism she should go back to the Goldman Sachs boardroom.

[mac56]

76. Um, really?

[glowing]

77. Let me guess, she shows a clip of Trump talking about Clinton...

Doing exactly what she claims she isn't...

[Sunlei]

81. Good for him.Enough media questions trying to create drama & tabloid-type crap out of our elections.

[bbgrunt]

82. I love the clarity of his understanding of the press motivations. GO BERNIE!

[Throd]

84. What is the return policy on her crown?

Will she have to eat the deposit?

[desmiller]

87. "Do not moan to me about Hillary's problems." Thank you, Bernie

Hillary's a big girl. Let her handle her own problems.

[matt819]

88. Sheesh

If Clinton supporters are so confident of their candidate, why do they feel the need to bash Sanders. After all, Hillary's a lock, isn't she?

But, no, they can't seem to stop. Bash Sanders. Grumpy old man. Loud. Interrupts. Old hippie, how sweet. Now go away and let our candidate be annointed. That was her plan in 2008 with that AA whippersnapper. Who did Obama think he was, anyway? Gotta fight that one to the end, regardless of how it turns out. I guess what's OK for Hillary, and for the Clintons generally, is all that matters and applies only to Hillary.

And if we said the same things about Hillary - old (after all, 69 is not much younger than 74), loud, scolding, contemptuous - we'd be accused of being sexist, misogynist, downright rude.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't wait for the convention to be behind us.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

89. Every interview with Bernie is about him dropping out to help Hillary.

[felix_numinous]

94. K&R This country has too much work to do

facing climate change, corruption, social challenges requires someone who can inspire the whole country to get right to work on our infrastructure, and will not invest in stupid wars.

We do not have the LUXURY to spend our attention, money or time on people with so much personal baggage. The oceans are literally dying and forests up North in Canada are on fire, it is simply INSANITY to vote for someone who has such a poor record in dealing with crises--and who cannot even manage a secure email account, it's time to get real.

[disillusioned73]

96. CORPORATE MEDIA CAN SUCK IT!!!

""Oh, really? Andrea, in every state that we have won, in 19 states, we have had to take on the entire Democratic establishment. We have had to take on senators and governors and mayors and members of Congress, so please do not moan to me about Hillary Clinton's problems," Sanders said. "


Well said, good sir....

[COLGATE4]

133. ^^^^ THIS ^^^^

[frylock]

204. 30% and shrinking.

Bravo.

[elfin]

100. He only became a Democrat to run as a last gasp to push his main issue

The conversation has served the nation well, but he refuses to acknowledge mathematical realities.

He is determined to make as much noise and trouble as he can, and now getting nasty after a kinder, gentler, issues only beginning.

He does not care about the Democratic Party. He is a relentless and charged up independent, regardless of consequences.

I started out a big fan, now even tho I am not a strong Clinton supporter, I want him to cease and desist and still push the issue without turning the convention into shambles and giving the Repugs even more ammo for their already voluminous oppo books.

[liberal N proud]

103. He is an insurgent candidate

[coffeeAM]

104. We are with ya Bernie!

[jalan48]

105. She's moaning her way to the White House.

How long before Bernie becomes part of her "Vast, right wing conspiracy?"

[George II]

112. Right, he's got enough problems of his own, starting with almost 1,500 pages of questionable...

...or impermissible, or even illegal campaign contributions he's accepted.

[pmorlan1]

122. Bernie Telling the Truth Like Always

Only a lazy hack would use Clinton campaign talking points in an interview. She made a fool of herself on this one and got her ass handed to her for it. Good.

Bernie was spot on. Poor, poor Hillary having to take it from Trump and Bernie at the same time. Two against one - no fair. Bernie was correct to point out the obvious that he has been taking heat from the entire Democratic establishment and from the media shills for hill since he started this campaign.

I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell.

Harry S Truman

[CrowCityDem]

126. He sure moans a lot about his own problems.

[mhatrw]

130. Somebody call Clinton

[azmom]

134. Bernie is a fearless warrior for the 99%

That's why I admire and support him.

[NuclearDem]

135. Just go away, Bernie.

[closeupready]

136. Love that man! K&R

[JDPriestly]

153. Hillary, Take Truman's advice: If it is too hot in the kitchen, get out!

Sanders has been so soft on Hillary.

I would like everyone to remember that Andrea Mitchell's husband, Alan Greenspan was appointed to the Fed by Clinton and that Andrea has a conflict of interest when she talks about Hillary. She and her husband owe the Clintons a lot.

