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tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 02:42 PM Nov 2015

Missouri student files complaint against professor who called for 'muscle'

Source: USA Today

The University of Missouri student who filmed assistant professor Melissa Click call for "muscle" to eject him from a protest site on campus says he has filed a complaint with police alleging simple assault. Mark Schierbecker said that he filed the complaint with campus police late Wednesday and was waiting to hear if they would press charges against Click, an assistant professor in the university's Department of Communication. <snip>

At the end of the video, Schierbecker approaches Click, who calls for "muscle" to remove him from the protest area. She then appears to grab at Schierbecker's camera. The campus has been embroiled in protests over administrators handling of a series of racially-charged incidents on campus. On Monday, the state's university system president Tim Wolfe and Mizzou chancellor R. Bowen Loftin announced their resignations. Under fire, Click resigned her courtesy appointment with the journalism school on Tuesday, but remains an assistant professor at the university. <snip>

Click expressed remorse when she met with journalism faculty on Tuesday night, and said that she not recall pushing Schiebecker as the video shows, said Esther Thorson, associate dean of graduate studies and research at the journalism school.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/11/12/mizzou-student-files-simple-assault-complaint-against-assistant-professor-melissa-click/75640722/



I thought Click had resigned outright, but she remains as an assistant professor at the university.

adding full video for context



(she is shouting at 1:00 re: student-journalist (Tim Tai) and at 7:00 re: student with camera (Mark Schierbecker), and at 9:00 then again at 11:30)




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Missouri student files complaint against professor who called for 'muscle' (Original Post) tomm2thumbs Nov 2015 OP
She resigned her courtesy appointment with the Journalism School Ex Lurker Nov 2015 #1
Her courtesy appointment "resignation" was like paying a fine with Monopoly money. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #5
Students need to demand that she be terminated, released from any and all connections... Heeeeers Johnny Nov 2015 #2
she doesn't have tenure. cab67 Nov 2015 #3
Absolutely no chance of tenure for this faculty member. Laffy Kat Nov 2015 #27
Are you sure? Lionel Mandrake Nov 2015 #28
For ten years I took the minutes at all faculty promotions committee meetings... Laffy Kat Nov 2015 #29
Click is an assistant professor. nsd Nov 2015 #30
at nearly every US university, cab67 Nov 2015 #37
Medical schools are different. a la izquierda Nov 2015 #48
If her title is assistant professor she is on the tenure track alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #31
Not necessarily these days. Laffy Kat Nov 2015 #36
actually, nearly always these days. cab67 Nov 2015 #38
Well alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #40
I've seen cases where multiple clock stops were involved. cab67 Nov 2015 #41
What happens with SJW leave the confines of their desks posting junk in comment sections snooper2 Nov 2015 #4
SJW? for the acronym addled. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #8
Social Justice Warrior. JoeyT Nov 2015 #15
Thanks for that explanation. Makes total sense. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #19
If you feel that way about liberal activists, why are you posting on DU? CreekDog Nov 2015 #26
I Think Elmer Meant the Stormfront Guy Quoted ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #42
Yes, you missed it completely. WHOOSH! Right over your head apparently. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #45
If its any cosolation SE's taken a pizza delivery. He won't be back. marble falls Jul 2016 #49
"it's pretty much ... a derogatory term for anyone that thinks non-whites, women, or LGBT people" Gormy Cuss Nov 2015 #25
Just because somebody posted that doesn't mean it is true, teabaggers can be SJW as well snooper2 Nov 2015 #43
And the urban dictionary is a handy but not definitive reference. n/t Gormy Cuss Nov 2015 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Nov 2015 #46
This woman should be fired... Imajika Nov 2015 #6
you're conflating different issues. alp227 Nov 2015 #23
They have one thing in common loyalsister Nov 2015 #35
She did apologize even to the reporter and he accepted. But likely she needs to apologize more. Sunlei Nov 2015 #7
Tai accepted her apology and wants to move on deutsey Nov 2015 #9
Once a genuine apology was given & accepted, wish we all moved back to the protests main issue. Sunlei Nov 2015 #11
The apology was not accepted by the reporter who was threatened and actually filmed the incident. branford Nov 2015 #12
You get a +1 and a bunch of zeros from me! Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #21
I thought one of the protest's main issues was removing incompetent university employees tabasco Nov 2015 #13
The faculty member in question crossed a serious line. cab67 Nov 2015 #16
Just wondering which university. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #22
midwestern US cab67 Nov 2015 #39
Hopefullly not the University of Wiscosin - Madison. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #44
It seemed like a non-apology apology, IIRC. beevul Nov 2015 #32
No, she should be fired.. Imajika Nov 2015 #10
Amen. romanic Nov 2015 #14
Amen Yupster Nov 2015 #34
She should absolutely be "let go". Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #20
Perhaps she can a have a 'safe space' in a jail cell Freddie Stubbs Nov 2015 #17
but how else will we learn about the meaning of EL James?! MisterP Nov 2015 #18
I's file a suit against the University Munificence Nov 2015 #24
At her next formal or informal performance review, she should be evaluated based on her alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #33

