Florida man fatally stabs and runs over wife, before shooting their two kids and himself dead

[cigsandcoffee]

Source: Daily Mail UK

A Florida father-of-two stabbed and ran over his estranged wife, shot dead their children before turning the gun on himself in a horrific murder-suicide.

Henry Ramone Brown, 30, had hidden in the trunk of his wife's car which was parked outside a Sanford Chili’s, in Lake Mary, armed with a knife. When Chericia Brown, 31, returned to her car at around 10pm on Sunday, her husband jumped out and stabbed her multiple times, according to police reports.

Brown attempted to hide the seriously injured Chericia by dragging her into the bushes and ran round the building to retrieve his car, Click Orlando report. But two medical professionals, who had been dining at the restaurant, had discovered the victim and were attempting to help her when Brown returned.

The suspect drove round the building and ran over his wife, and the two diners attempting to help her.
All three were rushed to a local hospital where Chericia Brown was pronounced dead.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3545866/Florida-man-hides-trunk-wife-s-car-Chili-s-stabs-runs-shooting-two-kids-dead.html

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No words.

[onehandle]

1. Gun owners should all be subject to annual psychological exams. nt

[katmondoo]

2. A really good idea

[NutmegYankee]

8. In a Fascist alternate reality maybe...

[shenmue]

11. Yeah, just let people shoot whomever they want

[NutmegYankee]

21. People can reduce gun violence without resorting to violating civil and political rights.

Our Government is set up on the concept of Majority Rule, Minority Rights. This means that a legislature cannot pass laws that violate the civil and political rights of a minority, even if the majority wants to do so. Forcing people against their will to be subjected to mental health screening, except upon a judges order when there is probable cause in a legal proceeding, is a violation of those rights. Since the founding document of our government, the Constitution, protects such rights, we refer to the violating law as an unconstitutional law. And it is then challenged in the courts to overturn the law.

While the courts will toss such a law in time, people who propose and pass such evil acts deserves nothing but contempt and scorn.

For an example - See North Carolina.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

33. I say this with no snark but rather to offer counterpoint -

I have to prove my eyes work before I can get a drivers license. And each time I renew I have to prove my eyes and eyewear are fit enough to drive. It's a matter of public safety.

Why can't we enact a law that annually says I must prove my mind is fit enough to own a gun?

I know the standard rebutted is guns -constitution; driving - privilege, but the word "regulated" comes up in that constitutional provision.

Regulated gun ownership is a matter of public safety too.

[NutmegYankee]

36. A mental health evaluation is far more intrusive than a simple "can you read this" eye exam.

A proper evaluation requires a lot of personal questions and intrusions into privacy. The results of such a medical evaluation can also be used to discriminate against a person and when required by law is a public record.

As I pointed out, a regulation or law cannot violate Constitutional rights. Also, the use of regulated in the 2nd Amendment doesn't refer to laws, it refers to preparedness.

[NutmegYankee]

41. Another thing is "Public Safety" has become a refuge for malicious intent.

Gov. McCrory of North Carolina referred to his bill abolishing LGBT protection ordinances and banning them from seeking relief in state courts as a "common sense public safety bill" The excuse of public safety has been used by countless authoritarians to justify curtailments of civil and political rights.

Another example is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII.

[Akicita]

35. Not exactly. The concept is Majority Rules and Minority and Majority Rights. You don't lose your

rights just because you are in the majority. Often times people's rights conflict with each other and it needs to be sorted out through the courts.

[NutmegYankee]

37. The Majority is not at risk of losing those rights in most cases.

If you are hinting at the argument that people lose their right to life through shootings, the act of murder is already a crime. Any killing of another person except in self defense is already illegal and punishable by law.

[Akicita]

40. I'm just saying the Constitution as ammended protects the rights of all Americans, whether they are

in the minority or the majority. For example, women are in the majority but their rights should be protected as much as men.

[NutmegYankee]

42. Ah. I've always seen it written as minority rights.

Probably based on the concept that it is the minority that really needs the protections. But yes, the rights apply to all.

[Akicita]

44. Everbody needs the protections regardless of category.

A straight white woman(majority, majority, majority) who is about to be assaulted by gay black men(minority, minority, minority) has the exact same protections as a gay black man who is about to be assaulted by straight white women. It's called equality under the law.

