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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:35 AM Mar 2015

Religious Right Leader Calls For Mass Civil Disobedience To Fight Gay Marriage

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Source: Right Wing Watch

Liberty Counsel chairman Mat Staver has made anti-gay civil disobedience a recurring theme in his speeches and activism, and the pending marriage cases at the Supreme Court seem to have him on edge. In his column today, “Why A Bad Supreme Court Decision May Require Civil Disobedience,” Staver outlined his goal of bringing together “many thousands of individuals, agencies, charities, churches and schools” to “peacefully refuse to countenance a Supreme Court decision that violates not only our highest legal document, but the laws of Nature and Nature’s God.”

Staver claimed that such anti-gay activists would be following in the footsteps of Martin Luther King Jr. and Europeans who shielded Jews from the Nazi regime, adding that “perhaps we would see our culture step back from the brink of insanity, or perhaps we would suffer in the face of injustice.” Civil disobedience has a long and noble history in Western culture, and we will need a primer on it if, as seems likely, the Supreme Court rules against natural marriage in June.

Of course, civil disobedience is not justified just because we disagree with a human law, but only when that law conflicts with a higher revealed or Natural Law. When he was jailed for violating a law used to stop him from protesting injustice, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., wrote his famous Letter from Birmingham Jail. “A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God,” he argued. “An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law.”

He went on to say: “I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that ‘an unjust law is no law at all.’” erely because a legislature or a judge passes a law or issues an opinion does not make a law just. “To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a dangerous doctrine indeed,” wrote Thomas Jefferson, “and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.”


Read more: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/religious-right-leader-calls-mass-civil-disobedience-fight-gay-marriage

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Religious Right Leader Calls For Mass Civil Disobedience To Fight Gay Marriage (Original Post) big_dog Mar 2015 OP
Now if they _required_ people to get gay-married he'd have a good case! bigworld Mar 2015 #1
Twisted and Spun HassleCat Mar 2015 #8
welcome to du. you probably shouldn't give these whack jobs any ideas--not that they can't come niyad Mar 2015 #15
Time to start taxing churches. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #2
Way past time.. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #3
Which laws specifically do they intend to disobey? starroute Mar 2015 #4
Their belts won't match their shoes and classic rock stations can no longer play Elton John underpants Mar 2015 #10
Belts not matching their shoes? Doesn't the Bible forbid that? starroute Mar 2015 #14
define civ·il dis·o·be·di·ence Sunlei Mar 2015 #5
WOW, this guy like the rest of the RWers' so called "Christians" are delusional. Iliyah Mar 2015 #6
Exactly. Those acts were to create MORE rights not less. underpants Mar 2015 #11
SC very well may destroy ACA and kill tens of thousands of us, but marriage is what these NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #7
YEAH! Keep on fighting for conformity fundies! Crowman1979 Mar 2015 #9
There's something called a life damnedifIknow Mar 2015 #12
They have a life...it involves making everyone else's life miserable. Hoppy Mar 2015 #13
Arrest these Terrorists. SoapBox Mar 2015 #16
I call for mass civil demonstrations heaven05 Mar 2015 #17
Bring it, dude. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #18
I encourage one and all to hit up Google and find out what has happened in the past when the right Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #19
Locking... DonViejo Mar 2015 #20

bigworld

(1,807 posts)
1. Now if they _required_ people to get gay-married he'd have a good case!
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:39 AM
Mar 2015
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
8. Twisted and Spun
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:56 AM
Mar 2015

I'm sure they see it as equivalent. It's pretty easy to stand logic on its head by waving the Bible at people. After all, there are other "abominations" mentioned, along with homosexual activity, and these don't seem to inspire civil disobedience. Or do they plan to boycott every place that serves shrimp and clams? I look forward to seeing protesters gathered outside the local Red Lobster, with signs informing patrons they'll be stoned when they try to leave.

niyad

(113,302 posts)
15. welcome to du. you probably shouldn't give these whack jobs any ideas--not that they can't come
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:23 PM
Mar 2015

up with even crazier stuff than any of us could dream up!

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
2. Time to start taxing churches.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:40 AM
Mar 2015

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
3. Way past time..
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:43 AM
Mar 2015

starroute

(12,977 posts)
4. Which laws specifically do they intend to disobey?
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:48 AM
Mar 2015

If government officials refuse to issue marriage licenses or perform marriages for gay couples, that's not civil disobedience. That's a violation of their oaths. And of course churches are already free to marry or refuse to marry whoever they please.

So what kind of civil disobedience do they see "individuals, agencies, charities, churches and schools" undertaking? Do they want soup kitchens to refuse to feed the poor? Restaurants to refuse to serve any two people who are not of opposite genders? I'm really having trouble coming up with examples here.

Does anyone have a clue to their thinking?

underpants

(182,799 posts)
10. Their belts won't match their shoes and classic rock stations can no longer play Elton John
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:57 AM
Mar 2015

That'll show 'em!!!

starroute

(12,977 posts)
14. Belts not matching their shoes? Doesn't the Bible forbid that?
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:20 PM
Mar 2015

I know it's unbiblical to wear polyester-cotton blends. Surely belt-shoe discordance is just as sinful.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
5. define civ·il dis·o·be·di·ence
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:48 AM
Mar 2015
the refusal to comply with certain laws or to pay taxes and fines, as a peaceful form of political protest.

TALK is cowardly- Go ahead Liberty Counsel chairman Mat Staver , don't pay your taxes and discriminate against people and see where that gets you.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
6. WOW, this guy like the rest of the RWers' so called "Christians" are delusional.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:52 AM
Mar 2015

No way does this remotely compare to MLK, Jr.'s campaign.

Plus, RWers are a violent group of people that carry weapons because it gives them security.

underpants

(182,799 posts)
11. Exactly. Those acts were to create MORE rights not less.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:58 AM
Mar 2015

They are delusional.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
7. SC very well may destroy ACA and kill tens of thousands of us, but marriage is what these
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:52 AM
Mar 2015

typical/mainstream/christians are worried about.

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
9. YEAH! Keep on fighting for conformity fundies!
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 11:57 AM
Mar 2015

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
12. There's something called a life
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:04 PM
Mar 2015

The religious right might want to find one.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
13. They have a life...it involves making everyone else's life miserable.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:18 PM
Mar 2015

It's profitable, too.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
16. Arrest these Terrorists.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:26 PM
Mar 2015

And super ditto to taxing them.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
17. I call for mass civil demonstrations
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:46 PM
Mar 2015

against RW idiots posing as some kind of religious police in charge of the morality of all people not believing in their stories and' decrees.....yeah, yeah, I know, their hypnotism while laying on the couch in god's office made it so they were/are infallible. I know about their place if they lied, added or subtracted anything also...like the GOP, they could care less what god decreed and it is full speed ahead with the agenda to put all citizens under RW control, especially those women and 'others'.......religionists are dangerous people.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
18. Bring it, dude.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:46 PM
Mar 2015

Just be prepared to get that cross you wear stuffed up your butt.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
19. I encourage one and all to hit up Google and find out what has happened in the past when the right
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:51 PM
Mar 2015

wing starts calling for mass protests. They say a million are coming, they get 165 confused people. It's a regular thing for them to suggest massive support they just do not have.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
20. Locking...
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:27 PM
Mar 2015

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