[closeupready]

199. Condemning "conflict of interest" = demanding ponies/unicorns/rainbows.

In Hillary's world.

[madokie]

155. Don't forget to follow up with this questioning of Greenspan by Sanders.

[2cannan]

172. Thank you for posting. If only Greenspan had gotten a clue back then... nt

[mopinko]

158. dont think i have ever seen a politician

so willing to talk back to the media and reject the premiss of their stupid questions.
feel the bern, andrea.

[zentrum]

163. He's right. Blaming him..

…is an HRC tactic to distract from her very real election negatives—untrustability, Wall Street ties etc.

If she struggles against Trump, or loses to him—it'll be framed as Bernie's Fault. It's called "triangulating the blame". Triangulation—it's what the New Democrats do.

[Eleanors38]

165. Yeah? So? nt

[italiangirl]

166. MSNBC

is pro-Trump, pro-Hillary. 24/7. Andrea Mitchell just proved it. Someone who can't read a teleprompter interrogating Bernie. Give me a break! Stick it to her Bernie and hold your ground! She is a disgusting piece of nothing. She shouldn't even have a job.
Bernie all the way to the convention!

[Gregorian]

170. Thank you for standing up for us, Bernie.

This is exactly the kind of educated, and forceful rebuttal this ignorant tv medium has deserved. Stand up to the slimebags.

[Mike Nelson]

180. Well...

...she's going to win, so her "problems" seem minor to Bernie. About the "shouting" - both he and Hillary raise their voices, I've noticed. I think it's probably a public speaking trait.

[wendylaroux]

183. GO BERNIE GO!!!!

screw those haves.

[The Second Stone]

185. Sanders and Clinton have not been attacking each other in the traditional

sense. I agree with Sanders in answer to this question.

[MisterP]

194. 1. run a candidate weak against populism against two populists; 2. say that she's only flagging

against one populist because of the other; 3. repeat

[Akicita]

197. Bernie is exactly correct. Andrea Mitchell is just a Clinton shill.

I remember back in the '90's there was an important Catholic Cardinal or Bishop who died not long after the impeachment and during a time when many in the media were trying to repair Clinton's damaged image It was fairly well known that the Cardinal was appalled by Bill's treatment of women and wanted nothing to do with him. He refused to attend any events where Clinton was going to be present.

The Clinton's attended the funeral along with former presidents and their spouses and there was extensive national news coverage of the funeral. While the Clinton's were being shown sitting in their pew, Andrea out and out lied to her viewers by opining about how much the cardinal respected Clinton and how close a relationship they had. She went on and on. Out right lies to help refurbish Clinton's image.
The Queen of the shills.

And as you can see from this interview, she is still shilling for the Clintons.

[apnu]

200. Not sounding very much like a Democrat, more like a guy trying to take over the party.

For some that will be a revelation, for others something to be reviled. And for that reason, he's going to lose. He's not winning Democrats over, he's trying to take over the party and shove everybody but his people out.

That's not how you win friends and influence people.

His view comes from a stance of combativeness in a time when he should be winning the party over with his ideals and goals. He should be convincing the party that his policies, his goals are their goals too.

It also smells of desperation, because it is desperation. He's losing, he's not losing badly, he's done better than even he expected. that makes the impending loss that much more bitter.

He can stay in as long as he wants, I don't think it will matter much in the end. If the DNC is contested, it will be OK, because Trump is that repulsive I think many independents will come to the Democratic party.

[Akicita]

222. You're right. Doesn't he realize that to be a Democrat he must endorse her coronation, even if he is

running against her. And I suppose he shouldn't be running against her, rather he should be running along side her. After all, we all know that Hillary and Obama or their surrogates never said anything critical about each other in the 2008 campaign. Why, they just wouldn't be Democrats if they had.

[mac56]

211. "She liked it better when you didn't fight back."

[d_legendary1]

214. Its not Bernie's problem if HRC isn't likeable

Those are questions for her to answer. Don't be surprised if she answers with "its a good question, its a fair question...I'll get back to you on that."

[hrsummers]

219. LOLs

I dont want to hear Sanders or Clinton moaning lol

[MFM008]

227. compassionate isnt he?

feel however you want
think whatever you want
but like my 79 year old mother
he blurts out--- whatever.
I believe its the 'get off my lawn syndrome'.
Happens to people that age.

[DawgHouse]

229. Good grief, it's ridiculous to see progressives calling our candidates "old".

This thread needs to die.

[LostOne4Ever]

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