Clinton blasts Sanders on gun control record, ties him to NRA

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Source: Washington Times

Hillary Clinton came out swinging Sunday night on the issue of gun control and tried to tie her presidential primary rival Sen. Bernard Sanders to the gun industry.

At the party’s last primary forum before the Feb. 1 Iowa caucuses, Mrs. Clinton said Mr. Sanders simply doesn’t have credibility on guns.

“He has voted with the NRA, with the gun lobby, numerous times,” she said. “He voted for immunity for gun makers and sellers … There is no industry in America that was given the total pass the gunmakers and gun dealers were, and that needs to be reversed.”



Read more: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/17/hillary-clinton-blasts-bernie-sanders-gun-control-

[earthside]

1. The Washington Times.

What else do you need to know.

[merrily]

17. I need to know if the statements are false.

[7962]

41. THANK you!

SO tire of people immediately writing off a story based on where it was published.
And I'm not writing that as a Sanders supporter
I remember all the major news orgs shunning the John Edwards story simply because it was being brought up by the Enquirer, not because it wasnt true

[merrily]

43. Isn't this just something she said during Sunday's televised debate? Source shaming seems ludicrous

in an instance like that.

I once had someone source shame me over posting a VIDEO.

[7962]

45. Now THATS funny. But sadly not surprising.

Around here if some folks disagree with a point you post, they dont try to refute the post, they attack the source or the fact itself or even you personally.

[merrily]

47. I had seen Biden on Meet the Press. I googled and came up with a video. So I posted it,

without checking the source. The only text was a caption saying it was Joe Biden on Meet the Press. You would have thought I had eaten this poster's last meal.

[7962]

49. Imagine the response if the link was from "Fox"!

[merrily]

50. It wasn't from FOX, but it was from a rightist source. Again, a video and caption to the video

was the entire "article" to which I'd linked.

[merrily]

3. Sanders has no ties to the NRA, so that was more bs.

The first time Sanders ran for Congress, the NRA got furious with his Republican opponent. So, it did a mailing endorsing Sanders. After that, it graded Sanders F every year, until last year, when it graded him D- (as compared with, say, Governor Dean's A grade from the NRA)


That my friends is the entire extent of Sanders "ties" to the NRA.

[JonLeibowitz]

7. Golly, merrily, I think the hillary people are really onto something here!

[merrily]

9. The NRA gave most Vermont officials an A while giving Bernie an F.

It's hilarious: For years on this board, DU's right has been falsely accusing DU's left of being purists. Balancing Bernie's one or two votes on guns that I don't like against many things about Hillary I don't like, including that she voted for every war and surge for which she was eligible to vote, I pick Bernie. But, now, I'm not pure enough for DU's right.

Hard to see their sincerity sometimes.

[scottie55]

29. Hillary Is Anti Gun

Unless they are used on Iraqis who were zero threat to our nation.

Not pretty.

[merrily]

30. In 2008, she was more gun friendly than she is now. Another evolution.

[Herman4747]

40. More precisely, a "triangulation" nt

[global1]

8. What Was Hillary's NRA Grade When She Was In...

the Senate? I don't think I've ever heard that come up?

[JonLeibowitz]

12. F. I guess that makes Bernie a sell-out to the gun lobby.

[merrily]

14. If they both got F grades at that time, why does that make only Bernie a sell out?

Even as a joke?


BTW, Leahy had a C grade--and even that is low for a Vermonter. Most of them get A grades from the NRA, as did Governor Dean. Sanders had an F for years, until he got a D-. Whooptie!

[JonLeibowitz]

16. Because he has a D- now. The NRA can't seem to get his rating straight, clearly Bernie is flip-flopp

[merrily]

19. You have to compare what Bernie got when he and Hillary were voting on the same bills.

[JonLeibowitz]

20. No I agree, merrily. I'm really just trying to have a bit of fun at the pretzels that some put..

put themselves in.

I agree, Hillary is in no way better on guns than Bernie.

[merrily]

23. I am as well. I just get my kicks another way. See also Reply 13. nt

[merrily]

13. She and Sanders both got an F. But, when Hillary ran against Obama, her position on guns softened.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/4/1427635/-Hillary-Clinton-s-2008-position-on-gun-control-wasn-t-what-it-is-now

[JimDandy]

4. The WASHINGTON TIMES... really?

[merrily]

10. Are the statements false?

[swilton]

5. Tieing Sanders to the Gun Lobby

HILLARIous!