Ex Lurker

(3,813 posts)
1. She resigned her courtesy appointment with the Journalism School
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 02:52 PM
Nov 2015

which the J-school was already in the process of revoking. She remains on the faculty-Communications Department or whatever.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
5. Her courtesy appointment "resignation" was like paying a fine with Monopoly money.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:12 PM
Nov 2015

Except that Monopoly is actually worth something.

Heeeeers Johnny

(423 posts)
2. Students need to demand that she be terminated, released from any and all connections...
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 02:55 PM
Nov 2015

with the university.

Her actions (as well as the students whom prevented anyone from entering the area), are inexcusable and puts the
protest in a bad light.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
3. she doesn't have tenure.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:03 PM
Nov 2015

She's an assistant professor. I don't know when she goes up for tenure, but if I were her, I'd start looking for a new job yesterday.

Some of the students involved in the pushing owe the reporters an apology as well. It's possible they didn't understand the legalities involved, but I would imagine someone's discussed it with them by now.

Laffy Kat

(16,377 posts)
27. Absolutely no chance of tenure for this faculty member.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:24 PM
Nov 2015

Nowadays you have to be on a tenure track to begin with and I can assure you she wasn't, not at her level.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
28. Are you sure?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:35 PM
Nov 2015

At most schools the tenure track starts with the title "assistant professor", whereas non-tenure-track people have other titles, like "lecturer" or "adjunct".

Laffy Kat

(16,377 posts)
29. For ten years I took the minutes at all faculty promotions committee meetings...
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:44 PM
Nov 2015

Tenure reviews, post-tenure reviews, etc., etc. At least in medical schools, faculty appointments begin at: instructor, then assistant professor, then associate professor, then professor. There are teaching tracks, clinical tracks, research tracks. Gone are the days when professor means tenure. Of course, liberal arts & sciences schools may be different, but it sure doesn't sound like she was in any way on her way to tenure to me.

nsd

(2,406 posts)
30. Click is an assistant professor.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:17 PM
Nov 2015

She's not a "research assistant professor" or a "lecturer" or anything like that. It sounds like she definitely had a tenure-track appointment.

But she's been at Missouri so long (five years as an instructor, seven as an assistant professor) that I can't help but wonder whether she's already been denied tenure. Some places (e.g., medical schools) drag things out, but liberals arts departments typically would have made a decision by now.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
37. at nearly every US university,
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:59 AM
Nov 2015

"assistant professor" is the entry level for tenure-track faculty, at least in non-medical departments. With tenure, one becomes associate professor; eventually, one can be promoted to full professor.

I would be shocked to the point of speechlessness if Dr. Click wasn't tenure track.