[crim son]

65. I agree, by repealing the 2nd. n/t

[oneshooter]

67. so start on it.

All I have have heard is talk.

[Journeyman]

3. You'd have to do the same to all owners of knives and drivers of cars . . .

in his twisted mind, he may have shot the children to spare them undue suffering. I'm not keen on guns at all, but I fail to see how a tragedy such as this can be laid exclusively at the altar of the gun worshippers.

[mac56]

4. Since we can't fix everything

we shouldn't try anything.

[Rafale]

5. I think what the gentleman is saying is

That we should realize the behaviors are the issue, not the tools of the criminal. Without knives and guns, the man would have still killed his family.

We have a mental health crisis in this country, which no one seems to want to address. I know of several people right now that I would not trust with a gun, knife, car, fertilizer, various types of farm equipment.

[houston16revival]

17. Mental health crisis

I call them personality boundary problems

Psychologists and DSM-xx are not recognizing these aspects

Is it the internet? TV? Tight economic times?

Internal personality is not strong, it's easily dented and intensely
tied up with external outcomes

These people cannot separate emotions from actions

Their own perspective from that of others

They're neither borderline nor narcissistice per se

But sort of a blend in my mind

[HillareeeHillaraah]

31. Except knives give you a better chance of running away... nt

[shenmue]

12. Because it was a shooting

[sarisataka]

20. Are those the only victims

that matter? Or is it just that the other three are not politically useful?

It seems the perpetrator could easily have killed the children with the knife as well. But then this story would only get about six comments and sink like a stone.

[hack89]

14. Because a ten minute interview with a total stranger is all you need to figure them out.

I am assuming there will strict national standards with all subjectivity removed?

[Rafale]

15. Sounds like a good idea

In addition, lets have an annual driving test too because most of America doesn't know how to drive and it's killing as many people senselessly each year. Not joking about both new requirements. Otherwise me thinks our violent culture really doesn't care about human life despite all the faux tears. Everyone enjoy supporting your next US invasion of another 3rd World hole and weapons sales to dictators. Such hypocrisy in our time, in our land.

[Human101948]

30. Yes, good idea...

I personally know someone who has Parkinson's Disease and cannot walk without assistance yet is still driving--and not because he has to.

[Rafale]

57. You guys

are awesome.

Seriously after living in Germany for many years I really began to understand should how horrible drivers are in the US. We pass out drivers licenses like candy as if it were a right. Most people have no idea what a skid pad is and why it is critical to driver training. People just get a license and never take another test ever again. Most people don't even remember the traffic laws and have no clue about vehicle dynamics except what they see on NASCAR, which is a sure way to get yourself and someone else's family killed on an Interstate.

[Akicita]

43. And yearly swimming tests for those who live near an ocean or lake or have a swimming pool.

The number of unnecessary drownings in this country is horrendous.

[Rafale]

58. Perhaps there should be a test for free speech rights

I believe a compelling case could be made based on some of the ridiculous statements I read and hear during this election cycle.

[Akicita]

60. Nope. That's totalitarian talk. Messing with free speech is off limits in this country.

[Rafale]

64. Yeah, we shall see.

I think it will go something like this: :0)

2016 - Trump will never get elected.
2017 - Hey, President Trump can't do that, can he? That's against the Constitution. Ah, isn't it?
2018 - You watching the Hunger Games tonight? I sure hope my district wins.

Yeah, all of us are on a slippery slope and few people seem to care since being programmed by corporate media.

[Human101948]

61. At least they don't usually take out a bunch of other people...

Man you are really stretching it.

[MynameisBlarney]

18. Annual?

Not nearly often enough.

Quarterly, at least!

[Waldorf]

24. Guess you need to also include knife and vehicle owners, since she was stabbed

and he ran over 3 people.

[onehandle]

25. The gun is the key ingredient.

Cars are transportation.
Knives are tools.
Guns are for killing.

[Waldorf]

29. Guns are tools also. If they were meant for only killing then there would be nobody left in the US,

since so many people possess millions of them.

[Human101948]

32. Yes, handy for hunting and...

certainly for perforating pieces of paper.

