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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:56 PM Apr 2016

Cuba calls Obama visit 'an attack' as Communists defend ideology

Source: Reuters

U.S. President Barack Obama's visit to Communist-led Cuba was an "attack" on its history and culture aimed at misleading a new business class, Foreign Minister Bruno Rodriguez said on Monday, the latest sign of blow-back after the ground-breaking trip last month.

"In this visit, there was a deep attack on our ideas, our history, our culture and our symbols," Rodriguez said at the Communist Party congress.

Cuban leaders have hardened language against the United States since Obama became the first U.S. president to visit the island in 88 years, with Fidel Castro accusing him of sweet-talking the people.

President Raul Castro referred to the United States as "the enemy" in the opening speech of the party congress over the weekend and told Cubans to be alert to U.S. attempts to weaken the revolution.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/cuba-minister-calls-obama-visit-attack-communists-defend-174532222--finance.html



Sounds as if Cuban leadership feels threatened by Obama's modest attempt to normalize the relationship between the two countries.
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Cuba calls Obama visit 'an attack' as Communists defend ideology (Original Post) Zorro Apr 2016 OP
They don't like how well he was received... SkyDaddy7 Apr 2016 #1
That's gratitude for ya mdbl Apr 2016 #2
Isolation works well for authoritarian leaders. Just ask Mr. Kim in NK. pampango Apr 2016 #6
Well put. I think Americans can learn a lot about what political paths must be avoided by studying Baobab Apr 2016 #9
YES! +1000 nt. SkyDaddy7 Apr 2016 #25
The only question GulfCoast66 Apr 2016 #3
wtf? Freakin cold warriors GummyBearz Apr 2016 #4
"Cuba" is an island and can't speak. tabasco Apr 2016 #5
That's called "metonymy." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #12
Accuracy is most important in news journalism tabasco Apr 2016 #13
Variety is the spice of life. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #14
This is a long-established journalistic standard anigbrowl Apr 2016 #16
So, you are claiming that the foreign minister = the government of Cuba = Cuba. tabasco Apr 2016 #18
No, I am not claiming that anigbrowl Apr 2016 #19
The foreign minister called the visit an attack, not "Cuba," tabasco Apr 2016 #20
The FM is speaking as a representative of Cuba's government anigbrowl Apr 2016 #21
You are willfully trying not to understand this. Throd Apr 2016 #22
Just because a figure of speech has a name doesn't mean it is always used correctly, tabasco May 2016 #28
Isn't "English 101" an example of metonymy? mahatmakanejeeves May 2016 #29
Bunch of losers holding onto their power...Maduro is proud! snooper2 Apr 2016 #7
Obama must've stolen the good silverware or something. NobodyHere Apr 2016 #8
And those little bottles of shampoo. Arkana Apr 2016 #24
I give the commies about 5 years before the whole thing collapses. Throd Apr 2016 #10
beware Obama's omnipotent niceness! maxsolomon Apr 2016 #11
They can't justify their hold on power without a boogeyman. NT Adrahil Apr 2016 #15
LOL communists anigbrowl Apr 2016 #17
That's disappointing. I was hoping Cuba would be open to finally mending this stupid feud. Arkana Apr 2016 #23
Not only will we drag your into the 21st century GOLGO 13 Apr 2016 #26
Cubans will eventually follow the path of East Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, etc. FLPanhandle Apr 2016 #27

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
1. They don't like how well he was received...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:47 AM
Apr 2016

by the people & the effect he had! Castro would rather have the Republicans doing their thing it far easier for him to deal with & makes him look like the good guy. He does not know how to handle President Obama's open hand approach.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
6. Isolation works well for authoritarian leaders. Just ask Mr. Kim in NK.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

It's even better for authoritarians when the isolation is imposed by the big bully next door. They can plausibly tell their people that their problems should not be blamed on their own leaders but on the foreign bully. (Mr. Kim can't do this because NK's isolation s self-imposed.)

Authoritarians must begin to worry when the bully relents and appeals directly to their people. If problems persist, people may not blame the foreign bully in the future. That is bad for longevity of continued authoritarian rule.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
9. Well put. I think Americans can learn a lot about what political paths must be avoided by studying
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

dictatorships of all kinds.