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
48. Medical schools are different.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 09:46 PM
Nov 2015

I have a friend who is a teaching assistant professor. She will never have the chance for tenure. I, however, am an assistant professor at the same university...just in a different college.
It depends on the rank system in the particular college.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
38. actually, nearly always these days.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:00 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:53 AM - Edit history (1)

Non-tenure-track faculty get different titles - research scientist, lecturer, instructor, professor of practice, etc. Or the word "adjunct" is part of the title.

Maybe it works differently in medical schools?

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
40. Well
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:17 AM
Nov 2015

I'm a tenured professor, and I can at least report that in the vast majority of cases "assistant professor" with no further modification is a tenure track appointment.

Perhaps in medical schools it is different. I wouldn't know.

That said, the one odd thing about Click's CV is that she was appointed as assistant professor in 2008. That means she probably should have gone up for tenure during the 2013-214 academic year. Even if they stopped her clock for some reason and gave her another year, she should have gone up 2014-2015. It's very odd that she hasn't gone up for tenure yet, unless she has, and has already been denied, and is on her grace year. She doesn't have a book, which may be a deal-breaker at Mizzou.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
41. I've seen cases where multiple clock stops were involved.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:54 AM
Nov 2015

So it's possible she hasn't gone up yet, or is going up right now. But I agree - she would normally have gone up by now.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
4. What happens with SJW leave the confines of their desks posting junk in comment sections
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:10 PM
Nov 2015

and enter the real world LOL


JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
15. Social Justice Warrior.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:30 PM
Nov 2015

Originally it came from tumblr and was self-descriptive. They called themselves that. And you could get pretty far down the rabbit hole with them. People that insisted they were dracosexual and anyone that pointed out they didn't have wings and couldn't breathe fire was oppressing them.

Now thanks to 4chan and reddit, it's pretty much come be a derogatory term for anyone that thinks non-whites, women, or LGBT people are human.

Edit: If it gives you any idea what it usually means, the first time I ever heard it was from a mod of /r/greatapes (Stormfront recruiting sub), and when you google it Roosh V is in the first page of results. Roosh V being a dude that encourages rape because women deserve it.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
19. Thanks for that explanation. Makes total sense.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 07:51 PM
Nov 2015

Why can't these people be forcibly admitted to mental institutions?

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
45. Yes, you missed it completely. WHOOSH! Right over your head apparently.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:27 AM
Nov 2015

I wasn't talking about liberal activists.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
25. "it's pretty much ... a derogatory term for anyone that thinks non-whites, women, or LGBT people"
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:02 PM
Nov 2015

And apparently it's acceptable to DUers because that post survived a jury.

The more you know.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
43. Just because somebody posted that doesn't mean it is true, teabaggers can be SJW as well
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:32 AM
Nov 2015

Here is the correct definition-


Thanks to Urban Dictionary

social justice warrior
A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=social+justice+warrior

Response to snooper2 (Reply #4)

Imajika

(4,072 posts)
6. This woman should be fired...
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:15 PM
Nov 2015

I am not sure what has happened to our universities, but political correctness is turning into something akin to totalitarianism.

I remember how illiberal I thought speech codes were when I was at school, now it seems we have descended into whining over micro-aggressions, trigger words, etc.

Once upon a time I thought the term SJW was obnoxious and offensive, now I wonder if some of these people have utterly lost their mind.

We are raising campuses full of crying brats who seem to think they have a right to never have their world view challenged. Heck, they don't even want to hear an opinion that might cause them to have to process a new idea.

alp227

(32,019 posts)
23. you're conflating different issues.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 08:41 PM
Nov 2015

A common right wing trick is to convince people that campus regulations against bigotry based harassment are akin to censoring valuable scholarship.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
35. They have one thing in common
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:16 AM
Nov 2015

Both have been used by people outside of this movement to try to make it about them.

"It's PC to refuse to tolerate my intolerance!"

"Trying to protect people who have been getting death threats from being shoved around by reporters is a threat to MY freedom."