[Plucketeer]

18. Indeed!

I know that EVERY TIME I hear of another spate of gun violence - or another senseless child gun death - the FIRST WORDS that come to mind are: That damned Sanders and his super-cozy D- comradeship with the NRA!!!

[Ed Suspicious]

28. She's actin' like Annie Oakley. I'd like to see her in the duck blind with her six shooter.

[kcjohn1]

6. Dean & Current Governor of Vermont

Have A rating from NRA. Most of democrats supporting and campaigning for her probably have better NRA rating.

Why is she not calling those out? Gun advocates should hate Clinton for politicizing this and about not trying to solve problems.

[merrily]

21. Most Vermont officials do. Leahy has a C, which is low for a Vermont politician--except for Bernie!

She is not calling out Dean, Lahey or others because it would be politically inconvenient for her so to do. In 2008, it would have politically inconvenient for her not to call out Obama for being anti-gun. This is not about guiding principles.

[pipoman]

11. It's all she has....a complete lie to sway the ignorant and stupid..

[uhnope]

15. No RW rags like the Moonie Times, please

[Hulk]

22. That is so deceitful

She knows very well that congressmen and women cast votes with "riders", and that was the reason for the votes he cast against holding manufacturers responsible. Such petty, smoke and mirror bull shit. She is desperate.

[PatrynXX]

24. come out swinging on the Safest State in the 50 ?

Swing and a miss....and maybe lost both arms

[Plucketeer]

25. Oh deserved one

has a D- rating with the voting public.

[Ed Suspicious]

26. Good thing reality doesn't, you know, tie him to the NRA.

[PatrickforO]

27. That was pretty disingenuous of Clinton.

Basically, she lied when she said the NRA could count on Bernie for a regular vote. What bullshit.

[Geronimoe]

31. How many gun sales did she approve as Sec of State

I thought she did a really good job in selling weapons overseas to dictators.

[navarth]

34. boom.....

[billhicks76]

32. She Supports Drones

And bombs and spying. She supports police brutality and imprisoning large swaths of the population. Her gun argument is disingenuous. All I see is a liar when she speaks.

[Bernin]

33. It really has become

instinct to think she is lying any time her mouth is moving.

[MrMickeysMom]

35. Bingo!

Not only did she spin/lie/spit up trying to change his "D-" NRA rating into something it was not, she camouflaged her air support (a.k.a. drone) theater in places where we keep pissing ON people after pissing them OFF.

Apparently, it's okay to shoot innocent people if it's managed through gaming. You don't get your hands dirty on THOSE brown people, do you?

[stonecutter357]

38. How do you feel about Lockheed Martin and the f35?

[billhicks76]

36. Her Desperation Will Backfire

She called Obama naive about Iran too. And now she thinks she can pull emotional triggers and win the nomination based on guns? That's naive. People care about income inequality.

[stonecutter357]

37. k&R

[bec]

39. You know

I naively thought telling lies and manipulation was something the "other" party did. I forgot when a Clinton is involved that is thrown out the window ((remembering 2008). What I am most shocked about are the Clinton supporters who, know this B.S. isn't true but still spread it around and act like it is. You pride yourself on being better than the GOP, but yet still support and play dirty politics. I thought we were better than that.

[7962]

42. The only thing she could bring up thats true was his vote against making gun cos. liable.

And his vote against it was the right one. Its stupid to think that any court would allow you to sue Smith & Wesson because they legally sold a gun to someone who ended up breaking a law with it. Just like suing Jack Daniels because a distributor sold a bottle to someone who got drunk and killed someone in an accident.
Stupid & would never hold up in court.
Now if they sold a defective weapon, thats different. Remington has been fighting that one for awhile now

[Vinca]

44. I had never thought about the gun manufacturer thing until Hillary brought it up.

If someone intentionally runs over a person with a car, you don't sue Ford, so why should you sue a gun manufacturer after someone uses their product in a crime? That's pretty much all they disagree on. It occurred to me that Hillary is doing Bernie a favor. Her constant mentioning of this might bring more voters to his side.

[7962]

46. And that is precisely the point. Its a stupid attempt.

Your analogy is a good one; I used a liquor distiller as another. And there are PLENTY of other examples that could be used

[Lizzie Poppet]

48. Thus proving the Wall Street candidate is willing to say anything to get elected.

No matter how patently false...

Step aside, Hillary. Your time was 2008, and you shanked it. An actual liberal candidate is what's needed now, not another Third Way, business-as-usual 1%'er.

[EndElectoral]

51. It's amazing how many others don't see through it. It's transparent.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

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