An interesting free book I read recently on North Korea and the recent past there -

http://www.reachdc.net/book2/KimJongIlHiddenWar.pdf

Also, the video testimony to the UN COI in 2013 is very interesting and a unique look into North Korea you wont find anywhere else in quite this level of detail.

http://webtv.un.org/search?term=dprk+seoul

http://webtv.un.org/search?term=dprk+tokyo

http://webtv.un.org/search?term=dprk+london

http://webtv.un.org/search?term=dprk+washington

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
3. The only question
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

Is when the defenders of the glorious Cuban Revolution will show up and start explaining to us how opening up to Cuba is a western, corporate plot and that maintaining the boycott is the key to keeping the Revolution pure.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
12. That's called "metonymy."
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

The journalist who wrote that remembers his middle school or high school grammar.

Metonymy

Not to be confused with meronymy or meronomy.

Metonymy is a figure of speech in which a thing or concept is called not by its own name but rather by the name of something associated in meaning with that thing or concept.
....

Examples
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Toponyms: A country's capital city is frequently used as a metonym for the country's government, such as Washington, D.C., in the United States. Similarly, other important places, such as Wall Street, Madison Avenue, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and Detroit are commonly used to refer to the industries that are located there (finance, advertising, high technology, entertainment, and motor vehicles, respectively). Such usage may persist even when the industries in question have moved elsewhere - for example, Fleet Street continues to be used as a metonym for the British national press, though it is no longer located in the physical street of that name.
 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
16. This is a long-established journalistic standard
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:07 PM
Apr 2016

The government of a country is commonly treated as synonymous with the country itself when reporting international news. Any literate person is aware of this and able to distinguish between the two. Maybe it's you who need the help.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
18. So, you are claiming that the foreign minister = the government of Cuba = Cuba.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

Nice standards for accuracy you have there. No, it's not me with the problem. It's me with the high standards of accuracy.

The headline should have read "Cuba foreign minister," not "Cuba."

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
19. No, I am not claiming that
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:41 PM
Apr 2016

I'm claiming that such ambiguities are the norm in newspaper headlines and have been for almost as long as we've had newspapers. The headline isn't supposed to be a complete summary of all the facts in the story, it's meant to get your attention to the story. If you are evaluating headlines for perfect accuracy then you are not fully literate, because metonymy, metaphor and other devices are facts of everyday language use. Yes, it is you with the problem, and I say that as an autistic person who's a natural pedant and is fully aware of the distinction between all the different entities, but who also understands that headlines aim for brevity.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
20. The foreign minister called the visit an attack, not "Cuba,"
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

rendering the headline inaccurate and misleading. Apparently, that's okay with you because of reasons.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
21. The FM is speaking as a representative of Cuba's government
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

It's OK with me because I'm literate and I can infer the reality behind the ambiguous headline. You, apparently, are not and I think you should work on that instead of throwing a tantrum about long-standing linguistic conventions that are perfectly understandable to the vast majority of people.

I'm pretty sure your real name isn't 'tabasco' so by your standards I should be calling you a liar every time you post under it because it's deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Would you like me to apply your standards of headline writing to all your DU posts from now on?

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
28. Just because a figure of speech has a name doesn't mean it is always used correctly,
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:48 AM
May 2016

especially in a journalistic context.

Someone needs to re-take English 101.

But be assuaged that we know that you know the meaning of "metonymy," professor.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
29. Isn't "English 101" an example of metonymy?
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:00 PM
May 2016

Doesn't it represent "introductory courses in English grammar"?

I'm asking for a friend.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
10. I give the commies about 5 years before the whole thing collapses.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:00 PM
Apr 2016

I have always maintained that the best way to get rid of the Castros is to lift the embargo and have the Cubans do it themselves.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
11. beware Obama's omnipotent niceness!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

maybe they'd be happier with Raphael Cruz in the White House, but it's too late: the floodgates are open.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
17. LOL communists
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:09 PM
Apr 2016

If they weren't so fixated on conformity they could have made hay out of this and improved their long-term prospects. If they disliked Obama so much perhaps they should not have admitted him in the first place.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
23. That's disappointing. I was hoping Cuba would be open to finally mending this stupid feud.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:02 PM
Apr 2016

The embargo is bad policy and it should be gone--and the leadership is threatened by the idea of American cultural influence.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
26. Not only will we drag your into the 21st century
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

We have many nice, shiny things to sell you. Regime change without firing a shot

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
27. Cubans will eventually follow the path of East Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, etc.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

Given a free choice, people have not chosen to live in a communist system.


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