[Stryst]

34. What other use?

I own guns, I'm former military and my brother is a police officer (well, highway patrol). Guns are used to kill people and animals. The end. You target shoot? That's practicing your killing. I hunt with my guns; while I own a revolver it's never been loaded during my period of ownership. So I am really interested in what your interpretation of the use of a gun.

[Akicita]

45. Guns are oftentimes used to prevent a killing. Other crimes too.

I would guess if you queried people who owned guns for protection they would tell you that they would much rather use their gun to prevent a killing or other serious crime than to actually kill someone.

[Stryst]

50. A gun doesn't prevent anything

You threatening to use the gun (to kill) stops the crime. The killing power of the weapon is what gives you the ability to prevent something. If you draw down on someone, and you aren't willing to utilize your weapon and injure or kill, all you've done is give a criminal a weapon. If you aren't willing to use a weapon, then it has no power.

[Akicita]

59. Exactly what I said. Guns are USED to prevent a killing. Like a hoe is used to weed the garden.

[Stryst]

70. Do you pack blanks in your sidearm? Or maybe some kind of tranq dart?

Because in the real world, if you fire lead bullets at someone, they often die. And if you kill to prevent ANY NUMBER of deaths, you've still killed. Now, if you're going to argue that the weapon can be used for intimidation, well sure... right up until someone calls your bluff. Then you either hand over your weapon, or you kill.

[Akicita]

76. Real bullets. And I would argue that the gun would be used for intimidation to prevent a serious

crime. If that didn't work then yes the gun may have to be used to maim or kill a bad guy as a last resort. Doesn't change my point that guns can and are used to save lives. Even in the extreme case where it is necessary to kill a bad guy to protect innocent lives it is still used to protect lives.

In this case if an armed bystander had stopped this madman from killing those innocent people he would have used his gun to save lives. Even if he had to kill the madman. And that would have been a good thing.

[Stryst]

82. And that doesn't change my point that the gun

is designed to maim or kill. Sure, killing a potential killer is a good thing. I'm 100% fine with the idea of killing a bad buy to stop him; I just don't lie to myself and tell myself that "No, I didn't kill anyone, that dude killed himself!" That's disillusion. If you own a weapon, and you are not prepared to use it, then don't carry it.

The only power a weapon has is that it can hurt and kill. The "intimidation" you want from a weapon comes from the fact that the wielder can use it to kill the subject of intimidation. That's the bases of that intimidation. If guns tickled, you couldn't get anyone to stop doing anything by pointing one.

[Akicita]

85. Your original point was not that guns are designed to maim or kill. It was that guns are USED to

kill people or animals. The end. And I am refuting your point by pointing out that guns are also USED to save innocent lives, many times without maiming or killing at all.

If I had to pull a gun on a bad guy my purpose would not be to maim or kill them. My purpose would be to stop them from doing what they are doing or about to do. Therefore I USED the gun to stop him, not to maim or kill him. Hopefully without firing a shot.

[Waldorf]

47. Other uses? I can think of several.

A gun is designed to send a projectile outs its barrel at a high rate of speed with accuracy. It's a tool who's use is determined by its owner.

It can be used for self defense of yourself/family.

It can be used for hunting.

it can be used for target shooting/plinking.

It can be used for competitive shooting events.

it can just be collected and sit in a safe for decades to show off.

Unfortunately some people use them to murder other people (which is a crime).

I've only been hunting a couple times but in my 34 yrs. of gun use, I would imagine 99% of that time has been at the range just punching holes in paper.

[Stryst]

51. Killing animals is still killing.

It can be used for self defense of yourself/family.

By killing an intruder.

It can be used for hunting.

Killing animals

it can be used for target shooting/plinking.

It can be used for competitive shooting events.

Practicing your killing

it can just be collected and sit in a safe for decades to show off.

Then why not have breach permanently sealed? Or purchase demilitarized firearms?

[Waldorf]

54. Since 99% percent of my time is punching holes in paper I would say I'm not practicing my killing,

but practicing punching closer holes in paper.

And for a collector, doing what you suggest to a firearm ruins its collection value.