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
7. She did apologize even to the reporter and he accepted. But likely she needs to apologize more.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:16 PM
Nov 2015

Heck of a stupid mistake, to "Forget" an American basic right- "Freedom of the Press"

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
9. Tai accepted her apology and wants to move on
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:24 PM
Nov 2015

Schierbecker, apparently, is not ready to move on and, based on a quote of his I read, is making it his mission to have Click fired and maybe even Basler (the blonde administrator who got up in Tai's face):

Schierbecker said he thought Basler should resign, "and if not, she needs to be removed.

"Click should also go. Even more so," he said. "That's my number one priority at the moment, is making sure she never teaches ever again."


http://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/higher_education/update-mu-director-of-greek-life-put-on-leave-title/article_ba2220fa-88c0-11e5-b76d-773b01f64d04.html

I'm not sure what I think of Schierbecker's motives, but Click and Basler were way out of line in their behavior.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
11. Once a genuine apology was given & accepted, wish we all moved back to the protests main issue.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:45 PM
Nov 2015
 

branford

(4,462 posts)
12. The apology was not accepted by the reporter who was threatened and actually filmed the incident.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:02 PM
Nov 2015

There was more than one reporter during the protest.

We can also focus on more than one thing at a time. We can fight to ensure racial fairness on college campuses and simultaneously demand violent Ph.D communication and journalism professors who are either ignorant of or choose to ignore the First Amendment be promptly terminated.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
13. I thought one of the protest's main issues was removing incompetent university employees
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:17 PM
Nov 2015

The university president apologized but that didn't seem to satisfy the protesters.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
16. The faculty member in question crossed a serious line.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:36 PM
Nov 2015

That she apologized is great. She owed the student/reporters at least that much. But at the time, she tried to take things to a completely unacceptable level. "We need some muscle" can only be interpreted as a request that someone physically remove someone who had every right to be present. That would have constituted assault.

I'm a professor myself. Faculty activism is certainly tolerated by my administration, and can even be encouraged. But we're expected to be adults and comply with the law. If we break it, we're expected to accept whatever consequences may follow.

I'm a lot more forgiving of the students involved in the conflict than I am of someone with a PhD who absolutely should have known better.

Imajika

(4,072 posts)
10. No, she should be fired..
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:30 PM
Nov 2015

Period.

Student protest has and should always be a part of campus life. Many of the best changes across the world have been sparked by young people at universities - but we are getting way beyond that now.

What began as political correctness has now morphed into some quasi totalitarian idea that people have a right to never have their worldview challenged, to never hear an opposing opinion, to believe their mob mentality is more important than freedom of the press.

I hate to say it but the radical left is mostly to blame for this nonsense. It is time actual liberals inform these crybaby students that campus life is not a "safe space" from competing, even objectionable ideas.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
34. Amen
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:05 AM
Nov 2015

She should already have been fired and she should be doing her apologizing to the jury during the sentencing phase of her assault trial.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
20. She should absolutely be "let go".
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 07:54 PM
Nov 2015

She certainly shouldn't be in charge of the Greek Societies (think Animal House and the Mayor's wife).

Munificence

(493 posts)
24. I's file a suit against the University
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 08:52 PM
Nov 2015

then I'd go after her.

And I wonder if she was involved in the original shit stirring that got us here....bet she was.

We've been trying to figure out where the racism and rights violation was coming from, looks like we may just have found it.

The proof is in the pudding.

Edit to add:

Sorry MisterP, I did not mean to respond to you but instead to the OP.





 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
33. At her next formal or informal performance review, she should be evaluated based on her
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:55 PM
Nov 2015

research, teaching, and service record for the review period, according to the ordinary criteria used for other faculty in her department.

Whatever complaints are lodged against her should go through the usual, prescribed channels. If they rise to the level of dismissal for cause according to whatever policies are in place at her institution, she should be given due process.

See, that wasn't hard.

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