[Stryst]

71. What model gun?

Because I guarantee that the manufacturer designed it to project lead rounds at a high enough velocity to rip flesh and shatter bone. Just because you're playing a game with it doesn't mean that it's designed to do that. You're training yourself to be accurate with a weapon; do you not think that would make you a better killer with it? And please don't think of that as an insult, but as a hunter who hangs out with other hunters, I can tell you that what you're doing is how we practice our killing. You are practicing your killing, you've just never chosen to put that practice into use. If you eat meat, you might want to give it a try. It's a little harder to hit than paper targets, but it tastes better.

[sarisataka]

75. Killers in training?

[Stryst]

83. Learning cross body work

to hold the rifle while it projects a killing slug into a small target at range? Yep, good skill sets. Do you really think that none of those folks hunt? Shooting a deer and shooting a target are similar skill sets, the target is just easier. They're practicing a killing skill, even if they never choose to use it.

[MynameisBlarney]

72. Guns are not tools.

They are weapons.
You build a house with a gun, then you can call it a tool.

[ileus]

38. I suppose knife owners are gtg then...

[oneshooter]

55. As should all car drivers.

[Mika]

6. And I had a post alerted & locked because I mentioned that Fla is a bastion of crazy...

.. because of the sheer numbers of crazy stories that come from the state.

[djean111]

9. Because it is delusional to believe that crossing a state boundary automatically changes

people?

I live in Florida, and I have never met anyone who does stuff like this. On the other hand, I do sincerely hope that those who judge by geographical boundaries, age, and gender just stay away. Please.

[MynameisBlarney]

19. We are quite insane, I'll concede that.

But we pale in comparison to Texas crazy.

[argyl]

69. No, you don't. It's about a 50/50 split.

[MynameisBlarney]

73. Naw...

Texas is so far ahead in that regard, we'll never catch up.
Not for lack of tryin' though.

[csziggy]

7. ‘Fear of further violence does not exist,' report says of man who killed wife, children, self

Yeah, right - as if no abusive husband has ever returned to further attack their wives.

‘Fear of further violence does not exist,' report says of man who killed wife, children, self
SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. —

The Altamonte Springs Police Department responded last December to a report of domestic violence at Crescent Place Condos between Chericia and Henry Ramone Brown.

Chericia Brown, 31, claimed that her husband, Henry Brown, 30, had attacked her and threatened to kill her and their two children, an incident report said.

The responding officer reported that there wasn’t enough evidence to make an arrest, and because Chericia Brown had moved out of the home, authorities didn’t believe that there was a reason to worry about violence in the future.

“Due to the fact that (the victim) will not be returning to the home and has not returned in 48 hours, the fear of further violence does not exist,” the report said.
Much more: http://www.wftv.com/traffic/incidents/westbound-i-4-near-us-17-92-closed-in-volusia-county/223764646

[mrmpa]

10. That reporting Officer.............

needs some remedial training. If this isn't a wake up call, I don't know what one would be.

[csziggy]

16. Yes, he ended up being complicit in three murders, two attempted murders

And a suicide.

If he had charged the husband with attacking his wife last year, maybe four people would still be alive today and two people who were only trying to help would not have been injured.

In some states cases of spousal abuse are mandatory charges and not up to the descretion of the responding officers or the victim. I think this works better - too often the officers only listen to one side, or the victim is either frightened into dropping charges or convinced by someone they once loved to drop the charges.

Charge the abuser, let the system sort it out and hopefully all affected parties will get the help they need whether abuser, victim or the innocent children whose lives are being disrupted.

[houston16revival]

13. Gee

paging Mittens

This is equivalent to self-deportation

What gets into people's minds?

[One_Life_To_Give]

22. What drives a man to do this??

The amount of Hatred it takes to do what this guy did is unimaginable.

[jtuck004]

23. Just as likely to have been great pain, but it's hard for "compassionate" people to see that. n/t

[maxsolomon]

27. As my shrink used to say, "Self-Centered Fear"

The male ego is a fragile thing; "if I can't have you no one will" is a powerful motivator. These men feel their lives are essentially over, and they rationalize this course of action as a way to make others feel the pain they feel.

Then it comes to the kids and they think they're being merciful, saving them from growing up without a mother and father.

Then they kill themselves, which is what they wanted to do all along.

I think there needs to be a chapter in sex ed classes: "Breakups: not a reason to kill the other person".

[Else You Are Mad]

26. How can people do this to others?

My heart breaks for those that were lost and their families.

[Art_from_Ark]

68. I've always wondered that myself

I just can't understand what drives people to commit such vicious acts.

[HockeyMom]

28. Word Association

Sanford, Florida. George Zimmerman.

[Akicita]

52. In this case I wish the wife had been armed like Zimmerman. She might have saved her children.

[Zira]

39. And this is why everyone should have a gun and they should be easier to get

RIP to those beautiful kids and that woman.

[Akicita]

48. The woman or the medics or a passerby may have wished they had gun.They might have at

least been able to save the kids.

[Zira]

49. We don't know that they didn't have a gun.

[Akicita]

53. True. We only know they didn't use one. I wish they had.

[sarisataka]

62. It would take

A pretty big ass gun to stop a car that is running you over...

[Akicita]

63. The wife may have had time to draw her gun as the guy was climbing out of the trunk,

A passerby could have shot the guy while he was stabbing his wife or dragging her to the bushes. The medics may have been able to get a well aimed shot through the windshield before they were hit. Who knows. But any of those would have saved the kids.

I just think any law-abiding and sane woman who was violently beaten by their husband who also threatened to kill her should be able to arm herself for protection. The police sure didn't protect her.

The biggest explosion of hand gun sales have been to women. A woman armed with a gun tends to level the playing field a little with a violent man.

[sarisataka]

66. Perhaps

Or perhaps not.

Having a gun is one thing but having the mindset to actually use it as another. Not everybody has that mindset.

I am all in favor of allowing those who choose to take on the responsibility to carry a firearm however I also realize that it is not the solution for every situation

[Akicita]

77. All true.

[csziggy]

78. Not necessarily - and if they do they can get charged with a crime

Just look at the case of Marissa Alexander:

In May 2012, 31-year-old Marissa Alexander was prosecuted for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and received a mandatory minimum sentence of 20 years in prison. Alexander said that she fired a warning shot after her husband attacked her and threatened to kill her on August 1, 2010, in Jacksonville, Florida.

<SNIP>

Alexander was in the home of her estranged husband Rico Gray, when Alexander stated that Gray threatened to kill her[1] via texts on Alexander's phone. Gray had previously abused Alexander, giving her reason to believe that her life was in danger.[2][3][4][5]

According to Alexander, she tried to escape through the garage, but the garage door would not open.[3] This account was confirmed by Gray in a sworn deposition,[4] although investigators found no problem with the door. According to all accounts, Alexander then retrieved her gun from her vehicle and went to the kitchen. Alexander fired a "warning shot" towards Gray and his children, which hit the wall near Gray at the height of his head, then deflected into the ceiling.[6][7] The single shot did not injure anyone.[8] According to one source, Alexander had fired the warning shot because of Florida's stand-your-ground law, a law that allows self-defense, such as lethal force, in life-threatening situations.

<SNIP>

Alexander, who had no previous criminal record or arrests, sought self-defense immunity prior to trial but was unsuccessful.[4] State Attorney Corey met with the defendant and offered her a three-year plea deal. Asserting that she acted in self-defense within the bounds of the law, Alexander rejected the offer and took her case to trial.[3] A jury convicted her in twelve minutes,[10] and because of the Florida 10-20-Life mandatory minimum statute, she was sentenced to 20 years in prison.[11] Alexander was also requested to stay away from Gray as part of a court order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Alexander_case

Eventually that sentence was overturned, she was re-tried and given time served and probation. Gray, her ex, admitted that he would have beaten her severely or killed her if he could. Alexander was still charged and served time in prison for defending herself. This in a state that let George Zimmerman free for killing a kid who was just walking home!

[Akicita]

79. "This in a state that let George Zimmerman free for killing a kid who was just walking home!"

The ex-husband may have been fixing breakfast for his kids before they got into the fight that ended up with her shooting the gun. So to you would that mean that she shot at a guy who was just fixing breakfast for his kids?

Zimmerman was set free because the jury believed(rightly or wrongly) his story and the evidence that Travon cold cocked him and was beating his head into the sidewalk when Zimmerman shot him. We weren't there so who knows exactly what happened but that is why the jury let him go even though he shouldn't have been following a kid walking through the neighborhood and President Obama's Justice Dept. didn't see it any different following their investigation.

[csziggy]

80. Gray had attacked Alexander before she fired her warning shot

And he admitted that he would have hurt her. He'd hurt other women in his life previously. He also had lied before and convinced his children

5 More Women Accuse Marissa Alexander's Abusive Husband Of Brutal Abuse
By Leslie Salzillo
Friday Oct 17, 2014 · 3:09 AM EST

According to First Coast News, last week, in Jacksonville, Florida, five new witness may turn out to be the best news for Marissa Alexander, and the worst news for her abusive husband, Rico Gray.

In 2010, Marissa Alexander fired a shot into the air, to keep her husband from attacking her. Alexander had just given birth only ten days prior, and testified that Gray was in a jealous fury and threatened her life. In 2012, Marissa Alexander was sentenced to 20 years in prison, for firing that warning shot. She hurt no one. - harming no one.

What's more amazing about this case is, in a sworn deposition, the husband, Rico Gray affirms Marissa's claim and said:

“I was in a rage. "I called her a whore and bitch and .?.?. I told her, you know, I used to always tell her that, if I can’t have you, nobody going to have you. It was not the first time of ever saying it to her."

Ironically, according to Florida's 'Stand You Ground,' Law if Alexander had killed Gray, she would have most likely gone free.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/17/1337149/-5-More-Women-Accuse-Marissa-Alexander-s-Abusive-Husband-Of-Extreme-Brutality

Rico Gray: Serial abuser or maligned victim?
Anne Schindler, First Coast News
4:55 p.m. EDT October 20, 2014

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Defense attorneys for Marissa Alexander say her estranged husband is a serial abuser with a propensity to lie, and they want to introduce evidence of their claims at trial.

Rico Gray took the stand for more than an hour at a pretrial hearing Monday, as Alexander's attorneys tried to persuade Circuit Judge James Daniel to allow testimony about his alleged history of violence against family members.

"Honestly, she just wouldn't shut up, she wouldn't shut up," defense attorney Bruce Zimet read from Gray's prior sworn testimony. "[So I] hit her in the mouth."

Gray explained that sworn statement was "not truthful."

Appearing under subpoena as a hostile witness for the defense, Gray offered scant recollections of events, text messages or domestic disturbances, including an assault case involving his brother, and three incidents involving the mothers of his children. Gray now says he fabricated the abuse to help Alexander, after she was charged with firing a gun at Gray and his two sons in August 2010.
http://legacy.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/crime/2014/10/20/rico-gray-testifies/17626771/

Defense: Alexander's husband has violent history
Anne Schindler, First Coast News 4:53 p.m. EDT October 9, 2014
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The volatile and complicated relationship between Marissa Alexander and the man she is accused of trying to kill in August 2010 was the focus of a lengthy hearing Thursday afternoon.

Among those testifying was a former girlfriend who testified to the abusive instincts of Rico Gray, the man Alexander is accused of trying to kill in August 2010.

The girlfriend, Shartrecia Anderson, testified that Gray is prone to violence and attacked her on two occasions.

"I know what he's capable of. He will attack if he's brought to that point," she told the court.

She also asserted that on at least one occasion, Gray stabbed himself with a fork in order to feign injury to police, and instructed his son to lie to officers in order to back up his version of events.
http://legacy.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/crime/2014/10/09/marissa-alexander-hearing-relationship-details/16986765/

[Akicita]

81. That's my point. It doesn't matter if the ex was fixing breakfast or working on his lawn mower or

whatever he was doing before the fight. What matters is that they got into a fight, he threatened to kill her, she believed him, so she fired a shot.

With Zimmerman, they didn't let him go because he shot a kid who was walking through the neighborhood as you stated. They let him go because they believed that Travon then instigated a fight and was beating Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk when he was shot. Big difference.

[TygrBright]

46. Florida Man's been quite busy lately. n/t

[northernsouthern]

56. F@ck...

...this is f@cked up. I hope the two people that helped live.

[Liberal_in_LA]

74. Ugh